ryan's hope AND Game 121 Open Thread: August 20, 2007
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that counts as a win in my book. getting out of having to face zambrano can only be good.
yesterday, for the second time this year, a cardinal minor-league affiliate won after getting no-hit for most of the game. the gcl cardinals did it back on july 7, you may recall, posting a 1-0 victory after getting no-hit for the first 14 innings of the game. yesterday it was quad cities' turn: blake wood, the royals' 3d-round pick in the 2006 draft (out of georgia tech), held the swing hitless for 8 innings and then --- having reached his pitch-count limit, obviously --- was lifted for a relief pitcher. a relief pitcher with a 5.55 era. why the opposing manager chose this particular guy to protect a 1-0 lead is beyond me; the team's saves leader was available (indeed, he eventually entered the game after it was too late). mysterious things happen in the minors sometimes. . . . . the swing's leadoff man, antonio dejesus, drew a leadoff walk and stole second; then daryl jones broke up the no-no and tied the game with a base knock to center. jones took second on the throw home, and the swing spent most of the rest of the inning attempting to bunt. the first one failed; the next moved jones over to 3d; and the last, a suicide squeeze by christian lopez, plated jones and gave the swing a 2-1 lead, which they made stick. they're 5.5 games ahead in the 2d-half standings and are well positioned to become the 2d st louis farm team to quality for the postseason. springfield is already in, having won its first-half title.
speaking of springfield, their win couldn't have been any more different from QC's; they clubbed 20 hits and bludgeoned corpus christi 17-10. colby rasmus (who's been batting leadoff lately) had the only two extra-base hits among the 20, a double and a homer; he and #2 hitter jose martinez combined for 9 hits and a walk in 12 plate appearances. martinez, the 21-year-old shortstop, seems to like the hot weather; he's hitting .370 in august with a .562 slugging percentage. last year at quad cities he warmed up in july, hitting .327 and slugging .514. . . . this guy will probably be at triple A next year and might have a chance to compete for playing time in st louis lineup by 2009.
unless he's blocked by brendan ryan, that is. ryan is even hotter than martinez at the moment, batting .424 over the last 30 days (big leagues only) with a slugging pct of .667. the manager likes him (and why shouldn't he); he already has amassed 79 at-bats and, with kennedy out of action, is sure to get regular playing time the rest of the way. depending on how things go, ryan has a chance to crack the la russa era's top-10 list of rookie-season at-bats.
and more important than that ---- he has a chance to become the cardinals' first homegrown shortstop in 30+ years. the last shortstop to come out of the system and become a long-term starter at the position was garry templeton, who came up in 1976. since then, the cardinal shortstops have all come from other organizations via trade (ozzie smith, royce clayton, edgar renteria) or free agency (david eckstein). since templeton, only four homegrown shortstops have played more than 100 games for st louis: mike ramsey (168 games between 1978 and 1983), placido polanco (121 games, 1998-2002), tim jones (119 games, 1988-93), and tripp cromer (106 games, 1993-95). none of these guys ever started as many as 100 games at short in a single year; they were all just backups. if ryan does get a shot at the full-time job, he'll be the first since luis ordaz, who started 46 games as a rookie in 1998.
for comparison's sake, here's a list of homegrown players at the other nonpitching positions --- ie, guys who game up through the system and became full-time regulars for at least a few seasons:
1b: pujols, john mabry, keith hernandez (who reached the big leagues for good the same year as templeton, 1976)
2b: geronimo pena, alicea, herr, oberkfell
3b: polanco, zeile, pendleton, oberkfell, reitz, hector cruz
of: chris duncan, taguchi, pujols, jd drew, brian jordan, lankford, gilkey, coleman, mcgee, van slyke, david green, dane iorg, jerry mumphrey
a large part of the explanation here lies in the fact that the cardinals' incumbents for most of this period were so good that a prospect had no chance in hell of cracking the lineup; ozzie and edgar held the position for 19 of the last 25 years. since templeton came up in 1976, the cardinals almost always have had one of the best shortstops in the league; of the five primary regulars during that era, four (templeton, ozzie, edgar, and eckstein) were all-stars, two were serial gold glovers, two won silver sluggers, and one was a postseason mvp. the only real opening for a rookie ss came in 1998, at the tail end of the royce clayton era; ordaz and polanco both got reasonably long looks, but the former couldn't hit and the latter couldn't cover the ground at ss. hence the trade for renteria during the ensuing off-season.
a few other shortstops did come out of the cardinal system and go on to become regulars for other teams. rafael santana passed through the st louis sytem (they got him as a double A player from toronto) and got traded to the mets for jose oquendo; he was the starting ss on the great strawberry-gooden teams of the 1980s. jose uribe was sent to san francisco in 1984-85 as part of the package that fetched jack clark and started there for six years, including two division-winning seasons. and of course there's jack wilson, the pirates' everyday ss for the last 6 years. so the pipeline hasn't been entirely dry.
can brendan ryan become the first homegrown ss since templeton? i wrote at length about that possibility at Future Redbirds back in may, and azruavatar updated the picture just last week. he's surely not this good a hitter ---- in 79 at-bats for st louis, he has hit more homers than he did in any full minor-league season --- but his glove is big-league caliber, and he obviously doesn't get intimidated. with that glove, all he needs to supply is .720 ops, and i'm a lot more confident today that he can produce at that level than i was 3 months ago.
and if he doesn't stick, jose martinez and (hopefully) pete kozma will be right behind him to take their shots.
