Game 136 Open Thread: 6 September, 2007
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GAME TIME 7:10 CDT
As I stated in today's morning post, I strongly believe that this team is far more dependent on Mulder to be successful than it was when it traded for him in 2005. If this team is going to stay in the tick of things, and especially if it hopes to compete during the postseason, it needs Mulder to step up and to compete. That makes this game more exciting than any September pairing against the Pirates deserve to be. There's nothing too interesting in the batter vs. pitcher matchups, other than the fact that Marky has just absolutely owned Jason Bay in a pretty signifcant sample size of 20 AB.I won't get a chance to watch this one, but here's helping to a nice outing by Mulder that gives us a nice excuse to send the Baron Von Kippington on a one way trip to the bullpen.
| STL | PIT |
| Eck, SS | Izturis 3B |
| Natural, RF | Bautista, CF |
| Albert, 1B | Sanchez 2B |
| Jimmy E, CF | LaRoche 1B |
| Dunc, LF | Bay, LF |
| Molina, C | Pearce, RF |
| Branyan, 3B | Paulino, C |
| Swamp Gas, P | Wilson, SS |
| Miles, 2B | Armas, Jr., P |
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I don't know what to think about Mulder
Playball!
by Schnake on Sep 5, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This feels as exciting
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Will they get it in?
by Cardinal70 on Sep 5, 2007 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they need to get it in
by jeff abs on Sep 5, 2007 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dunno...
by kindred on Sep 5, 2007 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please explain the Swamp Gas reference.
by Schnake on Sep 5, 2007 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it was also a commentary on how
by Valatan on Sep 5, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the reply
by Schnake on Sep 5, 2007 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem
by Valatan on Sep 5, 2007 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Note the ridiculous comment spamming that eventually got my database temporarily shut down by my host, and also the John Gall fandom.
by DanUpBaby on Sep 5, 2007 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Branyan again?
I know TLR loves veterans, but how can you knock Ryan out when he has done everything and more asked of him this year...
by WiscCard on Sep 5, 2007 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cuz tlr likes to play the hot bat
by acham8206 on Sep 5, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sure what you read, but
from what i've seen, ryan is much better defensively at ss or 2b than he is at 3b. and offensively, both branyan and ryan are better than either eck or miles. i'd rather have branyan in as the full time 3b with ryan starting 5-6 days a week split between the two mi spots.
by nycbirdo on Sep 5, 2007 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm actually quite relieved
by SleepyCA on Sep 5, 2007 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it
It's true the downer that Ryan wasn't in the lineup was nothing compaired to not seeing Cairo.
Ryan was reported as having a hurt heel so that might explain why he's not there...as for why we even have to think about Cairo.
Hell I'd say ask Tony but I'm afraid he might tell you.
by Harknights on Sep 5, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it...
by AndyB83 on Sep 5, 2007 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Punchless?
Ryan 2007:
AB AVG OBP SLG OPS
121 .331 .386 .479 .865
Branyan 2007:
AB AVG OBP SLG OPS
137 .204 .317 .474 .791
Ryan is actually slugging HIGHER than Branyan this year in about the same # of ABs. And Ryan's OPS is 74 pts higher. Ryan's got a MUCH higher AVG, MUCH higher OBP, and better speed.
Branyan may be better defensively at 3B, but Ryan is the better hitter so far this year...by a lot.
I agree with those who say Branyan is fine slotted at 3B, but Ryan needs to be in the damn lineup...either at SS or 2B.
by Mr Clean on Sep 5, 2007 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small sample size?
by DanUpBaby on Sep 5, 2007 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would not argue...
