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Update [2007-8-27 15:30:49 by lboros]: breaking news out of houston: garner and purpura are out, according to KBME radio in houston (790 am).

if we break the season so far into two halves, the dividing line falls on june 15 --- just about the time the cardinal pitching reached its low point. the cardinals lost 14-3 that day, after having lost 17-8 the previous night; scott spiezio had to come in and pitch the bottom of the 8th, and he was the only st louis moundsman who wasn't scored upon. braden looper left with an elbow injury that day and went onto the dl, and kip wells had been dumped from the rotation the day before --- two starters lost in two days. that left wainwright and reyes as the only surviving members of the opening-day rotation (and reyes, of course, had already been kicked out of it once and was only recalled out of necessity). the team era stood at 5.15, nearly its worst point of the whole season (it would reach 5.16 a couple of days later); the rotation consisted of wainwright, reyes, thompson, and wellemeyer.

a lot more has gone wrong since then --- wellemeyer and tyler johnson got hurt; thompson and maroth pitched themselves off the team --- but these woebegotten rag-arms have stiffened up anyway:

W-L ERA AVG OBP SLG BB/9
through jun 15 28-36 5.15 .272 .340 .432  3.4
since jun 15 35-28 4.04 .266 .325 .415  2.8

in trying to understand the improvement, the decreased walk rate is the place i would start; that alone has shaved more than half a baserunner a game off the ledger, which translates into about 0.35 of the era improvement. st louis pitchers were slightly worse than league average (3.3 bb/9) through june 15; as of today, they have yielded the 2d-fewest walks in the nl. the other major change since june 15 is that they've yielded fewer extra-base hits --- not fewer homers (63 hr through june 15, versus 64 since) but fewer extra-base hits on balls in play (12 fewer doubles, 8 fewer triples). this could be the result of a) better luck, b) better outfield defense, c) a better groundball ratio, or most likely d) some combination of a, b, and c.

i thought the apparent improvement might just be an illusion produced by the last 3 weeks of strong pitching --- ie, a sample-size distortion --- but it isn't. from june 16 through july 18 --- 5 weeks, 27 games --- the cardinal staff maintained a 3.63 era. then it got bombed for two weeks (6.08 era) before reclaiming its mojo; since august 5 the staff era is 2.82. this run has really lasted 10 weeks, not 3; it began roughly when wainwright got hot and kip wells and anthony reyes became the 4.00-ish pitchers we thought they'd be, instead of the 6.00-ish pitchers they had been up to that point. it also helped significantly that the cardinals added troy percival, which eliminated the opportunity for sub-replacement performers like jimenez and cavazos to inflate the team's stats. out of curiosity, i compared the cards' 4.04 era since june 15 to that of the top 5 teams in nl era:

cardinals 4.04
padres 4.04
dodgers 4.46
cubs 4.18
mets 4.37
giants 4.30
the cards have outpitched most of the league's best staffs over a 63-game stretch. they've been about the best in the league since june 15, after being the worst in the league up until that date.

raise your hand if you saw it coming.

the next, obvious question is whether they can keep it going --- and my answer to that is, do i look stupid? i'm not gonna try to predict what this team might do next. rolen had it right a couple weeks ago --- it don't make no sense. it's almost labor day, and the games are still worth watching --- that in and of itself is a triumph, given everything this team has faced in 2007. whether or not they close the deal in the last 34 games, you have to applaud them --- and the joke that is the nl central --- for hanging in there. a couple other items:

  • wainwright over this period (ie, since june 15) has the 5th-best era in the national league, behind peavy, webb, zambrano, and (??) tim redding.
  • mulder threw 4 innings last night --- 2 hits, 1 run. in 9.1 rehab innings, he has yielded 7 hits, 2 earned runs, 3 walks, and no homers --- all in class A, in a pitcher's league no less, so don't draw too many conclusions from those stats.

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One thing I said
at the trading deadline -- for as much as I wanted the team to trade some pieces for what they could get, be it ten cents on the dollar or whatever; and it was foolish for La Russa/Jocketty/etc to think that they still had a horse in this race -- I couldn't get upset for them not giving up, not quitting.

How wrong/right I was. That sticktoititvness payed off. Look what we got here?

Hello, playoff race

by Alxfritz on Aug 27, 2007 9:13 AM EDT reply actions  

please please please
get another lefty in the bullpen

by Milfy McMilf on Aug 27, 2007 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Johnson
What happened to Tyler?  After the DL stint he has been horrible but before that he was great.  I think  if Johnson pitches like he did before the DL then the left side is fine.

by StLHugo on Aug 27, 2007 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually...
he was quite terrible before going on the DL. He started off decent, but then went to crap
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 27, 2007 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

really?
According to baseball-reference he has 14ER this year, only 4 of them came before his big blow up for 4ER on June 8th.  I think that was probably when he first started having issues (4ER June 8th, 3ER June 13th and no games in between then 3 games with 1ER total before hitting the DL) so if you take out the ERs from June 8th to when he hit the DL he only has 6 ER on the season those other 8ER over 1IP (if you include the 2 scoreless outings then it is 3.1 IP) totally killed his ERA.  Other then that he was very good.  Since the DL he has been better then I thought, a few hits given up (and probably to lefties) but only 2 ERs.

