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Game 150 Open Thread: September 18, 2007

hamels

wellemeyer

14-5, 3.50

3-3, 5.16

todd wellmeyer still looks like a reliever to me. 3 of his 8 starts have lasted 3.2 innings or less; only one has gone longer than 5 and a third. his starter-only era isn't terrible, but his peripherals are, suggesting that he's not likely to maintain that era over the long haul. by contrast, he has been almost unhittable for the cardinals coming out of the pen:

era w/9 k/9 hr/9 avg obp slg
as starter 4.46 4.7 5.9 1.5 .271 .355 .451
as reliever 1.26 3.8 9.4 0.6 .174 .283 .239

again, those reliever figures apply only to his tenure in st louis. but they're telling, imho: as a reliever, throwing with full velocity and an abridged repertoire, wellemeyer has been rendering opposing hitters helpless. in his starts he's getting tagged pretty good, walking way too many guys and not keeping the ball in the park. it's a small sample, but all the same those disparities in strikeout rate and hr rate jump right out at me.

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Wellemeyer
With all the other gambles we have thrown out there this season; this doesnt surprise me one bit.  Especially now with Mulder (potentially) going down again, Reyes being completely unreliable out of the pen or starting, Maroth, Wells, et al, why not give Welley another chance.  I just hope our offense is prepared for another breakout night.  

Hamels is just getting back from the DL, if I'm not mistaken, soo hopefully we will be able to jump on him early.  This is in hopes that the Phitin's dont jump all over us early, say top 1.  

Go Cards!  
Lets get Albert to 100!

Dont give up boys!

by yer dog first on Sep 18, 2007 6:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why not just come out firing everything?
I'd prefer Wellemeyer to be dead tired in the 4th inning, pitching around people having only given up 2 hits and striking out 4 than nibbling for 6 innings and giving up 5 runs.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 6:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hope.
Here's hoping Barden starts the rest of the season.  I'd love to see him get more playing time over Cairo these final two weeks.

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 6:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Barden
I got this off of the Cards MLB site:

"You have [Eckstein] and whatever his situation is there," La Russa said. "[Barden] could get a start or two there. He's shown some pop in his bat and [Triple-A manager Chris Maloney] has talked about his defense. He's capable."

I hope this translates as it states and Barden gets the nod really soon or tonight.  I would undoubtedly select him over Bran-yawn or Egypt.

Dont give up boys!

by yer dog first on Sep 18, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice.
Works for me.  

If you haven't seen The Show on Mojo it's worth a look if you're into baseball reality shows.  It's a bit dated but the stories are interesting.  Plus, baseball in HD is always a good thing.  I believe Barden shows up back when he was with the Snakes.

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya, Nippert blows
he was just terrible in that show.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is starting...
At 2b.  Ryan at Short and Spiezio at 3b.  Also interestingly, Ryan is batting 2nd with So leading off and Barden hitting ninth.  The whole lineup is accessible over at yahoo.  I don't have time to type it in.

by OCCardsFan on Sep 18, 2007 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lineups - wishes granted
Barden in at 2nd, Ryan at SS.  Although I don't get the order.
  1. Taguchi LF
  2. Ryan SS
  3. Pujols 1B
  4. Spiezio 3B
  5. Ankiel CF
  6. Molina C
  7. Schumaker RF
  8. Welly P
  9. Barden 2B
Phillies basically same as last night.

by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 7:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

mets up 4-0 in the first
if we win tonight, it could seriously damage the Phillies playoff hopes...

Go get 'em, boys!!!

"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 18, 2007 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmm
do I want to damage the Phillies more or the New York Mets more?  Hard one.  Well, I'll root for us and let them sort it out.

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we have a game left against the mets
that's the time to damage them.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 18, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not surprised that
Welley still looks like a reliever.  He hasn't been conditioned to be a starter for any significant period of time since 2005.  Let's hope he can give us 4 solid innings, maybe 5.  

I think he could be conditioned to go back to being a starter if they decide to keep him around for next year.  His minor league stats listed earlier (452 minor league appearances with 488 strikeouts and 36 homeruns and a 3.02-3.05 ERA) look interesting.  

Let that not hex you Welley!

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mulder
Bernie is reporting that he had both an MRI and a nerve conduction study.  That seems odd that he'd get a nerve conduction test.  I wonder if they are telling us about all of his symptoms and limitations right now?  Stupid question--of course they're not.  I fear bad news coming...

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If he's having
odd sensations or pain, they want to make sure his rotator cuff, scar tissue, etc. isn't impinging any nerves.  I want to know which one they did first, nerve conduction or MRI?

by spants on Sep 18, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

give him a good look
with the mess the cards starting pitching is in, i say give wellemeyer a good look. he might condition himself for a starter for next year like looper did. i'd like to see a couple of the springfield starters up for a look. heck what you got to loose.might find a sleeper

by ridgesee on Sep 18, 2007 7:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What's the deal with Pujols not being in the game?
He apparently was supposed to be, but there was a late change. I think I just heard Shannon say something about a strained calf muscle, but I didn't hear it clearly. Anyone know what's up?

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 18, 2007 8:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yup
strained calf muscle via Dan on FSNMW.

I hope it's just a day-to-day thing cause the only thing I have left to cheer for is Pujols' streaks.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it'll never happen, but I'd almost be
happy to just see him sit for the rest of the year (maybe a couple spot starts, like when I'm at my first game of the year tomorrow night). He's all beat up and we're not going anywhere; let some more of the kids play.

by BTown Birds fan on Sep 18, 2007 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

without albert, DUNK, jimmy,scotty,juan,eck,AK
YADDA is the only "regular" starter playing right now.

H O L Y crap.

so is this our C or Z line up?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ironically, its not our worst
Missing Albert hurts, the rest, not so much.

However, we need to start throwing strikes.

by DriverZn on Sep 18, 2007 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ask and you shall receive
nice pitching Welley.

i'm just blown away that our entire "regular" starting outfield & infield isn't playing. i'm just shocked. i know i shouldn't be, but i am.

every body but YADDA is out. thats insane.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 walks in an inning
does not good pitching make.

More like lucky to only give 1 run up.

by DriverZn on Sep 18, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was just talking about the K
completly right. very lucky to only give up 1.

much better 2nd inning for Welley. just throw strikes dude.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cairo batting 3rd!
now that just about puts the cherry on top of this craptacular season
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that is amazing
now why isn't ludwick starting?

ghastly lineup. how often does a lineup full of replacement level (or worse) hitters ACTUALLY get run out on the field. it projects to score negative runs.

by willievinceterry on Sep 18, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you kidding me?
Tony pulled Ryan for swining at 3-0?

what

the

f!@k

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, how dare our hitter swing at a hittable pitch
Not like pitchers sometimes grove one on that count or anything.

by DriverZn on Sep 18, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow
i think tony is taking his frustration out on the wrong people

by TICY on Sep 18, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps Ryan missed a sign.
I didn't see Ryan's AB, but is it possible this isn't the first time?

Mark Grace on the Sunday game in Arizona talked about Ryan having a somewhat unusual personality--I think he said "flighty" or "spacy." That's obviously hearsay, but--why would you swing 3-0 on a guy like Hamels that just came back? I'm guessing he had the "take," and didn't. And if it's enough to get him benched--well, the old baseball coach is coming out in me. You wouldn't bench a dude for doing that once, but if it happened a couple, three, or four times...

As for Pujols swinging at the first pitch--would someone convince him to do so now and then?

by kwhiteside on Sep 18, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Ryan hurt or is TLR playing games?
I think we may know why no one on our teams swings 3-0

by DriverZn on Sep 18, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What did ryan do
that pissed tony off? i missed it.

by TICY on Sep 18, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Swung at a 3-0 pitch and flew out
Tony can remove that giant stick from his ass or take it with him on his way out of town.

And Al and his 'lesson of playing baseball right' can stuff it.  Coming from a guy who showboated while pitching, he needs to look in the mirror.

Swinging at 3-0 pitches isn't a bad thing.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree
Hamel hasn't pitched in a while.  Cardinals need to work him and not give him quick outs.  

