dead men walking (UPDATE: ankiel to be called up)
i'd like to think that the cardinals are simply too tough to die. but the truth is probably more along these lines:
you can't kill something that's already dead.
these guys are zombies. shoot 'em, stab 'em, hack off their limbs, beat 'em 15 to 1; doesn't matter. they keep lurching forward. some of 'em are already half-decomposed, their crude mortician's stitches long since withered. there goes one without a shoulder; that one's missing a hip; here's one with his bones jutting out; and look at that one, almost all of his flesh has rotted away. disgusting. they're all gnarled and unsteady of gait; for several innings each game, and at least two entire games a week, they exhibit the frozen, unblinking visages of cadavers. and their careers? how many of these guys have been pronounced dead as professional ballplayers? gotta be 15 or 20. free-agents nobody else wanted, dessicated bodies exhumed from DFA graves, guys who are impossible to trade, failed prospects; there's even one guy who announced his retirement two years ago.
you'll have to forgive me for applying this metaphor during a season in which a cardinal player actually died. it's in poor taste, i concede --- but it fits so perfectly i can't help myself. the cardinals are dead and have been for most of a month, and yet they do not die. they defy nature. the terrified cubs and brewers run away and, being alive, quickly put distance between themselves and the lifeless monsters. but in their panic they inevitably trip over a rock or stumble over their own feet; when they look up here come the undead, staggering toward them with arms outstretched, fingers curled, hideous nails jutting out. a chilling spectacle. puts me in mind of what the local sheriff tells the tv reporter in Night of the Living Dead:
Sheriff: Yeah, they're dead, they're . . . . all messed up.
creepy, but kind of cool to watch. for summer entertainment, it'll do.
Update [2007-8-9 11:23:0 by lboros]: another zombie joins the mix: per deadspin, rick ankiel is getting called up to the big leagues. he was left for dead in 2001 and has died a thousand times since, and yet he's still here . . . . they can't kill him. i'm not very sentimental about this guy, but i hope he'll do well. if nothing else they'll find out how much of an option he is for next season; he certainly can't hurt anything in the short term. however it turns out, this is a storyline that needed to be closed.
go crazy, folks, go crazy.
* * * * * * * * *
apropos of nothing: who do you suppose the PTBNLs are for maroth and piniero? not an important subject, but with piniero starting tonight i got to wondering. various sources have suggested these are not important prospects. for some perspective, recall that when the cardinals traded for terrible pitchers last year they gave up rich scalamandre (for jorge sosa) and terry evans (for weaver). the guy headed to the tigers is supposedly a relief pitcher, so i'm gonna take a wild guess that the candidates for that PTBNL might include:- mark worrell: he's got great stats, and has throughout his minor-league career --- 10 strikeouts per 9, and more strikeouts than baseruners allowed. but if the organization didn't give him a look this year, while granting serial promotions to the likes of jimenez, cavazos, and dove, i have the feeling that he is not in their plans. worrell's success is thought to result less from raw stuff than from a gimmick delivery; he is prone to the longball and vulnerable to left-handers. he is not, and never has been, on the 40-man roster.
- matt scherer: large, hard-throwing right-hander, but the organization already has several of those ahead of scherer (dove, perez, motte) and coming up behind him (todd, gregerson, maiques). he posted impressive numbers last season and has been pretty good in 2007, but he's expendable.
- nick webber: high draft pick (2d round in 2005, the 78th player chosen), but he hasn't shown anything so far. he's built like looper (6'7", skinny) and supposedly throws a hard sinker, but the results ain't even close to being there.
- hugo castellanos: 27 years old, has bounced back n forth between the mexican league and various mlb organizations . . . . don't know why you would trade for the guy, since a) he's not very good, and b) he's a free-agent every other year and can be had for nothing.
- donnie smith: selected in the 4th round in 2004, has battled injuries ever since; 24 years old and still in A ball.
- sean danielson: something's got to be done about the outfield glut at double A / triple A. he's had a good year, but he's 25 (just turned two days ago; happy birthday, sean), still in double A, and about 10th on the AA/AAA depth chart.