Game log: http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=johnsty01&t=p&year=2007

by StLHugo on Aug 27, 2007 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

ERs
isn't a very good statistical measure for relievers, in my opinion. How many inherited runners did he allow to score?
Hello, playoff race

by Alxfritz on Aug 27, 2007 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

not sure
From what I can tell the BR gamelog uses IR to show inherited runners and IS to show how many scored if that is true then he had 23 IR and 8 IS up to June 6th, from June 8th to DL it was 2 and 2.

Since the DL he has 0 and 0 but still has a 4.50 ERA and a .500 SLGA

by StLHugo on Aug 27, 2007 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

All I remember...
was him sucking, so he tried to change his #, then he turned his hair platinum, and he still continued to suck. I think he has great stuff, but his control needs work. We saw in the playoffs last year, how filthy he can be when his stuff is on.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 27, 2007 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

That isn't what happened
he had arm tendinitis and hid it from the team.  That's why he sucked.  The number change and hair dye thing, who knows what that was about. I think he had been wanting to change his number for awhile.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 27, 2007 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

yes
at the time of his injury, he was on a pace (~90) to approach the record (104) for number of appearances in a season with an ERA of 1.96, K9 of 6+, HR/9 of 0.42, and WHIP of 0.93.  I'd say he was doing fine, right up until TLR burned his arm out.  
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 27, 2007 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

His goal--since mid-minors--
is to break Steve Kline's record for appearances by a Cardinal.  He's hell-bent.  Throw as often as he does, and throw a bajillion sliders and...whaddya know: arm problems.

       

youneverknow

by meat on Aug 27, 2007 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do other teams ...
Can someone tell me whether other teams (historical or otherwise) exhibit this kind of dramatic swing in their pitching, particularly the walk-numbers?

In following the cards for the last few years, its seems to me that this exact phenomenon has occurred semi-frequently.  In 2004, our pitching was pretty bad for the first part of the season (until the Steve Kline game, right?), and then the pitching gelled, and the team became a juggernaught.  Last year the pitching fell apart for a good chunk of the season, but it started to reassemble itself at the end of the season and was spectacular through the postseason.  Now, this.

Perhaps someone can correct my history here, but as I recall it each of those times one key area of improvement was the walk rate.

To me, this kind of dramatic overall improvement in the pitching that seems to effect everyone, or nearly everyone, on the staff, looks like a social phenomenon - how else can you explain the abrupt, seemly random changes in not just one, but nearly a dozen players?  If pressed, I would choose the word "trust" to describe it.  The (starting) pitching trusts the offense, defense, and bullpen to do their jobs, so they don't feel the need to be perfect.  That leads to more strikes, less walks, and better results.

All this is very unscientific, because its totally unfalsifiable.  Nevertheless, I think its a better theory than the alternative, which is essentially that the Cards have repeatedly had a group of mediocre pitchers all put up some of their best career numbers at the same time, by luck.

Of course trust is pretty easy to destroy.  In 2004-05 the trust (if trust is what it was) was solid, and it was deserved, because the teams were reliably competant in every area.  It remains to be seen if this team has the makeup to maintain this run, or if bad defense, inconsistent offense, and the pitchers' own insecurities will send us back where we were in the first half.

by Leo on Aug 27, 2007 10:03 AM EDT reply actions  

On 2004
<<In following the cards for the last few years, its seems to me that this exact phenomenon has occurred semi-frequently.  In 2004, our pitching was pretty bad for the first part of the season (until the Steve Kline game, right?), and then the pitching gelled, and the team became a juggernaught.>>

No, it wasn't bad for the first half, actually. Save the first ten games, it was solid for the entire year.

In 2004, the pitching was bad for the first 10 games, allowing 6.9 r/g. For the remaining games in April their r/g was 4.2.

For May the r/g was 3.8; June 3.9 (the Kline game was near the end of June). So the pitchers were effective in the first half after the first 10 games.

What happened in 2004 was the Cards' pitchers started poorly, allowing a lot a runs and having a 4-6 record. The Cards then went 8-5 for the rest of April.

In May, the pitching held up, but the bats disappeared, and the runs scored per game dropped by about .9 runs per game to 4.4/game. So the Cards record for May was 15-12.

In June the bats rebounded to 5.6 runs/game and the Cards went 19-9. In July, the rs/g was 6.0 and the ra/g was 3.6, and the Cards went 20-5, and effectively ended the race.

For the first ten games, the Cards allowed the 6.9 r/g and went 4-6. For the remaining 154 games the pitchers allowed 3.9 r/g (the batters scored 5.2 r/g) and the Cards went 101-51.

