Game 150 Open Thread: September 18, 2007
by lboros on Sep 18, 2007 6:38 PM EDT
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todd wellmeyer still looks like a reliever to me. 3 of his 8 starts have lasted 3.2 innings or less; only one has gone longer than 5 and a third. his starter-only era isn't terrible, but his peripherals are, suggesting that he's not likely to maintain that era over the long haul. by contrast, he has been almost unhittable for the cardinals coming out of the pen:
| era | w/9 | k/9 | hr/9 | avg | obp | slg | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| as starter | 4.46 | 4.7 | 5.9 | 1.5 | .271 | .355 | .451 |
| as reliever | 1.26 | 3.8 | 9.4 | 0.6 | .174 | .283 | .239 |
again, those reliever figures apply only to his tenure in st louis. but they're telling, imho: as a reliever, throwing with full velocity and an abridged repertoire, wellemeyer has been rendering opposing hitters helpless. in his starts he's getting tagged pretty good, walking way too many guys and not keeping the ball in the park. it's a small sample, but all the same those disparities in strikeout rate and hr rate jump right out at me.
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Wellemeyer
Hamels is just getting back from the DL, if I'm not mistaken, soo hopefully we will be able to jump on him early. This is in hopes that the Phitin's dont jump all over us early, say top 1.
Go Cards!
Lets get Albert to 100!
Why not just come out firing everything?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
Hope.
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 6:34 PM EDT reply actions
Barden
"You have [Eckstein] and whatever his situation is there," La Russa said. "[Barden] could get a start or two there. He's shown some pop in his bat and [Triple-A manager Chris Maloney] has talked about his defense. He's capable."
I hope this translates as it states and Barden gets the nod really soon or tonight. I would undoubtedly select him over Bran-yawn or Egypt.
by yer dog first on Sep 18, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice.
If you haven't seen The Show on Mojo it's worth a look if you're into baseball reality shows. It's a bit dated but the stories are interesting. Plus, baseball in HD is always a good thing. I believe Barden shows up back when he was with the Snakes.
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Ya, Nippert blows
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He is starting...
Lineups - wishes granted
- Taguchi LF
- Ryan SS
- Pujols 1B
- Spiezio 3B
- Ankiel CF
- Molina C
- Schumaker RF
- Welly P
- Barden 2B
mets up 4-0 in the first
Go get 'em, boys!!!
Hmmmm
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
we have a game left against the mets
I'm not surprised that
I think he could be conditioned to go back to being a starter if they decide to keep him around for next year. His minor league stats listed earlier (452 minor league appearances with 488 strikeouts and 36 homeruns and a 3.02-3.05 ERA) look interesting.
Let that not hex you Welley!
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions
Mulder
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 7:56 PM EDT reply actions
If he's having
give him a good look
What's the deal with Pujols not being in the game?
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 18, 2007 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
Yup
I hope it's just a day-to-day thing cause the only thing I have left to cheer for is Pujols' streaks.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it'll never happen, but I'd almost be
by BTown Birds fan on Sep 18, 2007 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
without albert, DUNK, jimmy,scotty,juan,eck,AK
H O L Y crap.
so is this our C or Z line up?
Ironically, its not our worst
However, we need to start throwing strikes.
ask and you shall receive
i'm just blown away that our entire "regular" starting outfield & infield isn't playing. i'm just shocked. i know i shouldn't be, but i am.
every body but YADDA is out. thats insane.
3 walks in an inning
More like lucky to only give 1 run up.
i was just talking about the K
much better 2nd inning for Welley. just throw strikes dude.
cairo batting 3rd!
that is amazing
ghastly lineup. how often does a lineup full of replacement level (or worse) hitters ACTUALLY get run out on the field. it projects to score negative runs.
by willievinceterry on Sep 18, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
are you kidding me?
what
the
f!@k
Yes, how dare our hitter swing at a hittable pitch
Perhaps Ryan missed a sign.
Mark Grace on the Sunday game in Arizona talked about Ryan having a somewhat unusual personality--I think he said "flighty" or "spacy." That's obviously hearsay, but--why would you swing 3-0 on a guy like Hamels that just came back? I'm guessing he had the "take," and didn't. And if it's enough to get him benched--well, the old baseball coach is coming out in me. You wouldn't bench a dude for doing that once, but if it happened a couple, three, or four times...
