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the cards host baltimore today; i think it's wellemeyer's turn to pitch. there'll be an audio feed (don't know if it's our side's voices or the orioles'), and the gameday link is here.

you've been hearing about it for over a year; you've seen it live over at Athletics Nation; you've been dreaming of the day. well, that day is finally near at hand. the long-promised, long-time-coming upgrades to Viva El Birdos are about to roll out. we'll migrate over to the new platform this Saturday. the site will be down temporarily --- an hour or two, roughly --- while all the archives get dumped off the current server and onto a new one. once that happens, we'll reappear with some simple instructions for how to use and enjoy the new blog. the content's not going to change, and the community-oriented features are only going to change for the better. the site'll look different too, but we'll have the same logo, same colors, same daily photos of mostly nude swimsuit models and chippendales. i don't promise that it'll be 100 percent painless, but the switchover at Ath-a-letics Nation produced a very low rate of casualties. another site is going to migrate today (and please don't go fishing around for it; we don't want to burden the transition with a bunch of looky-loos), so the programming team will have two previous rounds of debugging under their belts before they get to us.

that's the big news of saturday. the big news of today: pineiro's shoulder still ain't right. he cut short a side session sunday and saw a doc yesterday; we might, or might not, get more details today. anybody sorry the cards didn't sign ponson when they had the chance? . . . . . . . me either. the only pitcher i'd rather have than the in-house options is kyle lohse, and it doesn't sound as if pineiro's injury is significant enough --- yet --- to trigger the $5m-ish expenditure it would take to get lohse. the latest rumor on him --- a faint one --- linked lohse to the giants, who've lost noah lowry to a wrist injury. the orioles also have reportedly sniffed, and you still occasionally hear that the mets are gonna sign him, but there's not a stampede to the guy's door. anything but. there's obviously something more here than meets the eye.

it's not clear how much time (if any) pineiro will miss, but i doubt he's gonna make 30 starts this year. as per usual the team is downplaying the injury; nothing to worry about, just a little stiffness. and maybe that's all it is --- maybe. but we've been through this before, haven't we . . . . . if pineiro's health problems sideline him for any length of time, we're likely gonna see mike parisi in the rotation alongside reyes and brad thompson; and if it comes to that, then let's just go whole hog w/ the rebuilding, shall we? stick brendan ryan out there every day, keep brian barton on the roster, toss rasmus into the fray there as soon as is practical, and get on with the growing pains. in my season preview for The Hardball Times (which posted this morning ---- read it here) i noted how reluctant the organization has been to acknowledge that it's rebuilding --- hence the rehiring of la russa, the juan gone experiment, the aaron miles reprise, etc etc. i even used barton / gonzalez as a metaphor --- the one symbolizing an uncertain but hopeful future, the other symbolizing past glories that can't be restored. i've never considered pineiro integral to either phase --- the past nor the future. stand by to find out whether he's integral to the present. . . . .

speaking of the Hardball Times preview: it's nl central week over there. in addition to my look at the cards, the last couple days have featured articles about the reds, the cubs, and the brewers. regarding the latter: ned yost has made official his plans to bat the pitcher eighth this year. i love how he explains the rationale:

"We've done studies on this," Yost said. "It's not just that we come up one day and say, 'You know, Jason Kendall's gonna hit ninth.' You've had a lot of smart people looking at it and crunching numbers and seeing if, numbers-wise, it made sense."
translation: this wasn't really my idea, it was those smart people. yost wants no part of either the credit nor the blame here. if the unconventional lineup works out, then god bless the smart people; what do i know, i'm just an old ballplayer. and if it doesn't work out? well, smart people don't always know everything. . . . .

one last item for the morning: Batter's Box has a list of the vegas over / unders. the cardinals' figure is 78.5 wins. anybody taking the over? i'm gonna put up a poll on the sidebar. . . . . see you thursday.

