Saturday, 8 March- Total Bull
I drove all the way up here for this?
I am currently sitting on my girlfriend's sofa, watching Fantasia, (which I totally love, by the way) and trying to determine if it was at all worth the trip. She has some sort of virus, (and judging by the level of complaining, it's apparently Ebola) so I'm mostly keeping myself company while she sleeps. I was attempting to get some sleep also, but her new kitten, who I freely admit is cute enough to charm my anger away, urinated on my leg. Needless to say, between being suddenly awakened by such an unpleasant sensation and then having to jump up and change all the bedding, this has put me in a less than charitable mood.
Worst of all is the city itself. Everywhere I go, I see Cubs fans. She lives to the southwest of the city, so you would expect more Sox fans, but no. Nothing but blue jerseys and hats. All her neighbors, the people I see on the street, the cab driver who nearly T-boned me on my way here. All Cubs fans, all smiling, all optimistic. I was wearing a Cards sweatshirt this afternoon, and when I went to pick up our dinner, all of these happy, hopeful Cubs fans wanted only to rag on my team. I have no idea how you Cardinal fans who live up this way handle it. As insufferable as it it dealing with Cubs' fans in an average year, the knowledge that their team is, in all likelihood, leaps and bounds better than our own squad makes the experience very nearly unbearable. I wonder if she would notice if I snuck out in the middle of the night...
Going into Spring Training, the Cardinal bullpen was seen as perhaps the deepest part of the entire team, particularly the right side. That has become even more true as camp has gone on, as pitchers like Jason Motte, Chris Perez, Mike Parisi, and Kyle McClellan have all been extremely impressive so far. Both Parisi and McClellan are being looked at primarily as starters, yes, but could easily fall into more of a swingman type role if needed. I'm sure neither would object to relieving if it meant breaking camp with the big club instead of riding the bus in Memphis. In addition, with Joel Pineiro looking strong in yesterday's start, the starting slots are no longer quite so prevalent.
Tyler Johnson will most likely begin the season on the Disabled List, making the left side of the bullpen a little thinner. So, with all of this in mind, I wanted to take a look at how the relief corps is shaping up this year.
Starting off with the right handers, the following players appear to have spots locked up:
Jason Isringhausen
Russ Springer
Ryan Franklin
At least one of, and possibly both, Todd Wellemeyer and Brad Thompson
From the left side, only Randy Flores appears to have a spot guaranteed to begin the season.
If Reyes wins the 5th starter competition, then most likely Thompson and Wellemeyer end up in the bullpen. Personally, I see this as the most likely outcome. Unfortunately, that doesn't really leave a spot for any of the youngsters in camp, no matter how impressive their performance. The only real opening I see is the one opened up by Johnson's injury. Of course, if Tony chooses to carry a second lefty, we're looking at the other Flores or, most likely, Ron Villone, rather than one of the kids getting a shot.
So here's the conundrum. The Cards have seven spots open in the bullpen. I think the five righties above will all be in pen to begin the season. Randy has a spot. We have one spot left, and quite a few players available to fill it.
Right Handers
Chris Perez
Jason Motte
Kyle McClellan
Mike Parisi
Mark Worrell
Left Handers
Ron Flores
Ron Villone
Jaime Garcia (a long shot, but still a possibility)
Tyler will most likely be on the DL for only around the first month at the most, from what I've been hearing. In addition, Josh Kinney, (remember him?) is expected to go out on either a rehab assignment or extended spring training a week or two after the season begins. He should, barring any further complications, be ready right around the first of May.
So this is the question in front of us. How would you like to see the bullpen constituted to begin the season? What about when Johnson and Kinney return? Who loses their spot? To me, the way the bullpen ends up coming together is going to be just as interesting to watch as the outfield competition, and even more crowded.
Random tidbits:
Derrick Goold has a nice little blurb up about the Cardinals' middle infielders' performances so far in camp, among other things, including some of his own thoughts on the bullpen and a very cool bit about Colby from Cameron Maybin. Needless to say, if this is the level of performance we can expect from Adam 'Sleepy' Kennedy and Cesar 'Event Horizon' Izturis, it's going to be a very, very long year.
Apparently El Sid was pretty impressive in his audition the other day. Don't get me wrong, I don't think there's any way in the world the Cards should consider signing him, but it's good to hear that he's apparently getting himself back at least going in the right direction. Good luck, Sid.
From the shameless free advertisement department: next Saturday, on the 15th of March, Built to Spill is playing at the Pageant. Not baseball related, I know, but I also know that at least some of the people on this board are big music fans and have similar taste to my own, so I thought I would put that out there. They're one of my personal favourites.
