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Game 121 Open Thread: August 21, 2007

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barone

wainwright

0-1, 6.23

11-9, 4.01

an item from the top run of the standings: the brewers have sent chris capuano to the bullpen. he's 0-10 with a 6.70 era in his last 16 starts; the brewers are 0-16 in those starts. he should give anthony reyes a call. what the hell, let's compare:

GS IP  H BB SO HR W-L ERA AVGS
capuano (5/13-8/19) 16 86 110 35 82 13 0-10 6.70 .313/.382/.500
reyes (4/7-6/27) 12 65  68 24 46  8 0-10 6.40 .270/.340/.452

our 0-10 guy is way better than their 0-10 guy.

wainwright goes for win #12 tonight; the last first-year starter to get 12 wins for the cardinals was this guy with the big curveball. if wainwright goes on to win 13 this year, he'll equal the number recorded by this hard thrower. anybody know the last time a first-year starter won more than 13 games for st louis?

hell, braden looper might manage to get to 13 wins; he's a first-year starter too, i guess . . . . .

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In other top of the standings news
Ben Sheets threw a simulated game yesterday and the Brewers, out of desperation contemplated throwing him back into the rotation with no rehab starts.

He promptly got a blister on that middle finger he tore a ligament in.  He's day-to-day.

Ha!

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

ahhh... matty mo, we miss you, kind of...
Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 21, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

If he had thrown a QS last game
the Cardinals scored enough for him not to have lost it.

Grand Slams to players who have 0 HRs on the year don't help.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he earned THAT loss.
Doesn't explain several predecessors.

by lordsummer on Aug 22, 2007 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

fantasy football
count me in if you haven't found anyone yet.. s0kud0@yahoo.com

by s0kud0 on Aug 21, 2007 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carlton
won 14 in what looks like his first full year starting, 1967...

by jfs on Aug 21, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

It all depends on what the definition is
for starting.  See, Looper and Wainwright had NEVER started a Major League game.  In the 1st year they did THAT, they'll reach 13 wins.

Going all the way back to 1950, I can't find anyone who, in the season they made their first start for the Cardinals, won more than 13 games.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't looked him up yet
but I was going to offer... Lindy McDaniel
Or maybe he was a reliever, and prother Von was a starter.   to the web site we go:

by CurtFlood on Aug 21, 2007 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

partly right
Lucky Lindy went 15-9 in 1957, his first FULL year as a starter.  But he did pitch briefly in '55 and has seven starts in '56 with 32 relief appearances

by CurtFlood on Aug 21, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, there are a lot of
pitchers who had good first 'full' years but as far as the Looper/Wainwright situation, these were their first years EVER starting a game.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lineups
No Duncan, No Rolen

Eckstein
Ankiel
Pujols
Edmonds
Encarncion
Molina
Miles
Wainwright
Ryan

Always a good idea to give the hot hitter a day off.  Also nice to see that the 'Ryan at leadoff' thing got squashed after we won with it.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I'd switch Eckstein and Ryan
Their batting order slots could be switched too.
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sitting the Hot Hitter
Interesting since Rolen himself says that it is tough for the shoulder to recover for a day game after a night game. Tonight, his shoulder will have had a little extra time off.

by Vinegar Bend on Aug 21, 2007 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is disgusting
we aren't quick enough of a team to win by small ball. We need Rolen in there. You said it best, he had a great day yesterday, he shouldn't be out of the line-up.

Geez, TLR is the king of driving me nuts.

Plus, I'd like to point out that Duncan hasn't played a full game since Milwaukee. The guy is not going to get back on track if we keep benching him! Rookie right-handed pitchers ARE the type of guys he should be facing.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 21, 2007 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolen's quote about tonight:
"Let's not go too far with fatigue and get back in a worse situation."

by nycardfan on Aug 21, 2007 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh!
Nice To see TLR and Scott on the same page regarding when he starts and when he rests for once.

by Vinegar Bend on Aug 21, 2007 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I caught a glimpse
of them high fiving in the dugout in Chicago (really it was more low fiving than high fiving).  Whatever it was, I was surprised by it.

by nycardfan on Aug 21, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very interesting......
glimpse which I missed nycardfan. I was under the distinct impression that Scottie no longer trusted TLR. High-fiving or low-fiving would indicate the "love" is back.

by Vinegar Bend on Aug 21, 2007 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scotty is a pro
and Tony is a pro.  Their disagreements always make me uneasy, but the bottom line is they both want to win.

** by the way VB, Mr. Mizell was one of my early favorite Cardinals.  It was a heart-break when he was traded to Pittsburgh in 1960 (where, by the way, he went 13-5 for the world champs... for the life of me I can't remember if he pithed in the WS that year or not)

by CurtFlood on Aug 21, 2007 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilmer Mizell.....
(no wonder he went by "Vinegar Bend")... he pitched in the '60 WS against the Yanks and lost with an ERA of 15.43 for his one postseason start..

Never returned home to Vineger Bend Alabama after baseball, but the "Proud Home" sign outside town is still standing, but unreadable. He worked for Pepsi, G. Ford, Reagan and G H Bush in later life as a hardcore conservative type after a 90-88 career in baseball.

"Hate every player until he hits a homer or throws a shutout, then like'em for at least ONE thread!" The 2007 patron saints of baseball genuises blog' motto!

by cardschinmusic on Aug 22, 2007 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eck leads off?
<Insert ritual TLR "bizarro lineup" rolling of the eyes>

Why in the world would he put Eck back in the leadoff spot?  Eck saw a total of 10 pitches all day yesterday while getting his 0-3 (plus a BB).  Meanwhile Ryan saw OVER 10 pitches in just ONE of his at bats (12), and a total of 27 pitches!