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It's all how you say it
I have found Kyle Lohse is much more impressive sounding if you say it like Keyser Söze. So maybe if someone throws in the tape Usual Suspects for Mozeliak he will than sign Kyle Lohse.

by DimitroffVodka on Mar 11, 2008 9:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I almost.......
fell on the floor in laughter reading that. i sure does like the usual suspects
"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell

by elirock83 on Mar 11, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

rebuild
>>if pineiro's health problems sideline him for any length of time, we're likely gonna see mike parisi in the rotation alongside reyes and brad thompson; and if it comes to that, then let's just go whole hog w/ the rebuilding, shall we? stick brendan ryan out there every day, keep brian barton on the roster, toss rasmus into the fray<<

And have Albert get his surgery pronto?  Just a thought.  Of course, these moves would be the best for the long term prospects of the franchise but bringing TLR back assuredly spiked the idea of rebuilding mode.  How long before Tony punches up Miguel Cairo's cel # on his speed dial?

by jjray on Mar 11, 2008 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's an interesting tidbit in that article
about Pineiro.  It deals w/ LaRussa's concern about the cleanup spot.  LaRussa originally had Glaus in mind for the cleanup spot -- a rational thought considering Glaus' power and the likelihood that he would be able to continue it this year -- but that he's now considering Rick Ankiel.  Ankiel, of course, has a grand total of 190 PA's as a major-league OF and a career OBP of .328.  Glaus' career OBP is .358 but apparently Tony is turned off by his career .238 batting average hitting in the 4th spot.  Glaus is a career .259 hitter batting 5th.

Now I realize that Glaus has a ton of major-league PA's and that we're not dealing w/ small sample sizes here, but does Tony really believe that Glaus, upon seeing his name written next to the #4 on the lineup card, is overcome w/ anxiety that ultimately keeps him from being a good major-league hitter?  Or that he so loves the #5 that he becomes a significantly better hitter when batting w/o the pressure of hitting immediately behind the great Albert Pujols?

There are reasons to split up Pujols and Glaus -- namely, to put a lefty in between them to balance them out and to split up the 2 best power hitters so as to make the most of Glaus' power.  A career .238 average in the 4 hole isn't one of them.  He's got a career 1.088 OPS hitting 2nd but apparently Tony's not considering that.  

Moreover, maybe Ankiel is going to become such a good hitter that he needs to be hitting higher in the order but giving more PA's to a guy whose career OBP is 30 pts. lower than the guy batting behind him runs counter to the idea of batting the pitcher 8th -- that is, to score as many runs as possible.

by chuckb on Mar 11, 2008 9:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The pitcher 8th
On Brewerfan.net, they were questioning why TLR is so enamared of hitting the pitcher 8th, but hasn't embraced the rest of the lineup studies.

Basically said, if he went to the trouble to research lineup construction and then try it out...why does he hit Pujols first?

While I like the idea of the pitcher batting 8th, I can't help but think it's more of a gimmick for TLR rather than some sort of genius.

Likewise with the Brewers.  Hitting the pitcher 8th and Kendall 9th seems great...but they are going to stick Cameron in the 2-hole.  

by RedbirdRay on Mar 11, 2008 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

EDIT
"why does he hit Pujols third"...not first.

by RedbirdRay on Mar 11, 2008 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it might
be just that Tony thinks that Ankiel might have the best chance to succeed in this spot.  He's a first pitch fastball hitter and he's likely to get a lot of those hitting between AP and Glaus.

by eglasier on Mar 11, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hitting 2nd
I would think one is more likely to get first pitch fastballs hitting in front of Pujols as opposed to behind.  My preference would be for Rick to hit 2nd: power and speed ahead of Pujols.

by jjray on Mar 11, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan
At this point I would rather have Duncan bat in the 2 hole if TLR feels he needs a power bat there.  Duncan will actually get on base, and I don't think Ankiel will get on enogh. See just because you bat ahead of Albert it does not mean the pitcher is going to throw meat balls.  I think it wouldn't take most MLB pitchers long to figure out you don't have to throw Ankie strikes to get him out.

by ICbirdfan on Mar 11, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Cards
or going to keep and play Duncan I would rather they hit him 2nd in front of Pujols. Don't have the stats but it seems to me to be the only place he has had success.

by ridgesee on Mar 11, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

joe sheehan
has another great article at BP, talking about lineup construction.  He makes a great point:

"What has happened is teams, and even managers such as Lou Piniella, have been trained to regard secondary offensive characteristics as more important than primary ones. Speed is a secondary offensive characteristic, and it always has been. Contact rate is a secondary characteristic. The primary ones are the ability to get on base and the ability to hit for power. How well a player does those two things should determine his lineup spot.