The point of the game is to learn to win the right way.  Not batting practice for next season.

by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Ryan will
"learn to win the right way" sitting on the bench?

by azruavatar on Sep 18, 2007 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is there a difference
between winning and winning the right way?

by chuckb on Sep 18, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes
and Tony tonight is not winning the right way.  Character and heart are important.  Temper tantrums can only lead to winning the wrong way--bad example for all.

by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

meh
might lead to winning the right way, tomorrow, when Ryan walks on a 3-1 pitch and scores the winning run.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it could just as well could mess with Ryan's head
and lead him to strikeout, not wanting to swing on the fourth ball.  Who knows what Tony will say next time on camera to the whole world if he takes that swing.

And still no one can answer why TLR, if he's so concerned about things like this, doesn't sit anyone else.  He would not have sat Ankiel or Duncan, no matter what they had done.  And Eck has made so many mistakes--ones that have lost games--and he's never pulled.

by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had the same thought
during the D-backs series when he basically said that Valverde needed to grow up and quit doing the antics on the mound.
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree with you on this one
regarding "swinging at 3-0 pitches isn't a bad thing".  

sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't; if the coach said not to, it isn't, and if Ryan blew off the coach, benching him is a sure way to get his attention.

"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 18, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ryan
why the hell did they take him out? he get hurt too?
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

un fucking believe able
yep, i am so pissed i had to spell it out
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan out already
after swinging at a 3-0 pitch.

Shannon said Ryan's had a couple of run-ins with the Tony. Maybe we will resign Eck after all.

by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe we should fire LaRussa
he gets grumpy when he's sober.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan
It was stupid to swing 3-0.  Hammels is on a pitch count.  He is a tough pitcher and we want him out ASAP!  Don't let him off the hook.  Ryan messed up.

All of you complaining need to realize this is why there are games the Cardinals do not hit well.  That is a little thing that you must do.

You have to work the count at times.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 18, 2007 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Screw Ankiel for swinging at the 1st pitch
it's a double standard. Ryan swung at the best pitch he was going to see.  So did Ankiel.  
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok.
Fine.  When Pujols, Ankiel, and Rolen pop out on the first pitch of an inning I want to see TLR remove them.  You play to win the game.  

Working pitch counts is a nice concept but Hamels is a strikeout pitcher who has filthy stuff.  Batters might only see one pitch per AB, if that, to hit.  The pitch was in a bad location and Ryan just missed it.  If anything, we should applaud the kid for being aggressive.  Ryan isn't a bad hitter.  This stunt by TLR can shatter a kid's confidence for the rest of the season.

Then again, I don't have children so I can't relate to what those younger than myself are going through...

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude
let the situation rest.

by erik on Sep 18, 2007 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree...
while I'm not saying a batter should swing at a 3-0, pitch I also don't think it means they automatically shouldn't, either.

Also, consider that Ryan ran the count to 3-0 to begin with. That was the 9th time he had done it. Now compare it to Miles, who despite getting basically 3x the playing time, has only worked a 3-0 count 7 times all season.

by DiscoJer on Sep 18, 2007 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wellemeyer is a reliever?
Well of course he is........and so is Looper, Thompson and half the other guys we've run out there since May.  I've got no grudges against Walt, all the free agents we could have pursued ended up hurt (except Lilly who we didn't for some reason).  I've got no gripes with Tony and the relievers called starters.  You just can't lose Carp, Mulder and Reyes to injury or whatever and expect to compete.  Hell, this ragtag bunch of pitchers has done a better job than I would have thought.  I'm just in a grumpy mood because the season is over and trading/free agent season is nowhere near.

by Hinkster on Sep 18, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sweet double Rick
rumors of his demise are greatly exaggerated.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey Al. SHUT UP
if Tony really wanted his best line up out there, he wouldnt have pulled Ryan for no freakin reason. just shut up! you are really starting to piss me off with your never ending ass kissing of Tony. that was a bush league move by him.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It really is time the media do its job
I really am tired of the fluff treatment he gets in this town.  He is clearly losing it.

by DriverZn on Sep 18, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bush league
the way he screamed at Ryan in the dugout was uncalled for.  Doing it in front of the cameras and all was really childish.

The fact that NO ONE on the team went over to sit with Ryan either was crap.  Just leaving him to sit there and look like he was on the brink of tears on the bench was ignorant.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude
the reason why no one sat with him is because no one else would have made that mistake.  It's not cardinal baseball.

by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then why..
Didn't Tony bitch out the vets for half-assing it during the losing streak? Calling out a rookie doens't have the same damn effect as calling out a Vet. I'm sick of seeing the young guys getting called on this crap yet the vets don't get called out.

by DKelly28 on Sep 18, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're wrong
Just because it is not on TV doesn't mean Tony doesn't do it.  He benched Juan instead of Ankiel.

Spiezio never played (and was later sent to rehab) after he got ejected in Pittsburgh when there was no one to play third.  

Tony disciplines vets all the time.

by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont get your logic
Ankiel payed because he was HOT! Speizio  obviously didnt because of the substance abuse problem, not because he got ejected. If Tony wants to make an example of the one person on the team that actually hustles all the time and looks like he cares, so be it. Don't go off on him on camera like a jack-ass.
My biggest problem with this is that you have Miles playing instead of Ryan. That is not a good way to win.
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony does not call out his veterans
for not hitting patiently.  I was watching the pitch count when Mulder was up and he was getting about 8 pitches to rest on.  He didn't go into a tantrum when that happened and it was harming our own pitcher.  I'm sick of Tony's double standards.  And it's not just veterans vs. young guys.  It's his favorites and it often has nothing to do with natural ability.

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't seen Cardinal baseball all season....
..why start now.

Can't imagine a decent free agent  wanting to play for "the genius."

by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 18, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you are completely right
about TLR being completely unprofessional in both pulling Ryan and then yelling at a rookie in front of cameras.  And I'm disgusted with the team for treating Ryan like that.

Also, how will it help him at the plate?  He's been swinging the bat well.  Now they'll probably make him overthink at that plate, having Tony sit on his shoulder with every swing.  

The announcers said that Tony thought Ryan smiled too much out there.  God forbid someone actually enjoy baseball.  I think Ryan's too upregulated for Tony.  Just because TLR looks like he's wearing a hair shirt doesn't mean everybody else has to act the same way.

That basically ruined this game for me.  For every person who has come up since Ryan, I keep counting their swings and then pronouncing when each one should be pulled.  Then I call Tony names.  Very enjoyable....

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

smile too much?
they really said that. If that is true, Tony really does need to go. If you play hard and produce and are happy to be in the big leagues, what the hell is there not to smile about? Not everyone can be a sourpuss....
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, TLR said on the pregame show
that Ryan smiled too much for his position (meaning rookie in limbo) playing in the big leagues.

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree. Just shut them up.
They are always picking on Ryan and counting up everything he does even slightly wrong.  But they seem to have endless excuses for Eck and Miles.  I'm absolutely sick of having announcers with no critical perspective on TLR.

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

e-mails
didnt they get some emails about riding ryan that they refused to read on air last week, or was that someone else? Just because you get paid by the team doesnt mean you have to toe the line all the damn time. Could you imagine Harry Caray in this day and age?
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Mets
are falling apart, they just blew another lead to the Nationals.  Our old friend Ronnie Belliard just hit a 3 run homer to put the Nationals in front. Nats 8 Mets 7.

I know our boys are out but around baseball their is some pretty wild things going on.  At this point just about all of the NL slots for the playoffs are up for grabs.

by KYCards on Sep 18, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

People
This is why Steve Stone praises Tony Larussa and Bobby Cox as two of the best coaches in two of the best organiztions in baseball.  They hold guys accountable when they mess up.

Just like when Bobby Cox yanked Andrew Jones in the middle of an inning when he was showboating and messed up.  He made a mental error and Bobby was not having it.

You need to hold guys accountable and make sure they are playing the game right.  Just because the Cards are out does not mean you go up hacking without a game plan.  Since when does a contact hitter like Brendan need to swing 3-0 b/c the pitcher may groove a pitch.  That is something Branyan my try.  Ryan is a good hitter, and this will only make him better.

Steve Stone talks crap about the Cubs never having a manager who held people accountable for not doing the little things.

Don't get mad b/c Ryan is out.  It was a good thing.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 18, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't agree at all
I want the batters to swing at the best pitch they see.  I hate it that Albert and Scotty used to just watch 3-0 pitches go right down the middle.  I never knew why, I suspect I do now.

TLR is a control freak.  However, he is no longer making rational decisions. He is no longer an asset to this team.

by DriverZn on Sep 18, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again
Swinging at the best pitch you see still results in an out 70% of the time.  However, taking the pitch with 3-0 count results in a walk half the time.