Brendan's line is .337/.409/.506 (.915)
Eckstein's line is .294/.340/.355 (.695)

And Ryan can steal a base.  Why give up almost 70 pts of OBP, another likely AB with +.220 OPS, and speed to have Eck lead off?  I just don't get it.

There must be something else at work here that we don't know...like there was with Rolen.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 21, 2007 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe Tony rented
one of those tumblers with the ping-pong balls... and the 'eck' ball came out first.

Seriously... it probably has something to do with the Fla. pitcher, altho I have no idea what.
The quasi-annoying thing about Tony is he ALWAYS has a cogent explanation for things like this.

by CurtFlood on Aug 21, 2007 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it may simply be
paying respect to the veteran.  TLR says he always goes with the top performer but he seems to have problems following his own advice...

by nycardfan on Aug 21, 2007 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your putting a lot of stock
in Brendan Ryan's limited number of at bats at the majors.  Eckstein is probably going to stay around a .340 OBP for the rest of the season.  Ryan could go cold very easily.
Future Redbirds

by azruavatar on Aug 21, 2007 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

enjoy the gettin
while the gettin is good. I was complaining about it  at the ballpark last week BEFORE Ryan got called up. My sister promptly reminded me things were going good and to quit whining. I smile and the next thing I know Ankiel hits 2 HRs and I am uber happy. So for the rest of this good run I am not complaining.
On another note, does anyone know how I can get the Cards to give my sis season tickets. We figured it out and she is now 14-0. I think they would want her around. They can throw in an extra for me if they want.

by mattyfrommo on Aug 21, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

small sample size
my friend, small sample size.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 21, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's to a Marquis blow-up tonight!
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Ol' Dizz............
also won 18 in his rookie year.....1932

by Vinegar Bend on Aug 21, 2007 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

This Barone fella
bears a striking resemblance to Andy Pettite.

by Hungry Jack on Aug 21, 2007 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking the exact same thing
It's a pretty remarkable resemblance, at least from that picture.

Let's just hope he doesn't pitch like Pettitte (especially 2005 Pettitte)...

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 21, 2007 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's another...........
Topps screw up. That is Andy Pettitte with a Marlins cap Photoshopped in.

by Vinegar Bend on Aug 21, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever happens this year
I'm really happy w/ the progress that Wainwright and Reyes have made and think the book is still open on Looper as well.  

This set really gives the Cards an opportunity -- w/ so many home games coming in the next couple of weeks.  The Cards have to make the most of their home games vs. opponents such as the Marlins.

by chuckb on Aug 21, 2007 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Is what Reyes has done progress?
I guess his start on Thursday will kinda help decide that.  However, isn't he having a worse year this year than last?

As far as Wainwright, these last 2 times out he has pitched without his best 'stuff' and has been able to shut down 2 major league offenses.  That's the sign of a front end starter.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Considering
Reyes got consistently worse last year - ERA went up every month, WS outlier excluded - I don't know.

He looked on a similar path this year but posted his first month in the big leagues where his ERA went down.  It may be a random spike, but I'd call it progress for now.
 

by enoscountry on Aug 21, 2007 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

What is the deal with Pujols at home this year?
He seems to be struggling mightly in his home ballpark.  A quick rundown of his career in Busch III compared to his two year away splits:


I Split     G   AB    R    H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  IBB  SO  HBP   GDP    BA   OBP   SLG   OPS

Away 2006  71  268   53   85  13   1  25   67  42  13   27   1     10   .317  .409  .653 1.062  
Away 2007  63  233   51   82  12   0  19   39  44  12   27   4      9   .352  .458  .648 1.106

Away Ttl  134  501   104 167  25   1  44  106  86  25   54   5     19
Bsch III  129  473   94  151  33   0  33  111  83  20   47   5     21   .319  .423  .598 1.021

Basically, in 2006, he had a pretty even split between home and away.  This year, however, he's practially 'half' the player in Busch III than he is on the road.  That does not bode well for our remaining home games.  Diedra needs to change her cooking or something.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 7:12 PM EDT reply actions  

The game tonight has a pitcher they have
never faced before.  They have not played well against pitchers they have never faced this year.  Let's see if they can shake that monkey off of their back......

by jillsinmo on Aug 21, 2007 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

They'd have no chance, then
if he were a left-handed soft-tosser.

by drbill on Aug 21, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Muldy is doing pretty good in PBC tonight
2 innings, 1 unearned run (he made the error though), lots of ground outs so far and 0 walks
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 21, 2007 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

"He's pitching beneath...
...an azure blue sky in beautiful Palm Beach, Florida, on a wonderful night for baseball!" (Whoops, wrong Scully!)

[Off Topic... the "X-Files" character was allegedly named after the Dodgers' broadcaster, a fave of the TV show's creator.]

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Aug 21, 2007 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vin Scully...
the greatest living baseball broadcaster.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 21, 2007 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a gamecast/gameday app available?
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a good one...
but you can check out www.milb.com and they update the games as they go on.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 21, 2007 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cannon
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

WHY DO PEOPLE STILL RUN ON YADI???
FOOLS ALL OF YOU
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

This game is about to get ugly...
Brendan Ryan is not a third baseman.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 21, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Blame the Pu
he should have dug that out. It wasn't even that difficult.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Judging by Gameday
It looks like AW is missing all over the place with the hammer.  Can anyone confirm?
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Wild early on
No location with the curve.

by DriverZn on Aug 21, 2007 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nails
despite having to thread the needle through this strike zone.
Call up Jarrett Hoffpauir!

by player2bnamedl8r on Aug 21, 2007 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

"Sa-wing and a Miss
He struck him out!"
Cheering on the Cardinals, one pitch at a time.

by ColinMacLeod on Aug 21, 2007 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

he is
but the last pitch was a really sweet one

I miss Rolen at 3rd... 2 plays by Ryan that would have been easy for Rolen.

