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Saturday, 8 March- Total Bull

I drove all the way up here for this?  

I am currently sitting on my girlfriend's sofa, watching Fantasia, (which I totally love, by the way) and trying to determine if it was at all worth the trip.  She has some sort of virus, (and judging by the level of complaining, it's apparently Ebola) so I'm mostly keeping myself company while she sleeps.  I was attempting to get some sleep also, but her new kitten, who I freely admit is cute enough to charm my anger away, urinated on my leg.  Needless to say, between being suddenly awakened by such an unpleasant sensation and then having to jump up and change all the bedding, this has put me in a less than charitable mood.  

Worst of all is the city itself.  Everywhere I go, I see Cubs fans.  She lives to the southwest of the city, so you would expect more Sox fans, but no.  Nothing but blue jerseys and hats.  All her neighbors, the people I see on the street, the cab driver who nearly T-boned me on my way here.  All Cubs fans, all smiling, all optimistic.  I was wearing a Cards sweatshirt this afternoon, and when I went to pick up our dinner, all of these happy, hopeful Cubs fans wanted only to rag on my team.  I have no idea how you Cardinal fans who live up this way handle it.  As insufferable as it it dealing with Cubs' fans in an average year, the knowledge that their team is, in all likelihood, leaps and bounds better than our own squad makes the experience very nearly unbearable.  I wonder if she would notice if I snuck out in the middle of the night...

Going into Spring Training, the Cardinal bullpen was seen as perhaps the deepest part of the entire team, particularly the right side.  That has become even more true as camp has gone on, as pitchers like Jason Motte, Chris Perez, Mike Parisi, and Kyle McClellan have all been extremely impressive so far.  Both Parisi and McClellan are being looked at primarily as starters, yes, but could easily fall into more of a swingman type role if needed.  I'm sure neither would object to relieving if it meant breaking camp with the big club instead of riding the bus in Memphis.  In addition, with Joel Pineiro looking strong in yesterday's start, the starting slots are no longer quite so prevalent.  

Tyler Johnson will most likely begin the season on the Disabled List, making the left side of the bullpen a little thinner.  So, with all of this in mind, I wanted to take a look at how the relief corps is shaping up this year.  

Starting off with the right handers, the following players appear to have spots locked up:  

Jason Isringhausen
Russ Springer
Ryan Franklin
At least one of, and possibly both, Todd Wellemeyer and Brad Thompson

From the left side, only Randy Flores appears to have a spot guaranteed to begin the season.

If Reyes wins the 5th starter competition, then most likely Thompson and Wellemeyer end up in the bullpen.  Personally, I see this as the most likely outcome.  Unfortunately, that doesn't really leave a spot for any of the youngsters in camp, no matter how impressive their performance.  The only real opening I see is the one opened up by Johnson's injury.  Of course, if Tony chooses to carry a second lefty, we're looking at the other Flores or, most likely, Ron Villone, rather than one of the kids getting a shot.  

So here's the conundrum.  The Cards have seven spots open in the bullpen.  I think the five righties above will all be in pen to begin the season.  Randy has a spot.  We have one spot left, and quite a few players available to fill it.  

Right Handers

Chris Perez
Jason Motte
Kyle McClellan
Mike Parisi
Mark Worrell

Left Handers

Ron Flores  
Ron Villone
Jaime Garcia (a long shot, but still a possibility)

Tyler will most likely be on the DL for only around the first month at the most, from what I've been hearing.  In addition, Josh Kinney, (remember him?) is expected to go out on either a rehab assignment or extended spring training a week or two after the season begins.  He should, barring any further complications, be ready right around the first of May.  

So this is the question in front of us.  How would you like to see the bullpen constituted to begin the season?  What about when Johnson and Kinney return?  Who loses their spot?  To me, the way the bullpen ends up coming together is going to be just as interesting to watch as the outfield competition, and even more crowded.  

Random tidbits:  

Derrick Goold has a nice little blurb up about the Cardinals' middle infielders' performances so far in camp, among other things, including some of his own thoughts on the bullpen and a very cool bit about Colby from Cameron Maybin.   Needless to say, if this is the level of performance we can expect from Adam 'Sleepy' Kennedy and Cesar 'Event Horizon' Izturis, it's going to be a very, very long year.  

