Game 146 Open Thread: September 15, 2007
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15-7, 3.85 |
12-10, 4.70 |
pj walters pitched well but got taken deep twice by nick hundley as the springfield cardinals lost 3-2 in game 3 of the texas league playoffs. the cardinals trail 2 games to 1 in the series and need to win the last 2 games to claim the championship. game 4 is tonight; adam daniels pitches.
regarding our own birds, i'll repeat what i said last time wainwright lost a game like this:
hgh-disclosure fallout: since the news broke ankiel is 2 for 28 with 0 walks and 9 strikeouts.
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Credit given freely here.
Now we have a young stud pitcher ready to anchor a great Cardinal team. I just hope the front office figures out a way to provide it to him this offseason.
by the red baron on
Sep 15, 2007 9:49 AM EDT
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You're absolutely right, credit should be given
by nycardfan on
Sep 15, 2007 11:16 AM EDT
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It is, what it is.
Unless the Cards can reenact 1964, our opportunity for 2007 is gone. I just hope they can hang in there and not get embarrassed the rest of the season.
Now, how do we get better next year?
by Anteus on
Sep 15, 2007 9:55 AM EDT
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Salary differential and offseason spending
For now, both teams are close in the total payroll area; Cubs (8) and Cards (12)
- Chicago Cubs 99,936,999
- St. Louis 90,286,823
Offseason spending. I'm pretty sure this is where the disparities start. The Cubs spent an astronomical amount (to me, anyway) of money in the offseason, to play at or around .500 ball. I, for one, wouldnt be too excited about that, considering we spent markedly less and are still within striking distance of them. Though, I too am starting to lean toward the negative side of the, "it aint over yet" statement.
by yer dog first on
Sep 15, 2007 12:49 PM EDT
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On Ankiel
by jgist on
Sep 15, 2007 9:59 AM EDT
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You're absolutely correct....
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Sep 15, 2007 10:24 AM EDT
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was just gonna say the same thing
by erik on
Sep 15, 2007 10:28 AM EDT
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he was due to regress, obviously
but there seems to be a clear relationship between the hgh disclosure and his subsequent slump. was he gonna regress anyway? yeah. but the hgh thing probably hastened / sharpened that regression.
sometimes a change in performance simply represents random variation, and sometimes it's caused by something else. i think this falls into the latter category.
by lboros on
Sep 15, 2007 10:52 AM EDT
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I agree
by nycardfan on
Sep 15, 2007 11:12 AM EDT
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Me too.
by MdRedbirdFreak on
Sep 15, 2007 11:58 AM EDT
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I hate being this guy
2 Hits / 19 BIP = .105
That's his BABIP. I don't know the composition of the outs -- GB vs LD vs FB -- or anything else (and I personally agree that the HGH thing probably has messed with him) but this could be the most ordinary of luck induced slumps as well.
by azruavatar on
Sep 15, 2007 12:36 PM EDT
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Duncan has been given enormous
He's new to the big leagues, he did not have as many at-bats in the minors as is normal, he's a lot like Duncan in that he strikes out quite a bit and needs to learn more plate discipline. In Ankiel's favor, he looks like he has been making adjustments better at the plate than Duncan has (or least he was until the story broke). And his potential in the outfield far surpasses anything Duncan is capable of (he has The Arm).
I'm sure the story knocked him and the team off their stride. But I also think he has a good chance of coming back. He looks relaxed in the field again and at least he's beginning to make contact again with his bat.
Remember that there were arguments not that long ago about Wainwright's fixed "ceiling" and that, supposedly according to his statistics, he could never be a front of rotation guy or that he could drop his ERA below 4.25. And of course there's the glaring disconnect between Reyes' minor league stats versus his major league performance (I guess that would be a fixed "floor").
Given that, I'm uncomfortable slotting players too early in their careers and setting an artificially low "ceiling" or "floor". Baseball involves so much physical and psychological maturation that it takes more time than their minor league experience affords to gauge someone's real capacities.