.004 points is insignificant... especially with a small sample size. Branyan might hit the ball out of the park in any given at-bat and that's an attractive feature when you've already got singles hitters like Miles and Eckstein taking at-bats... not to mention Edmonds' diminished power.
by AndyB83 on Sep 5, 2007 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not convinced Ryan can really hit.
by JI on Sep 5, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not leave him in there
by jillsinmo on Sep 5, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they were really convinced he has the
Plus Branyan has been successful as a guy you can spot start and get some walks & power from. i don't see how mixing the two in could hurt us at this point.
by JI on Sep 5, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Kennedy is kind of a poor example.......
by jillsinmo on Sep 5, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder is a key
Even if the team isn't able to pass the Cubs and Brewers, I'm excited about seeing the new and improved Mark Mulder. We won't see it tonight, or likely, the rest of the regular season but I'm glad to see him back on the mound in a Cardinal uni. Down the stretch, if he just gives us reason to hope he might be good next year, he will have accomplished something!
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seriously
by nycbirdo on Sep 5, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
by Cardinal70 on Sep 5, 2007 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we see
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My expectations are ratcheted DOWN -
The man has to learn how to pitch all over again.
by Urban Pawnee on Sep 5, 2007 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His comment
by Cardinal70 on Sep 5, 2007 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This might as well...
If he can go 5 with 4ks and <3 ERs I'll be thrilled.
by guayzimi on Sep 5, 2007 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This game
"Hey come and see my one man play. It's Pulp Fiction. My take is that it takes place in this guys mind."
So you're like "Well I liked Pulp Fiction."
and you're thinking the whole time your driving to the Theatre. "Man I don't even know what to hope for."
You're hoping that it's good but at the same time you just don't want anyone to be embarrased.
This game has every possible emotion. Hope, fear, excitement, caring and much more.
by Harknights on Sep 5, 2007 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haha, weird analogy, but i guess it works
by nycbirdo on Sep 5, 2007 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damnit
by mojowo11 on Sep 5, 2007 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My Lord,
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2007 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dreamy
by ColinMacLeod on Sep 5, 2007 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2007 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe he and Wainwright have a
Atleast, I think.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Photos
by ColinMacLeod on Sep 5, 2007 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
{tips Bud can}
by kindred on Sep 5, 2007 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Sh1t is for real
I mean, I don't think it really hit me until about 20 minutes ago but if everything breaks our way tonight, you could wake up being the fan of a 1st place ballclub, something that hasn't happened in over 157+ days.
I'll drink to that!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like the heavy stuff...
What do people think? Can I morally afford the points I could get from his start tonight? I think I have about 10-15 minutes to bench him before my roster locks.
by LilEck on Sep 5, 2007 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
screw it...
by LilEck on Sep 5, 2007 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah hope, ah hope, ah hope...
Youneverknow, but I'm rooting for all I'm worth!
by The Ol Goaler on Sep 5, 2007 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we WILL get the game in tonight
by stlcardinalsfang on Sep 5, 2007 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
by brindled on Sep 5, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rooney just said something about starting
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 5, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe...
In a matter of a few months, they've gone from most reviled team since the '85-'87 Mets to eliciting something close to sympathy.
by guayzimi on Sep 5, 2007 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hold it there
Even when the Brew-Crew or Cubbies beat them, I can't help but smiling at the sadness felt by Berkman or Lidge or Oswalt....or Burke!
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 5, 2007 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Claibes just claimed
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 5, 2007 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fielder hits a 3 run bomb...
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that went off of Hunter Pence's glove
by BigMOman on Sep 5, 2007 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just read a study...
by guayzimi on Sep 5, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then Braun hits a three run bomb....
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 5, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And struts like a prick
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we...
by mynameistyler on Sep 5, 2007 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's almost game time
come on Marky Mark. just go 5 or 6 innings of 2 run ball and the O should take care of the rest.
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gameday says warmup...
by PujolsFan4Life5 on Sep 5, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
already got one out in the top of the 1st
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A groundball out at that!
by birds 4 life on Sep 5, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here they go
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great start
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
low 90s fastball
by mattyfrommo on Sep 5, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
9 pitch first inning. . . SWEET!
by faninexile on Sep 5, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
by DanUpBaby on Sep 5, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wasnt sure you could speak relative anymore
by mattyfrommo on Sep 5, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 ground ball outs
keep your fingers crossed every one.
