The Izzy Conundrum
The Winter of Discontent continues here in Cardinaltown. Just in case you haven't seen it yet, Tony came out once again, guns a blazin'. His target this time was Adam Kennedy. (Although, one could argue his real target was us, since he's essentially threatening us with more Aaron Miles.) Tony comes out and blasts Kennedy for, among other things, missing the Winter Warmup:
"...he needs to make sure he dots all the I's, and not coming to this weekend is, I hope, his first and only mistake."
I can understand Tony's frustration, and I can even understand his bluntness with what he felt was a player who didn't show up in the way the club needed him to. But is this really the situation the club needs now? Tony seems to be making a habit of calling players out even more regularly than usual as of late; I'm not sure if he feels he lost the clubhouse last year and is trying to reassert authority, if he feels as if the whole organisation is his to run now that everyone who didn't properly kiss his ass is gone, or if he's just flat out gone batshit. Honestly, I don't particularly care, either. Tony, whatever motivational technique it is that you think you're mastering here, I sincerely doubt it's going to work. Taking a guy to task for bad performance privately? Okay, good idea. Writing letters questioning the heart of a player, throwing a fit over a player not showing up for a glorified autograph session, and declaring publicly that you regret giving said player the benefit of the doubt last year? That I have a little bit of a problem with. I don't want to go down the road of all the problems I have with LaRussa at this point, but I really do wish he would stop airing all of the club's, and his own, dirty laundry, in public. I just don't think it's productive, and it's definitely kind of bush league. More baseball dynasty, less TV Dynasty.
We also have Albert tossing reporters out of his press conference. Don't get me wrong, I actually applaud Albert for his stand on this one. KTVI still refuses to admit any wrongdoing, claiming they were simply reporting what information was out there. That's fine, you can report the news, but don't send reporters to the man's restaurant and ask them what they think about Albert being a steroid cheat. I'm fully behind Pujols bringing some small consequences home to them. Even so, just another very unhappy corner of our baseball world.
In fact, the only player who seems to be really happy about things is Jason Isringhausen. During his Winter Warmup press conference, Izzy publicly pronounced, among other things, that he would exercise his no trade clause to block any potential deal. He also nixed the idea of his retirement being imminent.
"As long as I do my job, I'll be happy. I want to stay here."
All right. Now, I'm the first guy to applaud a player who genuinely seems to want to play for a specific team. A player who isn't interested in the typical mercernary behaviour we've come to expect from our athletes is a rare commodity, in my opinion. It's refreshing. I'm also at the head of the line to give all the kudos in the world to Izzy. After some of the nasty things I said about him in 2006, as well as some of the nasty things that I thought but didn't vocalise, I owe it to the man. He's healthy, and he's proven his worth. However, with all of those positive, feel good vibrations that I've got going toward Isringhausen, his current stance presents the club with a very sticky situation.
I think that most of us can agree that the 2008 St. Louis Cardinals are not a great bet to be a real contender. Lots of people think they could be competitive, and there may be some truth to that. But even the most optimistic among us have to be aware that it isn't going to be an easy road this season. The division is rapidly getting better around the Cardinals, and they're in a transition period. So, we're looking at a team that is a marginal contender, with an eight million dollar closer. Does a team in that position really need to be spending that on a commodity that will probably be seriously underutilised by the club? It's a tough question, and one that I'm not really sure I can answer satisfactorily, even just to myself.
The real conundrum we have here is because of Izzy's absolute desire to play here, and pretty much only here. Ordinarily, a team that falls out of contention, with an elite closer in the last year of a deal, would be an excellent bet to do one thing and one thing only: trade him. A top tier closer is a luxury that a non contending team simply doesn't need; the return they can get for such a valuable piece can often go a long way toward turning around the fortunes of a struggling team. In this case, however, Isringhausen is on record, declaring he won't allow himself to be traded. Okay, that's fine. He can just finish out his term here, move on with our everlasting gratitude and best wishes, and the Cardinals can reap the bounty that such a high quality free agent will bring, in the form of the draft picks.
Hold on.
See, this is where this situation gets really interesting. Izzy has proven, by words and actions, that he really doesn't have any real desire to go anywhere else. Given that fact, if the Cards really wanted to expunge him from the payroll at the end of the year, can they possibly risk offering him arbitration? To me, the answer is no. I think, if you offer Izzy arbitration, he'll just accept it. I think he would be happy to get paid market value for his services, while continuing to play where he wants to be. If the Cards really didn't want him back for 2009, they can't offer him arbitration. Of course, that means they don't get the draft picks that would help them bring in the players to turn this ship around. So, at this point, it looks to me as if the Cardinals flat out cannot get rid of Izzy, if they hope to get any kind of return at all for his departure. If you offer him arb., with the hope of reaping the draft pick bounty, he accepts. If you really want to get him off the books, you have to accept that you're going to get absolutely nothing for him.