As for Pujols swinging at the first pitch--would someone convince him to do so now and then?
Is Ryan hurt or is TLR playing games?
Swung at a 3-0 pitch and flew out
And Al and his 'lesson of playing baseball right' can stuff it. Coming from a guy who showboated while pitching, he needs to look in the mirror.
Swinging at 3-0 pitches isn't a bad thing.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
The point of the game is to learn to win the right way. Not batting practice for next season.
Yes
by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
meh
it could just as well could mess with Ryan's head
And still no one can answer why TLR, if he's so concerned about things like this, doesn't sit anyone else. He would not have sat Ankiel or Duncan, no matter what they had done. And Eck has made so many mistakes--ones that have lost games--and he's never pulled.
by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I had the same thought
disagree with you on this one
sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't; if the coach said not to, it isn't, and if Ryan blew off the coach, benching him is a sure way to get his attention.
ryan
Anouncer thinks it because he swung 3-0
un fucking believe able
Ryan out already
Shannon said Ryan's had a couple of run-ins with the Tony. Maybe we will resign Eck after all.
Maybe we should fire LaRussa
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan
All of you complaining need to realize this is why there are games the Cardinals do not hit well. That is a little thing that you must do.
You have to work the count at times.
Screw Ankiel for swinging at the 1st pitch
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok.
Working pitch counts is a nice concept but Hamels is a strikeout pitcher who has filthy stuff. Batters might only see one pitch per AB, if that, to hit. The pitch was in a bad location and Ryan just missed it. If anything, we should applaud the kid for being aggressive. Ryan isn't a bad hitter. This stunt by TLR can shatter a kid's confidence for the rest of the season.
Then again, I don't have children so I can't relate to what those younger than myself are going through...
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree...
Also, consider that Ryan ran the count to 3-0 to begin with. That was the 9th time he had done it. Now compare it to Miles, who despite getting basically 3x the playing time, has only worked a 3-0 count 7 times all season.
Wellemeyer is a reliever?
sweet double Rick
hey Al. SHUT UP
It really is time the media do its job
bush league
The fact that NO ONE on the team went over to sit with Ryan either was crap. Just leaving him to sit there and look like he was on the brink of tears on the bench was ignorant.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
dude
Then why..
You're wrong
Spiezio never played (and was later sent to rehab) after he got ejected in Pittsburgh when there was no one to play third.
Tony disciplines vets all the time.
I dont get your logic
My biggest problem with this is that you have Miles playing instead of Ryan. That is not a good way to win.
Tony does not call out his veterans
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Haven't seen Cardinal baseball all season....
Can't imagine a decent free agent wanting to play for "the genius."
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 18, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you are completely right
Also, how will it help him at the plate? He's been swinging the bat well. Now they'll probably make him overthink at that plate, having Tony sit on his shoulder with every swing.
The announcers said that Tony thought Ryan smiled too much out there. God forbid someone actually enjoy baseball. I think Ryan's too upregulated for Tony. Just because TLR looks like he's wearing a hair shirt doesn't mean everybody else has to act the same way.
That basically ruined this game for me. For every person who has come up since Ryan, I keep counting their swings and then pronouncing when each one should be pulled. Then I call Tony names. Very enjoyable....
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
smile too much?
by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, TLR said on the pregame show
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree. Just shut them up.
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
e-mails
by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The Mets
I know our boys are out but around baseball their is some pretty wild things going on. At this point just about all of the NL slots for the playoffs are up for grabs.
People
Just like when Bobby Cox yanked Andrew Jones in the middle of an inning when he was showboating and messed up. He made a mental error and Bobby was not having it.
You need to hold guys accountable and make sure they are playing the game right. Just because the Cards are out does not mean you go up hacking without a game plan. Since when does a contact hitter like Brendan need to swing 3-0 b/c the pitcher may groove a pitch. That is something Branyan my try. Ryan is a good hitter, and this will only make him better.
Steve Stone talks crap about the Cubs never having a manager who held people accountable for not doing the little things.
Don't get mad b/c Ryan is out. It was a good thing.
Don't agree at all
TLR is a control freak. However, he is no longer making rational decisions. He is no longer an asset to this team.
Once again
I'm not watching so I cannot speak to Tony yelling at Ryan. But Ryan was wrong.