Now that was a fun summer (until late October, at least)......

Dave

by Sydney dave on Aug 27, 2007 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

What team is all about
You've hit the nail on the head. The strength of this team, year after year, is the trust and sense of team that develops. Good players become better when they accept that they're part of a team that is going to win, no matter what it takes. That team spirit doesn't come easily, and it's always fragile. Having players like Albert, Edmonds, Izzy, Eckstein and Rolen is part of it. They have very different personalities but each leads in his own way. And then there's the management/coaching staff. Eventually, they quit fighting each other and start pulling together. It's as simple as that.

Start picking at any part of that framework, IMO, and you're back to square one.

by Fred McTaggart on Aug 27, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bullpen strength
is at least part of what has allowed the rotation to strengthen.  Tony has the luxury, b/c of the pen, to get starters out at the first sign of trouble, thus not extending them beyond their limit.

One thing I've noticed, having charted Looper all season, is that Tony gets Looper out of there in the 6th or 7th as soon as he starts to get in trouble.  Looper's been pretty good the first 2 times through the order (for the most part) but has really run into trouble the 3rd time through.  Tony's recognized that as well and has significantly shortened Looper's leash of late.

If the pen wasn't as strong as it is, Tony would have to extend Looper and Reyes and Wells and the numbers, not to mention the winning %, wouldn't look so good.

by chuckb on Aug 27, 2007 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Wellemeyer status?
I was wondering about him on Saturday - what happened to him?

by sdrone on Aug 27, 2007 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Activated
He pitched on Friday.  He was activated instead of going on Rehab and Thompson was sent to AAA.

by StLHugo on Aug 27, 2007 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks, man
Like everyone else who keeps pitchers like this alive, I appreciate his fastball and I'd like to see if we can do something with him.

by sdrone on Aug 27, 2007 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually
he pitched one game on rehab and then was called back sooner than expected when it was decided Thompson wasn't helping.

by MikeG on Aug 27, 2007 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
He pitched down here in Springfield for one game.

by saladdays on Aug 27, 2007 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wainwright
Now has a 3.86 ERA good for 19th in the NL ahead of Maddux, Snell, Zambrano, Glavine, Morris, Arroyo, Lohse and many other "good" pitchers.

Funny the Cards have 3 pitchers in the top 50 ERA (Waino, Looper and Wells {5.41}) but considering only 48 pitchers qualify based on IP and Wells is 47th this doesn't say very much.

Back to Wainwright:  He is tied for 13th with 12 wins, tied with Suppan for 20th in IP with 163.1, 26th in SOs with 113, tied at 30th with Kip Wells and Maddux in BAA at .276, 15th in fewest pitches per inning with 15.75.

I can't find a ranking for it but he has only allowed 11 HRs all season, that ties him with Maddux and Smoltz and puts him ahead of many of the top pitchers (if you include AL names Verlander, Halladay, Oswalt, El Duque, Dice K, and others.

by StLHugo on Aug 27, 2007 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

MLB HR Allowed Leaders
Adam is tied for 14th in HRs allowed (100 pitchers qualified for a minimum of 120 IP).  Here are the others ahead of him:

HR   IP   Pitcher

 5   135  C Young
 5   173  B Penny
 5   183  T Hudson
 6   170  J Peavy
 7   159  C-M Wang
 8   172  K Escobar
 9   134  B Bannister
 9   153  N Lowry
 9   140  S Mitre
 9   191  B Webb
10  164  M Cain
10  160  J Beckett
10  173  A Pettitte
11  161  J Smoltz
11  161  G Maddux
11  170  A Wainwright

by poolplayer on Aug 27, 2007 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes is not scheduled to pitch
in the next rotation.  Anyone know what that is all about?

by secretweapon on Aug 27, 2007 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Tony wants to use him against the Reds
rather than against the Astros.  Perhaps it's to give him rest and to reduce the number of innings on his arm, perhaps it's because he wants to see what Reyes can do against the better lineup, while avoiding having him pitch in that park's stupid dimensions.

by Valatan on Aug 27, 2007 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes....
has been terrible at MMP and is a much better pitcher at home this year.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 27, 2007 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes
I agree with comment about MMP -- Reyes' flyball tendencies don't play well there.

by holden on Aug 27, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tony decided that the best way to start a
winning streak is to not throw a 2-13 pitcher in the middle of it.

I jest.