by redbird2006in on Aug 21, 2007 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

THREE balls...
The leadoff single was a ball that Rolen normally makes a play on... it wasn't that difficult

by salvomania on Aug 21, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whew
That sure was an ugly inning, even for not letting any runs cross.  26 pitches (14 balls), two BBs, and an E.  Saved by the almighty K and CS.
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 8:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Mulder's Start
is logged here. Three k's, five IP, a bunch of grounders and a few lineouts. Plus, someone stole off him, but he doesn't have Yadi down there with him.

by lawman3842 on Aug 21, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions  

4 IP
He got lifted at the beginning of the bottom of the 5th
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The curve is terrible tonight
no location on it whatsoever. That usually results in a rough outing for Wainer.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 21, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Wainwright
You have to admit, Wainwright's ceiling keeps getting higher with each passing start. The perseverance of this guy is incredible...
Check out my new and improved Cardinals blog: http://rockinred.blogspot.com

by rockin the red on Aug 21, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Struck out the side
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

After the rocky
first inning, Adam looked much better in the second.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 21, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Too bad Wagonmaker had 26 pitches
in the first.  He could've been on his way to Johan-like numbers.
Cheering on the Cardinals, one pitch at a time.

by ColinMacLeod on Aug 21, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

He still could be
Just strike out the side through the 6th :)
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

good lord, what an arm
ankiel's fastball from right is 5 mph faster than wainwright's
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

even when he's playing left
d'oh
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

edmonds bobbled the ball
getting it out of his glove. turned 1st & 3rd into 2nd and a run.
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

1st and a run, rather
still just a single, but got the run. willingham ran through his 3b coach's stop sign to score on the error.
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did Willingham score from 1st on a single?
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Wainwright is flat out terrible tonight...
I know our defense hasn't helped, but he's been absolutely terrible out there. If he can't locate his curve, he might as well take the night off.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 21, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, he's definitely struggling
just needs to try and get through a QS. he's at 63 pitches right now, which is awful; if he can just average 15/inning for 3 innings, he can make it through 6 IP with 108 pitches - doable. now let's get some runs!
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good call
I just logged on and saw the box score -- Wainer lifted after 6 with 108 pitches.

by jfs on Aug 21, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

This looks promising
2nd & 3rd, no outs

Surely we can score, right?

by DriverZn on Aug 21, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Wainwright
looks like his curve has more movement than he knows what to do with....by my count the Marlins have swung and missed 8 times, so they don't know where it's going either....

by nota bene on Aug 21, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

c'mon
surely he can hit a fly ball....

by nota bene on Aug 21, 2007 9:12 PM EDT reply actions  

dammit
2nd & 3rd, nobody out, no runs....arrgh

by nota bene on Aug 21, 2007 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

great AB rick
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Who says Ankiel cannot take a walk?
Perhaps he though he had to his his way out of the minors.  Doesn't seem that impatient up here.

by DriverZn on Aug 21, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Ankiel struck out twice, the umps helped
but Albert is pretty not good at home this year.  That home average has fallen to the low .280s.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 9:16 PM EDT reply actions  

did you not watch the
cubs series? I know he dps alot this yr but the guy has been swinging a decent stick right now.
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Aug 21, 2007 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure that was a joke.
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i meant to ask
in my reply but forgot..
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Aug 21, 2007 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I had a dollar for every golden scoring
opportunity like that we've blown this year... [insert witty comment about my hypothetical wealth here].

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 21, 2007 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

AP
should have been taking....

by nota bene on Aug 21, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Well that 7 pitch inning sure helps his
chances of being around through the 6th. He was at 63 after 3 innings.
The 2007 St. Louis Multiple Personality Disorders...Alternately;(Punchless) Judies; (Pitchless) Lounge singers; or Leaky Boilers (can't hold pressure)?

by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

GOAT: Eckstein
Eck isn't going to hit a homer... He's not likely to take one deep enough for a sac fly.  If he takes an upper cut swing its going to a shallow pop fly or a infield pop up... possibly a bloop hit, but not likely.

The result?
Upper swing
pop out to shallow center

Golden scoring opportunity lost.

by redbird2006in on Aug 21, 2007 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm only listening on the radio, but from what
Horton said it sounded like Eckstein hit a solid line drive to center, not a weak pop out.

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 21, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

we keep getting them on
how about some RUNS

by CurtFlood on Aug 21, 2007 9:27 PM EDT reply actions  

this game is going to ruin our season...
if we lose. this is the first half cardinals come again. so many scoring chances and we can't do anything.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 21, 2007 9:28 PM EDT reply actions  

We may not score tonight
unless Rick Ankiel hits a HR.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I had to quit watching
I was afraid I was going to throw something at my TV.

How can this team win so many 10 run games and then can't buy a run in a close game.

by KYCards on Aug 21, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

at some point
retreads play like...well retreads..
07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Aug 21, 2007 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

This offense reminds me of the 1980 Cardinals
7-10 runs and blow 'em out, or lose 2-1 with 11 LOB, a DP, and a CS.

Okay, that old Cards team didn't get bounced 12-4 as much as this one...

by kwhiteside on Aug 21, 2007 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

New QS streak
tonight will be three in a row WITHOUT a QS at teh rate things are going.
The 2007 St. Louis Multiple Personality Disorders...Alternately;(Punchless) Judies; (Pitchless) Lounge singers; or Leaky Boilers (can't hold pressure)?

by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions  

When we score 3 or less
What is our W-L record this season?
Last time I saw it, the answer was something dismal like 2-35
The 2007 St. Louis Multiple Personality Disorders...Alternately;(Punchless) Judies; (Pitchless) Lounge singers; or Leaky Boilers (can't hold pressure)?

by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Wainwright
leads off the bottom of the 5th....he's at 91 pitches....I say leave him in for one more, since he'd pitch to the bottom of the order in the top of the 6th.

by nota bene on Aug 21, 2007 9:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Wainer
seems to be alternating rough innings with decent ones.  If he sticks to pattern, he should be fine in the sixth.  