I'm not watching so I cannot speak to Tony yelling at Ryan.  But Ryan was wrong.

by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe...
It doesn't take into account how a groved pitch can be hit for more than a single, and thus worth more than a walk.

But even so, I don't see what Tony did will do any good. If anything, it's just going to make him never go to a 3-0 count again.

Ryan's not great at it, but he does work the count more than most other Cardinals, averaging 3.7 pitches AB. Should he be jumped on for one mistake?
Tony should be on Miles' case for hit pitiful 3.4 pitches per AB.

by DiscoJer on Sep 18, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for me it depends
on the player and situation.

i think a healthy albert or scotty should be given the green light in an rbi situation. i agree that's something that's driven me nuts.

brendan's neither of them. he was wrong, but i also didn't like how tony handled it.

watch nightline tonight (9/18/07).

by acham8206 on Sep 18, 2007 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think Tony's right on this one
Excluding the non-specific "playing the game the right way" arguments.  Looking at the situation - it still doesn't make sense.

For a rookie to swing at a 3-0 pitch, with no one on, down by one run, and in the first inning makes absolutely no sense.

You swing at 3-0 pitches when runners are on and you have the chance to score by making contact.  By swinging there is over an 75% chance something bad happens.  

I think the reactions from Tony haters are over the top.

by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i am not a Tony hater
but yelling at Rya, calling him out in the dugout, then pulling him for no freakin reason was something you see a beer league soft ball manager do. not a hall of fame 2 time world champ manager do to a rookie who's trying his hardest to help his team win.

i love Tony but he was flat out wrong for doing that. and the pussies who are the STL media will once again let it slide.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you described that well
beer league soft ball manager...and a bad one at that.

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's one thing for
TLR to say, "Brendan, you should have taken that pitch."

It's another for TLR to pull him from the game.  To think that Ryan has to be publicly disciplined (and let's not pretend it's something other than that) to learn his lesson is an insult to Ryan.  

by azruavatar on Sep 18, 2007 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps
this has been an ongoing issue and TLR and McRae have already worked with Ryan about sticking to his prescribed approach.  Perhaps not.  

Still, I'm not a fan of a public dressing-down, either.

by spants on Sep 18, 2007 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i really hope Griffin Whitman & his parents
are not watching NESN right now.

those damn canidian's wont stop chanting

RED SOX SUCK. RED SOX SUCK.

(please people i'm joking, dont get mad)

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Question.
Anyone signing autographs after the game?

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just
chris duncan.
watch nightline tonight (9/18/07).

by acham8206 on Sep 18, 2007 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do you know that woman?
thats the same disease that my dad has.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude.
i am that woman.
watch nightline tonight (9/18/07).

by acham8206 on Sep 18, 2007 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not yet (hadn't heard of it)
but i will now. and i'll add it to my site. thanks for the heads up!
watch nightline tonight (9/18/07).

by acham8206 on Sep 18, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's
been blogging the progression of his disease for three or four years.  It's an amazing website.  

by spants on Sep 18, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just saw your reply
i'm watching the game with dad now, i told him some one on here said to watch nightline. so i checked out their site and just read your story to him. I had to call a lot of people out here in ohio and email a bunch in arkansas & mizzou to tell them to watch nightline tonight.

i wont bore every one with dads story, but its a lot different than yours. i wish you all the best. keep fighting the good fight.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i 'd like to hear your dad's story.
would you email me offline sometime? (i totally understand if you don't have time.) please give him the secret ALS handshake for me and pass along my every good thought.

i hope the segment turns out okay. we figured if i'm going out anyway, might as well try to make as much noise as i can!

watch nightline tonight (9/18/07).

by acham8206 on Sep 18, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It
was very good.  I cried a little, but perhaps selfishly; I just had a brain MRI the other day and I'm anxious. :/

I'm glad you shared your story with the world.  More people need to be involved in finding a cure.

by spants on Sep 19, 2007 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why the MRI?
i'm sorry to hear you are going through testing for whatever reason. uncertainty is the worst. it took 18 months to get a diagnosis for me, and all i can say from my experience is try to keep your chin up and enjoy every day. whatever the tests show, it won't change the outcome by worrying and fearing the worst (yep, speaking from experience here). don't get me wrong: anxiety is natural, just try not to dwell there too much.

at the risk of being a total dork, are you a harry potter fan? i ask because i find help and strength where i can, and often it's in some odd little passage of something i'm reading or watching. one of my favorite quotes is hagrid near the end of book 3: "what's coming will come an' we'll face it when it does." or, if you're more a lord of the rings fan...
Frodo: "I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened."
Gandalf: "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us." (my emphasis)

i probably should be quoting some more significant philosophers than rowling or tolkien, but whatever works, right?

anyway, hang in there. sorry the cardinals aren't providing a better diversion for you when you need it. know that a fellow cards fan is pulling for you.

watch nightline tonight (9/18/07).

by acham8206 on Sep 19, 2007 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Variety of symptoms
It looks like MS, but until I get a diagnosis, I'm a little freaked.

I've been writing about it on my website.  Right now I'm referring to it as my mystery condition.

Tolkien and Rowling have sound advice.  Most of the time I'm okay.  But sometimes...  I just feel like panic is gripping me.

by spants on Sep 19, 2007 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's an impressive story
A friend of a friend was fairly recently diagnosed with ALS. Unfortunately, he's been lashing out at people since.

I hope he saw your story and was inspired.

by liam on Sep 19, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why do we have to watch nightline?
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

acham8206
is gonna be on; she has ALS.

by spants on Sep 18, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i better record it then
nightline is past my bedtime
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

will wonders never cease
cario got a RBI hit.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Harang
Harang  is one hitting the Cubs through 4.

If everyone thinks Ryan is a good player, he totally understands what Larussa did.  It will make him better.  He is a grown man and I think he understands he messed up.  I did not see Tony addressing him but it should not be done on camera if it is negative.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 18, 2007 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Please.
Trust me, nothing Tony said on camera tonight to Ryan was positive.  Read TLR's lips if you see the replay.  What he said to Ryan probably can't be typed here given the overly sensitive nature of certain readers.

This organization needs a new direction.  The World Series honeymoon is over in my mind.  

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure he treated Miles the same way
when he swung at a pitch as So was 2 steps away from a standup steal at 2nd.  Instead, he has to go back, and instead of runners at 1st and 3rd, we have runners at 1st and 2nd.

Double standards are fun.  Ryan got pulled yesterday after he made an error.

Tony's a grumpy Gus who is getting his hat handed to him this year because of his loyalty to guys like Kip Wells, Miguel Cairo, Preston Wilson, etc.  He's run players out there who were hurt, who were battling substance abuse, etc.  He's been outsmarted by the likes of Bob Melvin, Lou Pinella and Bruce Bochey.  He has openly negotiated his contract in the national papers, something he chastised Edmonds about for doing in the local papers.  

He's a guy who has done a lot of questionable stuff this year but doesn't like to be questioned.

He needs to go.  The game has passed him by.  Station to station, stuck in your ways bullpen assignments aren't how to win baseball games anymore.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The call was a hit and run
I respect your opinion HL but I think your perspective is off on these points.

Loyalty to Veterans?  How did he win last year?  He benched Rolen because he thought he was hurt and not performing.  He mostlyh used Johnson, Kinney, and Wainwright in the bullpen.  He took Marquis off the roster and went with Reyes.  

He refused to play Spiezio after he got ejected in Pittsburgh, when he shouldn't have because Rolen was hurt, and then just days later Spiezio "voluntarily" went to rehab.  

To say Tony is nuts because of the situations you observe seems somewhat biased.

by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one out, runner on first, gb hitter, close game
you try to avoid the double play.  Are you saying that So had the straight steal sign instead and Miles' responsibility is to watch So run instead of the actual pitch?

It was a weird comment anyway.   Miles got a single and So scored.  

by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trust me, champ
you really need to let it go. It's time to drop it and move on.

by chuckb on Sep 18, 2007 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well said.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 18, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would be fantastic?
Fire LaRussa, rehire Red as a de facto manager and then go on a 13 game winning streak to take the record back away from him.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR bashers
Why don't people step back and take a breath.  It has been a long frustrating season.  If our pitching staff was decent people would be a lot higher on TLR.  Pitching makes you look good.