However, on the field you can see speed and you can't really see OBP, so speed gets elevated above OBP, to the detriment of a team."

he goes on to talk about the cubs probable lineup construction as an example of a worst-case scenario.  Ankiel #2 would be another, imho.  If contact rate and speed are secondary characteristics, pitch recognition and "type-of-pitch-hitting ability" are at best tertiary characteristics (Sheehan does not use the word "tertiary"; i've sort of inferred it) and really shouldn't be used to move a guy around in the order.  

FWIW, even if we accept that the #2 hitter sees more fastballs and that it's easier to hit in front of Albert than behind him, something i disagree with strongly, Ankiel was an awful hitter against fastballs last year, batting .200 with a .400 SLG; he did most of his damage against sinkers, curves and change-ups.  

I should add, one thing I find missing from this and every lineup study I've seen is the effect of GIDP's on offensive production.  The difference between the best and worst lineups possible over the course of a season is less than 15 runs, according to tango, and that small amount can easily be wiped away by a dozen extra GDP's (or less).  BIP/contact type is probably another tertiary characteristic, since contact rate is itself secondary, but is something that could have a lot of importance and might actually cause someone like ludwick, who rarely GIDPs, to bat 5th instead of 1st to put a guy with a slightly lower OBP who hits a lot of ground balls in a place where he is less likely to kill a rally.

by SleepyCA on Mar 11, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd push Ankiel back
Ankiel's biggest liability would appear to be on-base ability.  Biggest strength is probably power.  Based off those assumptions I want guys with a better on base percentage sitting in front of Pujols.  

Pujols is the guy most likely to drive in guys on base.  And it doesn't matter as much if they are on first, second, or third base with him.   It seems you both minimizing Ankiel's weaknesses and better leveraging his strengths if you push him further back.  

Sometime I think we as fans are so emotionally tied to seeing Ankiel succeed that our first instinct is to put him where he might have the best chance.  And that very well might be 2nd because he'll see a few extra fastballs.  But I really don't think that would be best for the team.  

by Merry CRasmus on Mar 11, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

From a personal standpoint
I sure hope Ned Yost bats the pitcher 8th at some points this season. Why? Because my least favorite PxP guy in baseball, the Brewers Jim Powell, had a snarmy, condescending, and self righteous rant about Tony LaRussa during the Brewer-Cardinal broadcasts.

Basically saying how stupid the idea is, how Tony only does it because he thinks hes smarter, etc, etc. Now, Jim, what say you when your homerific Brewers and Ned Yost do the same thing? Is it still dumb?

Sorry for the rant. There are very few media people I don't like--but Jim Powell is one of them.

SUBURBS: Where Americans cut down trees and then name streets after them.

by beanocook on Mar 11, 2008 9:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lineup intrigues
Today's Lineup per Bird Land: http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/bird-land/bird-land/2008/03/lineup-311-impromptu-doubleheader/

   1. Skip Schumaker, LF
   2. Cesar Izturis, SS
   3. Colby Rasmus, CF
   4. Rick Ankiel, RF
   5. D'Angelo Jimenez, 3B
   6. Chris Duncan, 1B
   7. Yadier Molina, C
   8. Todd Wellemeyer, RHP
   9. Adam Kennedy, 2B

This is very intersting, considering the LR match ups, LSLLSLRRL that is a VERY left handed lineup.  Also there is an intrasquad game today, Minor Leaguers in the field, Miles batting 3rd, Parisi vs Thompson on the mound.

by StLHugo on Mar 11, 2008 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i just thought...
That could be the everyday line up, except put glaus in for jimenez, if big al goes down. I could really see it after the all- star brake.
"Textbooks are Soviet propaganda" - Rev. Jerry Falwell

by elirock83 on Mar 11, 2008 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Albert
went down, the lineup would (I hope) look like this:

1.Rasmus, CF
2.Barton/ Ludwick, LF
3.Duncan, 1b
4.Glaus, 3b
5.Ankiel, RF
6.Kennedy, 2b
7.Molina, C
8.Pitcher
9.Ryan, SS

by JMedwick on Mar 11, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope to God...
Iz2 never bats higher than 7th during the season.  I'm sure he will, but the guy has proven nothing offensively to this point.  In AL games can the DH hit for the SS...Wainwright certainly is a better hitter than Iz2.
Thanks for the highlight moments 15 and 27!!!

by cardzfanbub on Mar 11, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a little misleading.
I don't see how you can justify that statement.  Cesar Izturis is an established major league hitter.  He has proven, as you say, plenty of things.  

He has proven that he can post a sub .300 OBP.  

He has proven that he has absolutely no ability to drive the ball with authority.  

He has proven that he considers plate discipline an annoying fad.  

He has proven that, no matter how fat a pitch, he'll find a way to pop it up.  

So you can say Cesar Izturis is a punch and Judy hitter if you must.  You can say he's undisciplined and unskilled.  You can even say he's the worst itter you've ever seen if you must.  But when you start throwing around adjectives like unproven, sir, I just cannot let that stand!  

"Hello, Cleveland!"

by the red baron on Mar 11, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RB...
I stand corrected.

Thanks for pointing out the error of my ways.  It was unfair of me to say that he is unproven as he has spent the better part of three seasons proving his ability as you outlined.

Thanks for the highlight moments 15 and 27!!!

by cardzfanbub on Mar 11, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So does this mean that Mr. RBI
Brian Barton won't get any playing time in today's game against the Os, since he is hitting in the intrasquad game?

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats what I assume
Thats how I see it.  The intrasquad game will be intriguing too since the same lineup will just keep revolving no matter who is pitching.  I think it gives Barton a chance to get more ABs then he would normally, that could be a very good thing for him.

by StLHugo on Mar 11, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yost
Com'on LB, give the guy some credit for trying something "new".
The St. Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champions!

by Zubin on Mar 11, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The upgrade is excellent!!!
I've seen Athletics Nation and it's gonna be great!!! I suspect that most people here will love it...Glad that we Cardinal fans have some "pull" within SB Nation to get our site on the fast track to upgrade!!!

by tbell61 on Mar 11, 2008 11:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice 5 questions
Well done witht the hardball times article, Larry.  I like how you managed to squeeze many questions out of the five that were alloted.  

i sure am curious to see who's the wheat and who's the chaff over the next three weeks.  heck, during the whole season for that matter.

by mdarshan on Mar 11, 2008 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice work LB
You articulated the state of the franchise as well as anything I've read this Spring.

Well done.

(although technically the last half century would have to include the back to back losing seasons in 1958 and 1959 - sorry to nitpick, but facts are facts)

by musial6 on Mar 11, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Over/Under
On whether the poll numbers would be as skewed if it asked whether we preferred mostly nude swimsuit models or chippendales.

by liam on Mar 11, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Strikeout twins
Runners on 1st and 2nd 1 out, Ankiel Ks
Basesloaded 2 out, Duncan Ks
No runs score.  Man that hurts to see.  Hope they get better at driving in runs in those situations.  Well Duncan needs to start hitting the ball a .077 average won't cut it.

by StLHugo on Mar 11, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

78.5 wins?
In my opinion, best-case scenario for the Cards is only 4-5 wins more than that.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Mar 11, 2008 1:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am so all over
the under on this like you cannot believe.

by LuBrock20 on Mar 11, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've grown tired
of DeWitt et al  and their Marie Antoinette-like attitude(let them eat cake) toward the fanbase. Just because you have more money than me doesn't make you better or smarter than me; it just makes you richer.  I've always loathed, and held in contempt, people who feel the need to talk down to others, or who treat people as if our society was a true caste system. And that's the way ownership has treated us, as fans, for several years now. We are not stupid; we can see what's happening. And that's what irks me the most, I guess. It's almost as if they're saying "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. We(ownership) are the great and powerful Oz!"  
"The moment we want to believe something, we suddenly see all the arguments for it, and become blind to the arguments against it."