So, what course of action can the Cardinals possibly pursue? Should they keep Izzy around? He does appear to be healthy, and when he's healthy, he's still a hell of a closer. On the other hand, they do have a whole lot of bullpen arms coming along very soon, including a couple who look as if they could definitely be closer candidates. Do they let him walk? At that point, they get absolutely nothing. Bupkes.  Not even draft picks. What say you, denizens of Viva El Birdos?
Personally, I would argue for keeping Izzy around. It's strange for me to be arguing in this direction. I'm usually all about making the most extreme moves you can to get younger and cheaper; I think these half assed rebuilding jobs tend to end up leading to years of in between, mediocre or worse teams. And, as I said earlier, the kind of drain that Izzy puts on a payroll is hard to justify for a team on the fringes of contention. So why do I feel this way?
I love the Cards' bullpen prospects. I really do. I think they've got several guys who could step in and do a very nice job this second, and they're only going to get better. But what's the problem with Chris Perez being a setup man for awhile? Or Jason Motte handling the seventh, rather than the eighth? To my mind, absolutely nothing. I have a tough time justifying to myself the financial outlay for Isringhausen, but I also think that a bullpen, composed of those kinds of terrifying arms, could go a long way toward making the team competitive. A bullpen that can shut down literally the last three or even four innings can make a starting rotation look a whole lot better than it actually is. To me, this is the sort of bet-hedging that could actually work out beautifully for the team in the next few years. Particularly once you take out the salaries the Cards are paying to the Russ Springers and Franklinsteins of the world and replace them with affordable, early arbitration year salaries, suddenly the bullpen isn't a huge investment anymore. If Izzy is really as serious as he sounds about staying here in St. Louis, then he should be signable for a reasonable deal. I'm not saying you lowball him out of the negotiating room, but he shouldn't be looking to break the bank if he's that passionate about staying.
To me, keeping a guy like Izzy around to provide stability and solidity at the back end of a bullpen isn't a bad thing. It's a luxury this team may not necessarily need this year, or even next, but if the alternative is watching such a talented ballplayer walk away without getting anything in return for him, I don't have a problem with putting gold rims on a Pinto.
At the very least, we'll know there's at least one guy who's really happy to be here.
Next week, I think I'm going to start profiling some of the players we may be looking at when the Cards make their pick in the June draft. I'm not going to do them all at once, so I want to get started on them pretty soon.
One last thing. I met a gypsy not too long ago, and I totally stole her crystal ball from her. As a result, I'm going to start looking into the future, once a week, and see what's on the horizon for our favourite baseball team. So, without further ado, I present,
Great Moments in Redbirds Future History!
August 12, 2008
A rash of athlete's foot is reported among the players. It is eventually traced back to Jason LaRue, and he is fined $50 by the team's kangaroo court and ordered to buy new shower shoes for the team. He sheepishly does so, and laughs are shared by all. Over the following days, all thirteen players who have caught the fungus visit team doctor George Paletta to get a prescription for some cream to knock it out. Sadly, there are no survivors.
This has been a Great Moment in Redbird Future History.
Today's tournament of champions results are directly below.
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Make it stop
by joker24 on Jan 23, 2008 10:00 AM EST 0 recs
well
by moboiler on
Jan 23, 2008 10:15 AM EST
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Me Too
by tarakas on
Jan 23, 2008 10:29 AM EST
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I just have
by cardsrul on
Jan 23, 2008 10:57 AM EST
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grandpa tony
Grampa: "I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missoura!"
by Fitz on
Jan 23, 2008 11:19 AM EST
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Detriment of Aaron Miles
I'm starting to lean toward the batshit assesment, and I'm a TRL guy, at least I was but I've sent the jury back out.
by That's a Winner on
Jan 23, 2008 11:19 AM EST
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I'm also a TRL guy
by cardzfan24 on
Jan 23, 2008 1:29 PM EST
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If Izzy plays well
I really believe, however, that someone will offer him at least 3 years at the end of the season.
by houstoncardinal on Jan 23, 2008 10:16 AM EST 0 recs
I have to agree...