Apparently El Sid was pretty impressive in his audition the other day.  Don't get me wrong, I don't think there's any way in the world the Cards should consider signing him, but it's good to hear that he's apparently getting himself back at least going in the right direction.  Good luck, Sid.  

From the shameless free advertisement department: next Saturday, on the 15th of March, Built to Spill is playing at the Pageant.  Not baseball related, I know, but I also know that at least some of the people on this board are big music fans and have similar taste to my own, so I thought I would put that out there.  They're one of my personal favourites.  

From that same department: Federhofer's bakery has hot cross buns for Lent.  I don't know if many of you are familiar with Federhofer's, but they're one of the few remaining real old school bakeries left in the city.  I've personally been going there since I was about four or five, first with my grandmother, then my mother, and now myself.  This is a great, independently owned, local business, and they can always use the support.  If you live in the city, you should check it out.  They are located at 9005 Gravois Rd., St. Louis 63123.  Unfortunately, this is just the kind of business we're running out of, and the kind that we should all be sad to see go.  Sorry about this, I try to keep from getting shrill and haranguing with my own social views, but sometimes I just can't help it.  Plus, their products are really, really delicious.  

I went last weekend with a couple of friends to see Semi Pro. Go and see it. I know it just looks like the same movie Will Ferrell has made quite a bit lately, but that's not entirely true. Don't get me wrong, it has plenty in common with Talladega Nights and it's ilk, but Semi Pro has far more actual depth to it, far more real pathos, to go along with the standard Major League sort of plot. I liked it, and it's definitely worth the price of admission.

One last note: the Cardinals recently brought in a lefthanded knuckleballer named Joe Rogers.  I personally love watching knuckleballers, and I don't think I've ever seen a lefthanded one.  Needless to say, I want all of your help in e-harassing any and all members of the Cardinals organisation until Mr. Rogers is on the mound in St. Louis.  If we can't be good, we can at least be entertaining.  

This is the red baron, on special assignment behind enemy lines, signing off.  Pray for me.  All of you.  
 

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Hang tough, soldier
Although this year looks to be a bust in terms of competitiveness, it is exciting to see a growing number of talented and promising youngsters coming up through the system.  Now if only we could convince Tony to actually, you know...USE some of them.  Ah, well.  2 more years, right?

Anyway.  Don't tell your g/f about the puddy tat peeing on your leg.  That'll just make her upset.  Rest and fluids, blah blah blah.

And every time one of the Cubs fans gives you grief up there, just ask them if they are familiar with Halley's comet.  Or politely inquire how they plan to commemorate their team's remarkable Centennial achievement this October.  That oughta shut them up...

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 8, 2008 3:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

All good points...
but the ship has sailed on her not finding out about the cat, seeing as how I jumped up out of bed and nearly threw her out as well when I woke up, then changed the sheets and all.  Don't get me wrong, she's kinda out of it at the moment, but I'm pretty sure she'll remember that.  
"Hello, Cleveland!"

by the red baron on Mar 8, 2008 3:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

bullpen
if johnson and kinney both come back healthy and effective i'd like to see flores get dropped (unless he has a resurrection) and then johnson and kinney would fill the final two bullpen slots.  tj can be the lefty specialist and kinney would be long relief that can get lefty's and righty's out.

by FutureMan on Mar 8, 2008 4:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Villone
I really don't see any chance that the spot goes to anybody, but Villone. Larussa/Dunc insist on having 2 lefties, and he's a veteran guy from the Mitchell Report so I'm sure Tony/Dunc have already made up their mind. However, if it were up to me, I'd let Worrell or Perez take a crack at it. If he's successful, when TJ comes back Welly or Thompson gets the boot.
"Ding-dong the wicked witch is dead!" - Wayne Hagin after the cardinals snapped a losing streak

by The Ghost of Todd Burns on Mar 8, 2008 4:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

BTS
Man, Built to Spill put on a killer live show. Highly recommended! The last time I saw them we drove down to Mississippi Nights from Normal, IL and they put on an amazing show, opening with "Built To Spill" and busting out "Velvet Waltz", which completely blew my mind.

Oh, and my friends aside, I hate Cubs fans.

by matt reeder on Mar 8, 2008 4:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Seconded
I've seen them seven or eight times at this point, and it's always totally worth it.