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's the marky mark
by boisebird on Sep 5, 2007 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gonna need to win tonight...
by kindred on Sep 5, 2007 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so far, marky mark's giving me good vibrations
by Valatan on Sep 5, 2007 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He can stop allowing singles
by Valatan on Sep 5, 2007 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLBtv feed
by JI on Sep 5, 2007 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Once again great pickups Walt
Pinero
Branyon
Ryan
Ankiel
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pointing out the obvious here
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind miles
by mattyfrommo on Sep 5, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder needs
by tori akai on Sep 5, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well crap
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mulder hasn't been awful...
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mulder
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's his first major league start
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder admits
What's he pitching in a game for then?
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least he isn't a righthander
by mattyfrommo on Sep 5, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the same guys who started "Retire 51"
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pity the person who does
by mattyfrommo on Sep 5, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Wilson
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here we go
by cardsgirl95 on Sep 5, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, at least the bleeding stopped
by Valatan on Sep 5, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Velocity
Looks like the surgery worked but Mulder is not quite conditioned enough.
by enoscountry on Sep 5, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stretch vs Windup
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it seems to be location
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still encouraged
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What the heck is Duncan doing out there?
Ugh.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
being a below average baseball player...
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's at least
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick or Schumaker
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers up 10-0 bottom of 4th`
by faninexile on Sep 5, 2007 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if we cant hit tony armas jr AGAIN
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
super unlucky, Yadi
I'm beginning to say that name with the same tone that Jerry Seinfeld uses for 'Newman'
by Valatan on Sep 5, 2007 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Armas
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK Marky Mark
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 5, 2007 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice rip on that single too
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In play, no outs
by effin fisk on Sep 5, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Miles since the Juan accident...
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to believe
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll do you one better
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it was but i'm not sure
make the switch Tony. make the switch.
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need Matty Mo!
Mark Mudler
Mike Maroth
and
Matt Morris!
maybe Mike Mussina? Could we turn Mike MacDougal into a starter?
Our rotation would be MMMMMMMMMM good!
by redbird2006in on Sep 5, 2007 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or..........
Macay McBride DET P
Mark McLemore HOU P
Michael Megrew LAD P
Matt Miller CLE P
Mike Myers CWS P
Michael McNutt FLA P (there is a joke there I am sure)
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or
by cardsgirlinAR on Sep 5, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
Well done sir!
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a bad inning there
Now Pujols needs to get off the stick and hit one over the wall.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ERA back to a single-digit 9.00
by Mr Redbird on Sep 5, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if it wasn't for a few bloop ass hits...
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice.
by champion on Sep 5, 2007 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mulder is doing fine
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't
by Mr Redbird on Sep 5, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards
by cardsgirl95 on Sep 5, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i seriously still can't believe this...
by kindred on Sep 5, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ank! My man crush continues!
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here we come! Everybody get out your
ANKIEL!!!!
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 5, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Will Clark!!!
by Alxfritz on Sep 5, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel is great
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This poses the question:
And that question poses this question:
What does it say about me if I have two man crushes?
by Mr Redbird on Sep 5, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what a terrible time for a bathroom break
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ripped an 0-2 pitch
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
saweeeet
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mulder showed a good curve in the third
He looks smooth and the velocity may well be there.
If a few more bats than Hobbs can pick it up, we're in this thing.
Meanwhile the stros and the dodgers are just packing it in, no help there.
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me...
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the APu magic
by Johnny64 on Sep 5, 2007 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I DO BELIEVE
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rick Ankiel is the anti-Cardinal
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Mulder gets through the 4th
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Mulder
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm losing faith in Duncans ability
by TriplePlay on Sep 5, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interestingly
The hardball times has him for 16.4 win shares batting and 1.5 win shares fielding. So there's little evidence I can find to suggest that he actually hurts the team defensively. Let's face it, it was just a single he allowed to fall earlier.