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Late 90's
I am excited about our group right now--Ryan, Hoffpauir, Martinez, and Kozma. Hopefully, Greene can come back healthy and become the best of the bunch
by BluesDrummer85 on Aug 20, 2007 9:49 AM EDT reply actions
Another explaination....
Another factor at play is that many, many SS canidates get moved from the position to either 2B or 3B. Part of the reason is the difficulty of fielding the position, players are moved to an "easier" position, if they cannot handle it.
Tommy Pham
by BluesDrummer85 on Aug 20, 2007 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
Pham
by the red baron on Aug 20, 2007 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
My uneducated guess
Hmmm...
by the red baron on Aug 20, 2007 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Ryan, etc.
If I'm the Cardinals, though, I'm still trying to move some of the veteran contracts around here to acquire a top flight MI prospect. Never a bad idea to hedge your bets.
I think
by BluesDrummer85 on Aug 20, 2007 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
About Yadi
Yadi's average for August is .373 (it's .394 in the last ten games).
Before his wrist injury, his average in May was .297. He gradually improved throughout April and May before he was injured. It took him a month to get going again after his DL for the broken wrist. But even though that's a difficult injury to come back from (hitting wise), he has slowly worked his way to his very respectable .373 avg this month. And he looks much more confident at the plate this year.
I also really hope Ryan is an everyday player next year--not only for the pop in his bat and his offensive stability, but because I think he has a contagious energy this team needs.
by nycardfan on Aug 20, 2007 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm on the energy committee too
I say 'open' because I believe we are pretty well stuck with/pleased with (pick your verb) LF {Dunc} CF {Jimbo} 1b {that big boy whose name I forget} C {yada-yada} and 3b {Rolen}
If change is going to come, and I hope it does, it will be those other three spots. And I would like to see "energy" heavily factored in. And defense.
My early favorites are already in-house -- Ryan at SS; Eckstein moves to 2b; Ank in RF
by CurtFlood on Aug 20, 2007 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a big fan of Anderson....
no kidding
by nybirdgirl on Aug 20, 2007 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy Tripp
by sjoshi on Aug 20, 2007 10:20 AM EDT reply actions
With all due respect to Tony Fossas
He hit like a defensive specialist, and fielded like a relief pitcher.
Weather Watch
The radar looks like the worst stuff is moving through to the south.
From these reports, I would think the chances are good for today. The real problem at this point may be the state of the field. The Cubbies ownership was too cheap to modernize their drainage system.
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 20, 2007 10:27 AM EDT reply actions
It's already so humid
I don't know how well Wrigley's field will shed this much water. In theory, they have one of the worst outfields in baseball. They were gonna redo it either last winter or this winter, but the sale has changed that.
Moving through the south
On Deadspin "Today's A Perfect Day..."
"looks more like three guys pretending to outfight each other for the garter."
I mean, seriously, we need to start whipping the Cubbies and end this farce!...before the Astros and the Reds are back in contention...
i have fully embraced ryan @ ss
That and on a personal note it would keep my father from yelling at the tv: "why don't they move that short guy to 2nd?" and 50 times a game.
I agree--
by rockin redbird on Aug 20, 2007 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I, for one, welcome our new
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
two geezers can't be wrong
by CurtFlood on Aug 20, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Your 2009 Homegrown Cardinals...
1B: Apu
2B: Martinez or Hoffpaur
SS: Ryan or Martinez
3B: Allen Craig or Arnoldi Cruz (I know Rolen will still be here, but i'm assuming he'll have had to get his shoulder amputated by then)
OF: Some mix of Colby Rasmus, Chris Duncan (unless he continues to regress), Rick Ankiel, Antonio DeJesus (this kid has a sick ability to get on base), Daryl Jones (wishful thinking that he could put his tools together), possibly Joe Mather
SP:
- Chris Carpenter (I realize he isn't homegrown)
- Adam Wainwright (same here)
- Anthony Reyes
- Jaime Garcia
- Adam Ottavino
I don't really know, other than Chris Perez for closer.
Wildcards: The heavy hitting first basemen we have in the system who are blocked. Steve Hill, Mark Hamilton, Brandon Buckman.