From that same department: Federhofer's bakery has hot cross buns for Lent. I don't know if many of you are familiar with Federhofer's, but they're one of the few remaining real old school bakeries left in the city. I've personally been going there since I was about four or five, first with my grandmother, then my mother, and now myself. This is a great, independently owned, local business, and they can always use the support. If you live in the city, you should check it out. They are located at 9005 Gravois Rd., St. Louis 63123. Unfortunately, this is just the kind of business we're running out of, and the kind that we should all be sad to see go. Sorry about this, I try to keep from getting shrill and haranguing with my own social views, but sometimes I just can't help it. Plus, their products are really, really delicious.
I went last weekend with a couple of friends to see Semi Pro. Go and see it. I know it just looks like the same movie Will Ferrell has made quite a bit lately, but that's not entirely true. Don't get me wrong, it has plenty in common with Talladega Nights and it's ilk, but Semi Pro has far more actual depth to it, far more real pathos, to go along with the standard Major League sort of plot. I liked it, and it's definitely worth the price of admission.
One last note: the Cardinals recently brought in a lefthanded knuckleballer named Joe Rogers. I personally love watching knuckleballers, and I don't think I've ever seen a lefthanded one. Needless to say, I want all of your help in e-harassing any and all members of the Cardinals organisation until Mr. Rogers is on the mound in St. Louis. If we can't be good, we can at least be entertaining.
This is the red baron, on special assignment behind enemy lines, signing off. Pray for me. All of you.
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Hang tough, soldier
Anyway. Don't tell your g/f about the puddy tat peeing on your leg. That'll just make her upset. Rest and fluids, blah blah blah.
And every time one of the Cubs fans gives you grief up there, just ask them if they are familiar with Halley's comet. Or politely inquire how they plan to commemorate their team's remarkable Centennial achievement this October. That oughta shut them up...
by Mr Clean on Mar 8, 2008 3:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
All good points...
by the red baron on Mar 8, 2008 3:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bullpen
by FutureMan on Mar 8, 2008 4:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Villone
by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Mar 8, 2008 4:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
BTS
Oh, and my friends aside, I hate Cubs fans.
by matt reeder on Mar 8, 2008 4:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seconded
One of the first times I saw them, in Memphis, they played the full twenty some odd minutes of their "Cortez the Killer" cover. Friggin' phenomenal.
by stl tyler on Mar 8, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hugo Castellanos
by liam on Mar 8, 2008 5:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
El Sid
by showmejoe on Mar 8, 2008 8:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
6 month window
In light of Spiezio and the rest of the black-eyes the Cardinal organization has taken from substance abuse...i think we should just pass on this type of player.
by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 8:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
by rockin redbird on Mar 8, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll only stone you
But if he's pitching well . . . sigh . . . I guess I would be open to the possibility. After all, we'd only need a half season from the guy (Carp, Mulder, etc.)
by Ray Lankford on Mar 8, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Mather
Seems his stock is rising as a potential replacement for Speizio's role. He tore up AA in the first half of last year at age 24. However, in 7 seasons of minor league ball, his OPS is .774. His second half promotion to AAA pretty much reflected his minor league totals.
ZiPS isn't kind, projecting an OBP under .300 and slugging under .400.
Marcel doesn't list him at all. PECOTA, ironically, lists him as a comp for three different other players but doesn't actually project Mather himself.
I'm all for youth movement and Mather seems to be having a good spring. But, is a 25 year old 1b-man with a career minor league OPS worth a roster spot? Was his first half AA performance indicative of a turnaround? Or is the 6 years it took him to crack AA a more accurate portrayal of his talent level?
by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 10:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
egads
by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Red Baron I know what it's like
Actually I love it here which is why I stay but that sure felt good to write this. Whew!!!
by easy on Mar 8, 2008 10:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
cubs fans
by Birdos in Mexico on Mar 8, 2008 10:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yet another reason to admire Cardinals fans...
by 3744 n sheffield on Mar 8, 2008 11:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well played, sirrah!
by the red baron on Mar 8, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs
I base this on a lineup that is injury prone with too many players on the wrong side of 30, a rotation with a headcase "ace" with a declining strikeout-to-walk ratio and replacing Marquis with Dempster (!) in the #3 slot and a manager with a history of teams which improve in one year and make the playoffs and tend to decline in the second (see Cincinnati, 1991; Seattle, 2002).