Even if those metrics are poor, I'm sure he adds more offensively than he hurts defensively, probably a lot more. Still, if Ankiel and Duncan add the same offensively, Ankiel will be better overall b/c of his defense.
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie Paulino
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still think
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
F%&K
Tony get Welley warming up now. no use to let Marky Mark take a drilling on his first start back.
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well
by tnek5 on Sep 5, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well, crap
by SleepyCA on Sep 5, 2007 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm picking up on your sarcasm...
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick
by Big Mike on Sep 5, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Duncan!
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought he had improved early in the year
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is not good
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mulder is just not able to get it down
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes almost every pitch is up
wheather he needs more innings or something else, i think this was a crap shoot to begin with. they had to see what they had. and now they know. Marky Mark needs more work.
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet ballplaying, gentlemen!!!!
by faninexile on Sep 5, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Obviously we are all a little disappointed
Watching on gameday and listening to the radio broadcast it sounds as if Muldar has not been able to throw a pitch in the strike zone past the batters. Sometimes he gets an out on a pitch belt high and over the plate, but all too often those pitches get hammered. I haven't seen many pitches that are either on the corners or aparently have such wicked motion that they are unhittable over the middle of the plate. Comments from those watching on TV?
Nice play by Yaddie to save a run.
by thomaslj on Sep 5, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is having a hard time keeping the ball down
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOW WAS THAT A STRIKE?
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
??Question
by joshbdork on Sep 5, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh God no
by yorktro on Sep 5, 2007 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm beginning to plot games
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be the only scenario
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
son of a B%$@H
when did the Cards lose the ability to beat the pirates? didnt they use to be our bitch?
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At this point
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ehhh
by mcurryatl on Sep 5, 2007 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better options now than then?
by ColinMacLeod on Sep 5, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive supported
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not playing much is what hurt Dunc....
A guy still learning to be an OFer does not benefit by that sort of treatment.
by DiscoJer on Sep 5, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And just now Edmonds does nothing to help us. Man it's sad how bad he has gotten in the last 2 years at the plate.
Tonight is pretty frustrating.
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even when he costs you runs?
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Little slow there
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotcha....
And trust me, when a fly ball goes to left I immediatly hear the Benny Hill theme song in my head when Duncan is out there. So I'm more with you on this topic than 100% disagreeing with you. :-)
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA, Nice Benny Reference!
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank You
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Likewise
We are counting on Maroth to SPLIT a home series with the damn Pirates. Unacceptable really. The Bucs have a new pitcher going tomorrow. I am fairly sure our boys will make him look outstanding and like a potential 20 game winner.
With that said...
I am positive we will win the Central.
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
by buzzburton33 on Sep 5, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was said a few post before
And don't forget Ludwick. A powerhitter with above average defensive skills. Another strike against Chris.
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He only hits for power?
he's 2nd on the team in WPA, Win shares, VORP, and 3rd in WARP1 (among hitters). His OPS is almost 70 pts. higher than Ludwick's. There's something to be said for people who hit for a lot of power, defensive shortcomings notwithstanding.
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was Oquendo thinking there?
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Should have sent him
by liam on Sep 5, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need some vintage Jimmy right about
by Mr Redbird on Sep 5, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like a vintage wine
He's 11 for his last 50.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this would be funny
i miss vintage jimmy ballgame.
by acham8206 on Sep 6, 2007 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm afraid Jimmy is done
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd sure like to see
by saveferris on Sep 5, 2007 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll smile after his teamates pick it up
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to smile
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy just is awful this year
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 5, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
18th on the team in VORP -- offensively
According to fangraphs, he is 10.25 runs BELOW average for the year and has a -0.96 WPA. In other words, he's hurt us more than helped us this year. He is clearly one of the biggest disappointments of the season. He probably shouldn't be starting and, almost certainly, shouldn't be hitting 4th.