Obviously, this is all just wishful thinking, as we'll be lucky to even get 2 or 3 of those guys to perform like MLB regulars.
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
i dont understand...
plus if yadi has a .250 avg with .340ish obp then id take him over any other catcher in the league...
Why do you assume they
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 20, 2007 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
and by that you mean...
No,
by the red baron on Aug 20, 2007 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The reports I've read about Anderson
So you're right, they aren't mutually exclusive. But it doesn't seem that Anderson is excellent at both at least this time.
by nycardfan on Aug 20, 2007 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
His defense isn't great.....
He can stick at Catcher, and his defense can be improved. His arm isn't bad, he has had some troubles with blocking balls though.
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
well
b) it appears that not only can Anderson hit, but he can ALSO play really solid defense
I personally enjoy having both of them. That way, if Anderson flops as he moves up, we still have Yadi.
i disagree on his defense...
What?
Also, I'm sorry, but catcher defense is vastly overrated. Even just an average defensive catcher, who is a plus offensively, is worth far more than any glove specialist behind the plate. There just aren't that many things a catcher does defensively to justify the overwhelming emphasis that's placed on it. He blocks balls in the dirt and he throws out runners. While there is value in both of those things, the number of times in a game a catcher is called upon to make a play pales in comparison to the difference he could make with a bat in his hands.
by the red baron on Aug 20, 2007 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
how many catchers...
Also, i can see what you mean (kinda) about overratted definsively but having the confidence of the pitcher not to worry about baserunners and focus on the hitter or not thinking twice about throwing a filthy breaking ball in the dirt with the tying run on third isnt really something you can measure but is as important as any offensive stat, imho.
Also
There's a very quiet revolution going on, and I hope the Cardinals are a big part of it.
by the red baron on Aug 20, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
ill check...
First off...
Kendall sustained it until the most gruesome broken ankle in baseball history robbed him of his durability. LoDuca's been hitting for more than five years, so has Varitek.
Then there's Mauer, Martinez, and McCann, who are going to keep hitting.
After watching the Brewers
by nycardfan on Aug 20, 2007 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I find it interesting that you'd say this
as Ankiel patrols right field for us.
Huh?
by the red baron on Aug 20, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
day game today...
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2007 12:08 PM EDT reply actions
Game isn't until 2:20 ET/1:20 CT
I'm somewhat annoyed at the Cubs for this not being a DH.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
i am and i'm not
am not: the cubs have to travel out to the home of BALCO's favorite client after the game today.
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2007 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
cubs v giants
by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 20, 2007 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Giants and Pirates played a btb
That's 1 game starting at 5:00 and the 2nd at 7:30.
Had the Cubs wanted to, they could have bumped the first game up to a 12:30 CT start time and had the 2nd game 'start' 45 minutes after that one. Remember, we were already in the 3rd inning of yesterday's game. Could have just resumed it.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yes you are right but,
is the weather forecast still as shitty as it was last night?
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2007 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Home Team Descretion??
I suppose the Cubs like their chances better by rescheduling since they used the great Zambino for only three innings.
by Birds on the Bat on Aug 20, 2007 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
the who decides question
Hypothetically... Cubs management may have wanted a DH today, but that could have been nixed by either the Cub players OR Cardinal players. I said hypothetically; I'm sure that was not the case this time.
Also, this late in the season, it is probable that the Commish could step in and over-ride a players veto, or out and out set the date (for a make-up game) himself.
by CurtFlood on Aug 20, 2007 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
and i am somewhat annoyed
by RosevilleRedbird on Aug 20, 2007 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrigleyville
by LilEck on Aug 20, 2007 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
They can tack on another game
Smart on their part
Mulder's current 5 day rotation
Otherwise, he gets 3 more rehab starts and enters the rotation on September 5th @ home vs Pittsburgh.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 12:55 PM EDT reply actions
I vote wait
I'm still one who believes Mulder will not pitch a single inning this year.
by CurtFlood on Aug 20, 2007 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Rasmus is having some kind of August
OBP = .522
Slug% = .830
OPS = 1.352
BB/K = 12/6
He's definitely proving to be a very streaky player, similar to Edmonds, but when he gets hot.. Damn...
That BB/K ratio is by far the best ratio he's had in any month this year, leads me to believe he is really seeing the ball well.
I think he's still on track to be here by 2009, anyone disagree?
Yea...