I don't think we have a good idea yet which direction Ankiel will go--he's given different glimpses of his talent, just like Duncan has and just as Wainwright did early on in his minor major league career.
by nycardfan on
Sep 15, 2007 11:08 AM EDT
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I think both are probably true
The good news is that the season's about over. This could be a lot worse had it occurred in May. He should be able to start fresh next spring -- w/o all the distractions from the HGH, w/o feeling like he has to carry the offense to the title, and just play ball. He won't be a superstar but I do believe he can be a solid contributor to the offense, once this distraction is past him.
by chuckb on
Sep 15, 2007 12:12 PM EDT
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IZZY
That was an outstanding move. You have no shot a scoring a run against Big Z if he pitches the 9th inning. You walk Kendall so Pinella has to decide if he wants Big Z hitting with the bases loaded or a pinch hitter. Larussa/Dunc knew that if Z comes out Demp closes. Demp is very shaky especially with a 1 run lead. Ward just came up with a big and put the Cubs up enough that the lead held.
Anyone think Edmonds could have caught that ball had he been playing deeper? It seems like he was playing shallow. I have voiced my opinion a lot about Edmonds poor positioning. He is playing too shallow, as he just cant go back on balls anymore. That ball hung up forever and it barley made it to the warning track. That ball should have been caught.
by ICbirdfan on
Sep 15, 2007 11:26 AM EDT
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I was at the game
by StLHugo on
Sep 15, 2007 12:01 PM EDT
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I think Jimmy
We had good opportunities to go .500 over the last 8. Knowing that makes the losing streak that much more painful.
by liam on
Sep 15, 2007 12:03 PM EDT
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more on Haren
Mulder was clearly that guy given his stats over the previous five years. One would expect to pay dearly for him and we did.
The "He was hurt and on the way down" argument is mere hindsight. Yeah, his previous six months weren't great but all the docs gave him a passing grade. (and I cringe when bloggers critize MDs, especially our own)
Yeah, Danny's been better and we'd rather have him. But at the time, I would have made that trade with my eyes closed. To conclude anything else is simply 20/20 hindsight.
by Hinkster on
Sep 15, 2007 12:11 PM EDT
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not entirely hindsight
but there were plenty of voices (esp within the stathead community) who predicted, correctly, that the cardinals would regret the trade.
by lboros on
Sep 15, 2007 12:25 PM EDT
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Again.
by champion on
Sep 15, 2007 12:31 PM EDT
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No way
I didn't like the trade then, and I absolutely loathe it now.
by 26thMan on
Sep 15, 2007 7:24 PM EDT
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Disagree
by champion on
Sep 15, 2007 8:02 PM EDT
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What?!
I hope you mean 2005...
by spants on
Sep 15, 2007 8:06 PM EDT
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Last Year.
by champion on
Sep 15, 2007 9:32 PM EDT
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Just because your claim is THAT silly:
Danny Haren
2005: 14-12, 217 IP, 3.73 ERA, 120 ERA+, 1.221 WHIP
2006: 14-13, 223 IP, 4.12 ERA, 108 ERA+, 1.206 WHIP
2007 (so far): 14-7, 202 IP, 3.11 ERA, 141 ERA+, 1.209 WHIP
Mark Mulder
- 16-8, 205 IP, 3.64 ERA, 117 ERA+, 1.376 WHIP
- 6-7, 93.3 IP, 7.14 ERA, 62 ERA+, 1.704 WHIP
Granted, 2007 Mulder is recovering from a surgery. I think his mechanics are whack and if he doesn't return to 2004/2005 form in the physical act of pitching, he's never going to be better than Haren again.
Still think Mulder helped us in 2006? More than Haren would've? Remember: W-L record isn't always indicative of the quality of pitching. I'm sure Haren lost some games when he probably shouldn't have, and Mulder probably won some games he shouldn't have. If you want, we can call 2005 a push, but in 2006, Haren is CLEARLY the better pitcher.
by spants on
Sep 15, 2007 11:41 PM EDT
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Hmm...
by champion on
Sep 16, 2007 7:59 AM EDT
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None of that
Basically, you're just saying that Mulder helped us more in his 93 innnings of 7 ERA ball than Haren would've helped us in his 200+ innings of 4 ERA ball. It's ludicrous and you've said absolutely nothing to back up your claims.
by spants on
Sep 16, 2007 2:23 PM EDT
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You
Haren's peripherals are better than Mulder's. It's just that Haren isn't a groundball pitcher, so he didn't fit into the Cards' pitching philosophy.
Check out Hardball Times. Learn about the different ways of judging a pitcher's performance. Then we can have an enlightened discussion. Until then, you're just making statements with no weight.
by spants on
Sep 16, 2007 2:37 PM EDT
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Some reason my post didn't show up
- Cardinals trade a pitcher who could be good over 10 years for a polished guy they hoped for 2.