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent analysis!
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Still, good offense will beat bad defense (at least in LF) every time.
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guarantee you if DUNK wasn't in a slump
not sure what's going on with the dude. but he's deffinalty struggling on both sides of the ball.
we really need DUNK to produce.
desperately.
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a case of the new toy outshining the old...
Right now, all anyone can talk about is Ankiel, Ankiel, Ankiel. Whenever Duncan does something good, it's ignored. When he does something bad, they pile on him.
by DiscoJer on Sep 5, 2007 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
outside of
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Pirates
Not looking forward to see how many hits/runs they can get off Maroth.
by KYCards on Sep 5, 2007 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can people PLEEEAASE stop!
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for contibuting
by _pistol_ on Sep 5, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like VORP
but I would like to imagine that the regular contributors would patiently educate someone like MaskedMan (and he sorely needs it) rather than just flipping him off.
by thomaslj on Sep 5, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's doesn't want to be educated
by azruavatar on Sep 6, 2007 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which reference
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks...
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading such a rational
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
VORP is a valid and learned concept
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Morgan,
by Alxfritz on Sep 6, 2007 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disappointing
by Mr Redbird on Sep 5, 2007 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The good thing is
by KYCards on Sep 5, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
vALUE oVER rEPLACEMENT lEVEL
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don't disregard VORP
by _pistol_ on Sep 5, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try this
It explains everything.
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are clearly at the wrong site
by Mr Redbird on Sep 5, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's relevant
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does McRae manage
Hell, I think even Odalis Perez shut us down once.
McRae should be the pitching coach, cause he seems to have a knack of creating a gameplan to turn terrible pitchers into Cy Young.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wellenmeyer is looking good in his audition
Pick 1
Wells/Maroth/Mulder
by Podlol on Sep 5, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
That wasn't meant to be a shot at you or your spelling ability, just a joke. I swear, I read incorrect spellings more often than correct spellings on this blog!
by Mr Redbird on Sep 5, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shots fired at GDM!
dead on Mr. Redbird.
i cant spell to save my life.
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry you can't understand
It is the single STUPIDIST stat you can value, which is as hollow as the BA of Molina and Miles.
I ain't on that bandwagon, sorry for you.
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the tone of your post
by yorktro on Sep 5, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
please explain
by _pistol_ on Sep 5, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one other pet peeve
by yorktro on Sep 5, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps if you're going
If you have a well-reasoned critique of VORP as to why it's not a great measure of a player's offensive ability, that might make for a decent argument. But simply calling it the "stupidist" w/o explaining why it's the "stupidist" doesn't add a lot to your critique.
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least
by cardsgirl95 on Sep 5, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
true about Wellemeyer
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you don't know how to reply to a post
by _pistol_ on Sep 5, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
guys, you have YOUR opinions
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 10:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about we start
by azruavatar on Sep 5, 2007 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was prepared to be patient
by thomaslj on Sep 5, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we should
Value Over Replacement Poster
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's time to let the flame wars die!
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who F'ed up the page?
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 guesses
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another reason to run FireFox over IE
I chuckled, shrugged, and then moved on.
This afternoon at work, while rereading yesterday's gameday post for the new comments, I noticed the width of the frame was completely FUBAR thanks to the long string of "!!!!11!1oneonesix" from our newest VORP fan.
I use Mozilla FireFox at home. At work we have to use Internet Explorer.
So there you have it, kids. As if there weren't enough already, here's yet another good reason to use the FireFox browser.
by Mr Clean on Sep 6, 2007 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why are my comments flames?
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Learn from me Grasshopper
Honestly, this is a very forgiving forum with lots of thoughtful posters.