What has Lou done so well?  He has definitely had better pitching than Tony.  That was kind of expected unless you don't understand baseball.

So unless you have some great manager in mind just deal with Tony.  There is a reason that people like Steve Stone like Tony.  Tony is still a good manager.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 18, 2007 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh.
Tony is still a good manager.

Yes, just not for the Saint Louis Cardinals...

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony would be great with a $150M + payroll
But we don't have that, so he is no longer great for us.

He needs to learn how to get the most out of young, cheap, players.

by DriverZn on Sep 18, 2007 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Not?
Why not get him the payroll?  How are the Cards going to keep up with the Cubs if they insist on being cheap as hell.  The problem with Larussa and Dunc is they have done too good a job with bad players.  Everyone thinks you can work magic, but they need the team to spend money.  I can understand people bitching about the people writing the checks but not Tony.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 18, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

payroll
up until the last few years they have always been near the top of payroll. Just because you spend 150 M doesn't mean you are going to have a great team. Look at the  Cubs, that spending spree would have been worthless if this wasn't such a sad-sack division this year.
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question.
Anyone want to pull up the "When your biggest free agent signing is Kip Wells..." quote which (I believe) TLR gave earlier this season?

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i get tired of the ____ bashers lines
and the ___ apologists lines . Geez, we are just people in here giving our opinions. There is no need to get snotty about things.
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you.
agreed.
watch nightline tonight (9/18/07).

by acham8206 on Sep 18, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1
and you don't have to be a "basher" to be critical....

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And you
don't have to be truly critical to be a basher.

by spants on Sep 18, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are we saying the same thing
in a different order?  I'm rhetorically confused....

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait -
Are you bashing me?!

by spants on Sep 19, 2007 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

manager
What manager do we want?

Jose Oquendo?  Who fills up the rest of the staff?

by ICbirdfan on Sep 18, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR
I think he is about done.  I could handle 2-3 more years of Tony.  He should step aside soon.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 18, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well, you're not going to find anyone in
larussa's league to manage this team. i think you'll need to basically rebuild the whole staff with younger guys.

by ortic jones on Sep 18, 2007 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good.
The entire roster needs to get younger.  If the Cardinals aren't willing to spend money on prime time free agents in key positions then TLR isn't the  correct fit for this team.  

If I'm Rasmus or Anderson, and I'm in the minors watching this game, I would wonder how bad TLR is going to flip out when I pull my first Brendan Ryan in the batter's box.

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine.
Assume Ryan made a mistake - what point does it serve ANYONE for TLR to pull the stunt he did, in public, on a young player?

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Shannon
Just told Mike Lindskog that he would be down at springfield soon enough, and Mike Lindskog said "that's the rumor."   What does that mean?
"Accidents happen both ways" Mike Shannon

by Some witty name on Sep 18, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He is opening another...
"Mike Shannon's" in springfield...
"Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch." - Mike Shannon

by nomar34 on Sep 18, 2007 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have always liked Tony
I even have the t-shirt. That being said, this isnt the same old TLR. He has had a chip on his shoulder all season. I can't believe that there are people out there that don't see it. From the extreme pissyness at the media because they ask questions he doesn't like after the team loses, to the seemingly neverending do I stay or do I go BS. He is definately doing things on a double standard. All you hae to do is look the the Edmonds contract tiff last year and compare it to his this month. He is not a good manager for a struggling team anymore. He even knows that.
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Manager
I want to hear who people want to manage.  I am ok with people saying get rid of Tony if they have an idea.  

I don't think you are going to find an available guy to do better than TLR.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 18, 2007 9:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you can't tell
who would come in and be the right fit. It could be some first timer, hell all great managers had to get a start at one time
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True
True, everyone needs that first opportunity.  I think if people are ready to regress it is OK, because there are way more issues than TLR.  The Cardinals need to stop messing around and open their check books.  The Cardinals need to spend some money.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 18, 2007 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regress?
How many more games do you think we'd be below .500 without LaRussa?

Next year's roster will (hopefully) include a 3rd basemen who hates him, a SS who feels like his whipping boy, a 2nd basemen who is disgruntled about being benched and then being forced to bat 9th, a CF who thinks he's lost touch with reality and a RF who he screwed around with as a pitcher.

How can LaRussa manage a team that thinks so little of him?

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

...because
...because some people don't think the Cardinals are going to find an available guy to do better than TLR.

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jose Oquendo
Very solid defensive player, great with young guys (taught young Pujols and Stephen Drew how to field, rebuilt Eckstein's throwing motion) and has shown to be a manager players like playing for (WBC).
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jose
I think he is a perfect candidate! Like I said the problem is a lot more than just changing coaches.  The Cardinals need to spend some money.  They need to stop being retred central!  Come on the Cubs spend a lot but the Cards can spend a lot more.

Steve Stone was saying how it is impossible to believe that STL did not have a ton of money this past off season due to all the fans they drew and other revenue opportunites gained by winning the WS.

The problem is at top and I am not talking Walt.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 18, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Steve Stone
but c'mon. You really are him, aren't you.
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jed
Player-manager. Now that would make me super happy.
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beer... its called Beer, Al
500- What it takes enough to win at Rummy, at Indy and in the NL Central.

by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

beer
after all this, I need one
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sane Voice
I have a hypothetical situation for you:

You are a manager of a major league baseball team.  You have just come off of one of your most successful seasons, and then things go wrong.  First you lose your ace, and your offense goes MIA for the first two months of the season.  Well it's okay, because you know they will come back.   Then your offense starts hitting again, while your pitching goes to crap.  Then a pitcher dies.  Then the injury bug hits.  You lose your catcher for a while.  Then an outfielder or two.  Then a second baseman.  Then a third baseman.  By the all-star break your team (including pitching) looks more like a triple-A roster than major league.  But somehow, someway you keep your sanity..  and your chances alive.   Good things happen.  Your starting right fielder has a solid season.  You call up a phenom outfielder who takes the league by storm.  Things are looking up.  You're right in the thick of the playoff race.  Maybe things will be alright.  

Then all hell breaks loose... again.  Your starting right fielder has a freak injury that may end his career.  Allegations come out against your phenom outfielder.   And a season that was about to turn the corner turns to crap in front of your eyes.  You lose 11 out of 12 games, ending your playoff hopes.  

Your whole life is baseball, your job, your livelihood.  And this year that has meant trials, frustration, anger, disappointment, and tragedy.  And through it all you still have to face the media, try to be positive.  The fans, almost as frustrated as you are, look for someone convenient to blame it on - you.  

Okay.  Now you've peeked inside Tony's world.  
Lay off him already.

"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on Sep 18, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey he can get pissed all he wants
he just needs to spread it out a little
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm defending his rant on Ryan
He shouldn't do that, no doubt.  But I can understand why he would.  And I think that none of us are in a position to be that upset about it.  
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on Sep 18, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?
Certain things shouldn't be done in public like that.  It was all temper and no sense.  TLR had a temper tantrum and when he takes it out on a rookie who has been playing his heart out in very difficult situations--first at third, then SS, then second base, then back to third (which he's never played before)--I'm going to say it's wrong.  Every one of us is in a position to make a judgment about that.  Tony can't get a pass because of "what he's gone through."

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone's
just has their panties in a bunch because we suck this year.  I do think TLR has stepped out of line some this year, but I still want him to be our manager.  Everyone needs to relax.  There's no point railing against the inevitability of the shitty end to this crappy season.  Getting mad at each other is ridiculous.  We all want to see the Cardinals win.

by spants on Sep 18, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not me
I don't wear panties
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Larry
probably wouldn't let me post a picture that would prove it
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't
remember reading that in the community guidelines, but I'll take your word for it.

by spants on Sep 18, 2007 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly...
500- What it takes enough to win at Rummy, at Indy and in the NL Central.

by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha
I thought the season was bad enough, I figured I'd leave out spring training  :-)
"...but If I can do some damage and help my team win, I'm going to stay in there" -Albert

by BigMOman on Sep 18, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.
Lay off him already.

No.

Nothing you mentioned excuses what he did to show up one of his players at home in public .  

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is fun!!!!!
I like a good debate. Looky there, we have one!
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR
He has handled the hand he has been dealt pretty well.