Maybe...
But even so, I don't see what Tony did will do any good. If anything, it's just going to make him never go to a 3-0 count again.
Ryan's not great at it, but he does work the count more than most other Cardinals, averaging 3.7 pitches AB. Should he be jumped on for one mistake?
Tony should be on Miles' case for hit pitiful 3.4 pitches per AB.
for me it depends
i think a healthy albert or scotty should be given the green light in an rbi situation. i agree that's something that's driven me nuts.
brendan's neither of them. he was wrong, but i also didn't like how tony handled it.
I still think Tony's right on this one
For a rookie to swing at a 3-0 pitch, with no one on, down by one run, and in the first inning makes absolutely no sense.
You swing at 3-0 pitches when runners are on and you have the chance to score by making contact. By swinging there is over an 75% chance something bad happens.
I think the reactions from Tony haters are over the top.
i am not a Tony hater
i love Tony but he was flat out wrong for doing that. and the pussies who are the STL media will once again let it slide.
you described that well
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It's one thing for
It's another for TLR to pull him from the game. To think that Ryan has to be publicly disciplined (and let's not pretend it's something other than that) to learn his lesson is an insult to Ryan.
Perhaps
Still, I'm not a fan of a public dressing-down, either.
i really hope Griffin Whitman & his parents
those damn canidian's wont stop chanting
RED SOX SUCK. RED SOX SUCK.
(please people i'm joking, dont get mad)
Question.
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
do you know that woman?
not yet (hadn't heard of it)
i just saw your reply
i wont bore every one with dads story, but its a lot different than yours. i wish you all the best. keep fighting the good fight.
i 'd like to hear your dad's story.
i hope the segment turns out okay. we figured if i'm going out anyway, might as well try to make as much noise as i can!
It
I'm glad you shared your story with the world. More people need to be involved in finding a cure.
why the MRI?
at the risk of being a total dork, are you a harry potter fan? i ask because i find help and strength where i can, and often it's in some odd little passage of something i'm reading or watching. one of my favorite quotes is hagrid near the end of book 3: "what's coming will come an' we'll face it when it does." or, if you're more a lord of the rings fan...
Frodo: "I wish the Ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened."
Gandalf: "So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us." (my emphasis)
i probably should be quoting some more significant philosophers than rowling or tolkien, but whatever works, right?
anyway, hang in there. sorry the cardinals aren't providing a better diversion for you when you need it. know that a fellow cards fan is pulling for you.
Variety of symptoms
I've been writing about it on my website. Right now I'm referring to it as my mystery condition.
Tolkien and Rowling have sound advice. Most of the time I'm okay. But sometimes... I just feel like panic is gripping me.
That's an impressive story
I hope he saw your story and was inspired.
why do we have to watch nightline?
i better record it then
by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
will wonders never cease
Harang
If everyone thinks Ryan is a good player, he totally understands what Larussa did. It will make him better. He is a grown man and I think he understands he messed up. I did not see Tony addressing him but it should not be done on camera if it is negative.
Please.
This organization needs a new direction. The World Series honeymoon is over in my mind.
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure he treated Miles the same way
Double standards are fun. Ryan got pulled yesterday after he made an error.
Tony's a grumpy Gus who is getting his hat handed to him this year because of his loyalty to guys like Kip Wells, Miguel Cairo, Preston Wilson, etc. He's run players out there who were hurt, who were battling substance abuse, etc. He's been outsmarted by the likes of Bob Melvin, Lou Pinella and Bruce Bochey. He has openly negotiated his contract in the national papers, something he chastised Edmonds about for doing in the local papers.
He's a guy who has done a lot of questionable stuff this year but doesn't like to be questioned.
He needs to go. The game has passed him by. Station to station, stuck in your ways bullpen assignments aren't how to win baseball games anymore.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The call was a hit and run
Loyalty to Veterans? How did he win last year? He benched Rolen because he thought he was hurt and not performing. He mostlyh used Johnson, Kinney, and Wainwright in the bullpen. He took Marquis off the roster and went with Reyes.
He refused to play Spiezio after he got ejected in Pittsburgh, when he shouldn't have because Rolen was hurt, and then just days later Spiezio "voluntarily" went to rehab.
To say Tony is nuts because of the situations you observe seems somewhat biased.