- michael ferris: 2d-rounder in 2004, got to memphis last month despite wretched stats all the way up the chain; plays first base. still only 24 years old, and 25 seems to be the magic breakout age for some of these guys (evans and mather, to name two). but with hamilton, buckman, steve hill, and other 1bmen in the pipeline, the cards can't afford to wait around on this guy.
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Wow!
Heh. Just joking. I'm still trying to believe a little bit. Not necessarily because we're good, but because it's just barely possible we could have a streak (our pitching looks less crappy) and neither the Brewers nor the Cubs want this thing.
by sdrone on Aug 9, 2007 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
less crappy
Wells since June 20th: 3-2, 2.72 ERA 36/18 K/BB (49.2 IP)
Reyes since June 27th: 1-2, 3.13 ERA 13/7 K/BB (23 IP)
by john vb on Aug 9, 2007 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the math is there
Neither appear to have injuries...and I have said before, even tho they brought much of the troubles they had on themselves, both of them also had some crappy luck, at times.
by CurtFlood on Aug 9, 2007 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ehh
Ya think?
The central is terrible. We've know that since April. The Brewers and Cubs have shown bursts where they are as good as anyone but have not had that prolonged stretch of Joe Morgan-like consistency.
But even so, the birds just don't have the pitching to get closer. I'm just enjoying the season one game at a time now.
by paCardsFan on Aug 9, 2007 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
True.
(cue slide whistle sound effect)
by the red baron on Aug 9, 2007 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.....I can...
by cardschinmusic on Aug 10, 2007 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the
If the PTBNL is Worrell, for either one of those guys, I'm going to be pissed. Why the Cardinals wouldn't see any future in the guy is beyond me; he does have an effed up delivery, but he also breaks 90mph on a regular basis, with a great slider and a pretty serviceable changeup. His stuff is way better than most any other sidearmer you're going to see, and if the braintrust doesn't think he could be a big time reliever, I'm afraid they may not be paying attention.
by the red baron on Aug 9, 2007 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's a ROOGy
by azruavatar on Aug 9, 2007 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta say, Larry...
by tbell61 on Aug 9, 2007 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and Lb,
by the red baron on Aug 9, 2007 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not sure but...
by TriplePlay on Aug 9, 2007 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
evans
by dmb60614 on Aug 9, 2007 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As an avid fan of cheesy zombie movies....
by TriplePlay on Aug 9, 2007 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have thought that if this team were a band
"Mighty Albert and the Zombies" or "The Undead (feauturing Albert Pujols)" also work
by tdawg on Aug 9, 2007 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll go with
by mikedallas23 on Aug 9, 2007 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible????
You know I don't know if we will overcome them but I hope we do. a lot of people on here counted the Cardinals out last year when we had two eight game losing streaks and a seven game losing streak
then the Cards won...
After last year it`s kinda hard for me to count them out i`m just gonna sit back and enjoy the ride.
by Calhoun on Aug 9, 2007 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Having seen the three games in Washington
by MikeG on Aug 9, 2007 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About the dead
by arthropodtodd on Aug 9, 2007 10:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
love it
c*ck teases- they get to 6 games get us excited and all warm feeling then disappear leaving us with our pants around our ankles.
horrible car accident- this is a team and a season that you dont want to watch and try your hardest to not pay attention and look forward (hockey football season) but cant stop yourself from looking.
another suggestion of their play is that the number of alcoholics is on a decline and our deadbirds decided that their play this summer could steer a few back in the right direction.
by Milfy McMilf on Aug 9, 2007 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not good...
by Calhoun on Aug 9, 2007 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry
I think thinly veiled profanity and references to deadbirds/alcoholics/car crashes is a little much.
by RedbirdRay on Aug 9, 2007 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pardon me, "Milfy",
Come on.
by the red baron on Aug 9, 2007 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: come on
by Milfy McMilf on Aug 9, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team theme song
by cardsrul on Aug 9, 2007 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
'Course, 'cause I'm ...
"But it's too late to say you're sorry...
How should I know; why should I care?
Please don't bother trying to find her...
She's Not There!!!"