Like I said listen to 670 the Score and Steve Stone discusses how he can't believe how cheap the Cardinals are.  He said based on the attendance and their play-off run and WS victory they should have had plenty of $$ to spend.  Now is STL going to become a team where the owners stop spending money?  They try to get bargins?  They could have had Lilly for what they are going to spend on "bargain" players.  Not that I am saying I liked the Lilly singing but at somepoint they need to spend.

by ICbirdfan on Sep 18, 2007 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not having good players
doesn't give you the right to be a jerkoff.

And he is the one that keeps putting Miguel Cairo in the lineup.  If he is doing it to prove a point, once again, Brendan Ryan doesn't seem to be the one that needs an attitude adjustment.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was hoping to get that answer earlier
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can separate the question
about whether TLR should come back and whether what he did tonight was wrong.  You can still say he's the best option for what's out there or what we could get and still call him a jerk when he's a jerk.  Can anyone honestly say that TLR is not a jerk sometimes?  I respect his principles.  I don't respect his temper and how he treats his players sometimes.

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those rotoworld guys
are some snarky bastages
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they're not very objective
but that can be quite funny at times.  

by Some witty name on Sep 18, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Mussina update
carrying over from earlier today:

7 IP
3 H
1 BB
6 K

Yankees blowing out Orioles, Red Sox just coughed up the lead to the Blue Jays in the bottom 8.  That AL East lead is shrinking.  Can you say '1978'?

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That would be cool.
500- What it takes enough to win at Rummy, at Indy and in the NL Central.

by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AJ pitched really well for the jays too
keep on dreamin people.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please don't
I want the Sox to take the AL east... I am sick to death of the Yankees... (well, and my ex husband is a Yankees fan...)
Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 18, 2007 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kip should walk more batters
that is 4 in 3 innings.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry
I don't care who you are. Take Ryan down the tunnel and chew his ass off in private. This public bullshit is well...bullshit.

Also. Why is it bad to swing 3-0 but it's ok to hit and run on a 2-0 pitch when the pitcher just walked the batter before?

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cause the notecard
said so.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That last play brings a thought to mind
When Rick and Shu' are both playing, who should play center?

My vote is Shu'.  He (Shu') is a better OFer and Rick's arm is more valuable in right.

500- What it takes enough to win at Rummy, at Indy and in the NL Central.

by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Schumaker already tried to re-enact
his diving 'ball hits me in the head' play earlier in the game.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I missed that
But Rick always seems so bad going back on balls- either in right or center.  It makes me miss the Gooch.  He might not make the play either, but at least he'll feild a carom cleanly.
500- What it takes enough to win at Rummy, at Indy and in the NL Central.

by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

does every one realize that with YADDA
now out of the game, NONE of our "regular" starters are plaing right now? forget Rick because he didnt get here till august. i'm talking about what our line up should have looked like opening night.

this is just insane. not one of our regulars is in. not one single player. crazy.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why is Yadi out?
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i have no idea
i was busy for 15-20 and couldn't pay close attention to the game. heard Dan say YADDA was pulled for some unknown reason.

highly doubt he took a swing at a 3-0 pitch. but you never know.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

flu-like symptoms for Yadi
And gave the Rotoworld guys another chance for some snark.  ;o)

by cardsgirlinAR on Sep 18, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BENCH HIM!!
Ankiel bunted while leading off an inning of a tie game.  BENCH HIM!!

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If it had been Brendan
Al would have gone on and on about how it was a questionable decision cause it shows a batter who doesn't want to hit.

OT: How good would this team be if Ryan Ludwick and Chris Duncan could hit LHP?

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He needs a good talking-to
that's for sure. There's no excuse for Ankiel doing that.

by chuckb on Sep 18, 2007 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think TRL's head would explode
If asked why he swung 3-0 Ryan replied.

"Well I saw that Cairo was batting 3rd so I figured you weren't trying to win."

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that would be hilarious
it would also garuantee a DFA for our best middle infielder, so I hope it doesn't happen.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 18, 2007 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn blackout
I was hoping to see the post game  press conference
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this looks like
a must win for the phillies, doen't it?
From Curaçao, the friendly island in the Caribbean

by Johnny64 on Sep 18, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Mets just lost
so they can get 1 1/2 games out if they win, so it is a must win for them.

by KYCards on Sep 18, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

is that why
tlr gets all 'regulars' out of the game?
From Curaçao, the friendly island in the Caribbean

by Johnny64 on Sep 18, 2007 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

otoh
the mets are following the 2006 cards script for post season preparation...
From Curaçao, the friendly island in the Caribbean

by Johnny64 on Sep 18, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please no more comments about S Dunc.
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh come on
i think its a good time to talk about Dan & Al's very solid and repectable opinions about the other DUNK. it will only add to all the back&forth about Tony tonight.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and in comes FLO to blow the game wide open
great.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW
nice job FLO.

that's the FLO we all used to know & love.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

our best starting pitcher is also
our best pinch hitter.

crazy.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another Tony slap
Wainwright PHs and then Reyes goes in to run so Wainwright doesn't get hurt.  

by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

y was welly pulled so short
i know this is late, and y did aw pitch..was this the plan? use everyone?
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Sep 18, 2007 10:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

werth
would have been a good option this season too, along with stewart..both injury risks but hey who wasn ton this team?
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Sep 18, 2007 10:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i agree
i also think every one else went to bed around 10:30,it got real quiet around here all of a sudden.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is one of the strangest games I have...
ever seen. It is right up there with Spiezo & Miles pitching.
The Red Blazer

by Red Blazer on Sep 18, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the rotoworld bar
on the side is cracking me up, read the entry for yadier molina

by truemun12 on Sep 18, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I Love what Tony has given us but...
Is it possible he is losing it?
The Red Blazer

by Red Blazer on Sep 18, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reds beat Cubs!!!
Brew Crew winning in Houston!

Go Brewers!!!

by KYCards on Sep 18, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just read the Roto bar
Did Tony really say "your done"! Did he mean forever as a Cardinal? Was the kid traded in mid game? I like the kid a lot. Maybe I have been drinking the Kool-aide to long and don't realize that Tony is a mad genius who is trending more towards the mad side lately.
The Red Blazer

by Red Blazer on Sep 18, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he said that & more
it was a real bush league soft ball move.

totally uncalled for.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In view of the camera......
Rookie mistake, benching for it seems harsh, but screaming at the kid in front of his teammates and in view of the television is a new low.  It's unacceptable.  

by jillsinmo on Sep 18, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony plays favorites
And it's unfair that someone playing as generally well as Ryan could get benched for something so stupid. Call me crazy, but I'd rather try to win a game with Brendan Ryan than Aaron Miles.

I agree that it's unacceptable.

The Falcoholic
The SBNation's Atlanta Falcons Blog

by Dave the Falconer on Sep 18, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll play the TLR's advocate...
The only valid reason for doing something like that is if Ryan missed a sign (to take) and it wasn't the first time he did it. I've chewed out a player in front of my team, but ONLY after multiple infractions AND after talking to him in private obviously didn't get the message across.

You know what, the da** message gets across then. As a coach, you'd much prefer it get across some gentler, kinder way. But then, some guys had what I termed a "learning problem," and you have to "help" them through it using extraordinary means.

I have no idea if that's what happened here. But that is the scenario that seems the most plausible.

by kwhiteside on Sep 18, 2007 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sadly we will never know
because no one in the STL media has the guts to ask Tony. and even if they did ask him, Tony would jump down their throat for daring to question his genius.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

slam-a-lama-ding-dong?
for lud?
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

slam-a-lama-ding-dong?
for barden?
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah.
Only if he's playing RBI Baseball as Jack Clark...

by champion on Sep 18, 2007 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's go
get pujols out for a gibson-like walkoff, you guys owe me that.  can't believe that a team fighting for their playoff lives might lose to our JV squad
foot soldier in the memphis mafia.....

by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 18, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Phillies have 2 hits
3 runs
and 7 LOB.

We sure do walk a lot of batters.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The philles have been
2 hit tonight and have 3 runs?

HOw does that happen?

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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn
I can't read lips!!!

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He did say
let me tell you something else.

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently in the pre-game he said something
like "Ryan hasn't been up here long enough to be smiling as much as he does".
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
I meant the ryan-Springer talk in the ninth.

but since you were talking about it.

interesting that they say TLR doesn't like Ryan smiling an dboom he's out of the game moments later. I wonder if Ryan hits a HR does he get taken out?