by cardsrul on Mar 11, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but there's no sense crying over every mistake
you just keep on trying until you run out of cake

by azruavatar on Mar 11, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you like a $9 beer to go with your cake?
You can have your cake and beer while sitting in seats you can buy from already rich people who don't want to use their seats.  Please do, so Bill can get another fee off of that.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buy?
You don't need to buy them, you can just go sit in them.
With no evidence to the contrary: Colby Rasmus is clutch.

by joker24 on Mar 11, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was that a limerick?
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller

by fourstick on Mar 11, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not even angry
I'm being so sincere right now
even though you broke my heart and killed me
and torn into pieces
and threw every piece into a fire
as they burned it hurt because I was so happy for you!
Now these points of data make a wonderful line
and we're out of beta, we're releasing on time
so I'm glad I got burned

by azruavatar on Mar 11, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About your post...
I'm making a note here...
Huge success!

(By the way, did you hear this song is going to be DLC for Rock Band?  That rules.)

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 11, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just what this site needs
A modern day Shakeysphere.

by ridgesee on Mar 11, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weighted Companion Cube
"And remember when we pretended that we were going to murder you. That was pretty funny."
That said, the Cubs do deserve my pity, but never my support.

by Solanus on Mar 12, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This line up is depressing
that is all.
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 11, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i guess the gameday dudes
fell asleep during our half of the 3rd inning?  Luckily for them, it appears nothing happened...

by SleepyCA on Mar 11, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah, it updated
5 BB's and a hit in 3 innings, and no runs.  That's actually kind of impressive; almost feels like TLR declared today a "plate discipline working day" or something.

6 BB's now. GJ, duncan.

by SleepyCA on Mar 11, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Off Topic
I remember a while back seeing a website where you could plug in players and their OBP's (OPS's?) and it would generate best lineups for you. I just kinda want to play around on it. Does anyone know that site? I've been trying to find it on google, but nothing's coming up. Thanks.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Mar 11, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Toy Says
that this line-up somehow should score 3.010 runs, on average.  I'll believe that when I see it.
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 11, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Link
here
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 11, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm really glad we didn't try to get Alexei
Ramirez this off-season.  He's been a total bust in the White Sox camp.

NOT!</borat>

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ramirez
He has NOT!! been a bust in White Sox camp.
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Mar 11, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gack! It hurts!
The White Sox get A.Ramirez, SS, .385 .520 .360
27 yr.

Houstoncardinal gets the prescience award.  

The cardinals get Cesar Izturis.

Did I mention "Gack!"

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 11, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I was a believer in Alexei as well.  I think we blew having our SS of the future.

Also, BluesDrummer85 deserves some love too.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spreading the love
Sorry.  Your comments didn't come up in my search.  Y'all three can share the much coveted Prescience Award.  You can rotate it, four months a year for each.  
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 11, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like the Stanley Cup
I'm taking it with me to dinner and then plan on sleeping with it, not figurativly.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i want a cookie
;)

I think everyone saw this about the same time; surely the guys in the front office saw it.  I cannot for the life of me understand why we handed Iz2 $3M and didn't even talk to this guy, who signed a 4 year contract for less than aaron miles money.

play skip at second base.

by SleepyCA on Mar 11, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh patience
Still don't like his swing, has walked once and it's 25 ABs in spring training.  Not that I think Izturis was a better sign, don't get too excited about Ramirez.  I'll still be here in 2 months when he's hitting .360 ready to eat crow...
With no evidence to the contrary: Colby Rasmus is clutch.

by joker24 on Mar 11, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if he hits .250
in two months, he'll be an improvement over Izturis.

It's just another example of this organization's failures at player evaluation.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posed this question to the PD
for tomorrow's live chat with Mo. Think it'll get answered?