How do you know it was a hit and run?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
one out, runner on first, gb hitter, close game
It was a weird comment anyway. Miles got a single and So scored.
Man, I really dislike TLR
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 18, 2007 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
What would be fantastic?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions
TLR bashers
What has Lou done so well? He has definitely had better pitching than Tony. That was kind of expected unless you don't understand baseball.
So unless you have some great manager in mind just deal with Tony. There is a reason that people like Steve Stone like Tony. Tony is still a good manager.
Heh.
Yes, just not for the Saint Louis Cardinals...
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony would be great with a $150M + payroll
He needs to learn how to get the most out of young, cheap, players.
Why Not?
payroll
Question.
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
i get tired of the ____ bashers lines
+1
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Are we saying the same thing
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
well, you're not going to find anyone in
Good.
If I'm Rasmus or Anderson, and I'm in the minors watching this game, I would wonder how bad TLR is going to flip out when I pull my first Brendan Ryan in the batter's box.
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine.
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Shannon
by Some witty name on Sep 18, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
He is opening another...
I have always liked Tony
Manager
I don't think you are going to find an available guy to do better than TLR.
you can't tell
True
Regress?
Next year's roster will (hopefully) include a 3rd basemen who hates him, a SS who feels like his whipping boy, a 2nd basemen who is disgruntled about being benched and then being forced to bat 9th, a CF who thinks he's lost touch with reality and a RF who he screwed around with as a pitcher.
How can LaRussa manage a team that thinks so little of him?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
...because
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose Oquendo
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose
Steve Stone was saying how it is impossible to believe that STL did not have a ton of money this past off season due to all the fans they drew and other revenue opportunites gained by winning the WS.
The problem is at top and I am not talking Walt.
I like Steve Stone
Jed
Beer... its called Beer, Al
beer
Sane Voice
You are a manager of a major league baseball team. You have just come off of one of your most successful seasons, and then things go wrong. First you lose your ace, and your offense goes MIA for the first two months of the season. Well it's okay, because you know they will come back. Then your offense starts hitting again, while your pitching goes to crap. Then a pitcher dies. Then the injury bug hits. You lose your catcher for a while. Then an outfielder or two. Then a second baseman. Then a third baseman. By the all-star break your team (including pitching) looks more like a triple-A roster than major league. But somehow, someway you keep your sanity.. and your chances alive. Good things happen. Your starting right fielder has a solid season. You call up a phenom outfielder who takes the league by storm. Things are looking up. You're right in the thick of the playoff race. Maybe things will be alright.
Then all hell breaks loose... again. Your starting right fielder has a freak injury that may end his career. Allegations come out against your phenom outfielder. And a season that was about to turn the corner turns to crap in front of your eyes. You lose 11 out of 12 games, ending your playoff hopes.
Your whole life is baseball, your job, your livelihood. And this year that has meant trials, frustration, anger, disappointment, and tragedy. And through it all you still have to face the media, try to be positive. The fans, almost as frustrated as you are, look for someone convenient to blame it on - you.
Okay. Now you've peeked inside Tony's world.
Lay off him already.
hey he can get pissed all he wants
I'm defending his rant on Ryan
Why not?
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Everyone's
not me
Larry
by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
You left out the drunk manager part
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 18, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
No.
Nothing you mentioned excuses what he did to show up one of his players at home in public .
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
This is fun!!!!!
TLR
Like I said listen to 670 the Score and Steve Stone discusses how he can't believe how cheap the Cardinals are. He said based on the attendance and their play-off run and WS victory they should have had plenty of $$ to spend. Now is STL going to become a team where the owners stop spending money? They try to get bargins? They could have had Lilly for what they are going to spend on "bargain" players. Not that I am saying I liked the Lilly singing but at somepoint they need to spend.
Not having good players
And he is the one that keeps putting Miguel Cairo in the lineup. If he is doing it to prove a point, once again, Brendan Ryan doesn't seem to be the one that needs an attitude adjustment.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i was hoping to get that answer earlier
by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
You can separate the question
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Those rotoworld guys
they're not very objective
by Some witty name on Sep 18, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Mussina update
7 IP
3 H
1 BB
6 K
Yankees blowing out Orioles, Red Sox just coughed up the lead to the Blue Jays in the bottom 8. That AL East lead is shrinking. Can you say '1978'?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions
AJ pitched really well for the jays too
Please don't
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 18, 2007 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Kip should walk more batters
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions
I'm sorry
Also. Why is it bad to swing 3-0 but it's ok to hit and run on a 2-0 pitch when the pitcher just walked the batter before?