- As you said, they needed that final piece. Their Pettite to their Clemens, their Schilling to their Pedro.
- They also needed an insurance policy for Chris Carpenter should he get injured for another postseason.
- The Godfather of Seoul, Hee Sop Choi is the reason, in my mind the Cardinals weren't NL Champs again in 2005. Scott Rolen doesn't make that ridiculous throw Hector Luna did in Game 3 of the NLCS.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 12:47 PM EDT
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Letter Writing/Media Relations Campaign
Daily Kos and other grassroots/netroots type websites have done well in pushing their agenda on the powers that be. I'm sure we can muster enough publicity around the country to make a stand. I want ownership to sign the best hitter in baseball to hit behind the best hitter in the National League. We deserve only the best. No more league average filler types on the roster. Sign the best.
How do we make this happen? I'm totally serious. If we want A-Rod to come to St. Louis we need to be proactive NOW.
by champion on
Sep 15, 2007 12:33 PM EDT
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Future
by yer dog first on
Sep 15, 2007 1:02 PM EDT
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Answer.
No.
A-Rod fills so many holes on the team with one signing. Plus, the merchandise sales and the exposure he'd bring to the franchise and the city of St. Louis is worth it - in my opinion. Aim high. Settle for nothing but the best.
So, where should we begin the Sign A-Rod Movement? Bernie's Pressbox? Constant call-ins to every sports radio show in the area? Letter writing campaigns to DeWitt and each of the managing partners?
Let's move!
by champion on
Sep 15, 2007 5:54 PM EDT
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Linuep from Yahoo!
A. Miles 2b
S. Taguchi lf
A. Pujols 1b
R. Ludwick rf
J. Edmonds cf
Y. Molina c
M. Cairo 3b
B. Looper p
B. Ryan ss
No Ankiel against LHP. Not that it really matters. He couldn't hit a Jugs machine right now.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 12:53 PM EDT
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I highly reccommend reading
by azruavatar on
Sep 15, 2007 1:02 PM EDT
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this and the trade a-rod link
by acham8206 on
Sep 15, 2007 1:51 PM EDT
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I guess everyone is still in bed.
In New York, Pedro is getting pounded by the Phillies.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:21 PM EDT
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Ok
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:24 PM EDT
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Would you agree that Lilley's performance...
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Sep 15, 2007 1:25 PM EDT
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Without a doubt
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:29 PM EDT
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I think that called igh strike is the biggest
by outraged on
Sep 15, 2007 1:29 PM EDT
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If not him...
Jason Bay's subpar season was a surprise to me.
I'm surprised that neither Harangatan nor Cornroyo have spent significant time on the DL after the abuse they've taken for their third consecutive season.
by liam on
Sep 15, 2007 1:37 PM EDT
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Honorable mentions
- Braden Looper being an effective starter.
- Lance Berkman and Albert Pujols getting off to terrible starts.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:44 PM EDT
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agreed re: marquis.
by acham8206 on
Sep 15, 2007 1:48 PM EDT
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I'm not sure that was a strike even under....
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Sep 15, 2007 1:28 PM EDT
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I'm not even sure it was a strike
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:29 PM EDT
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HP ump wants this game over....
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Sep 15, 2007 1:31 PM EDT
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What were Mike and John talking about
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:30 PM EDT
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Jimm-ah!
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:33 PM EDT
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Kip Wells
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:35 PM EDT
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for your sake,
by acham8206 on
Sep 15, 2007 1:36 PM EDT
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OK, since there is only the three or four of us...
Michigan's inept defense or
ND's inept offense?
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Sep 15, 2007 1:38 PM EDT
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When was the last time the two teams
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:38 PM EDT
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sean astin
by acham8206 on
Sep 15, 2007 1:45 PM EDT
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26 pitch 1st inning
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:38 PM EDT
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Looper, Looper, Looper
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:44 PM EDT
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The key to the bottom of the 2nd
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:49 PM EDT
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How did I not notice until right now
Ugh.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:52 PM EDT
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you've heard of selective hearing?
by acham8206 on
Sep 15, 2007 1:53 PM EDT
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Unless we totally blow this
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 1:55 PM EDT
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On the dot.