Why did the organization pursue spending $3 M on Cesar Izturis, a player who is struggling to even make the 25-man roster out of Spring Training and seemed to show no interest in Cuban star Alexei Ramirez?  Ramirez was a powerhitting SS/CF for the Cuban national team with the ability to also play 2B.

The White Sox signed him for 4 years/$5 M and he has been doing what he was expected to: tear the cover off the ball this spring.

So, why is it the White Sox were able to see what Ramirez could become and get him for fairly cheap and the Cardinals were more comfortable signing a part-time player that was discarded by two other organizations inside our own division and believed he could be an impact starter?  Do you think this shows a serious flaw in the organization's ability to evaluate talent from outside the United States?

Bet not.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a chance in hell
that question gets answered.  This is the PD, man...my wife, who only listens to KTRS and doesn't go to VEB, thinks Iz2 is a light hitting Ozzie Smith - it boils down to the PR you listen to.

They won't be controversial...although I'd like to ask Mo about a lot of things...

"The Food Channel: Porn for fat people"

by bukowski on Mar 11, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colby Rasmus went to second base
between pitches without us making contact with the ball or it getting past the catcher?

What is that called?  Is this something new Tony invented where we take a base without putting the ball in play?

Seems awful risky to me.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ron Villone in
Oh, the Humanity!  

By the way, this is a bad offense.  I know its ST and all, but I'm starting to get really worried.  

"Hello, Cleveland!"

by the red baron on Mar 11, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The sky isn't ver blue but it's not falling either
Thank you for your Hardball Times piece, Larry. It's an excellent read.  I disagree with the dismal projections many are making for the Cardinals though. Those projections seem to be based on analyses with two gaps - an underestimation of the importance of certain patterns and trends in skill development and the impact of injuries.

For example, I'd bet that Chris Duncan (recovered from the hernia that hindered him the second half of last season) will perform much better this year than PECOTA and others predict, just as it was predictable that Mark Mulder would underperform with the Cardinals after his performance took a serious dive his last few months with Oakland.  Performance patterns over time are anything but linear when injuries interfere.  

Learning and growth curves aren't linear either.  They generally accelerate at some points and flatten out at other points.  In some cases they make quantum leaps.  For example, a mediocre pitcher suddenly becomes a future Hall of Famer by adding a new pitch (Bruce Sutter); or a potentially excellent hitter makes a leap in performance by starting to hit line drives to all fields rather than continuing the habit of upper cutting and pulling the ball (many examples); or a hitter with almost no power adopts the strategy of hitting line drives rather than putting the ball into the air and thus makes enough improvement in his ability to get on base to become another future Hall of Famer (Ozzie Smith, who turned into a respectable hitter and later a very solid contact hitter with the Cardinals, immediately after three years of pathetic hitting performance with the Padres .211 BA/.260 OBP, .230 BA/.313 OBP, and .222 BA/.294 OBP).

Players who I believe will outperform the linear predictions for them from PECOTA and the like include

Chris Duncan.  He was hindered by a hernia the second half last year.

Rick Ankiel.  His hitting dived after the HGH report last year.

Adam Kennedy.  It is predictable that he will benefit from positive regression to the mean, alone.  He was also hindered last year by an ailing knee.  Kennedy had 3 HR in 65 AB after the All-Star break, 0 HR in 214 AB before the ASB.

Cesar Izturis.  His pattern of career performance is anything but linear.  His hitting was extremely weak his first two years (though not as bad as Ozzie Smith's first four years); Cesar's excellent glove got him to MLB before he had developed sufficiently as a hitter.  Then he suddenly became a respectable hitter in his third full ML season.  His hitting was excellent in his fourth season over the first 200 AB's; then he began suffering from a series of ailments and his hitting took a deep dive.  Then his hitting was very weak again when he returned to a series of irregular, part-time roles that may have prevented him from getting his timing and confidence back.  Despite his impotent hitting in his first 22 AB's (only 2 hits), it remains to be seen how Cesar will respond to regular AB's again.  He may completely flop as a hitter, but it's too early to judge.