This team has been "not there" most of the season; they've gotten some "jolts" from guys like Ludwick and Ryan just trying to make The Show... here's hoping Rick Ankiel does the same!
by The Ol Goaler on Aug 9, 2007 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang you LB!
by Handsome Jimmy on Aug 9, 2007 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I may call in an air strike on you
by sdrone on Aug 9, 2007 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am SOOO glad
by lordsummer on Aug 9, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who needs MTV
by liam on Aug 10, 2007 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dove
by StLHugo on Aug 9, 2007 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Russell
* University of Texas slugger Kyle Russell, arguably the most exciting prospect drafted by the Cards this summer, appears likely to leave school to sign with the club. Last season he had 26 homers and an .877 slugging percentage.
He fell to 142nd overall in the draft due to his financial demands, but the Cards apparently are bucking up to get a deal done. Given the poor offensive start by top overall pick Pete Kozma, Russell's signing would make this draft look a whole lot better.
So at least one observer sees them getting a deal done.
by OCCardsFan on Aug 9, 2007 10:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Better odds
Rolen shutting it down
Duncan playing vs. lefties
or my favorite. DFA Kennedy and moving Eck to 2nd
by Milfy McMilf on Aug 9, 2007 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
do people understand
by tdawg on Aug 9, 2007 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it
by StLHugo on Aug 9, 2007 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think those comments are made
</sarcasm>
by lboros on Aug 9, 2007 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang it
I think somehow we have to drop an outfielder. Not sure how.
by sdrone on Aug 9, 2007 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Send someone to the DL
Problem solved.
by azruavatar on Aug 9, 2007 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my english is not very well
(I'm having flashbacks to gradeschool where we had to disect sentences with some sort of chart/tree.)
by azruavatar on Aug 9, 2007 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas
If you keep dangling those modifiers out there, they might get cut off!
by Mr Clean on Aug 9, 2007 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan?
by cardzfanbub on Aug 9, 2007 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: doubt it
Pay a guy millions to sit bench and do nothing
or
pay a guy millions to hit .220 bat 9th and have an average glove.
pick your poison wise guy
by Milfy McMilf on Aug 9, 2007 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, we do. Are you assuming
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 9, 2007 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kennedy
by mikedallas23 on Aug 9, 2007 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do some to understand the money issue
I agree that Kennedy has totally sucked, and his signing is one of the reasons I won't be weepy if Walt does leave next year. The problem with DFA-ing him is that, given the sunk costs, it will be nearly impossible to get another second baseman who earns anything other than the league minimum. Ryan will make the league mininum, but, given his minor league numbers, I'm not at all convinced that he will do much better than AK has done this year -- and given Kennedy's major league numbers prior to this year, I'm wiling to take a chance that he will improve next year. If he is still sucking next year, DFA-ing him and replacing him with a league-minimum Ryan or Edgar Gonzales type might begin to make more sense to me.
The frequent suggestion to DFA Encarnacion makes absolutely no sense at all.
by tdawg on Aug 9, 2007 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the crux of it
there is a very real chance that kennedy will earn his paycheck in 2008. the other options within the system (ryan, hoffpauir, and gonzalez) are all pretty iffy; their ceiling is likely no better than kennedy's career norms, and the odds of their achieving that ceiling is prbably no better than the chance that kennedy returns to (or toward) the mean.
the one virtue they have is that they are cheaper --- but unless the cardinals can find someone to take on kennedy's salary, they don't save a penny by just cutting him loose. i think hoffpauir should get a chance to win the job next spring, and if he does then maybe the tean should think about dumping kennedy and swallowing the cost. but until it is crystal clear that they have a better option, they might as well hang onto him.
by lboros on Aug 9, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Lowell comes to mind
Kennedy is bad but it is amazing what an off-season can do for someone's offense.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's...