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice grab
If Ankiel was there, I am guessing double.
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Izzy has been awesome these last 2 nights
if there was a guy in need of getting shut down, it would be him.

No sense in hurting that hip.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
He's had such a good season, it seems counter-productive for him to pitch in these non-save games where he is more likely to fail.

by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How predictable is this situation?
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here comes the BOOM
I can sense it.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is not good
come on IZZY
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on Izzy
walk in a run so we cna lose 4-3 while ging up only 2 hits.

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can
We get Branyon up as the winning run?

I must have that!

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this loss is on Tony
Ryan wouldnt have f'ed up that play.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I fault
Stinett, not Miles.
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The throw was almost in the dirt...
which is Miles's fault. It's not easy to bend over quickly in catcher's gear. He could have have gone for the DP,too.

by DiscoJer on Sep 18, 2007 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was waiting for that
I knew after this whole debate Miles would end up throwing three errors in a row and bite me in the ** for defending TLR.

by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love this team!!!
Damn you Ryan...oh wait...never mind.

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Um
why not 4-6-3?
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

because Tony's boy Mini Me sucks
that's why.

stupid stupid stupid.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have much of a problem
with Miles' throw.  Stinett should make that play.
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you dont have a problem with throw
from the grass that shot hops the catcher? it wasnt an easy play for stinett. miles should have tried for the double play. if miles dosnt short hope it there's no argument. it was a bad throw.

you have to give your catcher a better chance than miles gave stinett.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not what I wrote...
Obviously Miles throw wasn't very good, but Stinett should have made that play, IMO.  When you considered the PB earlier, Stinett botched that inning.
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, i'm confused
but you agree the throw was bad. so let go from there.

actually isn't that the 3rd ball stinett had this game? didnt he drop another short hop throw?

i agree stinett should have cought the ball. but it was a bad throw, and i think if you are going to throw home you better get it there on the fly so you give your catcher the best chance to make that play.

so IMO it's half Miles falut & half stinett's fault.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure without a replay
but it seemed like the ball was a tough play for Miles being on the edge of the IF and with the runner screening him, so he has a bit of an excuse.  On the other end it wasn't a good throw, so maybe Stinett has an excuse too.  But a catcher of all players should be able to handle a short hop to make that catch.
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

deep on the IF
is a better description probably.
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they both could have
should have done better.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good question.
this should also serve as an example for everyone who said "catcher defense doesn't matter" earlier.  Yadi catches that throw, imho.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 18, 2007 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same thing
Cool a double play ball...or not...well at least an out...ok maybe not. In fairness it was a long throw. All the way from the edge of the dirt and all.

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stinnet
Schruted that play!
Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 18, 2007 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who knows
how words are created?
Call up Jarrett Hoffpauir!

by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 18, 2007 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparantly
schruted is a real neologism
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Atre we really gonna lose after 2-hitting
the Phils?
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And of course now we have to wonder...
what would have happened if Brenden was in.  Then Tony will get pissy if anyone says something about it.

by hannah_in_va on Sep 18, 2007 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope Tony enjoyed his tantrum...
I don't know if Barden would have made that play at 2B, but it's pretty much par for the course for Miles to screw it up.  His throwing accuracy would be the worst on the team, if not for Eckstein.

by DiscoJer on Sep 18, 2007 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok guys
Now get on so Branyon can hit.

Please I must see Branyon hit as the winning run.

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And Tony reaps what he sows
take out the faster, stronger arm and leave in Miles who throws low.  And the Phillies have the lead.

And now we've burned out our bullpen for the one guy who will give us our best chance to win tomorrow night.

by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm amazed that
people are still debating the wisdom of pulling Ryan. Has anyone considered that Ryan my have chosen to ignore a sign, and that this may not be the first time he has done so? I don't know if that is the case or not, but it is much more believable than that a manager as controlled as LaRussa benched him out of spite or emotion.

by thomaslj on Sep 18, 2007 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based on Ryan's original reaction and
expression, he seemed stunned he was being yelled at and had no idea what LaRussa was going on about.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Ryan just screwed up
by missing a sign rather than ignoring it, then I would agree that pulling him is unduly harsh.  Unfortunately, I doubt that we will ever know what really happened.

by thomaslj on Sep 18, 2007 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

someone needs to watch the post-game
and find out. if that was the case, i will not be upset. if that isnt the case and tony throws a fit for someone asnwering th question, i will not be surprised. now i am hoping someone will let me know.  i will check back tomorrow
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please ask
So Tony what is you opinion of Ryans' performance?

cue Tommy Lasorta.

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is like
watching the cards form about 1993.

I found myself saying.

"Damn you Geronimo Pena. Why did you throw it home. Pags is out of the game."

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

See Ryan
that's how you do it. Swing early and often and you wont be hitting 3-0

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you better get a freakin hit Miles
now dont do something stupid like getting yourself picked off.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 18, 2007 11:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if Cairo hits a walk-off
I am done for this season
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 11:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why is Cairo hitting for himself?
He gets a single, yay!

But no Pujols, Edmonds or Branyan?  Really?

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why use those guys
i mean that would be almost logical
foot soldier in the memphis mafia.....

by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 18, 2007 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must have missed
when Edmonds pitched hit. Because that must explain why he's not being used.

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm I don't have much faith in J'Ed anymore
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i will always have more faith in Jed
than in cairo
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by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

come on rick
now would be a good time to break out of your funk
foot soldier in the memphis mafia.....

by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 18, 2007 11:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

so who's warming up?
do we even have anyone left in the bullpen.  this game needs to end quick or else miles and speez will be taking the hill
foot soldier in the memphis mafia.....

by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 18, 2007 11:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

plenty left
still have all those call-ups, after percy that is
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good to see troy
dont want to see cavazos or falk or kelvim...i know that aren't many options, hopefully he can end it in the next couple innings
foot soldier in the memphis mafia.....

by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 18, 2007 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that a bad thing?
Give them both an inning.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forget our centerfeilder
I bet he'd make a great pitcher!
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The biggest problem
Is that Ryan is gone so he is unavailable to pitch. :-)

by thomaslj on Sep 18, 2007 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thompson only pitche 3 innings yesterday
he could go 4 or 5...  i bet his sinker is sharp on 1/2 day rest.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 18, 2007 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

miles won't pitch again
 he smiled coming off the mound last time
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 19, 2007 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good zing
but I think that was Speez.  Miles looked terrified.

by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait... they scored
that abortion by Miles and Stinett a hit?  What the hell, is the oficial scorer taking bribes?
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice throw by Stinett
Yadi wouldn't have done better.
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by Zubin on Sep 18, 2007 11:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think this is
what it's like being a Pirate fan

by Harknights on Sep 18, 2007 11:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it
Our expectation are higher I imagine.
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pu-jols?
Well, let's go to the old mill anyway -- get some cider!

by Alxfritz on Sep 18, 2007 11:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

alright boys
end it here or i dont get to watch nightline.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that's what she said!
nevermind, you meant albert
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 19, 2007 12:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn technology messing up my witty remark
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 19, 2007 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are the odds of Howard and Rowand
going 0-8 combined tonight?  Slim, I'd say.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Only...
They had a chance to go a combined 0-8 because they didn't swing at 3-0 pitches - from what I've observed.  

by champion on Sep 19, 2007 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I smell a homer.
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 12:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That would be Al
He said he is using FloMax now, though.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i could not believe what i was hearing
good thing dan cut him off. that would have been a nasty conservation.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Falkenborg
Is it getting really late or does Falkenborg really look that much like Will Farrell?

by cardsgirlinAR on Sep 19, 2007 12:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

His new nickname will be Ricky-Bobby
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 12:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

have we really used 16 pitchers
these last 2 games?
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 19, 2007 12:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Joe Table!
Can we end this thing?
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He has 300+ saves?
Is there a more meaningless stat in all sports?
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the W
and the L

and probably the RBI.

"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the guys who hate stats
are usually the first ones to tell you how many saves someone has.

by Harknights on Sep 19, 2007 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this box score
is starting to confuse me
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 19, 2007 12:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How bout a homerun AM?
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 12:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HA!
now that would have been almost worth all the fuss uh?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roger Clemens wife made the wrong decision
Roger coming back was the key to Yankees getting back into that race.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

there are pluses to blackouts
no clemens commercials and none of those damn "theres only one october" ones either
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 19, 2007 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

enjoy the game everyone
I will check back in when i wake up, it should be in the 22nd inning by then
"Show me a guy who takes his time on the mound and I'll show you a damned loser." - Leo Durocher

by mattyfrommo on Sep 19, 2007 12:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

quitter
you'd never make it on a Tony La Russa managed team matt.