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Sep 15, 2007 1:59 PM EDT
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wow, good call
by SleepyCA on
Sep 15, 2007 2:00 PM EDT
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This next inning is key
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 2:05 PM EDT
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Of course So swings at the 1st pitch
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 2:08 PM EDT
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Friggin Taguchi
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Sep 15, 2007 2:13 PM EDT
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Big reason we are in a loosing streak
by KYCards on
Sep 15, 2007 2:05 PM EDT
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Hector Luna now batting for Toronto
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Sep 15, 2007 2:08 PM EDT
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Fielder's choice.
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Sep 15, 2007 2:09 PM EDT
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I honestly didn't think Mark DeRosa would
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 2:17 PM EDT
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I thought 2006 was a fluke
by liam on
Sep 15, 2007 2:21 PM EDT
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ECHO
ECho
Echo
echo
echo
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 2:18 PM EDT
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Fine pitching by Looper
by liam on
Sep 15, 2007 2:20 PM EDT
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Need to score here
by KYCards on
Sep 15, 2007 2:22 PM EDT
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Edmonds was all over that
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 2:23 PM EDT
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72 pitches through Yadi...
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Sep 15, 2007 2:26 PM EDT
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Miguel Cairo, please go away
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 2:27 PM EDT
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No doubt
by KYCards on
Sep 15, 2007 2:29 PM EDT
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it's amazing that TLR can't see
If Upton does his job as a right fielder in AZ, Cairo's line looks like this:
.095/.136/.095
That's almost reyes-bad.
by SleepyCA on
Sep 15, 2007 2:39 PM EDT
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Taguchi's 1 pitch at-bat really hurts
Gotta make sure we throw a big inning up next inning. Even if we get 1 run, 20+ pitches is crucial.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 2:32 PM EDT
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Bottom of the order
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Sep 15, 2007 2:33 PM EDT
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Braden Looper vs Cubs
July 26: W 11-1
Aug 17: L 1-2
Wow.
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Sep 15, 2007 2:38 PM EDT
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Congrats So
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 2:44 PM EDT
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That'd be pitch 100
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 2:48 PM EDT
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Ugghhhh
by OCCardsFan on
Sep 15, 2007 2:51 PM EDT
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Bunch of people signing on for the other games
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 2:57 PM EDT
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How do you switch...
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Sep 15, 2007 3:01 PM EDT
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You can't
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:02 PM EDT
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If a runner get on this inning
by KYCards on
Sep 15, 2007 2:57 PM EDT
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I'd let Red PH
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:00 PM EDT
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If only Jimmy had played against lefties
by OCCardsFan on
Sep 15, 2007 3:00 PM EDT
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If Cairo stays in
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:02 PM EDT
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I am a better baseball player
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:03 PM EDT
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nah
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Sep 15, 2007 3:03 PM EDT
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4 things pissed me off about that inning
- edmonds wasn't hustling out of the box, so he has to hold at second when Soriano drops the ball
- yadi bunts with a man on second
- cairo was allowed to hit
- braden Looper was allowed to hit (he's at 98 pitches!!!!)
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Sep 15, 2007 3:05 PM EDT
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i don't mind looper hitting
(1) bunting with cairo and looper coming up
(2) letting cairo hit
(3) the piss-poor quality of cairo's at bat, which underlined the egregiousness of (2)
here's hoping spiezio starts the next game and cairo is nowhere to be found.
by willievinceterry on
Sep 15, 2007 3:10 PM EDT
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That is some piss poor managing!
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Sep 15, 2007 3:03 PM EDT
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How is Brian Barden
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:05 PM EDT
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Brian Barden's grandmother
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Sep 15, 2007 3:06 PM EDT
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She's a better manager than ...
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Sep 15, 2007 3:12 PM EDT
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I'd REALLY like to get a look at Barden
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Sep 15, 2007 3:09 PM EDT
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why bunt?
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Sep 15, 2007 3:04 PM EDT
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Without a doubt
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Sep 15, 2007 3:05 PM EDT
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Could it be possible?
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Sep 15, 2007 3:05 PM EDT
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I think we lost last nights game
The point of the expanded roster is that if Cairo's spot comes up in the 8th inning, PH for him and let a backup IF player play defense in the 9th.
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Sep 15, 2007 3:07 PM EDT
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This is setting up for another
How in the hell can Tony let Cario bat there?
This team is going to be in 5th place in the Central by the end of next week, maybe sooner.
by KYCards on
Sep 15, 2007 3:06 PM EDT
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With a 40 man roster...