<sigh>
by bkwelker on Aug 9, 2007 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love it
TSF
by TedSimmonsFan on Aug 9, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Active Roster
by Handsome B Wonderful on Aug 9, 2007 11:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
by Handsome B Wonderful on Aug 9, 2007 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My post was in response...
by StLHugo on Aug 9, 2007 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pardon me if I go all Will Leitch on you
All hail the cutoff throw going into the 3rd base box seats!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
let's make some t-shirts
by age3in82 on Aug 9, 2007 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
by dontEATnachos on Aug 9, 2007 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snarf
by glennrwordman on Aug 9, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im in for a Shirt
by Red Blazer on Aug 9, 2007 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With all the talk about
by lawman3842 on Aug 9, 2007 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel...
Oh, and most of the people who are just beside themselves about this will be the same ones screaming for him to be DFA'd or traded when he has his first 0-20 slump and/or makes couple of errors(or a la Juan, perceived errors). It's the nature of the beast...
by cardsrul on Aug 9, 2007 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't know that I agree
by Handsome B Wonderful on Aug 9, 2007 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has nothing to do with how good he can be
You can't write this shit.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. It's curiosity more than
And believe me, I have NO expectations of how he'll play.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 9, 2007 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and there's always the fantasy
by SleepyCA on Aug 9, 2007 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't deny I have often daydreamed about
Then watch the hitters shreik in fear not knowing if it is going to the backstop or dropping 5 feet 12-6.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think
Power-hitting left-handed relief pitching outfielder.
by Jhusk on Aug 9, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't defend Encarnacion...
Taguchi Eqa = .268 for ~1 mil
Ludwick Eqa =.266 for league minimum.
Ankiel is new, fresh, untested, and cheap... Even if he fails miserably it's an inexpensive failure. He has nothing but upside. (this is in general, the beauty of raising your own players...)
Plus... his EORP (excitement over replacement player) is through the roof!!!
by duncansarmy on Aug 9, 2007 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Zombie Metaphor
And I didn't find the post to be in bad taste at all. Zombie movies to me are like cartoon violence, with no real connection to anything serious. I probably wouldn't even have thought of the Hancock issue if you hadn't mentioned it explicitly.
by PujolsFor President on Aug 9, 2007 12:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"To the book depository!"
by PujolsFor President on Aug 9, 2007 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must ... See ... Ankiel
I'm in Minneapolis and need to find a place to go watch the second coming. Does anyone know if there is a cardinals bar in the Twin Cities area?
by MSP to STL to MSP on Aug 9, 2007 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do you have a computer with internet access?
by sweet number 5 on Aug 9, 2007 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is, if you have bought access!
You just need to find a sports bar that has subscribed to the baseball 'extra innings' package...shouldn't be hard in a big city like Minneapolis
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 9, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't you buy a 1 day pass
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I am thinking.
by sweet number 5 on Aug 9, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can buy a monthly pass...
by Red Blazer on Aug 9, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lboros
by _pistol_ on Aug 9, 2007 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yourself.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pistol, your complaint is duly noted
by lboros on Aug 9, 2007 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really offended
by _pistol_ on Aug 9, 2007 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, i wasn't sure
by lboros on Aug 9, 2007 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give myself a feather
by the way, VERY nice piece, lb.
by CurtFlood on Aug 10, 2007 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As per the Pop copy employee video
by Harknights on Aug 9, 2007 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel is the phoenix
by Valatan on Aug 9, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Young has same # ABs vs LHB/RHB
Lineup for tonight should be:
Cardinals
Kennedy 2B
Ankiel RF
Pujols 1B
Edmonds CF
Rolen 3B
Duncan LF
Molina C
Pineiro P
Miles SS
But that is just me.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope he starts right away
by lboros on Aug 9, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree
Not to mention that I want to see this tremendous outfield defense that he supposedly has.
by Valatan on Aug 9, 2007 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
Regarding his defense, didn't somebody say he was playing CF in Memphis?
by PujolsFor President on Aug 9, 2007 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he was
by Valatan on Aug 9, 2007 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Springfield
by saladdays on Aug 9, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has nothing to lose!
by sweet number 5 on Aug 9, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if
AB 100
H 30
K 30
HR 10
Yes a lot of HR's but a just plain stupid Ball in play average. Given that this might be the worst thing that could happen because it tells us nothing. I expect this to happen. This performance will push us to within games of 1st place (mainly because of how bad the teams ahead of us are) and we as an organization learn nothing this year.