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards vs Pirates, Last 8 Seasons
by ColinMacLeod on Sep 5, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Take 2 (reformatted)
Someone earlier asked about the Cards owning the Pirates at some point. Here's the win-loss records for our Redbirds versus the Buccos (cribbed from retrosheet.org)
Year W-L (H, A)
2007 8-5 (4-3,4-2) through Tuesday night
2006 9-6 (5-1,4-5)
2005 12-4 (7-3,5-1)
2004 12-5 (5-2,7-3)
2003 10-7 (5-5,5-2)
2002 11-6 (4-3,7-3)
2001 14-3 (8-2,6-1)
2000 8-4 (3-3,5-1)
1999 5-7 (2-4,3-3)
1999 was the last time we finished behind them in the standings. 2007 is jaded by recency (our road trip through Pittsburgh and Washington and this home series). Except for last season, we were rocking in PNC Park.
by ColinMacLeod on Sep 5, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks dude
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would any opposing manager
by heathen on Sep 5, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's nice to see a Shortstop that doesn't
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
let it go!
Next time I would just suggest explaining why you don't like VORP or whatever rather than just blasting BUT
it's ridiculous to suggest that you're a Cubs fan or anything else just b/c you don't like it.
It's time for everyone to LET IT GO!
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you want to reply to a comment....
Give it a try tomorrow.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 5, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ryan
by _pistol_ on Sep 5, 2007 11:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If we lose this game
We really can't afford to lose 3-4 from the Pirates.
I think Tony should strongly consider having Wellemeyer start tomorrow or at least be ready to pitch if Maroth gives up 3 runs early in the game.
by KYCards on Sep 5, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
considering
by _pistol_ on Sep 5, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wellemeyer
by KYCards on Sep 5, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wellemeyer for 3 innings
I'm all for a Wellemeyer/Thompson tag-team from here on out.
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the way we are hitting
through 8 and we haven't even picked up the three runs we dropped in the second. at this rate maroth could throw a 2 hitter, and we could lose.
meanwhile the brewers trashed a pitcher that blanked us last week, and the cubs are crushing the dodgers. close, but no cigar.
by Birds on the Bat on Sep 5, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brutal.....!
Some good lines, even though the guy is pretty annoying.
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 5, 2007 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice
http://www.ifilm.com/video/2662083
by Mr Redbird on Sep 5, 2007 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
VORP is a statistic
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i know you're trolling
by SleepyCA on Sep 5, 2007 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
by chuckb on Sep 5, 2007 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad night
Looks like we will be back to 2 games out here soon.
by KYCards on Sep 5, 2007 11:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Flores
by cardsgirl95 on Sep 5, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought the game was over
I gotta watch another half inning of this crap?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 5, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
full inning
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 5, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little mad we're going with Maroth tomorrow
by MaskedMan on Sep 5, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Doubt!
by liam on Sep 6, 2007 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we don't make the playoffs
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 5, 2007 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
crap - 2-4 or 2-5
by cardsfaninmass on Sep 5, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, as dreadful as the starting pitching has
I think they should at least pick up the phone and ask him what he wants.......
by jillsinmo on Sep 5, 2007 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I forget to hit the reply to this button and
by jillsinmo on Sep 5, 2007 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To paraphrase Fred from 'Dirt Cheap' Liquors
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 5, 2007 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the more she drinks the better you look
CHEAP! CHEAP! FUN! FUN!
"and remember, be safe out there."
ah its games like this that make me wish i still drank.
by gdm426 on Sep 6, 2007 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have a better chance of winning the lottery...
I do agree he would be perfect. He would solve most of their problems. But it's just never going to happen.
by DiscoJer on Sep 5, 2007 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok ok ok
also i feel sorry for some father trying to teach his child how to fill out a scorecard with tonights line-up changes
by joshbdork on Sep 5, 2007 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
re:ok ok ok
by joshbdork on Sep 5, 2007 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well that game sucked.
gotta do what ever it takes to get the split tomorrow. Cards can not lose a series to the effing pirates. they just cant.
by gdm426 on Sep 5, 2007 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this time of year
by joshbdork on Sep 5, 2007 11:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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