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Sep 15, 2007 3:10 PM EDT
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2 runs won't win this game!
by chuckb on
Sep 15, 2007 3:11 PM EDT
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How about Looper?
Kip Wells...not so much.
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Sep 15, 2007 3:12 PM EDT
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indeed
i don't think anyone could have foreseen looper being so much more dependable and effective than either wells or reyes, myself included.
by willievinceterry on
Sep 15, 2007 3:18 PM EDT
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Channel Surfing
Take the link to channel mix and put it into the address bar on a normal window.
Allow it to load.
then take increase your zoom on the browser to 600%, scroll over to the Cards game.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:14 PM EDT
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Would really be nice if we
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Sep 15, 2007 3:14 PM EDT
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one reason i go easy on miles
cairo = not a true cardinal.
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Sep 15, 2007 3:15 PM EDT
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Can I make a suggestion to Tony?
Not that I don't trust Izzy but I'd rather have him fresh for the 2nd game instead of this one.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:23 PM EDT
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Franklin ain't got it today
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Sep 15, 2007 3:25 PM EDT
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Told ya
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Sep 15, 2007 3:28 PM EDT
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apparently not
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Sep 15, 2007 3:30 PM EDT
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i know franklin has been good all year
this is not crazy tony, but it is stubborn, set-in-his-ways tony.
i have a bad feeling about this inning. that was before he just walked the leadoff batter. bracing myself...
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Sep 15, 2007 3:26 PM EDT
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there should at least be someone warming in the pe
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Sep 15, 2007 3:27 PM EDT
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Too late
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Sep 15, 2007 3:29 PM EDT
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Ryan Franklin has turned back into a pumpkin
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Sep 15, 2007 3:28 PM EDT
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you can't say it was hindsight
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Sep 15, 2007 3:29 PM EDT
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We suck!
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Sep 15, 2007 3:30 PM EDT
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tony is one of those guinness guys
by acham8206 on
Sep 15, 2007 3:32 PM EDT
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Marmol will abuse the next 3 hitters
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Sep 15, 2007 3:30 PM EDT
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Pujols leads off
I'd much rather have Pujols up in the 9th, though.
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Sep 15, 2007 3:31 PM EDT
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Is it possible
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Oh well...
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Sep 15, 2007 3:31 PM EDT
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i'll be rooting for the diamonbacks in the NL
by willievinceterry on
Sep 15, 2007 3:38 PM EDT
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who wants to bet the cards
by KOA Cards on
Sep 15, 2007 3:32 PM EDT
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I told ya' 2 runs wouldn't be enough
by chuckb on
Sep 15, 2007 3:32 PM EDT
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How many of these games during the losing streak
by KOA Cards on
Sep 15, 2007 3:34 PM EDT
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Bring Gallego back
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Sep 15, 2007 3:36 PM EDT
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this pathetic streak may really be the end for ton
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Sep 15, 2007 3:34 PM EDT
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"tony", not "ton"
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Sep 15, 2007 3:36 PM EDT
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I'd trade Tony for the ND fat boy...
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Sep 15, 2007 3:37 PM EDT
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unbelievable
by SleepyCA on
Sep 15, 2007 3:36 PM EDT
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AP
by yer dog first on
Sep 15, 2007 3:36 PM EDT
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Cubs are going to sweep
by KYCards on
Sep 15, 2007 3:36 PM EDT
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wouldn't it be better
by chuckb on
Sep 15, 2007 3:36 PM EDT
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Well hell yes that makes sense, which is....
Tony must owe Lou a big favor.
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Sep 15, 2007 3:40 PM EDT
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Franklin's ERA
by heathen on
Sep 15, 2007 3:37 PM EDT
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Flo-mo
Thanks for taking a couple pitches Yadi! Way to make em work!
by yer dog first on
Sep 15, 2007 3:40 PM EDT
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dang
http://www.youatube.com/watch?v=JHZ-TnxcDN4
by effin fisk on
Sep 15, 2007 3:40 PM EDT
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It honestly looks like Tony is trying to lose
That was as bad as pinch-hitting for Ryan last night.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:41 PM EDT
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Agreed...