by cardzfanbub on
Jan 23, 2008 10:35 AM EST
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I agree
If not, we'll still need a closer. If he performs well enough to keep type A status, then you either have him for another year or get the picks. If he drops to B, then maybe it's moot.
by plh903 on
Jan 23, 2008 10:58 AM EST
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By that first
by plh903 on
Jan 23, 2008 10:59 AM EST
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we can only hope
by moboiler on Jan 23, 2008 10:17 AM EST 0 recs
Izzy's body has rarely passed up
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 23, 2008 10:23 AM EST 0 recs
I SO hope you are right
I don't call protecting a 2-run lead... by giving up a walk and a few hits and a run, only to be bailed out by some defensive gem from Yadi or Pooh or someone else... as being the work of a "closer."
by the Tewk on
Jan 23, 2008 6:47 PM EST
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I hear you......
To most he looks like the last guy on the block to be the jock, but the bullpen and position players look up to this guy and the way he guts it out, no exceptions I can see.
He's one of the focal team leaders no matter how many times he puts us thru 9th inning hell, hes out there to do one thing and thats win, come hell, high water or hip injury yada yada.
Also, I wouldnt take any talk about his no trade clause too seriously if the Cards are fighting to hold 4th place in Aug and the first place Yanks (insert other winner here) come knocking.
by cardschinmusic on
Jan 24, 2008 8:23 AM EST
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Well it worked for the Blues
I don't know how different the FA structure is in Hockey as apposed to Baseball, but it worked for the Blues. I am sure there was some communications between the parties (it's not player tampering if it happens before the player leave your organization.)
Maybe Izzy would be interested in it, never hurts to ask.
by Stan and Slaughter on Jan 23, 2008 10:35 AM EST 0 recs
I like this one!!
If Izzy is healthy all year he will surely be a type A.
by cardzfanbub on
Jan 23, 2008 10:40 AM EST
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the problem is
by Birds on the Matt on Jan 23, 2008 10:41 AM EST 0 recs
Actually,
Again, I don't have links, but I believe there was talk about moving him at the trade deadline last season, which he nixed. He told management he would exercise his no trade clause to avoid being moved.
I won't swear that my memory is correct, and I don't have the time to look it up right now, but I think his actions last year supported the things he's saying now.
by the red baron on
Jan 23, 2008 10:50 AM EST
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Your memory
by rockin redbird on
Jan 23, 2008 12:53 PM EST
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I tend to lean toward
by Handsome Jimmy on Jan 23, 2008 10:42 AM EST 0 recs
Astros (Circa 2001?)
In 2001, they had Billy Wagner in his prime saving 39 games while finishing 58. They also had Dotel for the 8th (with a better ERA+ than Wagner) and Powell and Cruz for the 7th (I believe) both pitching well.
In 2002, they had Wagner, again being set up by Dotel. Also, Tom Gordon and Ricky Stone were in the pen with good ERA+ and decent peripherals.
In 2003, Wagner was probably had his best season with the Stros. Perhaps not coincidentally, his setup men that year also had great seasons. Dotel set him up mainly in the 8th. They had Lidge and Miceli, along with Stone having great years setting up in both the 7th and 8th. It was a beautiful thing to watch...if only you were an Astro fan. :( sigh
In 2004, Lidge was the closer now and had a tremendous year. Dotel stuck around as a sometimes closer, sometimes setup man. Miceli got promoted because he pitched so well in 2003 and was a primary setup man. Then, Qualls and Wheeler jumped onto the scene and were good as well.
If they Cardinals could get a few men (Franklin, Springer, Perez, Motte, Kinney, etc.) to pitch very well in the 8th and 7th, thus getting to Izzy...not only could the Cardinals have a decent season, but they could look well set up for the future with a stable bullpen.
stlfan
Of course, that gets us to another problem of getting to the setup men in the pen with the rotation that we could be putting together.
by stlfan on Jan 23, 2008 10:50 AM EST 0 recs
How does TLR saying this benefit the team
re: Miles
Anyone who didn't see shit like this coming when he was re-signed was being too optimistic. For whatever reason, TLR doesn't (appear to) have a realistic interpretation of Aaron Miles skillset. We'll see him receive another 400+ ABs and the disagreement over his value to the club will continue here.
Remind me again why we re-signed TLR?
by azruavatar on Jan 23, 2008 10:56 AM EST 0 recs
az
I find it funny that people think guys just randomly call up media people and say things. It's almost always in response to a question.
So if Tony is unhappy with Kennedy he's not supposed to say it? But then the same fans get mad that Tony isn't forthcoming with us. Again, we have no idea if/when Tony called Adam personally.