One of the first times I saw them, in Memphis, they played the full twenty some odd minutes of their "Cortez the Killer" cover.  Friggin' phenomenal.  

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Mar 8, 2008 10:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hugo Castellanos
I like him to make the opening day roster, with Reyes and Wellemeyer in the rotation--and Villone holding down TJ's spot.

by liam on Mar 8, 2008 5:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

El Sid
If he would be willing to sign a minor league deal to prove he is again worth a damn, why wouldn't we consider it?  He has durablity, so if he could be a competent major league starter we could have use for him.  I realize I will probably be stoned for making this comment but I was actually excited when the Cards signed him the first time.
I'm looking for the next Bobby Bonilla?

by showmejoe on Mar 8, 2008 8:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

6 month window
So, he had 6 months where he worked hard.   How long will it last?

In light of Spiezio and the rest of the black-eyes the Cardinal organization has taken from substance abuse...i think we should just pass on this type of player.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 8:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
We gave Sir Sid a chance before and it did no good. He started strong but then completely fell apart. I have no faith a second go-round would be any different. And if he falls off the wagon and does something stupid or tragic, well, that's the last thing this team needs. Pass.

by rockin redbird on Mar 8, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll only stone you
for the durability comment -- dude hasn't pitched 200 innings since 2004.  He pitched 85 in 2006 and a whopping 37 last year.  

But if he's pitching well . . . sigh . . . I guess I would be open to the possibility.  After all, we'd only need a half season from the guy (Carp, Mulder, etc.)

by Ray Lankford on Mar 8, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Mather
What do you guys think we could expect from Joe Mather should he make the team?

Seems his stock is rising as a potential replacement for Speizio's role.   He tore up AA in the first half of last year at age 24.  However, in 7 seasons of minor league ball, his OPS is .774.   His second half promotion to AAA pretty much reflected his minor league totals.

ZiPS isn't kind, projecting an OBP under .300 and slugging under .400.

Marcel doesn't list him at all.   PECOTA, ironically, lists him as a comp for three different other players but doesn't actually project Mather himself.

I'm all for youth movement and Mather seems to be having a good spring.   But, is a 25 year old 1b-man with a career minor league OPS worth a roster spot?   Was his first half AA performance indicative of a turnaround?   Or is the 6 years it took him to crack AA a more accurate portrayal of his talent level?  

by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 10:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

egads
I should really learn to proof-read.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 10:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Red Baron I know what it's like
to be a Cardinal fan in exile.  I actually have never lived near St. Louis despite being a life long fan.  I've lived in Minnesota since 1970 and the '87 series was a tough go.  Bill Moyers once said that Minnesotans are like Texans without the sense of humor and that about sums it up.  Sporting contests are moral struggles between the sacred state boundaries of "God's country" and either the Satanic forces of the west (anything west of the Dakotas) coast and east (anything east of Wisconsin) coast or the troglodytes of the other midwestern states.  I along with Whitey, Ozzie and especially Willie was vilified for the duration of the series and for some time after.  Minnesotans were convinced that the eastern press and the rest of the country were pulling for the state of Missouri though nobody could actually tell me why other than that the rest of the country is jealous of those of us who are blessed to live here.  To this day Minnesotans are simultaneously convinced that the Twins won that series because they were the best team since the '27 Yankees and that they won it because they were a spunky bunch of Cinderellas who overcame the overwhelming odds by the purity of their hearts and an infusion of "Minnesota nice".  Over the last twenty years I have frequently offered to convince these yokels (not a real baseball fan in the whole Goddamn state) that it was the Cardinals who overcame the overwhelming odds to extend the series to seven games in the face of the dome advantage, multiple injuries and, what was actually a pretty decent Twins team.  I tell them that they will have to give me 15 minutes of silence  to do this before they can start whining about the whole world being against Minnesota.  So far noone's taken me up on it.
Actually I love it here which is why I stay but that sure felt good to write this.  Whew!!!

by easy on Mar 8, 2008 10:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

cubs fans
I like to tell cubs fans... "oh sure, I don't mind you guys winning it all once every hundred years.  But honestly, the window on that is even closing."

by Birdos in Mexico on Mar 8, 2008 10:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yet another reason to admire Cardinals fans...
... because they go to Chicago and then complain that they are so many Cubs fans there.
Where is Vern Rapp when you need him?

by 3744 n sheffield on Mar 8, 2008 11:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Cubs
will not win the NL Central title this year.  I think I'm the only person on Planet Earth who is predicting this.  