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 21, 2007 9:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Anyone want to argue with me...
that Eckstein still has any use to this team?
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 21, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Refresh my memory, but. . .
don't you have to be on the bag to get the force out or do we just reward the effort???

by faninexile on Aug 21, 2007 9:46 PM EDT reply actions  

This suck`s
You can pretty much send out a pitcher Stl has never seen before no matter how crappy and we`ll get shutout. We need some clutch hitting tonight..... three double plays in three innings talk about rally killers.

by Calhoun on Aug 21, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought it was worse
but our record in the first game of a homestand is  4-6 so far this year
April 0 W 3L
May 2-0
June  1-1
July 1-1
Aug  0-1 not counting tonight.

My recollection was that we always come home and lose the first one.

The 2007 St. Louis Multiple Personality Disorders...Alternately;(Punchless) Judies; (Pitchless) Lounge singers; or Leaky Boilers (can't hold pressure)?

by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

viva el hombre!!!!!!!!
Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 21, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

4 games in a row!!
What's the record? I think I remember Mattingly doing it 8 games in a row to tie the record.

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 21, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Albert
is by far the Majors' solo homerun champion.

He is struggling though with runners on, but I'll take the ones that are solo variety as well.

by KYCards on Aug 21, 2007 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know,
I don't think it's really a matter of Albert necessarily struggling with runners on.  The only time pitchers give him anything even remotely hittable is when he comes up with the bases empty.  Now, he does hurt himself, trying to do it all himself and expanding his zone in RBI situations, swinging at pitches he lets go otherwise, but I think his apparent struggles with men on has more to do with the way he's piched than anything.  
To hell with your spoiled baby! I need those shoes!

by the red baron on Aug 22, 2007 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest complaint on Albert's hitting
is that he gets himself into holes way too often.  Watch the next time he runs a count 3-0.  Now, conventional wisdom tell little leaguers and what-nots to take on 3-0.

However, if your Albert Pujols you should be sitting on a fastball and depositing every single time.  He doesn't.  I know this (have for at least 3 or more years) and I know opposing teams/pitchers know this.

When he's got a count 3-0, he just stands there.  Doens't even take his normal batting stance, it's like he's watching an intentional walk, except the pitcher grooves a fastball down the middle of the plate (I'd estimate 90% of the time).

Now, he's at 3-1 and the pitcher will often throw breaking stuff away the next couple of pitches, which he usually fouls off.  The announcers usually give him kudos for fouling off such tough pitches until he get's a 3-2 pitch that is close enough to swing at but results in either a grounder to ss or a pop up to 2b.  That is as long as the pitcher hasn't made a "mistake" by then and gotten one over too much of the plate.

All of this could have been avoided if he'd just hammer that 3-0 fastball down the middle of the plate.  But he never does.

by Big Red on Aug 22, 2007 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

DAMNIT
just missed
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by stltrav09 on Aug 21, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

No one answered my ? so I looked it up
When we score 2 or less our record is 2-38.
We've been shut out 10 times
Scored 1 run 19 times and lost all 19.
Scored 2 runs 11 times and won 2 lost 9
When we score 3 we are 8-12.

So in a third of our games we have scored 2 or less!
I wonder if anyone else has as dismal a record?

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by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 10:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I doubt
any team has a good record when scoring 2 runs or fewer.

I'm struck that we've done that 40 times this season. Ugh.

Writing this after the mini miracle to win this game and score 5 runs. Wahoo!

by Youneverknow on Aug 22, 2007 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

6 hr, 10 rbis
this month for Albert.

Depressing.

by enoscountry on Aug 21, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

And the lack of RBIs
is going to be a BIG factor in Albert not getting his 2nd MVP.

by KYCards on Aug 21, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLR should just let Albert bat clean-up
what the heck we have our pitcher batting eighth, why not have our best hitter bat fourth.

by faninexile on Aug 21, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Batting him fourth would defeat the stated purpose
of hitting the pitcher eighth, as it is designed to get more guys on base in front of Pujols.

As another post alluded to (6 HR, 10 RBI), that part doesn't seem to have worked out as well as it might....

by kwhiteside on Aug 21, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

how are the Mets 71-53 ?
don't they have some holes... especially pitching?

by CurtFlood on Aug 21, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

They score runs
Because they don't give playing time to people like Juan, Miles, and Eck.

by DriverZn on Aug 21, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wainer wasn't pretty, but our pitching has
certainly kept us in the game tonight. Time for more runs!!!

On the radio, that sounded like a pretty good catch by Enc.

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 21, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions  

it was well done
it was in the park, but maybe 3 feet from the wall.  Fans were a factor (and he tossed it to a dude in the crowd afterwards for bonus points).
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by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know it's fashionable to want to disappear
Juan and Anthony, but I admit to liking both of them, and kind of wanting them to stick around for awhile.  I'll go home now.......

by jillsinmo on Aug 21, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have been
getting a lot of clutch hits late in games and getting a bunch of rally from behind wins.

by KYCards on Aug 21, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd say Barry has a good shot at 761 tonight...
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well
Unless he gets pulled before then, BB will get at least one more chance ;)
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you; we can hope.
If Barry's going to insist on trying to hit more HRs, he may as da** well hit 'em against the Cubs and especially Jason...

by kwhiteside on Aug 21, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

how in the world
does pedro feliz keep a big league job?   The guy's earning $5.1M to put up a consistent .710 OPS at third base for the giants- and it's not like he's on some kind of bad 8 year contract or something; they're paying him year by year.
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by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Brendan Ryan deceptively slow?
What am I missing?  Why don't we ever steal with this guy.  Christ, we put the pitcher in motion but we won't put the fastest guy on the team moving?