The standards get so confusing to me. Is he or is he not supposed to answer questions honestly when asked by a reporter? Or should he run it by us first, then decide how to answer.
by beanocook on
Jan 23, 2008 12:13 PM EST
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I don't care
Adam is a big boy, if he has a reason for not attending he will tell the media. Maybe he should have alerted the team as to why he was not going to be there. Maybe he did alert the team and no one told TLR.
Kennedy was horrible last year and I really don't see what he will give to the team his final two years of his contract. I figure he is blocking Ryan and Hoffpauir from an opportunity to play. Why is Adam Kennedy in 2009 going to help the team? Heck 2008 seems to be a wash so how does Kennedy help in 2008?
I did not know Kennedy would be this bad but I did wonder the day of the signing why the Cards picked him up.
by ICbirdfan on
Jan 23, 2008 12:20 PM EST
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Your right, I don't know whether he
We do, at this point, have a pretty good historical comparison with Rolen where those two individuals created such a toxic environment that one of them had to leave. I don't think anyone can deny that that was a two person problem and TLR's comments to the media only exacerbated the situation. Maybe TLR and Kennedy get along a lot better -- again, I don't know.
The problem I have is that TLR seems to lack a basic level of tact when answering some of these questions. If you find the right button to push that day, he'll give you an honest answer but at times it comes across as petty. I'd like for him to be honest about questions but you can do that without throwing people under the bus as well.
by azruavatar on
Jan 23, 2008 1:34 PM EST
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"the same fans"
Our entertainment dollars pay their salaries, so both are legitimate points. However, the same people don't usually take both positions, though there is no dissonance in simultaneously thinking TLR should talk less and that DeWitt etc should be more forthcoming, or in thinking that DeWitt should talk less and TLR should be more forthcoming, or that UFO's are actually time masheens.
by SleepyCA on
Jan 23, 2008 2:08 PM EST
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Excuse me, but.....
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"I can't imagine that most GMs would allow their manager to say something like that publicly"
Earl Weaver, Dick Williams, Leo Durocher, John McGraw, and Casey Stengel all beg to differ.
So do Whitey Herzog and Billy Martin.
by flynn on
Jan 23, 2008 2:04 PM EST
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7 people now constitute "most"
That's essentially what's happening here. It is unbecoming. It is unecessary. And most importantly, it's detrimental to the Cardinals.
by azruavatar on
Jan 23, 2008 2:36 PM EST
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sure
Coaches denegrate players in front of other players all the time. Nothing new there. None of us know how the Kennedy/TLR relationship has gone in the past....that makes it tough to know really whats going on.
At least tough for me anyway.
by beanocook on
Jan 23, 2008 2:53 PM EST
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Coach does not equal business supervisor
Your perogative, of course.
As for taking it to the press, that's been an avenue taken by managers, including the HOFers listed above, for years. Obviously in the view of HOF voters, those managers' actions weren't so detrimental as to keep them from winning a ton of games and gaining entrance to Cooperstown.
On the GM quote - not exactly the same topic, so it shouldn't have been lumped in with the HOF manager quip. (I'm saying my bad here, not yours.)
by flynn on
Jan 23, 2008 4:09 PM EST
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TLR is coming out to the public
And I have to wonder if you've ever had a job before where the manager goes around slamming people all the time. I have -- it didn't encourage me to work any harder. It did create a lot of hostility and resentment between the manager and other employees. Do you really envision a situation where Tony goes to AK about this and AK blows him off but when Tony says this to the press AK suddenly goes, "Well, I'm convinced. I'll try and do better." That sounds foolhardy to me.
by azruavatar on
Jan 23, 2008 5:39 PM EST
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as someone who
However, I can't get over the over-whelming fact that Adam Kennedy sucked horribly and gave ME every sign (watching him) that he will continue to suck.
A part of me (perhaps illogically) wants Tony to be even tougher. But NOT by inveighing about AK missing some social event.
How about Tony having the yarbels to tell the GM/owner, "we can't win with AK at 2b -- DO something."
by the Tewk on
Jan 23, 2008 7:04 PM EST
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Hurt feelings, big winners
And, in the spirit of backing up a point with proof that we love so much around here, I submit again the HOF managers (and many other non-HOF, but successful managers) who have utilized the technique of calling out players to the press. These guys made a few enemies along the way, but their teams won a lot of games and championships, which are all that really matter to most fans.
by flynn on
Jan 23, 2008 9:42 PM EST
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Completely agree
by RonGant on
Jan 23, 2008 7:40 PM EST
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Don't get me wrong
And that's my last post on the subject.
by Ray Lankford on
Jan 23, 2008 8:12 PM EST
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In Three Nights in August
If so, he is failing to follow his own standards. And TLR is all about following standards of behavior and principles--that is usually one of his strengths--so that makes this particularly disturbing.
by tarakas on
Jan 23, 2008 3:23 PM EST
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I applaud Tony L....