I base this on a lineup that is injury prone with too many players on the wrong side of 30, a rotation with a headcase "ace" with a declining strikeout-to-walk ratio and replacing Marquis with Dempster (!) in the #3 slot and a manager with a history of teams which improve in one year and make the playoffs and tend to decline in the second (see Cincinnati, 1991; Seattle, 2002).

Bet on Milwaukee.  They'll win the NL Central by three to five games.

by LTSmash on Mar 8, 2008 11:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Okay. Your right about everything except
I'm going to stick with my original dark horse team the Cincinnati Reds.  They will finsih atop the NL Central.  I have absolutely nothing to back this up except gut feelings and Harang and Arroyo at the top of the rotation.

I think Harang gets his first Cy Young Award this year.

She isn't crazy, she's just not impressed.

by jillsinmo on Mar 8, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Reds look good
But they have two potentially disastrous problems:
  1. Dusty Baker
  2. The heavily abused front of the rotation that Baker's inheriting.

by liam on Mar 8, 2008 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yesterday's thread
If you check yesterday's win prediction thread, there are a few BrewCrew believers.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Cards are also
on MLBTV Monday. I'm looking forward to getting a good look at Barton to see if he is as good as you have him rated, Hardcore.

by ridgesee on Mar 8, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Spiezio Beat-Up Mike Parisi??!
Did anyone else notice this detail of the USA Today article on Spiezio?  The guy that Spiezio beat up wasn'y just some shmoe; it was Mike Parisi.  

What is strange is that the Cardinals have taken the position that they only had hazy details of what occurred--whispers, the article says--prior to the issuance of the arrest warrant.

That's pretty hard to believe considering that the complainant is a pitcher in your camp.  I suspect the truth is that the Cardinals probably knew what happened, but only reacted once it became a clear PR problem.  

But I'm only speculating, of course.  Maybe Spiezio lied to Parisi about how he got injured, and maybe the Cardinals didn't learn about the hit and run.

But the fact that it was a player who was assaulted does raise questions about what the Cardinals knew, when, and what they did with it.

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 8, 2008 12:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't
the Mike Parisi that is a Cardinals minor leaguer now, it was some other Mike Parisi.  Goold mentions this in the comments section to his Birdland piece today.  

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 8, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, very intresting article
on Spiezio. It is amazing he could perform as well as he did with all he had going on.

by ridgesee on Mar 8, 2008 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, being a Cards fan in Chicagoland
can blow.  Esp. since we can never seem to beat the Cubs.

But where are you?   IN the city or outside the city?  South side city is heavy Sox land, but the burbs are almost all predominantly Cubs.

by sdrone on Mar 8, 2008 12:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

A half-mile from Wrigley
I'm just off the 2900 block of Clark Street, about a half-mile south of the world's biggest bar in the Sovereign State of Lakeview in the People's Republic of Chicago. It's really not too bad during the summer, though I do find "Go Cubs Go" as annoying jorts.

by Hungry Jack on Mar 8, 2008 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just remember, red baron,
you are only there for a short while.  Keep repeating it to yourself like a mantra, "Only here for the weekend, only here for the weekend."  Don't kick or otherwise harm said cute kitty and heat up some chicken noodle soup for your girlfriend and you will earn serious brownie points to spent on your next trip to Chicago when she is feeling fine.

Oh, about the happy Cub fans, just mention 10 WS titles in 80 years and that shuts them up long enough for you to walk away with a smile on your face.  At least it works for me here in SW Michigan.  

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 8, 2008 12:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

RB I feel your pain
I grew up in west central Illinois, a 3 1/2 hour drive from both Chicago and STL. Smack on the border between the teams fans.

This is how split the fans are there. My younger brother is a Cards fan, my older brother was a cubbies fan. I gave him hell for jumping to the Astros when he moved to Houston, if the cubbies do well I'm sure his switch will be reversed.