Anthony is better at home.  It's a good idea to use him wisely.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 27, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Team concept
I can laugh at your jest, but the challenge for the team and for Reyes right now is NOT to think of Anthony as a 2-13 pitcher but a pitcher who is going to mow down the opponents. Adding a bit more space in the outfield helps further that concept. The same was done for Suppan in past years.

by Fred McTaggart on Aug 27, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

And maybe while they're at it, they
can think about outfield defense too when they set the line up.  When he's on he'll produce a large number of easily playable fly balls.  It would help if someone would (please) catch them so they don't turn into doubles.  

by jillsinmo on Aug 27, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Team concept again
The team concept is to trust your outfielders, not blame them. I'm sure Reyes knows that, and if he does his trust will be well placed.

by Fred McTaggart on Aug 28, 2007 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

As far as I know, and I've read everything I can
find about Reyes, he has never said a word about the outfielders, infielders or anyone else......I'M the one mentioning the outfielders.  The guy has enough problems without getting tagged with that.  I'm just making a statement that the outfield play has been less than stellar at times.

by jillsinmo on Aug 28, 2007 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I correct....
today is the Birds last day off this season?
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 27, 2007 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

well...
until the day before the division series, yes.

by Tudor 85 on Aug 27, 2007 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

unless that day
is a one-game playoff

by jeff abs on Aug 27, 2007 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point
Here's to seeing the brewers rather then the cubs.
Save the Kipper don't make him go back out there.

by gibbyfan on Aug 27, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a good feeling
this really bad feeling that we're rushing Mulder because of the minor league calendar. If he has a poor rehab start next week, I can only hope that they don't bring him up until next season.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 27, 2007 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

that should
not say "I have a good feeling." Damn you, autocomplete, I meant to just say "I have"
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 27, 2007 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you
I think Mulder would need at least two games (with us) to begin to be effective... thus two probable losses and stressing the bullpen.
And on a 'spiritual' note, I feel like Mulder would be a Hessian, at this point.  Maybe that is silly, but I DO wonder if the recently found team chemistry would be affected.
I could easily be wrong about this... because if it were Carpenter coming back, I know the effect WOULD be positive.  I'm just now sure about Mulder.

Of course if he were to throw a couple of six-inning blanks, that would be different altogether.

by CurtFlood on Aug 27, 2007 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm actually wondering how many
pitchers who have had rotator cuffs repaired actually go on to have careers anywhere close to before the injury? I mean starters returning to starting for a whole 30+ starts season.  Any names you can throw out?  Realistically, don't a large percentage of them never even make it back at all?  I'm really having a hard time even coming up with one name right now.

by jillsinmo on Aug 27, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Let's use the off day productively
Cortisone shots for all!

by redbird2006in on Aug 27, 2007 12:52 PM EDT reply actions  

The tone of an off-day
much like for a team that is going on a flight home or on a roadtrip is tainted by the previous day.

When the Cardinals lose, it's a pain in the ass to sit on that loss as a fan for 48 hours and attempt to look at that 1 loss with perspective.  By the time you reach hour 36, it becomes almost like 5 losses in a row.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 27, 2007 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed. i hate ruminating on a loss
on an off day, and the heartburn grows exponentially with each passing hour. but i'm none too happy about the off day following a win, either. i can almost feel the mojo slipping away...

thankfully (?) no more off days the rest of the way. ;)

by acham8206 on Aug 27, 2007 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wonder Brad
Just wanted to say I told you so to all of Brad Thompson's off-season proponents as Suppan's replacement.  I didn't want to see the guy fail, but it's about time that those who predicted this outcome get some credit.  It just wasn't going to happen.

As for Looper, who I was also way down on as a starter, can anyone say I told you so?  Who could have predicted his success?  Hats off to Loop for hanging in there.

by age3in82 on Aug 27, 2007 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Congrats
Unfortunately for you, Thompson wason par or better as a starter as Kippersly and Reyes have been:


           GS GF  W  L  CG   IP    ERA   H   R   ER HR  BB IBB  SO HBP

Kip Wells  23  0  5 14   0 125.1   5.82 140  94  81 14  63   6  92   7
A Reyes    18  0  2 13   1  99.2   5.33  95  64  59 11  35   0  69   6
Thompson   13  0  4  3   0  75.1   5.02  93  44  42 11  24   1  26   6


             BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  BAbip
Kip Wells  .281  .366  .442  .808  .317  
A Reyes    .251  .319  .417  .735  .275
Thompson   .308  .369  .507  .876  .308  

Thompson did it while being bounced back and forth from the rotation and the bullpen.  Tough to get in any kind of pattern when you don't know when you're going to get to pitch again.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 27, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wason
say it really fast and really short.  It's like I just karate chopped you in the neck!
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 27, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd hold off for a second on the congratulations
Brad Thompson has a 5.02 ER in 13 starts; Looper's is 4.90--although Looper's WHIP is significantly better, as well as the number of quality starts.

As to replacing Suppan, the 2007 Suppan has a 4.85 ERA, a WHIP of 1.54, and 10 quality starts. Thompson has the aforementioned 5.02 ERA, a WHIP of 1.55, and 6 quality starts. The Cards are 10-3 in the games that Thompson has started, which means for the most part he's kept the Cards in game. The Brewers are 13-14 in games that Suppan has started. Which has done better as a starter? At worse, it's a push.