He'd be at 3rd, maybe even try to score if we had freaking stole 2nd base earlier!!!!

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

And as Eck continues the rally...
Everyone is quiet. All the haters have nothing to say. I still like the guy. And want the bashing to end.

by Pujols Is A God on Aug 21, 2007 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

It was nice of the leadoff hitter
to finally reach base tonight.
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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right
It'll probably never happen again. Get him off the team.

by Pujols Is A God on Aug 21, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is ridiculous
how many of eckstein's family members are on this thread? he gets defended to the death for going 1-4 with a single.

there is no reason brendan ryan shouldn't be the leadoff hitter right now. i understand he is young, small sample size, whatever. but until that sample size gets larger and worse enough to match eckstein's, there's absolutely no reason ryan isn't a better leadoff hitter.

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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I said
Was being taken to harsh. Just as everyone else here, I want to win. And I think Ryan leading off and playing SS gives us the best chance...Right now. He's swinging a good stick and will never be upped in the field by Eckstein. No doubt...I'm impressed by what he's done. And deserves to be put there so we can see how capable he is, along with giving us a better chance to win.

My original statement was not to be a BIG Eckstein defender. It was directed towards those who say things like "Why is he still playing" or "Does Eck have any use on this team". I think he deserves to be here and play. I don't mind a guy who plays a hard 9 and is hitting close to .300 Compared to Ryan, Eckstein falls short. But I just wanted to voice my opinion on him. That's all.

by Pujols Is A God on Aug 21, 2007 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

point taken.
eckstein definitely deserves to be playing - and starting - for this team right now, by default if for no other reason. he's better than miles, and was better than kennedy before he was hurt. eck/ryan should be the middle infield. ryan should be starting.

next year might be another matter. but for this year, definitely, eckstein has his place.

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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly
Thanks for understanding. I was going to say something about him being better than Miles in my post too. But didn't want to jinx it. And then Miles comes through with a RBI. Ha. Gotta love it.

And I agree...Next year is a whole new ballgame. Especially if Ryan continues for the next 40 games...and hopefully more.

by Pujols Is A God on Aug 21, 2007 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

people are not haters
just because they want the team's leadoff hitter to have an obp higher than .340. or because they would prefer to have a shortstop with a better arm, or better range, or better health, or a better slugging percentage. that does not make them haters, and it does not constitute bashing.

and a single to make a guy 1-4 on the night, raising his season ops to a gritty, scrappy .692, would not do much to "quiet" the "haters" if there were any.

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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

marlins pitcher
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon Rick
A base hit will do.
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

that was a loogy doing his job.
many times this year Tankersley hasn't....

by kwhiteside on Aug 21, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

ankiel also swung at
2 awful pitches.  Hopefully he learned something from it...
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by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess
we'll have to just count on another solo shot from AB to tie it.

by Iowa Zleb on Aug 21, 2007 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Well he WILL be leading off the inning
Definitely won't have anyone on base.  If Rick had walked, and AP had come up with the bases loaded, I'm not sure I would have felt optimistic...
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

1 run 16 LOB
that's the story of the game and for a good part of the season as well.

by KYCards on Aug 21, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Devil's Advocate
The Marlins have 15 LOB as well.  So they haven't exactly taken advantage of our lack of clutch hits.
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

guys who are better at stats than me
it does seem like the cards have had more than their share of LOB this year, as a percentage of total baserunners.
  1. is there a place to go to confirm/deny this, other than going through game logs?
  2. what would be the likely reason for this? low obp? low iso?
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 10:45 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah, i'd figure
our ops with risp isn't very good - but that's to be expected because our ops in general is also lower than average, so i'm not sure that fully explains it.

thanks for the link.

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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

interestingly enough
we are leading the league in LOB%, and are middle of the pack in BA/RISP.  So I guess our problem is just that we don't get enough RISP...

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/teams/

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by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

which to me, without studying it, sounds like
an iso problem. which would create a higher % of singles, and a lower % of xbh - thus, as a percentage of runners on base, a lower % of risp, and thus higher lob.
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Four outs
Now that is just showing off!

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 21, 2007 10:48 PM EDT reply actions  

gameday is lying
landed shy of the warning track.  Looked good off the bat though
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by stltrav09 on Aug 21, 2007 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

With AP, Jed and Enc batting this inning
Who would have thunk that Enc would see the most pitches?
AP 2
J Ed 1
Enc  4 so far
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by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 10:54 PM EDT reply actions  

juan
so clutch.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 21, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

MAKE IT HURT!!
Let's go!
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by stltrav09 on Aug 21, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn it, we need to take advantage of that
Come on Yadi!!  Think NLCS Game 7!!
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

oh my goodness
that was fun...
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by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 21, 2007 10:57 PM EDT reply actions  

YADIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!
Ok the game is here for the taking LETS GO GET IT!
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by stltrav09 on Aug 21, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

nice job, juan
way to hustle around those bases...
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by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Now its time for Miles to bunt?
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by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

no kidding
shades of zambrano/barrett.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 21, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he could bunt it to ramirez
I'd say yes...

Benitez should have been pulled after the error.