by Harknights on Aug 9, 2007 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think
by SleepyCA on Aug 9, 2007 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bernie says
Also, Tony and JED got into it 2 nights ago, a big heated confrontation apparently.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't get enough
This week on CardFight
TLR makes a new rule about hair color and JEd gets highlights. Reyes gets a new supply of hats but the guys have hidden the iron. Pujols goes to Chuck E. Cheese.
by Harknights on Aug 9, 2007 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Juan Encarnacion
by Jhusk on Aug 9, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am pretty sure
But he'd keep on batting .280!
by Alxfritz on Aug 10, 2007 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It worked for the Cubs
by cardsgirlinAR on Aug 9, 2007 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
....reality TV, or...??
People will be scouring Chuckie Cheeses all across the midwest hoping to get Alberts autograph!
by cardschinmusic on Aug 10, 2007 5:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 9, 2007 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
zombies? just soft.
by kucardinal on Aug 9, 2007 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another way to look at the
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 9, 2007 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Ankiel still has the yips
by Mr Redbird on Aug 9, 2007 1:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
here's his splits
It doesn't break it down to "bases loaded" but it does have:
"men on base" (he gets a lot better)
"RISP" (he gets a little better)
"close+late" (he's awful)
he murders starters and doesn't do so well against relievers, it seems. There's also not a whole lot of difference in his performance with his team leading, trailing, or behind.
by SleepyCA on Aug 9, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lefty Righty
.264/.316/.557 vs Right
by StLHugo on Aug 9, 2007 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks to be consistent
by Red Blazer on Aug 9, 2007 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at one point this season
Looks like it has fixed itself over the course of the season...
by SleepyCA on Aug 9, 2007 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
rick!
by erik on Aug 9, 2007 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously...
I hope he starts (or is at least used) tonight, because I'm out of town and can't see this weekend at all....
by joeyart on Aug 9, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I with you Erik.
by paCardsFan on Aug 9, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The team
by player2bnamedl8r on Aug 9, 2007 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel Call-up
by liam on Aug 9, 2007 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No backup 3B?
by mikedallas23 on Aug 9, 2007 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you hear?
by Handsome B Wonderful on Aug 9, 2007 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, per the ASG
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by rockin redbird on Aug 9, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel will start
Yay!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
full lineups out?
by Handsome B Wonderful on Aug 9, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got it from Joe Strauss' article today
Manager Tony La Russa is putting him right to work: Ankiel will start in right field tonight and bat second against Padres righthander Chris Young.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's with this "Young Musial" crap?
It's hard work, brute force and ignorance that got him back, and I applaud Ankiel on making it back to the show.
But I also say, "let's see why we kept you around, buddy."
It's a business - tonight we get a peak at the ROI on "not-quite 30 yr old Musial." Good luck dude.
by bukowski on Aug 9, 2007 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stan Musial was a top shelf pitcher
Signed as a pitcher when he was seventeen, Musial was 15-8 in two seasons with Williamson, West Virginia, but the scouting report filed on the young southpaw recommended his release because he was wild and inconsistent. Despite the report, he was sent to Daytona Beach as a pitcher for the 1940 season and, under the tutelage of former White Sox great Dickie Kerr, he compiled an 18-5 record. Kerr, who often had as few as 15 players on his roster, also played Musial in the outfield. Stan responded by batting .352. Late in the season, he made a diving catch in the outfield, crashing on his left shoulder, and the consequent injury finished him as a pitcher. Musial was convinced by Kerr to remain in baseball as an outfielder. The next year he ripped through Class C and the International League before hitting .426 in a September call-up with the Cardinals.
http://www.baseballlibrary.com/ballplayers/player.php?name=Stan_Musial_1920
And Rick would have been in St. Louis a year sooner if not for his lost season due to injury.
That is why the reference is made.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young Musial
by Bob K on Aug 9, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wer'e make the playoffs...
by theguuch99 on Aug 9, 2007 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW
WOW give Jimmy a day off start Ankiel second hole of the lineup and in centerfield I CANT WAIT FOR TONIGHT`S GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Calhoun on Aug 9, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Close...
by TriplePlay on Aug 9, 2007 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
September 8th
by tdawg on Aug 9, 2007 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I *think* it means he has to be on
by sdrone on Aug 9, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Service time...