Cause the notecard
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That last play brings a thought to mind
My vote is Shu'. He (Shu') is a better OFer and Rick's arm is more valuable in right.
Schumaker already tried to re-enact
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I missed that
does every one realize that with YADDA
this is just insane. not one of our regulars is in. not one single player. crazy.
why is Yadi out?
by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i have no idea
highly doubt he took a swing at a 3-0 pitch. but you never know.
flu-like symptoms for Yadi
by cardsgirlinAR on Sep 18, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
BENCH HIM!!
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
If it had been Brendan
OT: How good would this team be if Ryan Ludwick and Chris Duncan could hit LHP?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think TRL's head would explode
"Well I saw that Cairo was batting 3rd so I figured you weren't trying to win."
that would be hilarious
damn blackout
this looks like
is that why
Please no more comments about S Dunc.
oh come on
and in comes FLO to blow the game wide open
WOW
that's the FLO we all used to know & love.
our best starting pitcher is also
crazy.
y was welly pulled so short
werth
i agree
This is one of the strangest games I have...
I just read the Roto bar
he said that & more
totally uncalled for.
In view of the camera......
Tony plays favorites
I agree that it's unacceptable.
The SBNation's Atlanta Falcons Blog
by Dave Choate on Sep 18, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll play the TLR's advocate...
You know what, the da** message gets across then. As a coach, you'd much prefer it get across some gentler, kinder way. But then, some guys had what I termed a "learning problem," and you have to "help" them through it using extraordinary means.
I have no idea if that's what happened here. But that is the scenario that seems the most plausible.
sadly we will never know
slam-a-lama-ding-dong?
slam-a-lama-ding-dong?
Nah.
by champion on Sep 18, 2007 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
let's go
by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 18, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
The Phillies have 2 hits
and 7 LOB.
We sure do walk a lot of batters.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
The philles have been
HOw does that happen?
Apparently in the pre-game he said something
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
No
but since you were talking about it.
interesting that they say TLR doesn't like Ryan smiling an dboom he's out of the game moments later. I wonder if Ryan hits a HR does he get taken out?
Nice grab
Izzy has been awesome these last 2 nights
No sense in hurting that hip.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:17 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed
by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
How predictable is this situation?
Here comes the BOOM
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
this is not good
this loss is on Tony
I fault
The throw was almost in the dirt...
i was waiting for that
by enoscountry on Sep 18, 2007 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
because Tony's boy Mini Me sucks
stupid stupid stupid.
I don't have much of a problem
you dont have a problem with throw
you have to give your catcher a better chance than miles gave stinett.
Not what I wrote...
ok, i'm confused
actually isn't that the 3rd ball stinett had this game? didnt he drop another short hop throw?
i agree stinett should have cought the ball. but it was a bad throw, and i think if you are going to throw home you better get it there on the fly so you give your catcher the best chance to make that play.
so IMO it's half Miles falut & half stinett's fault.
I'm not sure without a replay
deep on the IF
they both could have
good question.
I was thinking the same thing
Stinnet
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 18, 2007 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
Who knows
by player2bnamedl8r on Sep 18, 2007 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparantly
Atre we really gonna lose after 2-hitting
And of course now we have to wonder...
I hope Tony enjoyed his tantrum...
And Tony reaps what he sows
And now we've burned out our bullpen for the one guy who will give us our best chance to win tomorrow night.
by nycardfan on Sep 18, 2007 11:33 PM EDT reply actions
I'm amazed that
by thomaslj on Sep 18, 2007 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on Ryan's original reaction and
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
If Ryan just screwed up
by thomaslj on Sep 18, 2007 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
someone needs to watch the post-game
by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
This is like
I found myself saying.
"Damn you Geronimo Pena. Why did you throw it home. Pags is out of the game."
you better get a freakin hit Miles
if Cairo hits a walk-off
Why is Cairo hitting for himself?