Two other things; one's making $6 MM this year and is due $42 MM over 4 years; the other is probably on $400k. Thompson is also 25 years old, while Suppan is 32.

Dave

by Sydney dave on Aug 27, 2007 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am rooting for our boys
to paint themselves into the history books ... as the worst team to ever win back-to-back World Championships.

Last September my brother and I were joking about putting some $$$ on the Cards to wind the WS.  But we never got around to it and lost out on a healthy payday.  This year we won't miss that bus.

Go Birds!

"We're sniffing the winning situation."

by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 27, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I go to Church with a guy from N.Y.
All this guy could talk about was "Your Cards will NEVER get past my Mets.  No way, no how.  The Mets are just too powerful of a lineup."  

His bowl of alphabet soup spelled StL WoRlD ChAmPs!

He shouldve known...

Dont give up boys!

by yer dog first on Aug 27, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was fun....
to watch the Baseball tonight guys...even Steve Phillips!...talk over the Cards Hi-lights last night. They pointed out and showed the film of Ludwick and Ryan busting their humps on the basepaths yesterday and Phillips commented that the Cards just had that look of a winning club right now.. ..Aren't these the same guys who had buried this club a few weeks ago?.. Ahhh...revenge is a dish best served cold huh?...
GO CARDS!!

by Timbo02 on Aug 27, 2007 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Cards fans everywhere
are crying right now, because Phillips is giving our team props.  

CRAP!

Dont give up boys!

by yer dog first on Aug 27, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Astros Fire Purpura, Garner
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5086447.html

Tal Smith will replace Purpura while Cecil Cooper will take over from Phil Garner. The announcement was made at a press conference today at Minute Maid Park.

by StLHugo on Aug 27, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Later Garner
Sweet.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7160596?MSNHPHMA

The Astros, initiating a major overhaul, have fired general manager Tim Purpura and manager Phil Garner, according to a major-league source.

The move comes just two years after the pair took the team to the first World Series in franchise history.
The Astros have called a news conference at 3 p.m. ET to announce the change.

Owner Drayton McLane expected the team to contend after signing left fielder Carlos Lee to a $100 million free-agent contract and adding starting pitchers Woody Williams and Jason Jennings.

Instead, the Astros are 58-73, tied with the Nationals for the third-worst record in the National League, ahead of only the Pirates and Marlins.

Bench coach Cecil Cooper will be the team's interim manager.

"Well, no one's perfect. Only one guy was ever perfect, Jack, and they nailed him to a tree!"

by lightbulb on Aug 27, 2007 3:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully
this will leave the team an even worse disorganized and confused mess starting tomorrow. I hope they do not go into "Let's Win For Phil" mode.

by rockin redbird on Aug 27, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

let's hope they don't end up like the Reds...
who have turned their team around after firing Narron.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 27, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've never liked Garner
In my opinion this can only help the Astros. I hope they start from the Cubs series...

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Aug 27, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is so Drayton McLane
according to the Crawfish Boxes, there were a lot of boos yesterday for Garner (at Bagwell's jersey retirement) and that may have prompted him to act as he did.  It is just like Drayton McLane, who hasn't a clue how to operate a major league baseball franchise, to fire them based on the fact that they were booed yesterday.

Let me say that both of them should've been fired.  Garner couldn't manage a little league team from Georgia and Purpura proved his level of ineptitude over the year and a half that he's been in charge.  But it's just like McLane to overreact to the fans in this manner.

If Dewitt acted like this, Izzy would've been released in the offseason.

by chuckb on Aug 27, 2007 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Az Fall League
Picklefork found the list of AFL players the Cards are sending
http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=479204

Here is the list Colby Rasmus, Mitch Boggs, Jason Motte, Chris Perez, Stuart Pomeranz, Jarret Hoffpauir, Joe Mather

Pomeranz is in A ball Boggs, Motte and Rasmus are in AA and the rest are AAA.

Looks like we are sending a nice crop.

by StLHugo on Aug 27, 2007 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

When is Carp's projected return
I'm catching up on some Post Dispatch reading, and read Bernie's column on Wainwright.  

He talks about a 2008 rotation of Carp, Wainer, and Mulder.

We can't expect Carp back until at least late July or August, can we?

by sdrone on Aug 27, 2007 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

probably ASB for the optimists
but yeah, he's not going to be part of the rotation for at least the first half of the season, and probably more.
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Aug 27, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you mean ASG?
(as in, all star game?)
it would be pretty awesome if he could be back by then... ah well.

by mattybobo on Aug 27, 2007 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Purpura

Garner, I believe is pretty decent.  Purpura?  Assuming McLane allowed him to do his job, he did it awful.
  • banking on the backside of Woody's career
  • trading 3 for Jason Jennings
  • spending a ton on Carlos Lee
  • hanging on to Lidge for some reason
  • allowing himself to be held hostage at various times by Clemons, Pettite and Beltran
I swear, half the people on this blog could manage a payroll and roster better than Purpura.  