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by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

or he could just get a hit ;)
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by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i sense a fist fight in the marlins dugout
those boys just need a hug...
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by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 21, 2007 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!
Let the mistakes keep coming!!!!!
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

what mistakes?
The "Big B" throwing belt high fatballs over the middle of the plate after his meltdown or Hanleys throw on Jaun?
And I'm also the President of the "Armando Benitez Take Your Shortstop To Work With You" Association.

by cardschinmusic on Aug 22, 2007 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

How do you give the RF an error on that one?
the throw was perfect, it went through because it got there at the same time as the slide.

by CardFaninVA on Aug 21, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

aaron miles
marlin slayer!!
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by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 21, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Meaning
I don't care how we score at this point, just bring on the runs.

by DriverZn on Aug 21, 2007 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOVE IT!!
LOOK AT OUR BOYS!!  THEY'RE LOVIN IT, WE'RE LOVIN IT.. THIS IS AWESOME
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by stltrav09 on Aug 21, 2007 11:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Benitez' Motion - Cards Lead!
Did he flip ramirez off? Anyone see it?

Way to go Miles!!! Good inning birds!

by brafi on Aug 21, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

i think he did
FSN cut away just as he did it.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 21, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

MIles!!
Get Izzy up in the 'pen

by Valatan on Aug 21, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

IZZY TIME!
thank you hanley ramirez!

insurance anyone?

benetiz is an inmature pitcher.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 21, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Did Someone
ask for insurance?
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by glennrwordman on Aug 21, 2007 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bottom of the line up gets it done
Enc, Molina, Miles. 2 of 3 catch a lot of flack at this site as well. Maybe there is a place for them on the team!
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by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

3-2
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by nota bene on Aug 21, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Sign of the apocalypse?
Did we really just get back-to-back hits w/RISP and 2 out?????
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

A swarm of locusts is approaching Busch III
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOOOOOOOO
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 11:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm guessing Isringhausen
won't be available tonight?

by Petkovsek on Aug 21, 2007 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

if i'm hanley ramirez
i sleep with my bat under my pillow tonight.

by acham8206 on Aug 21, 2007 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

& those were all 2 out hits
Even two hits with 2 out and RISP.
That's a month worth for us in a single inning.
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by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

pujols is in the dugout thinking,
why couldn't i bat against THIS guy?
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

LUDDDYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 21, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

ok nevermind.
bring in uhhhhhhhhhh well just keep in percival.

this is '04 like.

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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 21, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

WOW
benitez = fat lidge
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Ludwick homers- Benitez is gonna kill Rameriz
Wonder if there is ajustifiable homicide law in Missouri?
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by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Can we put him in Witness protection...
as the Cardinals starting SS?
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 21, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

i swear to god my lips are sealed
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by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starting at shortstop for the Cardinals...
Homer Thompson!  
To hell with your spoiled baby! I need those shoes!

by the red baron on Aug 22, 2007 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

whispers
"i think he's talking to you"
Boooo-urns.

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2007 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

What an inning!!!!!
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

as much as I'm loving this inning,
(and I"m really loving this inning), I really don't want to hear the phrase 'lollipop throw' again

by Valatan on Aug 21, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Against a double-sized man, though
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah so have I mentioned
that I'm a big Ludwick fan?
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by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I haven't seen the dugout that excited all year.
Simply awesome!  They can feel it...
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by stltrav09 on Aug 21, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

And from what Shannon said, Ludwick was
practically wetting himself when he was rounding 1st base, he was so excited. Very good to hear.

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 21, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go Diamondbacks, Go giants
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by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

guiants are swinging at everything
remotely close to home plate...  Lincecum is going to have to pitch a CGSHO to win this one.

WTF is duncan hitting for Ryan for?

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by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they wanted him for his defense
cuz given the guaranteed  strikeout it could not ahve been for his offense
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by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe TLR was hoping...
he would ride the good tide, touch one off, and break out of his slump.

by ZiggyG on Aug 21, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

good point
that was probably a good move.  

Chris probably needs to hit the DL, just take some time off before the playoffs...

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by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know
that is what I was hoping for.  

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 21, 2007 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolen subbing for Ryan
Need his defense in there - Duncan looked awful in that AB though

by brafi on Aug 21, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

saying "go giants" makes me feel
dirty...but, you, know, go giants... and GO D-BACKS!
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by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 21, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

At what point does Duncan....
get on the bus back to Memphis? The kid is just flat out guessing up there.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 21, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Why Duncan??
Is Scotty gonna play defensive 3B in the top?
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by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes
Yes he will.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHO SAW IT?
Encarnacion turned around and gave Ankiel a big high five after Ludwicks homer.

That's great to see... I just gained some major respect for Juan.

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by stltrav09 on Aug 21, 2007 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

i did
and you really do gotta give it to Juan for that

by mattyfrommo on Aug 21, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jaun gets it...
While doing his wrist rehab stint in Springfield theres no doubting how much fans at AA thought he was lazy and lifeless above the shoulders and they let him know it every at bat. T

he newspaper billed him as uncaring and uninspired. I was expecting a more civil reception, he knows he has a basd rep in the "team spirit" dept., he better be rooting for his redbirds.

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by cardschinmusic on Aug 22, 2007 6:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

ooopss....
"The" as in "he newspaper"...."bad" as in "basd rep"....doh....wheres the coffee?
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by cardschinmusic on Aug 22, 2007 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was a clutch E6 by Juan
whole inning doesn't happen if he doesn't induce the error from Hanley.

:D

Go Cards!  Bryan Anderson is weeping softly tonight.