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Lineup
Ankiel LF
Pujols 1b
Encarnacion RF
Rolen 3b
Edmonds CF
Molina C
Pineiro P
Eckstein ss
by the red baron on Aug 20, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Cubbie Cam
Pujols Rankings (8/20)
- Ranks 8th in NL in BA (.321)
- Ranks 5th in NL in HR (27)
- Ranks 10th in NL in RBI (79)
- Ranks 5th in NL in BB (75)
- Ranks 2nd in NL in OBP (.423)
- Ranks 8th in NL in SLG (.564)
- Ranks 6th in NL in OPS (.987)
10 RBIs behind Miguel Cabrera
10 BA pts behind Chipper Jones
17 SLG pts behind Chase Utley
Tied with Prince Fielder in OPS
Comparing him to the widely touted NL MVP candidate, Prince Fielder:
Pujols Fielder
BA .321(8th) .284 (36th)
HR 27 (5th) 38 (1st)
RBI 79 (10th) 92 (4th)
R 77 (12th) 82 (6th)
BB 75 (5th) 59 (17th)
OBP .423 (2nd) .379 (20th)
SLG .564 (8th) .609 (1st)
OPS .987 (6th) .987 (5th)
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
Fielder can't be the fave any more....
Right now, i'd say the top 5 candidates for NL MVP are (in no particular order), if we are going by #'s and not team position:
- Pujols
- A. Ramirez
- H. Ramirez (What a season he is having, Jose Reyes who?)
- Jake Peavy
- Matt Holliday
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter.
I take your insistence on well rounded players as further proof of your lack of baseball knowledge.
by the red baron on Aug 20, 2007 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah..
HR
HR
RBI
HR
RBI
team record / team rank
HR
OPS
HR
by redbird2006in on Aug 20, 2007 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
In all honesty
- In the Cardinals final 11 games of August, hit 5 HRs and drive in 13 RBIs. (Season totals: 32 HRs/ 92 RBIs).
- In September, the Cardinals will play 31 games. A lot of opportunity there to add to the counting stats. Pujols had the best September of his career last year (10 HRs/28 RBIs). Traditionally, he hasn't be amazing in that month. With all the extra games, he needs to be certain to reach the 40+ HR marka and the 110+ RBI mark.
- The Cardinals need to make the playoffs. I know, Ryan Howard's Phillies didn't, but for Pujols to put away the likes of Ramirez and Fielder/Braun, HIS team needs to make the playoffs.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Jose Martinez
by Dexter Westbrook on Aug 20, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
Flipping Daryl Ward and Jacque Jones
Either of those balls don't sneak over the wall and we are looking at a sweep the other way.
Freakin' Cubs.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions
And furthermore
I hope we beat their heads in today.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm sensing pent up anger ;)
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just when you stop and think about it
"Come on now, they're the f$($%$(**% Cubs for chrissake!"
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Today is so huge
this is pathetic....
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
this is pathetic
I'm so sick of this
Are you kidding me with this shit?
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2007 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
Scotty Rooooooooooo!!!
ATTABOY, SCOTTY!
good job Rolen
by Hammondsbird on Aug 20, 2007 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
Cortisone shots for everyone!
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 20, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply actions
did JEd hit the ball hard?
Yeah.
by the red baron on Aug 20, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Brendan Ryan
If we can't run on Jason Kendall with our fast players, then we plain old can't steal.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
we are last in the league
by CurtFlood on Aug 20, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Eat it,The Riot
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
way to go ankiel
by Hammondsbird on Aug 20, 2007 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
I'm only gamedaying it...
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
Ankiel lept into the Ivy
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
ankiel
good think Theriot, good thinking.
classic...
the best there ever was, in this game
Shannon called that one as a no doubt HR as soon
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2007 2:38 PM EDT reply actions
Was it like...
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 20, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, basically -
I like it a lot better when the other team's no doubt home runs stay in the park than when ours do....
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet mercy that kid's got a cannon
Cards think Cubs are stealing signs
That might explain something.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 2:40 PM EDT reply actions
i don't know what...
tony's paranoid.
They said this
Almost every team in baseball
CF Edmonds
LF Ludwick
RF Ankiel
1B Pujols
2B Kennedy
SS Ryan
3B Rolen
C Molina
P Wainwright
Yeah, that's a pretty good defensive team.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
a lot
I will admit that I think our defense is underrated though. ESPN etc. always says it's very below average, but when we've got Yadi, Rolen, Pujols, and Ryan starting, that's a beautiful infield.
Our outfield could use work, though. . .
'04 cards were pretty good
Colorado and Atlanta, for two
(( just my opinion ))
but I for one, concede your general point.
by CurtFlood on Aug 20, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
nope.
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What happened to the Eckstein...
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
Subject
Nice plan,
New Rule: If Ted Lilly throws that shitty curve
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
Cairo
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 20, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Brian Barden
Daryl Ward, again?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
Seriously....Daryle ward?
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
daryl freakin ward AGAIN?!?!?!?!
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2007 2:55 PM EDT reply actions
mark freakin' derosa.
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2007 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
don't say that.
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2007 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Is the Jo-el run of dominance over?
i hate gameday.