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Sep 15, 2007 3:45 PM EDT
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oh, I get it
that crazy TLR, always thinking 3 innings ahead, even in the 8th inning...
by SleepyCA on
Sep 15, 2007 3:47 PM EDT
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It's brilliant logic
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:53 PM EDT
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a september to remember
sorry if this sounds like the ravings of a mad man. it probably is.
by willievinceterry on
Sep 15, 2007 3:43 PM EDT
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Will Bill DeWitt
Just about any other owner other than maybe David Glass and whoever owns the Devil Rays & Marlins would HAVE to be thinking about making some MAJOR changes to the club for the next year.
by KYCards on
Sep 15, 2007 3:43 PM EDT
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Nice job
by yer dog first on
Sep 15, 2007 3:43 PM EDT
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Derosa
C'MON YOU CARDINALS!
Lets go Russ!
by yer dog first on
Sep 15, 2007 3:44 PM EDT
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once again, the inconsistent hook
by willievinceterry on
Sep 15, 2007 3:45 PM EDT
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Nothing strikes fear into Dempster's heart
Cairo
Branyan
Ryan
good thing we used our best power threat from the bench last inning.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:46 PM EDT
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it strikes fear into my heart
by chuckb on
Sep 15, 2007 3:47 PM EDT
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i wouldn't mind seeing branyan
there's also spiezio and skip.
i'm not sure ankiel counts as a power threat at the moment, but hopefully he will re-emerge as one sometime soon.
by willievinceterry on
Sep 15, 2007 3:49 PM EDT
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Power threat
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:52 PM EDT
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that's true
cairo < wells
cairo < wainwright
cairo < miles
etc.
regardless of the many disagreements here, i imagine we are all united in our recent suffering and our dislike of cairo.
by willievinceterry on
Sep 15, 2007 3:54 PM EDT
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a few more
cairo < ryan seacrest
cairo < nicole richie
by acham8206 on
Sep 15, 2007 3:57 PM EDT
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Well, thank the Lord the Cubs are still
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:47 PM EDT
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Pitch out!
by yer dog first on
Sep 15, 2007 3:47 PM EDT
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This team may have some dogs, but Yadi....
by Ignatius J Reilly on
Sep 15, 2007 3:47 PM EDT
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here's springer
by willievinceterry on
Sep 15, 2007 3:48 PM EDT
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Here is how the 9th will go
- Cairo will get a single that is bobbled by the RF. Cairo goes to 2nd.
- Branyan will hit a long fly ball to dead CF. Pie will catch it against the wall, Cairo will advance to 3rd. 1 out.
- Ryan will hit a groundball to the right side. Cairo will fail to score on it. 2 outs.
- Aaron Miles will pop up to the SS. 2 outs.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:49 PM EDT
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2 outs =3 outs.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:50 PM EDT
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i would prefer
by willievinceterry on
Sep 15, 2007 3:52 PM EDT
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if we are this disgusted with tony's
i've liked larussa, but like many on VEB, i hold him solely responsible for at least half of this losing streak.
and yet i'll watch again tonight.
by acham8206 on
Sep 15, 2007 3:51 PM EDT
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We are going boom-stick
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:53 PM EDT
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Why is Cairo being talked about
My head is exploding!
by yer dog first on
Sep 15, 2007 3:54 PM EDT
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nice pitches
wow, S.O. on three consecutive breaking balls! good waste of an at bat there!
by yer dog first on
Sep 15, 2007 3:55 PM EDT
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this will be the fifth loss
by willievinceterry on
Sep 15, 2007 3:55 PM EDT
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If we lose 11 in a row
Just have that feeling.
by KYCards on
Sep 15, 2007 3:55 PM EDT
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It's easy
by heathen on
Sep 15, 2007 3:56 PM EDT
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Dempster ain't sucking
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:56 PM EDT
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Way to make Dumpster work Skippy
by yer dog first on
Sep 15, 2007 3:57 PM EDT
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Duncan with a hernia over Ryan?
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 3:58 PM EDT
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i had double hernia once
Crazy tony.. his treatment of dunc this yr..DET and here makes me ready for a change
by punchinjudy on
Sep 15, 2007 4:02 PM EDT
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Hey this is a good spot for Ankiel!
by chuckb on
Sep 15, 2007 3:59 PM EDT
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tlr's decision on next year
"and that's a loser..."
by willievinceterry on
Sep 15, 2007 4:00 PM EDT
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your manager of the year,
by acham8206 on
Sep 15, 2007 4:00 PM EDT
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Can't be mad any more
by heathen on
Sep 15, 2007 4:00 PM EDT
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Why the hell would we use Duncan?