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by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 11:10 PM EDT reply actions  

what, what!?!?!?!
did hardcore just praise juan (sarcastically even)!?!?!?!
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 21, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh and btw
when does anderson become a major trading chip instead of a propect for the cards. i mean, the catcher position in the organiztion seems pretty set for the next 10+ years.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 21, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Keep him
I'd love to have a backup catcher who can hit and possibly platoon an outfield/infield position?  Turn him into a Super Spiezio.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok, stupid rules question
how did they get four UER against benitez?  Shouldn't ludwick, at the very least, have been an ER?
"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

No
Ludwick wouldn't have been up at all if the error wasn't made.

by saladdays on Aug 21, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

anything
after what should have been the third out doesn't count for ERA purposes.  "Stupid rule," indeed.

by DCGreg on Aug 21, 2007 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

the amazing thing about baseball
Been a fan for 30+ years and i learn something new every night, it seems.  thanks for the replies ;)
"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

if an error is made with 2 outs
all runs afterwards are unearned because if the play was made, the inning would have been over.
"We're too talented to let this season go down the drain." - Adam Wainwright

by stltrav09 on Aug 21, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Play Ends an Inning
That play by Ramirez would have ended the inning, so anything after is unearned. Completely moronic. I also don;t understand why a run is unearned if a pitcher makes the error - it's his fault...some baseball rules elude me

by brafi on Aug 21, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

ERA is an artificial construct
of the pitcher's pitching ability.  The fact that he fields his position like a Detroit Tiger is not meant to be absorbed into the statistic.

by lordsummer on Aug 22, 2007 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

No
The error on Juan's grounder would have ended the inning if they had gotten the out.  So none of the runs would have scored.
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never knew
That Ramirez had 20 errors. I thought he was more of a 5 tool player. Still...A darn good leadoff hitter. Throwing errors or not.

by Pujols Is A God on Aug 21, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Watching the dugout during the playback
I thought I might put my two cents in and nominate Jimmy Edmonds for the "Face of the Cardinals".

Great fielding, good hitting and a proven leader in the clubhouse.

I'll let you stat boys fill in the blanks.

by faninexile on Aug 21, 2007 11:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I sure hope izzy doesn't make this interesting
my nails are short enough as it is.
The 2007 St. Louis Multiple Personality Disorders...Alternately;(Punchless) Judies; (Pitchless) Lounge singers; or Leaky Boilers (can't hold pressure)?

by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

nails are better
than a half a pack of cigarettes.
I would dub Izzy "full pack" but it's already been taken.

by CurtFlood on Aug 21, 2007 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Izzy is going to have trouble tonight
Tony might have to come get the ball from him.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 11:13 PM EDT reply actions  

i, for one, am
glad that izzy is pitching a save situation... it means we got somethin' to save!!
Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 21, 2007 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Too...many...jokes
Can't...choose just...one...
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 22, 2007 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

1.62
Is a pretty good ERA
Come on You Redbirds--Mike Shannon

by BluesDrummer85 on Aug 21, 2007 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Is cabrerra a free agent this year?
Any chance we could get him and put him back in the outfield till Scotty retires?
The 2007 St. Louis Multiple Personality Disorders...Alternately;(Punchless) Judies; (Pitchless) Lounge singers; or Leaky Boilers (can't hold pressure)?

by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 11:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I know he is a great hitter
but honestly, he is one fat dude.  He really shouldn't play any position in the field.  He needs to go to the AL and be a DH.

And he's got attitude issues.  He showed up 30 minutes late for the game on Sunday.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's going to be Prince's Size
in two years - he's getting huge...not going to play anywhere but first or DH, probably

by brafi on Aug 21, 2007 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Double play to end it
It would only be fitting
"We're too talented to let this season go down the drain." - Adam Wainwright

by stltrav09 on Aug 21, 2007 11:16 PM EDT reply actions  

what a lift this would be
after being down the whole game.
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

wow, really?
cards are 50-0 when leading after 8? that's an amazing stat.

i think i have put the word "wow" into 17 subjects in a row at this point. i'm approaching brandon webb status.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cards bullpen this year
has been consistently getting it done, which is amazing when you realize they 1) lost a guy in a car accident and 2) donated Loop and WW to the rotation....

by nota bene on Aug 21, 2007 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

we're also something like
45-1 (pulled from arse but it's close to correct) when leading after SIX innings.  Franklin, springer, Johnson and percival have just been amazing this year.
"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

DBack tie it up
2nd and 3rd 1 out
"We're too talented to let this season go down the drain." - Adam Wainwright

by stltrav09 on Aug 21, 2007 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

and, that, my friends
is a winner!!
Just remember -- if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off

by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 21, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Why doubt Izzy
He gets the job done again!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on You Redbirds--Mike Shannon

by BluesDrummer85 on Aug 21, 2007 11:19 PM EDT reply actions  

That was beautiful
A comeback like that could be a real shot in the arm to the club.  Now let's reel off like 8 in a row!!
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 21, 2007 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

point taken.
the smiles in the dugout and celebration after were certainly beautiful!

by acham8206 on Aug 21, 2007 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe Shannon overplayed it
but it was so lovely to hear him say, "but here comes Jimmy."
And a sentence or two later, he said, "hello, pennant race."

by CurtFlood on Aug 21, 2007 11:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Shannon was on fire tonight
his homerun calls were great as well.
Boooo-urns.

by Alxfritz on Aug 22, 2007 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sheesh
Izzy was getting hit hard.  Hope he gets the next 2 days off.  And I mean that in a win by 4 way.

Why don't we ever use Percy for a save?  It'd be a nice tip of the cap to him to give him the chance every once in awhile.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 21, 2007 11:22 PM EDT reply actions  

wouldn't it be poetic
if the cards went down 3 games to none in the WS, and izzy came in to save games 4 and 5 and then 2 innings in game 6, and was completely unable to throw in game 7?

I still can't believe we signed Percival for what we signed him for...

"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 21, 2007 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

D-backs leave the bases loaded
but at least its tied up
The 2007 St. Louis Multiple Personality Disorders...Alternately;(Punchless) Judies; (Pitchless) Lounge singers; or Leaky Boilers (can't hold pressure)?

by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

So who is player of the game
Hanley Ramirez or Armando Benitez?