That was good stuff
by hannah_in_va on Aug 20, 2007 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Signs
by paCardsFan on Aug 20, 2007 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
those pitches were pretty meaty
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
where's big red and the other chicago people?
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
I think that regardless
Oquendo is bassackwards
Pujols would have scored easy, unless he tripped on a beer can.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
i sense a crazy like 10-8 game.
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 20, 2007 3:10 PM EDT reply actions
That may be the weakest double I've ever
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:10 PM EDT reply actions
Scotty is on fire!
If the ball did what gameday says
but that will do
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 20, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Now...no one remind Joel Pineiro....
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 3:13 PM EDT reply actions
Better take that 1st strike, Joel
Bah.
Man
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 20, 2007 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, he gave it a ride
I thought it would be too
Then again, the last 3 years there have been alot of balls that USED to be HRs. Hmmm..
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
they just intentionally walked
Could we have warmed up WonderBrad and sent up a pinch hitter?
Huh?
Not if you've been watching Joel Pineiro
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
As someone said earlier: "Look out below
As I say that, Murton singles to RF. Get Babyface up!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
A little early for hittin' the sauce, isn't it?
Murton?
Lilly has an ERA near 6 for August
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, Theriot...
Wanna get the bullpen up NOW
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
OK, I'm convinced
I guess we better warm up WonderBrad.
You're gonna let him bat twice?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he would have
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
No kidding
Joel P doesn't got it today
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
Thank god.
Based on what we've seen from Jo-el so far
by jeff abs on Aug 20, 2007 3:29 PM EDT reply actions
i hope we bat around
Bunt for base hit attempt
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Rick needs to take those pitches to left
If the best defensive 1B
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 20, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay
It didn't touch the ground until it was behind
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Pineiro still getting knocked around
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions
Here comes the rain
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Whew.
with a one run lead
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 20, 2007 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Now with a two run lead
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 20, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Any action in OUR pen?
PUUUUUU!!!!
If only people could get on base for Albert
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
That begs the question -
Seems like most of them.
by Urban Pawnee on Aug 20, 2007 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
lately a ton of them...
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
10 of his 12 post ASG HRs
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Something about the Sun and a Rooster
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions
Scotty is da man.
Think Rolen might try to steal off Kendall?
What's the weather like there?
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions
That's better
C'mon Yadi...
Ask and you shall...not receive.
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't blame Yadi for that one
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 20, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Pinch-hit
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 20, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions
Please don't walk the damn pitcher
Thank you.
Jeez,
Why did Ted Lilly bat for himself?
You need runs, the rain is coming and you let your pitcher who is getting TAGGED hit for himself?
May Ludwick crush him to leadoff next inning.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Nevermind
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe...
wouldn't that make it "mooran?
http://www.dannemann.org.uk/images/morans.jpg
man...
Classic pic
by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 20, 2007 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I can relate, lordsummer
But... their new park is cute and efficient; and I, for one, appreciate Grande and Welsh.
but NOT Thommie-boy.
by CurtFlood on Aug 20, 2007 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Eckstein's defense is putrid
Can we end this farce and move Ryan over to SS?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions
Sweet...OFFICIAL GAME!
there we go......
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
that quick inning means
by jeff abs on Aug 20, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions
it was a clever ploy by the Cubs...
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't So be a better PH over Ludwick...
Great job by Joel
Eckstein freaking SUCKS
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions
he's a terrible baseball player
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
but he hustles and has grit
by jeff abs on Aug 20, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
In case you've forgotten
Some people are never satisfied.
So?
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
by jeff abs on Aug 20, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He's won 2 WS championships
You got me by nine seconds...
The MVP was Rolen...
It was Rolen's award
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
you turn on players so fast
What's the purpose of venting uncontrollably here?
when did I turn on Rolen?
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's not turn on our guys
by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 20, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Cmon, Brendan...
Tough AB by Ryan
Great at bat B-Ry
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
getting off the juice will do that.
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, not to sound mean or anything
by hannah_in_va on Aug 20, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Leo, eh?
by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 20, 2007 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that was fast.
Was that...
Not a good idea.
Boom
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
Lee is a beast...
It appears that
But hey, whatever. As good as Percival is, he's not going to strike everyone out every time. Even Johan Santana gives up homers every once in a while.
DFA Eckstein
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions
Confused
By about 4 feet
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, Tony REALLY needs to move Eck to 2nd
Ryan already took his leadoff spot (thank god), let's hope he soon takes the SS position, as well.
Thank goodness we are using Flores now
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions
See what I mean?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Flores just throw 1 pitch
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
That was
But Ramirez sucks at impersonations. He totally hustled down the line that time.
By the way
surprisingly enough
by CurtFlood on Aug 20, 2007 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh, three pitchers in one inning
Hey, look...
I mean, what are the odds?