Thankfully, I'm a Card fan

by Hinkster on Aug 27, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Seems to me Woody was a
"good lord I gotta get some innings SOMEWHERE" acquisition.

the Jennings trade, I don't get.  I thought one of the prospects that was traded was gonna start for the Astros this year.

by sdrone on Aug 27, 2007 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

jennings
I just spent last week with a bunch of Astros fans and they "claim" that hated that trade all along.

by gonzostl on Aug 27, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention the great job
he did with the 2007 draft.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 27, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Long Time Coming for Purpura
I'll toot my own prognosticative horn, when I said that Hirsh would have a better 2007 than Jennings back in December when the trade went down... and that Willy Taveras would be the second best offensive CF in the NL West.

Hirsh is getting better results than Jennings, though admittedly with fairly close peripherals.

Toot, toot, anyways!

by liam on Aug 27, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I seem to recall
your prognosticative efforts....I too recall thinking that never has a team/mgr/GM fortunes been so highly dependent on the success of one guy - Jennings.  Yes, he had potential and may still have but they gambled big on him.  When he went to DL early, my Astro hating inner self smiled - expecting it to be the beginning of the end for those who love flag poles in the outfield.

by Hinkster on Aug 27, 2007 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hold that tooting...
Hirsh has been mediocre and Jennings has been injured.

As for Taveras, he's worse than Cameron and Chris Young by a lot, and he's been slightly better than Pierre and Roberts. Big deal...

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 27, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Worse by a lot?
That's not true at all. Taveras isn't a massive power guy like Young, but he's out OBP'ing him by 72 points, and that's "a lot." Cameron's a better overall offensive outfielder, true to the prognostication.

Houston looked at Taveras as a defensive specialist, fourth-outfielder type, and he's proven to be a valuable leadoff hitter. That's the kind of offensive production you can be happy with from a center fielder. He was pretty much a throw-in from Houston's perspective and has capably filled two needs for the Rox.

Hirsh has been a disappointment this season, but I'm betting as he matures as a ML pitcher, he'll give the Rockies good value for the four or five years that the Astros won't be getting. Hirsh will get better and Jennings will pitch elsewhere.

That was a foolish trade and Purpura should have known it if a knucklehead like me did.

So, I'll keep on a-tootin'.

by liam on Aug 27, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
no question that there were some horrible decisions at the GM level there.  But firing Garner, I really don't get.  He really seemed like one of the better in-game managers.

by Valatan on Aug 27, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

All he had to do was make sure that Berkman
came to bat in the 8th inning in any Chris Carpenter start and he could jedi mind trick Tony into leaving Carp out to try.  

Honestly, it felt like that happened 3 times in a row.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 27, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

try=dry
stoopid monkee!
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 27, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think
Garner could manage his way out of a brown paper bag.  He should've been fired after game 3 of the World Series when they were down 3-0 and he ripped on his players in the media, basically calling them quitters.  That's the last thing his team needed at the time.

In terms of his in-game decision making -- he's been playing Jason Lane in center field, almost every day, for about a month and a half.  He finally abandoned that strategy thanks largely to Lane's .172 or something batting avg. and his unwillingness/inability to take a walk.  He's insisted on keeping Ausmus behind the plate and Biggio at 2b (though McLane had a lot to do w/ that one).  He's insisted on playing Everett at SS despite the fact that he's had to play Ausmus and Biggio every day, thus filling the lineup w/ Biggio, Lane, Ausmus, Everett and a pitcher -- at least he's had Woody Williams hitting every 5 days.

by chuckb on Aug 27, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually...
am one to speak up for Purpura:
  • the Woody move was dumb, but he's actually been better than Looper or Wells. Granted he cost a bit more
  • the Jennings deal was done with the assumption that A) he could improve to an elite level once he left the Rox and B) acquiring him via trade would help the Stros sign him long term b/c he has ties to the area. His injury has pretty much torpedoed the entire thing, but it those assumptions weren't unreasonable. The three players the Rox got are overrated. Buchholz is a triple A guy, Taveras is backup material, and Hirsh hasn't blossomed as hoped.
  • Lee's deal was a win now-pay later signing. I wouldn't have done it, but Lee's held up his end so far.
  • Hanging on to Lidge was exactly the right call. No reason to sell low, and the guy has rebounded somewhat.
  • What should he have done re: Clemens and Pettitte? You see how important they were.
The real problem with the Stros is that they counted on Berkman and Ensberg to prop up an offense that routinely had four easy outs in Ausmus, Everett, Biggio and the pitcher. Once those guys stopped hitting, they were screwed.

If I had been Purpura, I probably would've reconciled myself to rebuilding after Clemens and Pettitte left (ie passed on Woody, Lee, and Jennings), but given the state of the NL Central, it was reasonable to go for it.

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 27, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

you defend Purpura but admit you would have gone in a totally direction?