For years he'd continually pencil in Scott Rolen as the 4 or 5 in the lineup even after consistent disappearances in September and October (including multiple hitless performances in the playoffs) when alternatives to him hitting in such important spots existed. He finally held him accountable in 2006, benched him, which promptly lit a fit under his a$$ and eventually led to a productive Scott Rolen and a championship.
And Scott Rolen didn't handle it well. Too bad. He hit well, the team won and Rolen should have been satisified with the team's success. He wasn't. Not sorry to see him go.
Kudos to Tony. Sometimes I wonder if he took on this philosphy the cardinals would have more than 1 championship during his reign.
by yargs on Jan 23, 2008 11:08 AM EST 0 recs
Accountability vs. Public Embarrassment
by Ray Lankford on
Jan 23, 2008 11:17 AM EST
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ok then
I think Tony is looking for players who "want to be here". Missing a chance to mingle with fans and talk to the press is codetalk for "I don't care about the team or the team's image". On a younger, rebuilding ballclub you'd like to think that your veterans would set a nice example for the younger guys in how to be a professional, and Kennedy certainly didn't do that by missing this event.
As far as the threatening of Aaron Miles getting more playing time, go look at his numbers side by side with Kennedy last year and tell me that Kennedy was better for the ballclub. If Eckstein doesn't get hurt, Kennedy is riding the damn pine the entire second half of the season. I agree that the playing time SHOULD be going to younger players like Ryan and Hoffpauir, and hopefully someone will be in Tony's ear about stuff like that this season (I'm staring a hole in you Mo!).
by fourstick on
Jan 23, 2008 12:03 PM EST
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fourstick
Every single statistical analysis will show you that.
by beanocook on
Jan 23, 2008 12:15 PM EST
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I don't care
I guess I just disagree with your assertion that "well, because Kennedy was 'fucking HORRIBLE' last year, lambasting him in the media is OK because he needs a 'kick in the head.'" Yeah, he was horrible. But I wouldn't advocate publicly bashing an underperforming player for every miss-step they take -- that simply kills morale.
by Ray Lankford on
Jan 23, 2008 12:37 PM EST
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Ray
I'm not arguing--just seeing how you feel he should respond to the questions.
by beanocook on
Jan 23, 2008 12:52 PM EST
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The perfect response
Then, as soon as Tony is done, Tony calls up AK and says: "Where the F#$% are you boyo? Get your head right. You're a g'd StL Cardinal and we expect more from you."
by bukowski on
Jan 23, 2008 1:10 PM EST
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Yours is exactly the right response.
by Archaeopteryx on
Jan 23, 2008 1:21 PM EST
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Oh please
When you're working at Wal-Mart there isn't press constantly around to ask you questions about why you don't have enough cashiers or why your deli market guys isn't here to be interviewed and sign autographs. If you rip a bad employee in front of customer it does look unprofessional, when that employee isn't taking care of the customer and treating them unprofessionally you should step in and say something right? Not showing up to fan friendly activities isn't taking care of the customers, us. It's also not in the player's best interest and they ought to know questions like those asked of TLR are going to be asked if they don't show up. Had Kennedy released a statement saying he couldn't be there for personal reasons I'm fine with that. He didn't, and that makes it look like he just doesn't care. That's the essence of being unprofessional.
by fourstick on
Jan 23, 2008 3:33 PM EST
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Ball players are people.
Kennedy is not the first Cardinal who has been called out in the media--try Rolen, Edmonds, Encarnacion, Lankford, Marquis, Wells, Reyes, Rodriquez, and on and on and on.
Maybe there's a reason the Cards haven't been able to sign any top notch free agents the last couple of years.
by Archaeopteryx on
Jan 23, 2008 10:15 PM EST
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well that's some faulty logic...