Bet on Milwaukee. They'll win the NL Central by three to five games.
by LTSmash on Mar 8, 2008 11:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The last years Dempster started
by sdrone on Mar 8, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay. Your right about everything except
I think Harang gets his first Cy Young Award this year.
by jillsinmo on Mar 8, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reds look good
- Dusty Baker
- The heavily abused front of the rotation that Baker's inheriting.
by liam on Mar 8, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yesterday's thread
by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
**ALERT** Everyone with MLB.TV
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2008 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Cards are also
by ridgesee on Mar 8, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's to say he will play
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Spiezio Beat-Up Mike Parisi??!
What is strange is that the Cardinals have taken the position that they only had hazy details of what occurred--whispers, the article says--prior to the issuance of the arrest warrant.
That's pretty hard to believe considering that the complainant is a pitcher in your camp. I suspect the truth is that the Cardinals probably knew what happened, but only reacted once it became a clear PR problem.
But I'm only speculating, of course. Maybe Spiezio lied to Parisi about how he got injured, and maybe the Cardinals didn't learn about the hit and run.
But the fact that it was a player who was assaulted does raise questions about what the Cardinals knew, when, and what they did with it.
by Titus Pullo on Mar 8, 2008 12:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't
by cardsgirl95 on Mar 8, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, very intresting article
by ridgesee on Mar 8, 2008 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, being a Cards fan in Chicagoland
But where are you? IN the city or outside the city? South side city is heavy Sox land, but the burbs are almost all predominantly Cubs.
by sdrone on Mar 8, 2008 12:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, the suburbs.
by the red baron on Mar 8, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A half-mile from Wrigley
by Hungry Jack on Mar 8, 2008 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just remember, red baron,
Oh, about the happy Cub fans, just mention 10 WS titles in 80 years and that shuts them up long enough for you to walk away with a smile on your face. At least it works for me here in SW Michigan.
by cardsgirl95 on Mar 8, 2008 12:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
RB I feel your pain
This is how split the fans are there. My younger brother is a Cards fan, my older brother was a cubbies fan. I gave him hell for jumping to the Astros when he moved to Houston, if the cubbies do well I'm sure his switch will be reversed.
Some of the most heated baseball exchanges I ever had were with lifelong friends of mine. According to them Cardinal fans are the most obnoxious, annoying, overbearing and just plain irritating fans on earth. You don't want to know the cubbies fans that aren't my friends say.
One of my favorite come back lines was "If, BIG IF, the cubbies ever win the WS they will have to put up new flagpoles because the ones they put up after 1908 for future titles have rusted through and fallen down."
After a lifetime of fighting on the front lines I've joined my brothers in Texas, what a relief no cubbie blue. BTW everything you see on King of the Hill is so true. HoustonCardinal I don't know how you take it, I can't find hardly any baseball fans here. Even the Longhorn fans don't seem to care and they always have a good team. If it wasn't for VEB I would go insane, some may say I already have.
by That's a Winner on Mar 8, 2008 12:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
anyone still think trading edmonds was a bad idea?
dont get me wrong i love jimmy but getting anything for him was a step in the right direction.
by punchinjudy on Mar 8, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone have the Link for today's game?
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 8, 2008 1:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Today's game ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 8, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Built to Spill
by PSKPSE on Mar 8, 2008 1:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
TLR
- he got his Stl ring
- he's a lock for the Hall
- he's got a ton of money
- he can wait for and then get most any job
- he's been doing this grind for a long time
- this team might put all the pieces together but most believe the Cards are a couple years away
by Hinkster on Mar 8, 2008 1:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
strongly agree
Exhibit A (and we can go deep into the alphabet)was using Miguel Cairo for even ONE inning last September... much less the 28g, 67AB he racked up.
It's the perfect time for Oberkfell, or Matheny, or even Oquendo
by the Tewk on Mar 8, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have often wondered about Tony's
by ridgesee on Mar 8, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
3 Nights in August
by StLHugo on Mar 8, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agree
by Hinkster on Mar 8, 2008 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if that is the case
by ridgesee on Mar 8, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's the money, IMHO...
He's also got some sort of movie production company starting up
by DiscoJer on Mar 9, 2008 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For a guy ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 8, 2008 2:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Make that FOUR ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 8, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I kept making the
by sdrone on Mar 8, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, it's THREE ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 8, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's FOUR and counting ...
by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 8, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Izturis
I hope this guy is not anywhere near Busch Stadium in April.
by KYCards on Mar 8, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I second that, Tewk
by ridgesee on Mar 8, 2008 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've been supportive of the signing but
by easy on Mar 8, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers
Guaranteed contracts + TLR preference for 12 pitchers preferrably veteran + minor league options still available =
Wainer
Piniero
Looper
Reyes
Thompson/Wellemeyer
Izzy
Franklin
Springer
Thompson/Wellemeyer
Politte - the new Cal Eldred
Flores - L
Villone - L
by Hinkster on Mar 8, 2008 2:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
FOUR walks in this inning ...and
by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2008 2:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
es garbajo!
by erik on Mar 8, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why does it look like Yadi has changed
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2008 2:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Juan's field time
Is he going to play the field at all this spring?
by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So, offensively
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2008 5:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So Barton wont see an AB
by Harknights on Mar 8, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yet in your eyes
Hmmm
by stltrav09 on Mar 8, 2008 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, tell me how you really feel
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2008 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not denying
I'm arguing the fact that you constantly deny the fact that Skip Schumaker is a good ballplayer even though he's put up good numbers practically his entire career.