Don't hold me to this.
by cardzfanbub on Aug 9, 2007 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spezio...
by TriplePlay on Aug 9, 2007 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
"It's been a weird year," said Spiezio, who seemed uncomfortable before the game in talking about his illness, which apparently is non-baseball related.
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 9, 2007 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
by 26thMan on Aug 9, 2007 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Demotion??
by 2x41z2tu on Aug 9, 2007 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by the way...
by Valatan on Aug 9, 2007 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
# 49
Also, the irony if the zombie reference on day that Ankiel gets called up after being left for dead by the baseball community and Speezer goes back on the DL after a season of a seemingly flesh eating disease.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cards Apparel
While I'm at it, if anyone on this site knows where to get a white t-shirt, similar to the home jersey, i'd about pay anything for one of those at this point.
by UNCDubya on Aug 9, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my number biotch
And just for the record, 16 and 5 were my two favorite numbers long before I knew who Albert Pujols or Chris Duncan were.
by Mr Redbird on Aug 9, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other news
Looks like it may end up being the Brewers, Cards and Astros making a run for the unwinnable title.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Where did you
by El Schweenador on Aug 9, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's wrong with Aramis?
by TriplePlay on Aug 9, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrist.
"You heard it here first
I know someone who's got "ins" on the Cubs and the rumor is that Ramirez is out for the year. Ligament issues with his wrist. I hope to god it isn't true, but I guess we'll see. I wouldn't post this if I didn't trust the person I heard it from.
by SouthsideCub on Thursday, August 9, 2007 at 2:23 PM CT "
by stltrav09 on Aug 9, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's never a good day....
by TriplePlay on Aug 9, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
by jeff abs on Aug 9, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you need to grow up a bit then
by TriplePlay on Aug 9, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
give me a break
by jeff abs on Aug 9, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough...
by TriplePlay on Aug 9, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must disagree
by sdrone on Aug 9, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm absolutlely amazed
if it's the latter, then i'd say the optimism is unfounded. the guys hitting .267 with an obp of .314. that sounds like the second coming of russel branyan to me.
by _pistol_ on Aug 9, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who pee'd in your cheerios?
God forbid people be upbeat, I guess we should all just be mopy whiners?
by TriplePlay on Aug 9, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
you made me laugh with that one.
please don't get me wrong. I'd be tickled pink if ankiel ends up being a productive member of the team... and maybe his rags-to-riches story can bring some spark to the team. I was just looking at the numbers and trying to be realistic.
And for the record, i dislike mopy whiners.
by _pistol_ on Aug 9, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On this team, Branyan would be an improvement
I'd rather watch Ankiel boot balls in RF and get thrown out at homeplate than Juan.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Simply, its an unknown
All our existing RF options are knowns, which also happen to suck.
This may be an improvement, or it may not. We are excited for the possibility.
by DriverZn on Aug 9, 2007 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact of the matter
Is Ankiel going to be the savior of this season? Probably not. But in a season where almost nothing has gone according to our expectations, him getting called up as an OF after his "can't miss prospect" status as a SP went away is the proverbial "feel-good hit of the summer".
TSF
by TedSimmonsFan on Aug 9, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
interesting that:
Cleveland Indians
Traded INF Russell Branyan to the Philadelphia Phillies for cash considerations
by sdesserman on Aug 9, 2007 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember pistol,
by Alxfritz on Aug 10, 2007 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been a great afternoon
Lo and behold, Kip "I'm Starting to Pitch Kinda" Wells outdueled Greg Maddux, and now Rick Ankiel has gotten the call. And while it sucks when ball players get hurt, regardless of what team they play for, it's nice to see the Cubs collapsing. I'm as giddy as a schoolgirl.
by stl tyler on Aug 9, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Speezer put on the restricted list
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
restricted list ?
by _pistol_ on Aug 9, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The he isn't injured, but can't play baseball
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Players also don't get paid
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to my research
by _pistol_ on Aug 9, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is in the Press Pass notes
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team has closed the clubhouse
They are apparently having a 'closed door' meeting.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could be discussing Spiezio...