(it's obvious to every one i'm joking right?)

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dear baby jesus
please let me strike out nunez.

sincerly,

ricky bobby.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ditto for J Roll baby Jesus
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice
could be the late hour...or could be the best line of the night!  I needed that.

by cardsgirlinAR on Sep 19, 2007 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it worked!
thank you baby Jesus!

thank you!

now please baby Jesus, please let the Cards get a walk off win in the bottom half of the inning.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm calling
for a walk-off walk.  On a 3-0 count, ideally.

by spants on Sep 19, 2007 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldnt have it any other way
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

XD

by Pujols on Sep 19, 2007 12:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

question
what's the latest a game can go on till?

by Pujols on Sep 19, 2007 12:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The longest MLB game on record
was 25 innings (8 hours and 6 minutes) between the WHite Sox and the Brewers in '84

by thomaslj on Sep 19, 2007 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow
what time did that game start? lol

by Pujols on Sep 19, 2007 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For as good as Polanco has turned out
Nunez has been a dud.  

I thought Phillies made a smart move when they signed him.

and breaking news Falkenborg is awesome past midnight EDT (god's time that is).

by enoscountry on Sep 19, 2007 12:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Falkenborg!
Nice.  4 Ks in 2 innings.

by spants on Sep 19, 2007 12:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can The Falkener
get our next bullpen start.  That splitter is just plain nasty.  And a 94 mph 4-seamer to back it up.  NICE!
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

only if he irons his hat
and wears his socks up to his knees.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh lord no
maroth is warming up

by Pujols on Sep 19, 2007 12:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pujols!
Can we PLEASE not DFA Falkenborg again?
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mike Maroth
is warming up. Win this now, gents.
Well, let's go to the old mill anyway -- get some cider!

by Alxfritz on Sep 19, 2007 12:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Apparently you missed Maroth's
dominant performance last night? :D
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as long as he does not go for more than one
inning, mike is nails.

but, since i asked baby Jesus for a walk off, there's no need to fear. mike wont pitch tonight.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coach put me in
I need to get home.-A Pujols

by Harknights on Sep 19, 2007 12:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Egypt is trying to go
4 for 6.  What is the world coming to?  This country is headed in the wrong direction.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dear baby Jesus
please let Albert end it now.

sincerely yours,

ricky bobby

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

10 players have occupied the #1 slot
in the lineup tonight.

Taguchi
Springer
Flores
Wainwright
Reyes
Franklin
Izzy
Eck
Percy
Branyan

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what is up
with Alberts stance?

Who does he think he is Jay Buhner?

by Harknights on Sep 19, 2007 12:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Albert needs the walk
to get to 100 on the year.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He should have brought a chair
with him.

I hope they let Edmonds start at 1st tomorrow, since Ryan can't play SS from the doghouse.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Albert should have said
let's just pretend I am up and you just go ahead an dwalk me.

by Harknights on Sep 19, 2007 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pinch Runner
Joel Piniero replace Albert Pujols.  Awesome

by Quel on Sep 19, 2007 12:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How bout a homer Rick?
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 12:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How about straining your back
and striking out?
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Piniero should try to steal
just to see what TLR would do.

by Harknights on Sep 19, 2007 12:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Start Aaron Miles
on Friday.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

damnit mesa
it is a fucking pitcher over there, u dont need to step off every time
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Sep 19, 2007 12:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This game
has all the action of a single A game on a Tuesday night.

When is the ping-pong ball drop?

by Harknights on Sep 19, 2007 12:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What ever happened to Sno Cones?
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 12:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's got a shifting injury
started in his hand, then his elbow, then his shoulder, now his back.

I keep expecting Dan to say he's in a coma and listed as day-to-day.  They change the story every game.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was just going to say
i thought it was his back, but yesterday they said it was his shoulder. very odd.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who
the hell is Sno Cones?

by spants on Sep 19, 2007 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Garry Bennett
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bennett
nickname from last season

by cardsgirlinAR on Sep 19, 2007 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gary bennett
aka Wild Turkey Shooter

aka snow cones

last year was fun

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope Wainwright has gone to bed
he's going to have to pitch a complete game tomorrow.  No backup.  

by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 12:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He might have to play 2B
It's like softball with 8.

I hate playing with 8.

At least you get more ABs

by Harknights on Sep 19, 2007 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i want to play in your league
in mine, that's 2 automatic outs...  AND you have to play short-manned in the field.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HE'S A HUMAN BEING!
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

having seen Eck's wife
in a low-cut evening gown, I have the absolute, utmost respect for the man.  never would I mock him.

(but I reserve the right to complain about his shortcomings on the field).

"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where do you play
I play in SoCal.

It's only auto outs if it's Co-ed and yo play at Big League Dreams.

by Harknights on Sep 19, 2007 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually, I'm in socal too
north of Lancaster a bit.  F*ing desert.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IE here
Funny how the rules change from county to county.

by Harknights on Sep 19, 2007 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moorpark here.
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for those of you with DTV EI
the end game box score is worth a look.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 12:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Maroth has thrown more to 1st than to home
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 12:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

with kelly stinnett catching
that is probably wise.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is
trying to lull the batters to sleep.

by cardsgirl95 on Sep 19, 2007 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please walk him
I don't want to see a 2 run homer here.
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 12:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, 3 run HR is the way to go...
Or go for the GS.

I hate walks...  Never a good idea in my book.

by DriverZn on Sep 19, 2007 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

reyes hasn't pitched yet tonight...
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll take howards 3rd K of the night
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow
I am glad to be wrong
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is anyone else
disconcerted by the phrase "first baseman Russell Branyan"?  I've never been creeped out by Gameday before.

by spants on Sep 19, 2007 1:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

did i
just see that right?

by Pujols on Sep 19, 2007 1:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is it too late for additional callups?
Who is left on the 40?  We may need them at this rate.

by DriverZn on Sep 19, 2007 1:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NO

by Pujols on Sep 19, 2007 1:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Barajas looks a bit like John Kruk
Lets hope he doesn't him like Kruk too.
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damit.
he does.
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well who didnt see that coming?
he gets the big lefty out, then poor Mike gives up the lead to the phillys last position players.

ugh

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 1:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't.
I was expecting extra bases.
500- What it takes enough to win at Rummy, at Indy and in the NL Central.

by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah how lucky are the Cards
that it wasn't a 3 run jack?
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is the XBH I was expecting.
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, at least Jiminez
wasn't charged with an ER...  thought his name was Flores for a moment there.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That bites hard
Rod comes off the bench and drives in a run.  

by cardsgirl95 on Sep 19, 2007 1:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wha?
him like kruk...hit?

by brindled on Sep 19, 2007 1:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah... you got it
500- What it takes enough to win at Rummy, at Indy and in the NL Central.

by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is due up for the Cardinals?
Brian Barden owes me some magic.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 1:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind
I can't believe I stayed up for this.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

baby Jesus owes us a walk off
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the bright side
If the Phillies win, they're only 1.5 games behind the pond scum. A Cards win would be nice, but at this point I'm so numb to them -- and the lineup is so threadbare -- that they don't really hurt anymore.

by willievinceterry on Sep 19, 2007 1:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Mets aren't really Pond Scum anymore
my vote is for the BoSox to be the new pond scum.
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WE are the new Pond Scum
we don't have much room to talk.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mets will
ALWAYS be Pond Scum.  

by cardsgirl95 on Sep 19, 2007 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well the '85-'88
Mets will always be pond scum, but I am unsure about the 2007 edition.
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well considering there a big pond outside of
Busch III where Busch II used to sit, i'd almost have to agree with you dude.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh my god
-_-

by Pujols on Sep 19, 2007 1:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Im excited
to see Wainwright tomorrow....plus im a little drunk tonight...hehehe

by brindled on Sep 19, 2007 1:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hurray, at least we set a record
For most pitchers used at 11.  Unless we tie it, then we can pad the record.

by DriverZn on Sep 19, 2007 1:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bright Side
We used Wellemeyer, Wells and Maroth in the same game and only gave up 7 runs.
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reyes also appeared
And was charged with no runs.  True, he never threw a pitch.

by DriverZn on Sep 19, 2007 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to cry.
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why?
why do you want to cry? do you feel the cardinals lost something major tonight?

by brindled on Sep 19, 2007 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no
but this game just felt depressing.
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?
Was it the new level of bad attention our manager has called upon himself?  Was it the benching of a rookie after one inning?  Was it the fact that we didn't give up that many runs and we still couldn't win?  Was it two pitchers who were pinch-runners?  Was it how we found a way to beat their true hitters and ended up blowing it on a bench scrub?  