Some of the most heated baseball exchanges I ever had were with lifelong friends of mine. According to them Cardinal fans are the most obnoxious, annoying, overbearing and just plain irritating fans on earth. You don't want to know the cubbies fans that aren't my friends say.

One of my favorite come back lines was "If, BIG IF, the cubbies ever win the WS they will have to put up new flagpoles because the ones they put up after 1908 for future titles have rusted through and fallen down."

After a lifetime of fighting on the front lines I've joined my brothers in Texas, what a relief no cubbie blue. BTW everything you see on King of the Hill is so true. HoustonCardinal I don't know how you take it, I can't find hardly any baseball fans here. Even the Longhorn fans don't seem to care and they always have a good team. If it wasn't for VEB I would go insane, some may say I already have.

"Do what you want to the women and children but leave me alone"-George Carlin

by That's a Winner on Mar 8, 2008 12:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

anyone still think trading edmonds was a bad idea?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/03/crumbling-edmon.html

dont get me wrong i love jimmy but getting anything for him was a step in the right direction.

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punchinjudy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Mar 8, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone have the Link for today's game?
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 8, 2008 1:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Today's game ...
Thanks a bunch Molina4MVP !!!
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 8, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Built to Spill
...is also doing a show the next night (Sunday the 16th) in Columbia at the Blue Note.  Tix are $16.  If you have to opportunity give the album "Perfect from Now On" a listen.

by PSKPSE on Mar 8, 2008 1:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

TLR
At the risk of re-hashing, I'm still wondering why TLR came back to manage this team.  I suppose I can see why DeWitt would allow a HOF guy who won it all in 2006 to stay as long as he likes but Tony?
  • he got his Stl ring
  • he's a lock for the Hall
  • he's got a ton of money
  • he can wait for and then get most any job
  • he's been doing this grind for a long time
  • this team might put all the pieces together but most believe the Cards are a couple years away
I suppose we can file TLR's choice in the "I'd rather be doing this than not" category but I'd sure like to see this team rebuild with a youngster at the helm.....give me Oquendo or somebody....just seems like an odd time for a guy who loves older veterans to be managing the Cardinals

by Hinkster on Mar 8, 2008 1:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

strongly agree
I, for one, don't need or expect a playoff appearance every year.  A 're-building' go-with-the-kids year is very exciting and interesting in its own way.  My stomach gets sick, tho, remembering that LaRussa is in charge of it.
Exhibit A (and we can go deep into the alphabet)was using Miguel Cairo for even ONE inning last September... much less the 28g, 67AB he racked up.

It's the perfect time for Oberkfell, or Matheny, or even Oquendo

by the Tewk on Mar 8, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have often wondered about Tony's
motives. He leaves his family from what I understand in California for about 8 or 9 months a year to manage baseball. Only visits a few days at all star break or team trips to west coast. Is he got an ugly wife or something.

by ridgesee on Mar 8, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3 Nights in August
If you read 3 nights in august you will understand that.  I always wondered it too till I read that book this winter.  Basically during his time with the White Sox's they started having marriage issues that just got worse with their move to Oakland.  He got the Cardinals job they decided it was best for him to separate his baseball life from their personal lives.  This saved their marriage, read the book for more details but it really is a good thing for them but his girls still feel neglected because of his baseball life.

by StLHugo on Mar 8, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree
I've read same......TLR's family life seems to be a mystery and I wish him well in sorting it out, especially at his age.....as one striving for balance in life, I'm always intrigued by how these "genius dedicated leaders" do acheive balance.  I will never sit in judgment but it is interesting to get a glimpse into the personal lives of some who are totally devoted to their occupation at the expense of family (certainly occurs beyond sports) and those who seem to achieve balance.....Tony Dungy?

by Hinkster on Mar 8, 2008 7:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well if that is the case
last year would have been a good time to retire and spend some time with his family. He sounds a little selfish to me. As for me it is better to grow old surounded by the love of a family than trying to ride herd on a bunch of unpredictable ballplayers..but whatever suits just tickles me to death.

by ridgesee on Mar 8, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's the money, IMHO...
Tony's probably got a lot of expenses, too.  It's not cheap to live the good life in California. And he's had to support a wife and two daughters living separately.