Fire this prick.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 4:01 PM EDT
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Like I posted above
by KYCards on
Sep 15, 2007 4:05 PM EDT
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TRL has lost at least 50%
by KOA Cards on
Sep 15, 2007 4:02 PM EDT
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No, please
by chuckb on
Sep 15, 2007 4:05 PM EDT
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regardless,
by KOA Cards on
Sep 15, 2007 4:06 PM EDT
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You put the players in the position
However, putting Miguel Cairo and Russell Branyan in crucial situations, hanging pitchers who are struggling out to dry, etc is on LaRussa.
If we don't win tonight, it'll be a 4 game sweep. Maybe that'll be best. I'd love to see Oquendo manage the final 15 games or so.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 4:09 PM EDT
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I think Oquendo is heir apparent
by KOA Cards on
Sep 15, 2007 4:11 PM EDT
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Then fire him
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 4:12 PM EDT
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I dont think that is the right message
by KOA Cards on
Sep 15, 2007 4:16 PM EDT
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Unfortunally our owner
I know Tony has had a great run, but a change is needed badly and you would think DeWitt would realize this after our 9th loss in a row.
by KYCards on
Sep 15, 2007 4:18 PM EDT
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Not on the bandwagon, but...
I don't blame all this on Tony, but this week has been the most depressing for me in recent memory—if not ever&151;sports-wise.
by liam on
Sep 15, 2007 5:23 PM EDT
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Per Bernie
11 for 30 (.367), 4 homers...
also, Floyd .333 vs. Franklin...
That is unacceptable.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 5:31 PM EDT
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jeez
But with regard to relievers, TLR always seems to be the last to get the memo. Franklin isn't a special player; the world won't end if Percival or Springer get the ball in the 8th. But TLR seems unable to change his perception that those two guys are contractually prohibited from pitching past the 7th in a close game . . .
by tdawg on
Sep 15, 2007 6:09 PM EDT
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he DOESN'T have to think about them
by SleepyCA on
Sep 15, 2007 7:24 PM EDT
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you're probably right
season officially over, with nails currently being hammered into casket. go brewers.
by willievinceterry on
Sep 15, 2007 4:09 PM EDT
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Be careful what you ask for
by Anteus on
Sep 15, 2007 4:45 PM EDT
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I don't believe that
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 4:59 PM EDT
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What about if we were stuck w/ Garner?
YUK
by nycardfan on
Sep 15, 2007 6:36 PM EDT
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i dunno
by SleepyCA on
Sep 15, 2007 7:47 PM EDT
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well that was fun
by SleepyCA on
Sep 15, 2007 4:02 PM EDT
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I hope Ned Yost
Seriously we are basically giving the Cubs the division this series.
Now watch we will sweep the Brewers when we play them and make it complete.
by KYCards on
Sep 15, 2007 4:32 PM EDT
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to be fair
by SleepyCA on
Sep 15, 2007 4:42 PM EDT
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If TLR leaves...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on
Sep 15, 2007 4:58 PM EDT
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How about my fantasy team?
Wainwright
Snell
Oswalt
Halladay
Blanton
pitch for me. With Blanton going this afternoon, I've logged this line over the last 2 days:
1-1
31 IP
23 Ks
.87 ERA
Blanton is still pitching.
by Hardcore Legend on
Sep 15, 2007 5:07 PM EDT
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Tough choice
by heathen on
Sep 15, 2007 5:41 PM EDT
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Isn't this team due for a big scoring game
I think our only chance of a win in the next 5 games is to score 10 runs or more and hope the other team only score 9.
Of course as long as we have Cairo & Taguchi in a line-up the chances become slimmer that we score big.
by KYCards on
Sep 15, 2007 5:51 PM EDT
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Sean Marshall
I aim to go to sleep tonight feeling a whole lot better than I feel now, be it by victory or booze.
by liam on
Sep 15, 2007 5:55 PM EDT
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My advice to you...
by player2bnamedl8r on
Sep 15, 2007 6:40 PM EDT
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TLR sets a new standard for the team
Sadly, I think we may be an eleven-in-a-row kind of team by this time tomorrow . . .
by tdawg on
Sep 15, 2007 6:03 PM EDT
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So if it is not a lack of talent
by heathen on
Sep 15, 2007 6:11 PM EDT
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Don't be foolish...
by Red Blazer on
Sep 15, 2007 11:16 PM EDT
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