Adam Wainwright.  His performance last year showed a major improvement in the second half.  He adjusted to the league much more effectively than the league adjusted to him.  A linear projection based on his overall performance last year misses the quantum improvement in his performance after he made some key adjustments at the end of May last year.

Joel Pineiro.  His sudden improvement in pitching performance after he joined the Cardinals can be attributed to a shift in his delivery that prevents him from tipping his pitches and a shift in his approach to pitching, under Dave Duncan's coaching.  It is predictable that Pineiro will perform better this year than he has in the last few years.

There is one important player who can be reasonably expected to underperform, compared with the projections:

Braden Looper.  He was awful after April last year.  He was awful right to the last month of the season.  Looper does not belong in the rotation.  Thompson, Wellemeyer, Reyes, even one of the AAA prospects would be a much better choice.

The bottom line?  I'm betting that the Cardinals will play .500 ball this year.  (And I agree with you and others that I'd like to see them go all out in rebuilding this year, rather than pretending they can outrun the Cubs and Brewers or, possibly, even the Reds.)

by CardsWin on Mar 11, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Middle infield woes
I agree the middle infield is one of the weakest parts of this team, along with the starting rotation.  I'm not saying I expect Kennedy to be great, just much better than last year.  And Izturis is a big question mark, too, obviously.  I'd much rather have seen the Cards take a bold gamble on Alexei Ramirez than Cesar Izturis.  But Ryan is a solid backup for either Adam or Cesar, and Ryan has looked good this spring.  He seems to be getting better, as one would expect at his age and point of development.  Among those three, I'm hopeful the middle infield will be respectable, at least.  

by CardsWin on Mar 11, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

John Rooney just gave George Constanza's
full job description with the Yankees off-hand.  That's a pretty nice talent you've got there, John!

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WoW Yadi is starting to hit
AVG up to .185, higher then Izturis and Duncan.  .500 so far today.

by StLHugo on Mar 11, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yadi's one hit away from mendoza
and hopefully Jimenez K'd himself over to minor league camp today...
play skip at second base.

by SleepyCA on Mar 11, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AK singles again
Gotta give credit where credit is due... he's up to 296 now.  I haven't seen a SP game yet so I'm not sure how "quality" his hits actually are though.
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by stltrav09 on Mar 11, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AK
I actually really like AK and want him to succeed, Izturis I am not sold on at all at this time.  I am just not as vocal supporting AK as some are at trashing him but I think he will turn it around and return to his career norms.

by StLHugo on Mar 11, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in complete agreeance with you
I loved the AK signing and even after last year, I was still confident he could turn it around.  His slow start in SP has raised some doubts recently with me.

Izzy... he was the laughing stock of the Cubs last year and all my Cub friends laughed at me when he was signed.  

Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 11, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is gameday frozen?
Anybody know what's happened after the AK single?
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Mar 11, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

schumaker single
Ak at 3rd

LaRue walked,

Rasmus K'd.

Bases loaded 1 out.

by enoscountry on Mar 11, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh Rasmus
I just don't think he's ready.  I was hoping he would be but it was just wishful thinking.

Please keep us updated!!

Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 11, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed
I can see the upside to Rasmus starting - the SBs today for instance.

But his inconsistencies at this point suggest AAA is  where he belongs to start the season.

by enoscountry on Mar 11, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

even the best players
make outs 6 times out of 10...

I'm only worried about his defense; he'd be a good hitter, right now, and he seems to have good base running skills.

play skip at second base.

by SleepyCA on Mar 11, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm
he's 1 for 3 with 2 walks and 2 steals today. He has a 350 obp in ST so far with as many walks as Ks and a slg% over .500

Exactly which part of his ST play has you doubting his abilities?

by Birds on the Matt on Mar 11, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you responding to
stltrav09 and enos?  I think i just said he'd be a good hitter, right now...  

However, I do think his defensive skills have been overstated.  And his style bugged me at first, but that's something that is probably more a reflection of my high expectations than a failing in Colby.

play skip at second base.

by SleepyCA on Mar 11, 2008 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry
was responding to trav

by Birds on the Matt on Mar 11, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
his numbers look good, but then he cannot make contact with the bases loaded and no outs. The game before (March 9) he K'd twice and left 4 runners on base. Plus his numbers have been trending down as the spring has gone on.