I'll admit he didn't have easy choices.........and it couldn't have been fun working for a billionaire with an ego

by Hinkster on Aug 27, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...
I would've gone in the opposite direction but it would have been a fairly close call. The owner probably weighed in on this as well.

The thing is, the Astros believed going into 2007 that the NL Central was weak, and in Berkman and Oswalt they had Pujols-Carp type combo that would likely be past their prime in three or four years. I can see trying to milk another run or two when you've got those two guys.

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 27, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa!
they screwed the pooch big time on Andy Pettitte.  He wanted to come back to Houston and was, basically, ushered to the door inexplicably.  McLane had a lot to do w/ that one but Purpura should've insisted on giving Pettitte the 2 year deal he wanted.  If Pettitte comes back, Clemens might have as well.

The Lee deal -- awful, as everyone knew from the beginning.  It's not bad for this year and might not be next year either, but he's the worst OF in the national league (according to UZR) and will be a DH in the NL (and an $18 M one at that) in a couple of years.  And he's locked up for 6 more after this one.

the Jennings deal -- beyond horrible.  At least Lee's a pretty good hitter.  Even had Jennings pitched the way they thought he would, he would've only been marginally better than Hirsh.  But he was only under contract for 1 year whereas they would have had Hirsh for 5 more.  And Hirsh earns the minimum -- more than $5 M less than Jennings earns this year.  Plus they gave up their starting CF and another young pitcher.  

As for Taveras -- a 4th OF?  Yes, probably.  However, he'd have been the starting CF in Houston, and a good defensive CF considering that they have a fly ball staff and Lee in LF and Scott in RF.  Since they traded Taveras, they've used the likes of Chris Burke and Jason Lane in CF, before Pence and while he was on the DL.  Since Pence wasn't in the plans for this year, it seems silly to trade the only guy who can play CF.

Since we mentioned Pence, it should've been obvious during spring that Pence was ready or, at the very least, was better than Burke, Lane, and Scott -- all of whom were on the Astros roster to begin the season.  Pence should've been the starting CF.

Hirsh -- hasn't blossomed as hoped?  He's been a far cry better than Jennings and the Rocks have him for 4 more years.  His ERA+ is 98, meaning that he's an average starting pitcher in the NL -- better than Wells or Looper have been as well.  Even if Jennings' injury wasn't forseeable, Purpura should've recognized the relative values of the young starter vs. the league average starter w/ 1 year before free agency.

by chuckb on Aug 27, 2007 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should have added
that you were right about a couple of things:
  1.  the Woody move was dumb -- really dumb!
  2.  he was right to hang on to Lidge -- it would've been a bad move to trade him when his value was at its nadir.  They should probably move him this offseason, however, as they need to add a lot of parts.

by chuckb on Aug 27, 2007 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garner took a bullet for Purpura...
In all of this what did Garner do to deserve the mess Purpura handed him. I really think the Stros threw the baby out with the bathe water. Garner knows baseball and he will give some team a lift. Maybe Pittsburgh will help him out. The only problem there will be that he has to manage like his GM is Purpura  and that didn't work out so well last time.
The Red Blazer

by Red Blazer on Aug 27, 2007 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

see my above post
about beating up his team publicly after game 3 of the WS; about continuing to play Everett and insisting on having Biggio and Ausmus back on the team, etc.

Did he deserve the mess he got?  Who does?  But the man is a terrible manager -- beyond bad and the only team that will benefit from his being fired is the Astros.

by chuckb on Aug 27, 2007 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually liked the Lee deal
It was a nice "win now" move, however, as you noted they then allowed Pettitte (and thus Clemens) to walk. Those are not "win now" moves. Neither is starting Biggio (who has been terrible)all season until he got his 3000 hit. That whole org is a mess.
Hello, playoff race

by Alxfritz on Aug 28, 2007 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

While we're on the subject of GMs

Only the Reds surpass Purpura in inexplicable behavior.  The lame duck GM O'Brien was atrocious (though probably had hands tied) - Krivsky made a couple of clever moves then lost his mind.  The performance of these two front offices have helped create Comedy Central and keep the injury riddled Cards near the top.

by Hinkster on Aug 27, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions  

What about
the pirates?

by jeff abs on Aug 27, 2007 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

For whatever reasons

I don't count the Pirates...they are like the Royals and Vanderbilt sports....they are kept around for community service but not funded to a playoff competitive level...sorry KC, Pgh and Dore fans but......

by Hinkster on Aug 27, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know
As an SEC guy, ever since Vandy ditched their athletic department, their athletics have seen some of their best success in a long, long time.  Football has had back-to-back 5-win seasons (a huge accomplishment for them, with a win over Georgia last year, to boot!), men's basketball went to the Sweet 16 last year, and I believe almost the Elite 8, women's basketball has always been pretty good, and they had the #1 baseball team in the country for most of last year.  I'd say Vandy is leagues above the Royals and Pirates.
Re-acquire Edgar Renteria

by Mr Redbird on Aug 27, 2007 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