In some ways I think they both deserve it.

by enoscountry on Aug 21, 2007 11:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Rameriz gets my vote
He got thrown out at second trying to steal, struck out in a curical situation in the thrid inning,  as well as the error
The 2007 St. Louis Multiple Personality Disorders...Alternately;(Punchless) Judies; (Pitchless) Lounge singers; or Leaky Boilers (can't hold pressure)?

by Podlol on Aug 21, 2007 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Great job, boys!
Loved seeing all the excitement in the dugout too.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 21, 2007 11:26 PM EDT reply actions  

That
was my favorite part too!!!!  It was so great to see.  This team just has made me so happy the past few weeks, starting back when we took 3-4 from the Brew Crew in St. Louis.  So great.
Scott Rolen: "He could cover third base AND shortstop." --Renteria

by Andie203 on Aug 21, 2007 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love
the Bleed Cubbies Bleed thing--makes me LOL everytime someone uses it. My Cubfan friends are so pissed the Birds are still a factor. They can't believe we're still in it, and it makes them very very nervous and paranoid. I'm enjoying every second of it. Even if our boys don't pull the rabbit out of the hat this year, I hope they at least keep the pressure on as long as possible. It's just too much fun.

by rockin redbird on Aug 22, 2007 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pena
served up a slam to Gabe Gross, 7-2 Brewers.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 21, 2007 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've said it before
And I'll say it again--The Cards have to catch the Cubs before they catch the Brewers.  And getting to .500 is a good idea too.  Don't worry about the Brewers.  I don't think they have enough in the tank to see the season thru.

by cloistermaximus on Aug 21, 2007 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't look now
but incredibly enough we are only 5 out of the wildcard.  There are six teams to beat, yes, but surely Rockies, Brewers and Dodgers are vulnerable

This could really get fun.

by CurtFlood on Aug 21, 2007 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

lincecum is NAILS
thru 7: 2H, 5K, 0BB, 72 pitches. that's disgusting.
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Aug 21, 2007 11:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The most beautiful thing about Benitez's Meltdown
Did anyone notice that he was taunting Juan during that at bat?  I could have sworn he was laughing and talking smack in spanish.   If that was the case, that was a pure and beautiful baseball moment.  What an ass.

It's fun to see jerks melt down.  That's the best thing about Zambrano...when he loses his cool and gets hit hard, it's like a big kick in the rear from Karma.

by cloistermaximus on Aug 21, 2007 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

in a (minor) related hoot
the Angels are POUNDING the Yankees

by CurtFlood on Aug 21, 2007 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Dangit
Cubs tie Giants in 9th with 3 straight hits...

by Yellow Dog on Aug 22, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

game tied in sanfran.
lincecum out, cubs threatening. thank god for the lollygag throw.

by ortic jones on Aug 22, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Cubs are about to take the lead
because Tim Lincecum decided to get scared.

by Big Red on Aug 22, 2007 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

The Giants
are not looking good here in the ninth.  Lincecum was good through eight though.  

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 22, 2007 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

lincecum
deserves better...
"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 22, 2007 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh
Cubs comeback almost mirror image of ours.  So if we're going to take this shot in the arm and run with it, then so are the Cubs.  
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 22, 2007 12:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Bottom line:
We can't depend on the Giants to get us back into this thing.  Should have beat the Cubs this past weekend, but got stung in the ass by this team full of punchin' judy hitters.

by Big Red on Aug 22, 2007 12:33 AM EDT reply actions  

And now
the Brewers too, 7-4.  So everything stays the same in the NL Central standings for another day.  Good night all, it is late here in the Eastern time zone.  

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 22, 2007 12:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Question about Yadi
I was at the game and I thought that Yadi picked of the runner on 1st to end the eighth?  Was that after the strikeout and he just threw before the K was called?
Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Aug 22, 2007 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup
Everything that happened after the strike out shall be forever wiped from our memory banks.  Much like the two and a half innings I DID NOT WATCH in Chicago Sunday evening.

I DID NOT walk 12 blocks in the rain (twice).  

I DID NOT sit through a 2 hour rain delay.

The bleacherites DID NOT throw garbage on the field.

None of this happeded.

Ugh, I guess I'm just bitter since the make-up game has been scheduled for a Monday day game and I can't go because non-Cub fans, like myself, actually have jobs.

by Big Red on Aug 22, 2007 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly
Yadi wisely made the pickoff throw without waiting to hear if the strike was called, but it was.

So really we got 4 outs that inning.  Someone on here quipped that the Cards were showin' off.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 22, 2007 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you
for chasing Jason Marquis out of your town and to ours. We wouldn't be where we're at without him.

by CubFan on Aug 22, 2007 4:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Didn't chase him away
He earned every jeer.

by sjoshi on Aug 22, 2007 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thank You
For Lou Brock and Bruce Sutter.

And for giving us so little competetion for divison titles or pennants for the past 62 years.

by Fitz on Aug 22, 2007 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for
'69, 84, 2003
and the inept no-legged clown Ron Santo.

by _pistol_ on Aug 22, 2007 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

you're probably right
and i almost 2nd-guessed it... but his intention was to provoke response.  I decided to oblige.

by _pistol_ on Aug 22, 2007 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice work.
Thanks for embarrassing the rest of us.
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 22, 2007 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Real classy.
But also real typical.

Karma has a way of biting you in the ass.

by CubFan on Aug 22, 2007 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh spare me
the self-righteous bs.  your name is CubFan.  you obviously joined for the sole purpose of being a jerk.  all i'm guilty of is sinking to your level.

by _pistol_ on Aug 23, 2007 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

"wouldn't be where we're at without him"
Nothing against Marquis (really), but I think you may be saying the same thing at the end of the year, but meaning something else entirely

by tdawg on Aug 22, 2007 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

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