There's no doubt he's good, but he hasn't been outshining his competitors exactly (Schumaker, Barton).

by enoscountry on Mar 11, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure
this guy (Rasmus) is for real.  His BA is only .231 but look a little deeper.  His OBP this spring is .412.  He leads the team in walks w/ 8 -- 2 more than Albert.  He's 3 for 3 stealing bases and is the only person other than Albert to have more than 1 homer.

He may not be ready for the big leagues now but he's very close and he's going to be very good when he arrives.  I'm not sure who he's gotten his hits and walks off of but this guy is going to be really good.

by chuckb on Mar 11, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me edit that
I meant "I'm not sure (about your comment above)."  "This guy, Rasmus, is for real."  I made it sound as if I didn't think Rasmus was legit.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  He is legit.  No question about it.

by chuckb on Mar 11, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

luddy and jimenez
both line out to the infield.  Tough luck; apparently ludwick's was a screamer.
play skip at second base.

by SleepyCA on Mar 11, 2008 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw jimenez
lined out on a 2-0 pitch, with the bases loaded.  Hrumph.
play skip at second base.

by SleepyCA on Mar 11, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ugg
It wasn't 3-0 but still man that sucks.

by StLHugo on Mar 11, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, just exasperation
You have a chance to win a game by taking a walk, you make them throw you a strike before you swing, imho.  Especially once you're halfway there, and it's raining.
play skip at second base.

by SleepyCA on Mar 11, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I get a pitch I can handle in that
spot, 2-0, I'm swinging too.  We're ragging the guy because he wasn't looking for a walk in that spot?

Remember, this is ST. Jimenez' ONLY chance to make this team is to show some stick in a spot like that.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 11, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree
It's all about the TEAM getting the win, not "making me the hero."

A walk = good guys win.

You gotta take the first strike.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 11, 2008 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spring
Spring Training is all about making the team for these guys, so for this time of the year when games don't count there does seem to be an I in Team.  Just the reality.

by StLHugo on Mar 11, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

blazing saddles
mel brooks
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Mar 11, 2008 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice sig
Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 11, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
bases loaded no outs and we can't bring home the winning run.

Extras today or a tie?

Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 11, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Extras
Looks like Extras.  You are right, wow, a K and two lineouts.  Too bad Rasmus couldn't bring in the winning run that would have been nice for him even if he doesn't make the big club.

by StLHugo on Mar 11, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling
it's gonna be a looooooooooong season.....
Cardinal fan in the heart of Braves country

by Mr Redbird on Mar 11, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Flo sets 'em down rather quickly
Good to see.

Pinch hit Albert and let's go home : )

Unofficial President of the Skip Schumaker Fan Club

by stltrav09 on Mar 11, 2008 4:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ends in tie game
nice job of leaving alot of men on base today.  Sounds like 2006 and 2007 all over again.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 4:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Say it with me
26 LOB
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 11, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

5 Questions
Fabulous job, Larry. Explicates the problems facing the team and the fans. Even though I see all these things, I still voted for the over in the wins poll.

by vinniefromjersey on Mar 11, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Want to see a study in 'old view' in baseball?
Look at Gordo's story today on Skippy.  He makes the case that Skip has excelled at every level he has played based on his batting average.

Not only that, but he doesn't even make that compelling of a case.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 11, 2008 11:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's why they call him...
"The Hockey Guy". Or maybe he calls himself that. Someone does, I think that's the name of his blog.

by DiscoJer on Mar 12, 2008 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kyle Lohse
Post-Dispatch makes it appear that the Cardinals have made inquires about Kyle Lohse but then doesn't really explain that statement with any quotes or any discussion about him.

by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2008 4:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also interesting:
After his game yesterday, Jered Weaver told some reporters that the Nationals and the Cardinals were interested in his brother. Yet the P-D makes no mention of this.  Is Jered mistaken or the Post-Dispatch out of the loop?  I wonder...

by cardsgirl95 on Mar 12, 2008 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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