I mean, nothing about that is sad, even if you're expecting to lose.  It's not like this team is barely recognizable as a major league franchise.

by spants on Sep 19, 2007 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for articulating what I could not
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by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now *I* want a drink.
sigh.  
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha
Sorry.  I emotionally disconnected from this team awhile ago.  

by spants on Sep 19, 2007 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah that was pretty good
spot on analysis of tonights game.
I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i want a drink
and i want a press pass so i can call Tony out during his post game.

what do i gotta do to get me one of those?

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well that was,,,,
uh, expected? yeah i guess that it.

when crazy Tony takes over, you should expect the Cards to lose the game.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 1:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

true
defeat snatched from the jaws of victory once again.
500- What it takes enough to win at Rummy, at Indy and in the NL Central.

by Zubin on Sep 19, 2007 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya know what
I am now in the group that was Tony gone after this year, I'm sorry but this shit he pulled tonight in regards to Brendan was complete BS...his fucking double standards are terrible...you got your wins record and the WS title last year, now leave.

by DKelly28 on Sep 19, 2007 1:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's funny
I've been on the "fire TLR" bandwagon since sometime in mid-2005, yet I agree with the way he handled the Ryan thing.  Imho it's a leadership thing- yes- rule #1 of "attila the hun's guide to leadership" is that you compliment in public/correct in private, but when everyone on the team sees a direct order disobeyed, sometimes someone has to be hanged. you can't spit in the face of your commander and then feign innocence.

Another primary leadership rule is that "the leader must control his people", and though imho TLR lost control a long time ago (IE in the Drew days- and yes, i blame the veterans on the team [rolen, edmonds] for this, more than TLR) he bears responsibility for it and still has to do what he can to maintain control.  Hopefully this is a step towards doing that.

"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the last leadership thing
thou shalt not smile when playing baseball or I will hit the smite button

by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah
that one is BS.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

story in the P-D tomorrow
TLR may be going to the Mariners (rumor but main story)

by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 1:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/08344915D1EF3D778625735B0012D27D ?OpenDocument

"What did the owners give him in the form of talent this year? Kip Wells? I think Tony has had it," Bissinger said on air.

I've never been a fan of his in game management but yeah I'd be pretty pissed off too if I was him.  I remember last year Dave Duncan said about the 2006 Card's it's possibly the worst team he's ever coached (ironic World Series aside, it was probably the truth)

by rocKStark5 on Sep 19, 2007 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one freakin question about Ryan
joel from fsn asked and Tony why he pulled him & Tony said,
"he swung at 3-0, he said something about 2-1, but we dont play like that. this is the big leagues, i was sending message."

no follow up. pussies. what a f'ing joke.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 1:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the update on that
why didn't they ask about yelling at him in front of the camera?  

They probably thought that was OK since they caught the video.

Well, message sent and message received: double standard, smile hating, rookie humiliating grump.  

by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

joel just asked Miles what he thought
about being put in the 2nd, if he was surprised and Miles said no he's always ready.

but Ricky Horton & Pat Parris said Tony's been upset at Ryan for a while now. and the only thing they said was Tony didnt like it that Ryan smiles soo much. WTF? if that's the only thing Tony's upset at, if I'm Ryan, i go to Tony and find out why he hates happy rookies who are living their dream. and if he does not give me a good answer i say something to the press. that's flat out wrong.

Ricky said Ryan might have missed some signs earlier in the year but he could not say for sure, he was only guessing at why Tony was mad at Ryan.

so if Ryan does not know why his manager is mad at him, and the press does not know why the manager is mad at him. does the manager even know why he's mad at Ryan? seriously this is effed up.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's rediculous
TLR should be brandished with some name for such comments, like "The Smile Terminator" or something.  I'm not very good with brandishing.  But he should brandished.

by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks again for the info
I only have MLB.TV and they cut me off right after the last out.  It sounds like nobody knows nothing about nothing.  But Brendan is basically whipped in public and left looking dazed.  Good communiation.

by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no problem. i'm always up any way at this time
and i always try to watch the post game. glad i can be of use to some one here.

this lack of communication has been a big problem for years now. earlier in the year there was an issue with Jimmy going on the Dl when he didnt know he was going on the DL. last year scotty & Tony didnt talk. there's more, but i'm not going to list every single issue now.

needless to say, Tony's lack of communication is, and always has been a huge problem.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it drives me crazy too
get a good night sleep (what's left of it) after this trying night...

by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nickname.
TLR's new nickname?

The Cooler.

He takes away the smiles of everyone.

by champion on Sep 19, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so TLR covered for him.
He invented a plausible story (Ryan thought it was 2-1) and moved on, and the reporters knew TLR well enough to understand what was going on.

Or Ryan tried to lie about not knowing what the count was (or lost track of the count), both of which were potentially worth being benched for.  

Or TLR flat out lied, in which case nothing that is ever said can be trusted and it's pointless to continue to ask questions.

"but the rain is so real, lord; and the rainbows pretend..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those post-games
are so weird and uncomfortable, I don't know if I'd bother following up either.  Those reporters have to absolutely hate them.  They are trainwrecks that I can't look away from.
It happened on a Sunday afternoon, August 22, 1982.

by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 19, 2007 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only reason the STL media hates them
is because they know if they ask Tony a "hard hitting" question he'll yell at them. he's bluffed them all into thinking he's such a badass that they dare not cross him. it's pathetic.

until now i wanted Tony to retire a Cardinal. now i wish that he would go to philly or boston and see what it like when the manager cant scare the reporters who cover the team. Tony wouldnt last 5 minutes in one of those towns.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Sep 19, 2007 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoever writes for Rotoworld
should pay more attention to the game instead of trying to be so snarky about TLR.

Pujols walked and did not single last night.  If he had seen a pitch to hit from Mesa last night the Cardinals would have won. Entertainment over news I guess.

by enoscountry on Sep 19, 2007 10:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TLR
I think he will be back next season which I am happy with.

Here is something that somehow goes over all Cardinal fans.

Seattle payroll  $106,460,833
St. Louis payroll $90,286,823

Nearly $16 Mill difference.  That buys you a good pitcher.

Stop bitching about Tony!  The problem is the top does not want to spend money.  When will I start seeing you all complaining about how cheap the Cardinals are.  I am getting tired of going to games and contributing my money to a bunch of cheap ass owners.  

If STL is serious they will open up the check books and spend some money.  

by ICbirdfan on Sep 19, 2007 10:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

people have been complaining
(probably irrationally) abou the owners being cheap: pretty much all offseason, all season last year, all offseason the year before, all of 2005, most of the 2004 off-season, ad infinitum.
"but the rain is so real, lord; and the rainbows pretend..."

by SleepyCA on Sep 19, 2007 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true
payroll could and should be greater with our resources.  for me personally what has chapped my ass the last two weeks with tony is this whole "poor me, maybe i should leave routine."  whether its good or not, tony is the most dominant personality in the clubhouse and how is the team supposed to feel good about going out and playing a hard 9 when all this is coming out about him possibly leaving.  i'm sure everyone agrees it's been an excrutiatingly bad and unlucky year, and blames go all around.  (next time anyone bitches about the payroll, remember it was duncan and larussa that wanted kippers so badly).

look i like tony, i think he's done great things keeping us a dominant team over the past 5-6 years, i guess i just expected more from him now that things are bleak rather then have him go out and try to abandon this sinking ship

foot soldier in the memphis mafia.....

by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 19, 2007 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree
This whole "he smiles too much" thing pissed me off.  IT IS A GAME! let the players enjoy themselves, yes it is a job and yes they need to play smart but damnit smiling is what make Jose Reyes as good as he is.  I really think Tony needs a break from Baseball for his own good, yes he is a good manager but he is not a good people person and right now we need that type of a guy leading what is increasingly becoming a younger team.

by StLHugo on Sep 19, 2007 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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