How many innings is Franklin going to pitch
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
if I had to guess
Remember when Kendal wasn't a good hitter?
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions
Makes no sense to me.
Don't tell me we are going to Izzy for a 2 inning save...
Still have Springer
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
we needed to get out of the jam
I really LIKE this use of Franklin
Worry about the 8th if you get there, and hope Franklin gets you there with your lead still intact.
I like the move
by CardFaninVA on Aug 20, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The real DEAL
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
SWEET MERCY!
Wood is a rightie
He didn't hit it off of Wood
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wood came in for Albert
by hannah_in_va on Aug 20, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The Cubbies apparently...
So now what is the scouting report on Rick?
I'd assume high heat is about all ya got left.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
we don't like them
wow...
Pujols almost took that opposite field
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
I wonder....
He's looked at 460 out of 523...
That's 12%. The league average is 28%, and Albert used to be in that neighborhood. I wish someone would ask him why he's overhauled his approach. In any case, it hasn't affected the results much.
WOW...
I've been keeping track all year...
Actually it's at baseballreference.com - pitch summary data show or hide (under Special Batting). You'll also need the glossary.
These guys are HACKIN'
Rain delay
by CardFaninVA on Aug 20, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions
I would gladly trade that statistic
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 20, 2007 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
If we have to make-up
If we have to finish the game later they'll
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Confusing rules
But: it looks like if the game is called and ruled a regulation game, it would have officially ended at the conclusion of the sixth—Ankiel's homer wouldn't count (conversely, Pigtails might breathe a sigh of relief) but the Cardinals would hoist a red W for the Wiese company with a 5-4 score. If it's suspended, the game would resume before that makeup-game for yesterday after 6 1/2 innings with the Cards up 6-4 and Ankiel's homer would be official once that game was played.
My reading of the rules is that the game will be called if it can't be resumed.
But an interesting scenario: with this wacky umpire crew, they might suspend the game. Suppose they reschedule yesterday's game for October 1st. In the event that the Cardinals and Cubs are within a game entering October, it would necessary to conclude the suspended game and possibly the make-up game, too. We could add two wins the day after the season ended, in other words.
I think I'd call in sick that day.
Sure they can
Official Rulebook
(a) A regulation game consists of nine innings, unless extended because of a tie score, or shortened (1) because the home team needs none of its half of the ninth inning or only a fraction of it, or (2) because the umpire calls the game. EXCEPTION: National Association leagues may adopt a rule providing that one or both games of a doubleheader shall be seven innings in length. In such games, any of these rules applying to the ninth inning shall apply to the seventh inning.
(b) If the score is tied after nine completed innings play shall continue until (1) the visiting team has scored more total runs than the home team at the end of a completed inning, or (2) the home team scores the winning run in an uncompleted inning.
(c) If a game is called, it is a regulation game:
(1) If five innings have been completed;
(2) If the home team has scored more runs in four or four and a fraction half-innings than the visiting team has scored in five completed half-innings;
(3) If the home team scores one or more runs in its half of the fifth inning to tie the score.
(d) If a regulation game is called with the score tied, it shall become a suspended game. See Rule 4.12.
(e) If a game is called before it has become a regulation game, the umpire shall declare it "No Game."
(f) Rain checks will not be honored for any regulation or suspended game which has progressed to or beyond a point of play described in 4.10(c)
So according to this (from MLB.COM) it's only "suspended" if the game is tied.
So as I see it, this game is official. I don't think the top of the 7th will count (Rick's HR), since it references the last "completed" inning.
Rick's homer
Good question...
That's what Rooney was saying on the radio
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
I think some of the rules are new for this year, but I remember a Yankees-Orioles game that was postponed in the 8th a couple weeks ago. It was suspended rather than called because one team had come back and taken the lead since the end of the previous inning.
by CardFaninVA on Aug 20, 2007 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yes they can
by jeff abs on Aug 20, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Rick knows he did it.
But starting his career so late
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
He needs it a helluva a lot more if he's going
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
There are 2 possibilities now
or
It's just a run of the mill rain delay, and the game picks up where it left off in an hour or so.
Right now that second option is looking very likely based on what I see on weather.com
by redbird2006in on Aug 20, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
No
by CardFaninVA on Aug 20, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Suspended games...
OK, I'm wrong...
4.12
SUSPENDED GAMES.
(a) A game shall become a suspended game that must be completed at a future date if the game is terminated for any of the following reasons:
(1) A curfew imposed by law;
(2) A time limit permissible under league rules;
(3) Light failure or malfunction of a mechanical field device under control of the home club. (Mechanical field device shall include automatic tarpaulin or water removal equipment);
(4) Darkness, when a law prevents the lights from being turned on;
(5) Weather, if a regulation game is called while an inning is in progress and before the inning is completed, and the visiting team has scored one or more runs to take the lead, and the home team has not retaken the lead; or
(6) It is a regulation game that is called with the score tied. National Association Leagues may also adopt the following rules for suspended games. (If adopted by a National Association League, Rule 4.10(e) would not apply to their games.):
(7) The game has not become a regulation game (41/2 innings with the home team ahead, or 5 innings with the visiting club ahead or tied).