You don't have to bring down one player to show your support of another, ya know.
by stltrav09 on Mar 8, 2008 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he wasn't a 'good ballplayer'
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
From today's story
Skip Schumaker started his third consecutive game as the Cardinals' leadoff hitter, and La Russa agreed that the lefthanded hitting outfielder would have to play his way off the roster by now. La Russa said Schumaker, who is five for 11 since taking over the top of the lineup, is on the 25-man roster he currently has sketched out to take north.I don't expect the organization is going to ditch Schumaker at this point in his career and with the roster situation we've got. There's no use in arguing Schumaker vs. Barton because four outfielders have already pretty much guaranteed themselves opening day spots (barring trade or injury) in Ankiel, Ludwick, Duncan, and Schumaker.
Barton's competing against Gonzalez and Mather. I'd say he's beating Gonzalez, who hasn't even appeared in the field, and is about tied with Mather, who's got all his options remaining and so would lose in a tie. I'd like to know for sure whether Gonzalez' minor league contract has a release clause where he can become a free agent at some point if he's not on the ML roster. Think I'll ask Goold.
by liam on Mar 8, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a disgusting quote
Apparently LaRussa has found his CF as of March 8?
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2008 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok but
Skip has him beat in speed, arm strength, defense, and hitting for average. Yes, Ludwick hits for power but he also strikes out a lot. We have enough power hitting strikeout hitters (Duncan, Ankiel, Glaus, and maybe JuanGon).
by stltrav09 on Mar 8, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
You've said this multiple times but again, you can never have too many power hitters.
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2008 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the biggest ludwick fan around
(they are both much better than ankiel, except for that incredible arm)...
As far as striking out too much, that's just not correct. He doesn't strike that much and even if he did, the fact that he almost never GIDP's makes up for it.
This is academic anyway, as ludwick will be on the team unless he gets hurt again.
by SleepyCA on Mar 9, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rather have Luddy
- He's a better offensive player. I have been reading your arguements for the several days you've been around and you mostly point to Schu's batting average, saying "all he has done is hit." Around here, people don't put much stock in batting average. It's kind of a hollow statistic. Ludwick carries a minor league career OPS .110 points higher than Schu's...that's a huge difference. Schu's .740 OPS is even poor for a centerfielder, let alone a corner outfielder. Additionally, his on base skills at the major league level haven't really been that great = .331. It spiked last year in a small sample size...but, you also have to consider TLR platooned and PH him into ideal situations AND his BABIP was a crazy .363 (which means he got lucky).
- He hits left-handed, the same as Ankiel and Duncan. Ludwick is better offensively and hits RH. Now, you could discount this because Ludwick does have a reverse split. But, TLR won't use him that way. Additionally, Ludwick is still a better hitter.
by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to clarify
Also wanted to clarify that we have plenty of LH outfielders and need a RH hitting one for platoon/matchup reasons. If/when Rasmus gets called up, the LH log jam will be even worse.
by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hey
Boy, do some people love to hurl statistics around.
by ridgesee on Mar 9, 2008 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hurling
by RedbirdRay on Mar 9, 2008 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip's peak is basically...
I also don't think Skip is any better than Ludwick, nor is he any faster. Ludwick stole 4x as many bases in the majors last year, in twice as much playing time. Which isn't saying much - 4 SB to 1 Sb. I don't know why people think Skip is some sort of speedster. He's not.
Barton has a much, much higher potential than Skip has.
by DiscoJer on Mar 9, 2008 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, THAT and...
and is only good enough for Left Field as a result, per Tony (sadly, not sarcasm).
by Mr Clean on Mar 8, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ads,
by punchinjudy on Mar 8, 2008 10:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and then there's this from today's PD
-- funny how none of us mentioned Jimenez and his 7.50 ERA last year.
by DCGreg on Mar 9, 2008 8:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if jimenez makes the team over Motte
by SleepyCA on Mar 9, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello?
Us preacher's kids are the worst kind.
by RedbirdRay on Mar 9, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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