But no Pujols, Edmonds or Branyan? Really?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:39 PM EDT reply actions
why use those guys
by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 18, 2007 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm I don't have much faith in J'Ed anymore
i will always have more faith in Jed
by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Myers is concerned about Cairo at first
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:42 PM EDT reply actions
come on rick
by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 18, 2007 11:42 PM EDT reply actions
so who's warming up?
by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 18, 2007 11:44 PM EDT reply actions
plenty left
by mattyfrommo on Sep 18, 2007 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
good to see troy
by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 18, 2007 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that a bad thing?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 18, 2007 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You forget our centerfeilder
The biggest problem
by thomaslj on Sep 18, 2007 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
thompson only pitche 3 innings yesterday
miles won't pitch again
by mattyfrommo on Sep 19, 2007 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
good zing
by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait... they scored
Nice throw by Stinett
I doubt it
alright boys
that's what she said!
damn technology messing up my witty remark
by mattyfrommo on Sep 19, 2007 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
What are the odds of Howard and Rowand
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:06 AM EDT reply actions
Only...
by champion on Sep 19, 2007 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be Al
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
i could not believe what i was hearing
Falkenborg
by cardsgirlinAR on Sep 19, 2007 12:08 AM EDT reply actions
His new nickname will be Ricky-Bobby
have we really used 16 pitchers
Joe Table!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions
He has 300+ saves?
this box score
HA!
Roger Clemens wife made the wrong decision
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:23 AM EDT reply actions
there are pluses to blackouts
by mattyfrommo on Sep 19, 2007 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
enjoy the game everyone
quitter
(it's obvious to every one i'm joking right?)
dear baby jesus
sincerly,
ricky bobby.
ditto for J Roll baby Jesus
nice
by cardsgirlinAR on Sep 19, 2007 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
it worked!
thank you!
now please baby Jesus, please let the Cards get a walk off win in the bottom half of the inning.
i wouldnt have it any other way
question
by Pujols on Sep 19, 2007 12:33 AM EDT reply actions
The longest MLB game on record
by thomaslj on Sep 19, 2007 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
For as good as Polanco has turned out
I thought Phillies made a smart move when they signed him.
and breaking news Falkenborg is awesome past midnight EDT (god's time that is).
Can The Falkener
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:34 AM EDT reply actions
only if he irons his hat
Pujols!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:35 AM EDT reply actions
Mike Maroth
Apparently you missed Maroth's
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
as long as he does not go for more than one
but, since i asked baby Jesus for a walk off, there's no need to fear. mike wont pitch tonight.
Egypt is trying to go
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:37 AM EDT reply actions
dear baby Jesus
sincerely yours,
ricky bobby
10 players have occupied the #1 slot
Taguchi
Springer
Flores
Wainwright
Reyes
Franklin
Izzy
Eck
Percy
Branyan
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:40 AM EDT reply actions
Albert needs the walk
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:42 AM EDT reply actions
He should have brought a chair
I hope they let Edmonds start at 1st tomorrow, since Ryan can't play SS from the doghouse.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Pinch Runner
How about straining your back
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Start Aaron Miles
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
damnit mesa
This game
When is the ping-pong ball drop?
What ever happened to Sno Cones?
He's got a shifting injury
I keep expecting Dan to say he's in a coma and listed as day-to-day. They change the story every game.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
i was just going to say
gary bennett
aka snow cones
last year was fun
I hope Wainwright has gone to bed
by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 12:49 AM EDT reply actions
i want to play in your league
STOP MAKING FUN OF ECK !
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
HE'S A HUMAN BEING!
having seen Eck's wife
(but I reserve the right to complain about his shortcomings on the field).
Where do you play
It's only auto outs if it's Co-ed and yo play at Big League Dreams.
actually, I'm in socal too
for those of you with DTV EI
I think Maroth has thrown more to 1st than to home
with kelly stinnett catching
He is
Please walk him
Yes, 3 run HR is the way to go...
I hate walks... Never a good idea in my book.
i'll take howards 3rd K of the night
Is anyone else
Is it too late for additional callups?
Barajas looks a bit like John Kruk
well who didnt see that coming?
ugh
I didn't.
yeah how lucky are the Cards
There is the XBH I was expecting.
well, at least Jiminez
That bites hard
Who is due up for the Cardinals?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 1:07 AM EDT reply actions
Nevermind
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
baby Jesus owes us a walk off
On the bright side
by willievinceterry on Sep 19, 2007 1:08 AM EDT reply actions
The Mets aren't really Pond Scum anymore
WE are the new Pond Scum
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 19, 2007 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Well the '85-'88
well considering there a big pond outside of
Hurray, at least we set a record
Bright Side
Reyes also appeared
no
Why?