(8) If a game is suspended before it becomes a regulation game, and is continued prior to another regularly scheduled game, the regularly scheduled game with be limited to seven innings.
(9) If a game is suspended after it is a regulation game, and is continued prior to another regularly scheduled game, the regularly scheduled game will be a nine inning game.
EXCEPTION: Optional Rules 4.12(a)(7), 4.12(a)(8) and 4.12(a)(9) for National Association Leagues will not apply to the last scheduled game between the two teams during the championship season or league playoffs.
No game called because of a curfew (Rule 4.12(a)(1)), weather (Rule 4.12(a)(5)), a time limit (Rule 4.12(a)(2)) or with a tied score (Rule 4.12(a)(6)) shall be a suspended game unless it has progressed far enough to have been a regulation game pursuant to Rule 4.10(c). A game called pursuant to Rules 4.12(a)(3) or 4.12(a)(4) shall be a suspended game at any time after it starts.
NOTE: Weather and similar conditions--Rules 4.12(a)(1) through 4.12(a)(5)--shall take precedence in determining whether a called game shall be a suspended game. If a game is halted by weather, and subsequent light failure or an intervening curfew or time limit prevents its resumption, the game shall not be a suspended game. If a game is halted by light failure, and weather or field conditions prevent its resumption, the game shall not be a suspended game. A game can only be considered a suspended game if stopped for any of the six reasons specified in Rule 4.12(a).
(b) A suspended game shall be resumed and completed as follows:
(1) Immediately preceding the next scheduled single game between the two clubs on the same grounds; or
(2) Immediately preceding the next scheduled doubleheader between the two clubs on the same grounds, if no single game remains on the schedule; or
(3) If suspended on the last scheduled date between the two clubs in that city, transferred and played on the grounds of the opposing club, if possible;
(i) Immediately preceding the next scheduled single game, or
(ii) Immediately preceding the next scheduled doubleheader, if no single game remains on the schedule.
(4) Any suspended game not completed prior to the last scheduled game between the two teams during the championship season shall become a called game. If such game becomes a called game and
(i) has progressed far enough to become a regulation game, and one team is ahead, the team that is ahead shall be declared the winner;
(ii) has progressed far enough to become a regulation game, and the score is tied, the game shall be declared a "tie game." A tie game is to be replayed in its entirety, unless the league president determines that playing the rescheduled game is not necessary to affect the league championship; or
(iii)has not progressed far enough to become a regulation game, the game shall be declared "No Game." In such case, the game is to be replayed in its entirety, unless the league president determines that playing the rescheduled game is not necessary to affect the league championship.
(c) A suspended game shall be resumed at the exact point of suspension of the original game. The completion of a suspended game is a continuation of the original game. The lineup and batting order of both teams shall be exactly the same as the lineup and batting order at the moment of suspension, subject to the rules governing substitution. Any player may be replaced by a player who had not been in the game prior to the suspension. No player removed before the suspension may be returned to the lineup.
A player who was not with the club when the game was suspended may be used as a substitute, even if he has taken the place of a player no longer with the club who would not have been eligible because he had been removed from the lineup before the game was suspended.
Rule 4.12(c) Comment: If immediately prior to the call of a suspended game, a substitute pitcher has been announced but has not retired the side or pitched until the batter becomes a baserunner, such pitcher, when the suspended game is later resumed may, but is not required to start the resumed portion of the game. However, if he does not start he will be considered as having been substituted for and may not be used in that game.
(d) Rain checks will not be honored for any regulation or suspended game that has progressed to or beyond a point of play described in Rule 4.10(c).
However, per 4.12(a)(5), I don't think this game can be suspended.
I disagree
"and the visiting team has scored one or more runs to take the lead"
We already had the lead at the end of the sixth. If we had been losing and Rick homer gave us the lead, that would be a different story. But since we already had the lead at the end of the 6th, that run should just be negated and the game called at the end of the completed 6th inning.
by birds 4 life on Aug 20, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's exactly what Mr. Clean is saying -
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2007 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoops
by birds 4 life on Aug 20, 2007 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what happens
by birds 4 life on Aug 20, 2007 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
So what are the chances of actually finishing this
http://www.wunderground.com/radar/mixedcomposite.asp?region=a4&size=2x&ID=LOT19
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
bigger issue
I'd say
I'm hoping it gets called. We could use a break for once in this series...