by DiscoJer on Aug 9, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh
by mikedallas23 on Aug 9, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speezer, closed doors, etc
by roebirds on Aug 9, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus
by chuckb on Aug 9, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Substance Abuse problem
by gonzostl on Aug 9, 2007 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that's the case
by jeff abs on Aug 9, 2007 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I was afraid of
by chuckb on Aug 9, 2007 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
calm down guys
by john vb on Aug 9, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's lineup
Eckstein SS
Ankiel RF
Pujols 1B
Edmonds CF
Rolen 3B
Duncan LF
Molina C
Pineiro P
Kennedy 2B
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if all those guys were clicking
by jeff abs on Aug 9, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Expectations
by Allez31 on Aug 9, 2007 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lost in all this...
by Handsome B Wonderful on Aug 9, 2007 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Day
The Spiezio situation is really strange, but I get the feeling it'll be one of those times when they don't tell the media anything. I thought it was fishy this morning when I read that he was uncomfortable talking about it.
Viva el Zombies!
by hannah_in_va on Aug 9, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will put my guess out there...
by JMedwick on Aug 9, 2007 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
by chuckb on Aug 9, 2007 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spezio
by mikedallas23 on Aug 9, 2007 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, it's been a while since we've had to do this..
by Valatan on Aug 9, 2007 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was hit hardest by the Hancock situation
Heck, perhaps he has hepititis because of using a dirty needle while shooting up. Who knows.
Very strange.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it really matters
by chuckb on Aug 9, 2007 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it is steroids
If it is alcohol, then there is a serious issue that the Cardinals need to address.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2007 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think
Wishing Speez the best, hope he gets the help he needs.
by stl tyler on Aug 9, 2007 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This made me chuckle
Echoing other comments -- hope that Spiezio gets himself straightened out, hope that Cardinals management addresses whatever problems exist in that clubhouse, if Hancock, Spiezio, whoever are the rule and not the exception.
TSF
by TedSimmonsFan on Aug 9, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had to laugh as well
But like most here, I hope he deals with whatever issues he has and can enjoy the rest of his life. He seems like he's a decent sort of guy and no one wants someone to have to struggle with those kinds of problems.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 9, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well there is the answer then.
by JMedwick on Aug 9, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy Carriker on 1380
by bsutherland on Aug 9, 2007 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wish
by cards13 on Aug 9, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Luck
On a lighter note, this sure takes some of the pressure off of the Ricker.
by hannah_in_va on Aug 9, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BTW...
by cardsrul on Aug 9, 2007 6:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Buck? Is that you?
Lighten up, bro. Dark humor makes life, with all its associated yucky stuff, tolerable.
by 26thMan on Aug 9, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...
So, by your own admission, you posted your STD wisecrack with the intention of offending some of VEB's readers? Why be intentionally boorish? So you would get the "hoped for" responses and then be well-positioned to tell them to "lighten up"?
That strikes me as somewhat...ill-advised.
by Mr Clean on Aug 9, 2007 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dancin' at the Zombie Zoo
In the words of Tom Petty:
Dancin' at the zombie zoo,
dancin' at the zombie zoo
Painted in a corner
and all you wanna do
Is dance down at the zombie zoo
Let's dance.
by madridbend on Aug 9, 2007 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How's this

by Jhusk on Aug 10, 2007 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Ideally, here's the lineup I'd like to see:
- Brendan Ryan (SS)
- Jimmy "Career .380 OBP" Ballgame (CF)
- Albert (1B)
- Chris Duncan (LF)
- Rick "The Natural" Ankiel (RF)
- Scott Rolen (3B)
- Yadier Molasses (C)
- Adam Kennedy (2B)
- One of our excellent-hitting pitchers (P)
I'd also keep our pitchers at #9 most of the time, because as long as Kennedy is our 2B, the higher OBP guy will likely be either Wainwright, Wells, Looper, etc.
by Mr Clean on Aug 10, 2007 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs



