He's also got some sort of movie production company starting up

by DiscoJer on Mar 9, 2008 12:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For a guy ...
whose only claim to a roster spot is defense ... that's Izturis's THIRD error of the spring ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 8, 2008 2:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Make that FOUR ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 8, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is why I kept making the
"have you watched Cubs games this year" when people pointed out his stats weren't that bad.

by sdrone on Mar 8, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, it's THREE ...
I thought Rooney said Izturis botched it, but Gameday says Ludwick did it.  Sorry; don't mean to overly dump on Izurtis.  I just don't like his play so far, and would rather go young ...
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 8, 2008 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's FOUR and counting ...
I thought I heard Izturis make another error ... Gameday just corrected itself to give Isturis that error ... and another out gives him a whopping .100 avg ... geesh
Culture of Winning: 10 World Championships, 17 Pennants, 6 Division Championships ...

by Cardinals4Ever on Mar 8, 2008 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Izturis
was a bonehead signing no doubt about it.

I hope this guy is not anywhere near Busch Stadium in April.

by KYCards on Mar 8, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my # 1 prayer
No Izturis; no Kennedy

by the Tewk on Mar 8, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I second that, Tewk
all the arguing about the outfield spots is getting a little tiresome. It is the 2nd base SS situation that needs attention. Maybe even Jack Wilson wouldn't look so bad come May.

by ridgesee on Mar 8, 2008 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been supportive of the signing but
you're right, so far he's been awful.  It's still early but Ryan and Barden may play bigger roles than we thought.

by easy on Mar 8, 2008 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pitchers
I don't see alot of mystery in the opening day pitchers

Guaranteed contracts + TLR preference for 12 pitchers preferrably veteran + minor league options still available =

Wainer
Piniero
Looper
Reyes
Thompson/Wellemeyer

Izzy
Franklin
Springer
Thompson/Wellemeyer
Politte - the new Cal Eldred
Flores - L
Villone - L

by Hinkster on Mar 8, 2008 2:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

FOUR walks in this inning ...and
the Dodgers have batted around..  Pretty ugly. BUT?...it's only March 8th....and Ron Vilone is NOT making much of a case to make this club ..wow.. UGLY...7 runs in the 3rd for the Dodgers now.

by Timbo02 on Mar 8, 2008 2:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

es garbajo!
Amaury's birthday is uncertain because Marti does not age. Every birthday, it's just another year added to his existence, which sucks for opposing pitchers.

by erik on Mar 8, 2008 2:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Juan's field time
I thought JuanGone was supposed to play in the field today and tomorrow.   Wonder what happened?  

Is he going to play the field at all this spring?

by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 3:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yet in your eyes
Skippy isn't even worthy of a roster spot and Barton is the 2nd coming.

Hmmm

Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 8, 2008 6:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not denying
Barton's talent.  I love the kid and hopes he makes the team.  In fact, if he doesn't make the team, something is seriously wrong.

I'm arguing the fact that you constantly deny the fact that Skip Schumaker is a good ballplayer even though he's put up good numbers practically his entire career.    

You don't have to bring down one player to show your support of another, ya know.  

Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 8, 2008 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said he wasn't a 'good ballplayer'
just that he is playing over his head right now and it would be extremely shortsided of the club to choose him over Barton because they seem to think Skippy's got a stronger arm and because he is off to a hot start.  His 'hot start' is only 1 single better than Barton's.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From today's story
Link:
Skip Schumaker started his third consecutive game as the Cardinals' leadoff hitter, and La Russa agreed that the lefthanded hitting outfielder would have to play his way off the roster by now. La Russa said Schumaker, who is five for 11 since taking over the top of the lineup, is on the 25-man roster he currently has sketched out to take north.
I don't expect the organization is going to ditch Schumaker at this point in his career and with the roster situation we've got. There's no use in arguing Schumaker vs. Barton because four outfielders have already pretty much guaranteed themselves opening day spots (barring trade or injury) in Ankiel, Ludwick, Duncan, and Schumaker.

Barton's competing against Gonzalez and Mather. I'd say he's beating Gonzalez, who hasn't even appeared in the field, and is about tied with Mather, who's got all his options remaining and so would lose in a tie. I'd like to know for sure whether Gonzalez' minor league contract has a release clause where he can become a free agent at some point if he's not on the ML roster. Think I'll ask Goold.

by liam on Mar 8, 2008 7:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a disgusting quote
goodbye open competitions.