I mean, nothing about that is sad, even if you're expecting to lose. It's not like this team is barely recognizable as a major league franchise.
Thanks for articulating what I could not
yeah that was pretty good
i want a drink
what do i gotta do to get me one of those?
well that was,,,,
when crazy Tony takes over, you should expect the Cards to lose the game.
ya know what
it's funny
Another primary leadership rule is that "the leader must control his people", and though imho TLR lost control a long time ago (IE in the Drew days- and yes, i blame the veterans on the team [rolen, edmonds] for this, more than TLR) he bears responsibility for it and still has to do what he can to maintain control. Hopefully this is a step towards doing that.
and the last leadership thing
by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
story in the P-D tomorrow
by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 1:25 AM EDT reply actions
Yep
"What did the owners give him in the form of talent this year? Kip Wells? I think Tony has had it," Bissinger said on air.
I've never been a fan of his in game management but yeah I'd be pretty pissed off too if I was him. I remember last year Dave Duncan said about the 2006 Card's it's possibly the worst team he's ever coached (ironic World Series aside, it was probably the truth)
one freakin question about Ryan
"he swung at 3-0, he said something about 2-1, but we dont play like that. this is the big leagues, i was sending message."
no follow up. pussies. what a f'ing joke.
thanks for the update on that
They probably thought that was OK since they caught the video.
Well, message sent and message received: double standard, smile hating, rookie humiliating grump.
by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
joel just asked Miles what he thought
but Ricky Horton & Pat Parris said Tony's been upset at Ryan for a while now. and the only thing they said was Tony didnt like it that Ryan smiles soo much. WTF? if that's the only thing Tony's upset at, if I'm Ryan, i go to Tony and find out why he hates happy rookies who are living their dream. and if he does not give me a good answer i say something to the press. that's flat out wrong.
Ricky said Ryan might have missed some signs earlier in the year but he could not say for sure, he was only guessing at why Tony was mad at Ryan.
so if Ryan does not know why his manager is mad at him, and the press does not know why the manager is mad at him. does the manager even know why he's mad at Ryan? seriously this is effed up.
It's rediculous
by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks again for the info
by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
no problem. i'm always up any way at this time
this lack of communication has been a big problem for years now. earlier in the year there was an issue with Jimmy going on the Dl when he didnt know he was going on the DL. last year scotty & Tony didnt talk. there's more, but i'm not going to list every single issue now.
needless to say, Tony's lack of communication is, and always has been a huge problem.
it drives me crazy too
by nycardfan on Sep 19, 2007 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Nickname.
The Cooler.
He takes away the smiles of everyone.
by champion on Sep 19, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
so TLR covered for him.
Or Ryan tried to lie about not knowing what the count was (or lost track of the count), both of which were potentially worth being benched for.
Or TLR flat out lied, in which case nothing that is ever said can be trusted and it's pointless to continue to ask questions.
Those post-games
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 19, 2007 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
the only reason the STL media hates them
until now i wanted Tony to retire a Cardinal. now i wish that he would go to philly or boston and see what it like when the manager cant scare the reporters who cover the team. Tony wouldnt last 5 minutes in one of those towns.
Whoever writes for Rotoworld
Pujols walked and did not single last night. If he had seen a pitch to hit from Mesa last night the Cardinals would have won. Entertainment over news I guess.
TLR
Here is something that somehow goes over all Cardinal fans.
Seattle payroll $106,460,833
St. Louis payroll $90,286,823
Nearly $16 Mill difference. That buys you a good pitcher.
Stop bitching about Tony! The problem is the top does not want to spend money. When will I start seeing you all complaining about how cheap the Cardinals are. I am getting tired of going to games and contributing my money to a bunch of cheap ass owners.
If STL is serious they will open up the check books and spend some money.
people have been complaining
true
look i like tony, i think he's done great things keeping us a dominant team over the past 5-6 years, i guess i just expected more from him now that things are bleak rather then have him go out and try to abandon this sinking ship
by CarolinaCardinal on Sep 19, 2007 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
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