As a fellow SEC kinda guy, I would have to agree....Vandy may be on to something with the way they have handled the athletics office (or lack thereof) thing.....light years ahead of Pgh and KC in terms of creativity and efficiency.....and, Vandy makes money!

by Hinkster on Aug 27, 2007 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You cannot dis the Kansas City Royals
anymore....they are not in last place for the first time in a gazillion years, and they have the former Brave guy running the farm system now.....they have really a bunch of good minor leaguers, and look what they have gotten out of Teahan, Bannister and Meche just to name a few.  They are going to see .500 sometime in the next 2 years.  Baby steps, but in the right direction.

by jillsinmo on Aug 27, 2007 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Royals

Just for my own personal humor, I'll continue to diss the Royals until all members of the 85 so-called championship team are gone, the flag no longer waves at their stadium and Whitey is elected to the HOF

by Hinkster on Aug 27, 2007 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have at it....I just wanted you to know
they are taking very small steps in the right direction.....maybe by the year 2025......

by jillsinmo on Aug 27, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

add littlefield to that sad list
the facts that neither Krivsky nor Littlefield will trade within the division, and that both seem determined to give away whatever talent they can to anyone who calls and asks nicely, serves to damage the division as a whole.  
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 27, 2007 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The division is bad...
but the Central has had five of the last six NLCS participants and seven of the last 10.
Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 27, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

on the contrary
Littlefield has been all too eager to trade talent to the Cubs for little to nothing in return (see Randal Simon, Aramis Ramirez, Kenny Lofton (? - may have been a FA deal).

by yorktro on Aug 27, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

forgot about that
it was apparently kenny lofton, aramis ramirez AND CASH to the cubs for a guy with a 47 OPS+, a pitcher who was released a month later and a PTBNL.  So he not only traded talent to the Cubs for non-prospects, but he PAID the cubs to take the talent off his hands...
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 27, 2007 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't noted sausage beater
Randall Simon in there somewhere, too?
Hello, playoff race

by Alxfritz on Aug 27, 2007 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I knew...
he hit a mascot with a bat... he's known for sausage beating too??

Such talk on a baseball blog...

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 27, 2007 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Larry, about the NL ERA
since June 15th.  Is it possible to do a split of the Top 5-7 as far as 'starter' ERA?

We know the bullpen has been nails, but it'd be interesting to see how each team's bullpen skews them.

For instance, the Cubs bullpen, which was a joke for most of the year has only had 1 blown save in a long time (as long as the Cards).  I'm sure during that, it has helped drive the overall ERA down.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 27, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Garner
Not to be hateful, but really I am pretty happy to hear he has been canned.

I could not stand all the praise he received back in 2004-2006 for getting the most out of "under-performing teams." Garner is a poor manager in most aspects. Good ridance.

by JMedwick on Aug 27, 2007 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Anybody got
any numbers on teams records when they get a new manager?

Seems like a lot of times, they put together a little streak...hope that doesn't happen here with the Astho's.

Good pitching will beat good hitting any time, and vice versa. ~Bob Veale, 1966

by bukowski on Aug 27, 2007 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

You should always worry about the
Astros--they are always playing their best ball the last month of the season....

by jillsinmo on Aug 27, 2007 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

not this year...
no clemens and pettite = no late season magic run.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 27, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting comment in Bernie's article today
Here's the link.

The "interesting" excerpt in question:

What a division.

The NL Central is a George Romero film...Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, whatever...even when it seems like you're dead in this division -- you're not.

Now where have I heard an analogy like that before?  ;-)
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 27, 2007 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

indeed
perfect opportunity for a hat tip, and he blew it (assuming his editor didn't step in).  Boooo, bernie.
"and we're grasping at rainbows, holding on till the end..."

by SleepyCA on Aug 27, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best part is
he used it on the air about 6p on his radio show, too.
youneverknow

by meat on Aug 28, 2007 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

oof...
Maroth and Thompson pitched tonight for Memphis...

Maroth: 1.2IP, 4ER, 3H, 1BB, 2K, 1HR
Thompson: 3.1IP, 4H, 4ER, 0BB, 1K, 2HR

Oh man.

by longhornscardinals on Aug 27, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Maroth is done.
I feel bad for the guy, but his Major League days have to be about over.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 27, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

On the bright side, Falkenborg, Perez and
Jimenez all pitched very well in the same game.  When we got Maroth, I thought eh, he doesn't look like a great pick up, but I thought he'd have a better record in the NL-but he has looked like he's pitching batting practice.  Thompson's sinker hasn't been sinking, and when that happens he has a tough time......LaDunc's handling of him back/forth starting, relieving, no pitching at all, has been harmful to his development.  I have hopes for Brad turning it around, but I agree that Maroth should not be kept around for next season.

by jillsinmo on Aug 27, 2007 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boy
did dombroski know something we didn't or what?!??!

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 27, 2007 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

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