Apparently LaRussa has found his CF as of March 8?

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2008 8:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok but
surely you don't think Ludwick should make the team over Schumaker... do you?

Skip has him beat in speed, arm strength, defense, and hitting for average.  Yes, Ludwick hits for power but he also strikes out a lot.  We have enough power hitting strikeout hitters (Duncan, Ankiel, Glaus, and maybe JuanGon).

Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 8, 2008 7:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree
Ludwick plays better defense, as far as I can tell and I don't know that Skip has a stronger arm than Ryan either.

You've said this multiple times but again, you can never have too many power hitters.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 8, 2008 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm the biggest ludwick fan around
have been since I saw him play in AAA on milbtv, but even I don't think he plays better defense than Skip.  But Skip's bat isn't even in the same league, and Ludwick is close enough defensively to Skip that I don't think defense should be a factor.  Ludwick is also a very good defender.  

(they are both much better than ankiel, except for that incredible arm)...

As far as striking out too much, that's just not correct.  He doesn't strike that much and even if he did, the fact that he almost never GIDP's makes up for it.  

This is academic anyway, as ludwick will be on the team unless he gets hurt again.  

by SleepyCA on Mar 9, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rather have Luddy
for a couple reasons.
  1.  He's a better offensive player.  I have been reading your arguements for the several days you've been around and you mostly point to Schu's batting average, saying "all he has done is hit."  Around here, people don't put much stock in batting average.  It's kind of a hollow statistic.  Ludwick carries a minor league career OPS .110 points higher than Schu's...that's a huge difference.   Schu's .740 OPS is even poor for a centerfielder, let alone a corner outfielder.   Additionally, his on base skills at the major league level haven't really been that great = .331.   It spiked last year in a small sample size...but, you also have to consider TLR platooned and PH him into ideal situations AND his BABIP was a crazy .363 (which means he got lucky).  
  2.   He hits left-handed, the same as Ankiel and Duncan.   Ludwick is better offensively and hits RH.   Now, you could discount this because Ludwick does have a reverse split.  But, TLR won't use him that way.   Additionally, Ludwick is still a better hitter.  

by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

to clarify
meant for the several days you've been argueing for Skip.  re-reading thought it could be taken differently.

Also wanted to clarify that we have plenty of LH outfielders and need a RH hitting one for platoon/matchup reasons.   If/when Rasmus gets called up, the LH log jam will be even worse.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 8, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hey
"Around here, people don't put much stock in a batting average. It is kind of a hollow statistic." Yeah to admit otherwise would weaken the argument that Aaron Miles is not the worst baseball player in the world and a lot of people wouldn't want that.
Boy, do some people love to hurl statistics around.

by ridgesee on Mar 9, 2008 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hurling
Hurling superlatives certainly seems to strenthen your arguement.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 9, 2008 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Skip's peak is basically...
a left handed So Taguchi. A mostly singles hitter who plays good defense and is slightly faster than average.

I also don't think Skip is any better than Ludwick, nor is he any faster. Ludwick stole 4x as many bases in the majors last year, in twice as much playing time. Which isn't saying much - 4 SB to 1 Sb. I don't know why people think Skip is some sort of speedster. He's not.

Barton has a much, much higher potential than Skip has.

by DiscoJer on Mar 9, 2008 12:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, THAT and...
<sarcasm> don't forget about the fact that apparently Barton has the arm of a 6-year old girl</sarcasm>
and is only good enough for Left Field as a result, per Tony (sadly, not sarcasm).
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 8, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ads,
i am ok with the ads cause i understand that things need sponsoring, but a cubs ringtone link with a cub swinging? Never expected that...
I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punchinjudy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Mar 8, 2008 10:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

and then there's this from today's PD
The shuffle of arms that began with Tyler Johnson's injured shoulder may open a spot in the Cardinals' bullpen for a fifth righthander, perhaps a swingman. Kelvin Jimenez has the edge for the spot. Jason Motte is a fringe candidate and McClellan could also get consideration.

-- funny how none of us mentioned Jimenez and his 7.50 ERA last year.

by DCGreg on Mar 9, 2008 8:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hello?
Everyone must be in church.  I must be the only heathen.

Us preacher's kids are the worst kind.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 9, 2008 11:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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