weekend discussion: ol' reliable
echoing the front office's recent hint that they're looking for another rotation swingman, derrick goold aptly observed yesterday that the cardinal rotation might be looking at an innings shortage for the second straight year. he rightly points out that the team is counting on two guys (mulder and clement) with rebuilt shoulders --- neither has pitched at a passable level since 2005, and either (or both) could get bombed out of the rotation by memorial day. accordingly, goold proposes that the cardinals should look into jeff weaver, who has a clean health record and generally has been reliable in the national league. his argument is that mere reliability can go a long way in the flimsy nl central --- and weaver offers more reliability than the current reinforcements, who include anthony reyes (if he's not traded), brad thompson, todd wellemeyer, mike parisi, and blake hawksworth.
i'm not convinced that weaver offers significantly greater short-term reliability than the options already on hand; anthony reyes has outpitched him the last couple of years. but if you think reyes is out of chances in this organization and the other pitchers aren't key parts of the future --- and those would be reasonable assessments --- then a healthy veteran on a one-year deal might help prop things up in 2008 without hurting the imperative to develop good young talent. whether or not you agree with those premises, just go with them for a moment: if you could get any available free-agent pitcher on a one-year deal, who would you sign? remember, the sought-after commodity is reliability. goold's not looking for somebody who can pitch at the front of the rotation nor a guy with lots of development potential, just somebody who's a good bet to stay off the dl and keep the team competitive in a majority of his starts.
they already missed one good opportunity in josh towers, who signed with the rockies (with an option for 2009) for $1.8m. the best remaining option in my opinion is jon lieber, for whom i've been campaigning since october. he did get hurt last year but the injury was to his leg, not his arm; he has been at least a league-average starting pitcher every year since 1996 and has rock-steady FIPs. these days he's generally good for 25 starts.
others who are still available include josh fogg, mark hendrickson, livan hernandez, odalis perez, brett tomko, and steve trachsel. time's running out on all these guys, and pitchers / catchers are due to report in a month; any / all are gonna have to settle for short-term deals and / or low dollars. so take your pick --- if the cards could get any of them on a short and / or cheap deal, who would you like to see in st louis this summer?
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pick'em
by sportsman on Jan 12, 2008 10:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Weaver
Based on Goold's criteria, though, I was surprised to see him not tout Livan. If reliability is your main criteria, he'd seem to be your guy. You know with him you are going to get lots of innings, lots of pitches, but a high ERA.
Lieber is also not a bad pick, but the number of ex-Cubs on the Cards is beginning to scare me already. To my knowledge the 2006 team had no ex Cubs on the playoff roster. :)
by raisin on Jan 12, 2008 10:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think we got really lucky with him
by sdrone on Jan 12, 2008 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well....
As a side note I was at ESPN looking at the STL Cardinals transactions page and I have to wonder...
what is the fascination with signing so many "cut" Pittsburgh Pirates. Not that it really matters, but we sure have signed a lot of them lately.
by Pujols for MVP on Jan 12, 2008 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
A guy that hasn't been discussed much...
The last time he was used in a rotation was 2005 with the Rockies and Yankees and he put up a 131 ERA+ with a 3.44 ERA and a 1.32 WHIP. That's better than anything Weaver or any of the other scrap heap pitchers have done in the last three years. Not sure about the price though. He made $3.8 million last year setting up for Pittsburgh and that was an pre-arb settlement. He'd be worth kicking the tires on though.
by fourstick on Jan 12, 2008 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
One goalie's opinion...
It's entirely possible Livan's in his "decline phase"; but Busch III (like whatever they call the BOB in Phoenix these days) is pitcher-friendly. Yeah, he'll be 33; yeah, his WHIP is approaching 1.6; and yeah, his strikeouts were down last year.
But for short-time and cheap, he's a darn good option.
Personally, I wouldn't be interested in Dream Weaver... the Cards rescued his career once, and he took off for more money. Why go there again?
The very thought of Brett Tomko or Odalis Perez makes me shudder... Yecch!
by The Ol Goaler on Jan 12, 2008 10:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
But
by The Butcher on Jan 12, 2008 11:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Livan
Of the other choices, though, I suppose I would take Lieber. Given my druthers, though, I think I would just prefer to see more of our minor league talent get a chance to take a turn or two in the rotation. Probably not going to happen, though.
by the red baron on Jan 12, 2008 11:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would take
by cardsgirl95 on Jan 12, 2008 11:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I say bring back Julian Travarez!
I'd rather pass on Mr. Weaver. I read somewhere that Scott Boras thinks he's worth $12-$14 million a year to some NL team. Yikes!
by jillsinmo on Jan 12, 2008 11:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Punchable things not able to be moved...
- Tony LaRussa
- Dave Duncan
- Stan the Man Statue
- Fred Bird
- Tony LaRussa's ego
by fourstick on Jan 12, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes Iron Bill, Albert Pujols......
by jillsinmo on Jan 12, 2008 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Love the ones your with
PS I know Morris $ does not equal his production, but it's not a contract that shackles us for future seasons.
by OKCardsfan on Jan 12, 2008 11:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He shall be Livan
He's dependable:
Hernandez has pitched 200-plus innings in 30- plus games started in each season dating
back to 2000...cbssportsline
He's over a .500 pitcher for his career, plus I can picture him having a solid year for a team that is in the market for stability.
The biggest drawback I see with Livan is his reluctance to sign a one-year deal, and if so, he'll find a bigger payday out of the Lou.
by mwinf12 on Jan 12, 2008 11:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
do nothing is the best option
Mo, don't make a move just to make a move. Often times the best move is none at all.
by jjray on Jan 12, 2008 11:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Probably not a fair option but...
by Lawless on Jan 12, 2008 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rolen Traded to Blue Jays
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/01/12/rolen-headed-for-toronto/
by ET90210 on Jan 12, 2008 12:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re: More on Rolen / Glaus
Glaus wants to escape the turf
Rolen wants to escape the russa
by mwinf12 on Jan 12, 2008 12:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know ...
by 2ndEdition on Jan 12, 2008 1:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It could be my imagination...
by Fro Jackson on Jan 12, 2008 1:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought
by nmstar on Jan 12, 2008 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by Fro Jackson on Jan 12, 2008 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, with all the time he's missed
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 12, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade & Health
by jimmyv on Jan 12, 2008 1:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget that McGwire
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 12, 2008 5:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd pass on all of them.
by madding on Jan 12, 2008 10:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs



