You are making way too much out of this situation. Look at the reaction Tony had for Rick when he came up and belted a home run in his first weekend with the ballclub. Look at how he helped to shield Rick from the criticism surrounding the NY Times article implicating him in the PED scandal. He backs his players as much as he rips them, that's the sign of a good coach and a good motivator. He simply said "I'm disappointed he's not here. This is a statement we make to our fans: 'Thanks for coming out' and he's not here." Tony lives on the West Coast, makes less money than Kennedy and he showed up. Why shouldn't Kennedy do the same thing?
Outside of Scott Rolen, can you name one player who has publicly stated that he couldn't stand playing for Tony LaRussa? Remember also that Scott Rolen's pissed away two relationships with manager's up to this point in his career. He's 2 for 2! If we're going to talk about facts than stick with them.
by fourstick on
Jan 24, 2008 12:11 AM EST
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Ozzie Smith. Ron Gant.
All the things you say about LaRussa taking care of Ankiel are true. I also happen to think that, at his best, he's a brilliant and innovative field manager. That doesn't excuse his unprofessional habit of ripping his own players in the media.
As far as players not badmouthing LaRussa to the media--just turns out they're more professional about that sort of thing than he is. I remember when the Ron Gant debacle was going on, a reporter asked Brian Jordan (then with the Braves) for a comment on LaRussa. His response was something like, "No way I'm bad-mouthing LaRussa--I may want to play in St. Louis again some day."
by Archaeopteryx on
Jan 24, 2008 9:26 AM EST
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Agreed
I'm not arguing either, beano, but I just don't think that being asked a question is an excuse for an unprofessional response. We might disagree on whether Tony's response was unprofessional, but we can agree (I think) that quite a bit of posturing goes on with the public statements of the organization. ("we are going to be competitive," "this team will compete now," "Rolen and Tony have patched things up," "Mulder should be ready to return to 2004 form") Tony should have addressed this situation in a similar manner -- less venom is all I'd like to see. Simply saying "I don't know where Adam is but I'm sure he has a good reason for not being here" conveys the point subtly without conveying embarrassment.
Of course, we wouldn't be having this discussion if Adam had fulfilled his obligations and shown up like the rest of the team.
by Ray Lankford on
Jan 23, 2008 1:31 PM EST
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fair enough
I don't know where Kennedy falls. Im just pointing out the other option. Maybe all the "one on one" stuff wasn't working with AK and now its time to move to Plan B.
In the end, none of us know enough about the situation really.
by beanocook on
Jan 23, 2008 2:28 PM EST
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Don Tony
Tony stepped up to the plate and let his feelings be known publicly. Great! We know how he feels. Maybe AK deserved a good public butt-chewing. I have had my butt chewed in front of teammates before. I have watched my coaches eat guys alive in front of my teams before. It may not be the management style that I PREFER, but it definately works. It is a great way to find out where a player's heart is. Some players will just wilt. Others will "man-up". You have to know who you are dealing with. I have dealt, as a coach, with several very talented but unmotivated players. Eventually the last straw is to publicly chew them out. If you don't, your team and your fan base will begin to question your leadership skills. It is a great way to tell your players "Hey, shit or get off the pot!".
I argue that if the player feels demeaned and pouts after a public butt-chewing, then you really didn't want them on your team.
by Eckstreem on
Jan 23, 2008 3:32 PM EST
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being honest?
An honest response could be "I'm not sure where Adam is, I'll have to ask him."
No one is objecting to TLR talking to AK within the team context. It's his taking it public---yet again adding to these public soap operas that he seems all too willing to breathe life into---that some are objecting to.
It's like screaming at your kid in the mall in front of everyone instead of taking him back to the car to chew him out. That's not honesty, that's poor leadership.
by salvomania on
Jan 23, 2008 3:55 PM EST
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Fully agree
by Hungry Jack on
Jan 23, 2008 2:53 PM EST
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love your post, hj...
But it crystallized this evil thought (altho' a pleasant one too, for me) I have been having. Namely, what if LaRussa wants to get rid of Kennedy?
For that matter what if he wanted to get rid of Rolen?
Maybe some of us are psyching these cases out too much. Maybe Tony is more oblique and foxy than we imagine; that is, maybe he ISN'T being listened to by GM/owner as much as it often assumed, and he (Tony) has to resort to more nefarious procedures to get what he wants.
May be crazy, but it's a thought.
by the Tewk on
Jan 23, 2008 9:42 PM EST
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But was AK
by aet15 on
Jan 23, 2008 2:29 PM EST
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Re-signing TLR
by vinniefromjersey on Jan 23, 2008 11:14 AM EST 0 recs
Motivation a la LaRussa
by lightbulb on Jan 23, 2008 11:14 AM EST 0 recs
Genius
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