Whether it's delayed or called
Hey Mike
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
First Billy
by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 20, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
TLR in the Clutch
slippery slope
however, the knowledge of the distinct advantage that hindsight gives needs to be thoroughly recognized in a critique of a decision, in my view. the idea that somehow la russa could have possessed the soothsaying ability to discern that percival, a capable major league pitcher, would have thrown a ball in such a manner as it make it likely lee would hit a home run is preposterous; in fact, it was a quite unlikely outcome, by any measure. if soothsaying is a requirement for managerial positions, then sign up miss cleo.
again, the key is moderation in one's praises and criticisms; may we all stay in positions where our every decision is not minutely dissected by those with the advantage of knowing what the future held.
Or maybe not
- Pinero had several hard hit balls against him. He was staying afloat but not dominating. If he had been left in and givin up the lead people would have wanted to lynch LaRussa for leaving him in.
- Ever think that maybe he thought a rain delay was coming and so managed aggresivley to hold the lead?
- The substitutions made put people in position to succed. Some fo the players came through (Franklin), some did not - I guess Ludwick and Percival in this case but over the course of a season I like both moves. Ludwick has had some good hits for us and Percival has been solid. Its not like D-Lee is a perenial bench warmer.
- The White Rat is right were he should be. At home, retired. LaRussa winning percentage with Cards - .545 Rat - .530
I pretty much agree with...
Pineiro was getting hammered. We were very lucky that some of them found some gloves, otherwise it would be the Cubs with the lead right now. Quality start streak be damned, Joel really needed to come out after the 5th, especially with him leading off the inning.
I probably would have pitch-hit So to lead off against the lefty instead of Ludwick, but that's mostly a toss-up.
Percival's first pitch to DLee was clearly a mistake. Can't blame Tony for that...Percival has performed well overall.
I can see your point about Flores since he's the rare LOOGY that can't seem to get lefties out, but thank god Tony didn't decide to leave him in there for MORE batters, right? He came out right away with the hook.
I don't really see where you are getting this "pressure" slant from. These kinds of moves are classic Tony...even when we were 10 games out, he LOVES his matchups.
Your parting shot about the White Rat is pretty revealing, and shows that it probably doesn't matter what Tony did this game, you would have tried to find fault with it, baseless or not.
Oh, and in case you didn't notice, we're WINNING this game right now...
"can't handle the pressure"
Is the idea that a man who was managed countless World Series,league championship, and stretch-run games just sort of freaked out at the idea of protecting a slim lead in an August game, and that the freak-out led him to, for example, use a LOOGY to try to get one out from a left-handed batter?
in Juan's defense...
It hit him in the glove
And it was Daryl Ward running.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
A little light reading for the rain delay
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2007 5:22 PM EDT reply actions
Nice read
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
My Retort
Dude
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 20, 2007 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Lenny and Bob said the same thing
Settles in? It was almost like they were saying "Aw Shucks, now we can't light him up"
All those flat fastballs and changeups that Pineiro was throwing against the Brewers that they weren't abusing? Yeah, the Cubs were driving them all over the place.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm always happy...
Even though it didn't work out, I definitely like bringing Percival in to face the meat of the Cubs' order instead of leaving Pineiro in for a 3rd trip through.
uh
Plus I would bet my bottom dollar that if Pinero had givin up the lead you'd be screaming from the rafters about what an idiot LaRussa was for not taking him out and bringing in our rock solid bullpen.
And I don't think you answered any of the counter points made with factual information of your own.
A Little Over the Top Perhaps?
by Vinegar Bend on Aug 20, 2007 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Unlike
Oh, this irony is going down smooth tonight.
Au Contraire
Obviously TLR had a plan. Only problem is, who closes tomorrow?
by Vinegar Bend on Aug 20, 2007 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Jason Isringhausen
(Also, I was responding to your "over the top" line as the ironic part. I hate spelling these things out.)
reconsidering
Before last year, I at least understood why some people didn't give him the respect I felt he deserved - because he hadn't won a WS with us. I though that was a short sighted and cheap critiscm, seeing how he managed in the wild card era with us, how he always got us past the first round (sans that feaking bloop hit), how he managed to guide us through a death on the Cardinal team and keep us in contention (wait now he's done that twice...ho hum). Do you ever look around baseball and watch talented teams crumble in the face of adversity? You see it all the time. But you don't see it on the teams Tony manages. And now the championship argument is not valid anymore, and I'd like people to let Herzog stay retired and appreciate what Tony has done for baseball in St. Louis. I guess only in baseball heaven can a sizeable segment of fans be unhappy with a guy who has won a world series, 2 NL pennents, and 7 division titles.
You should
Certainly
by the red baron on Aug 21, 2007 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Franklin
Anyone else watching
I feel like these bloopers are from the 60s.
OnDemand better pick this thing back up
Let us know when the game comes back on, locals.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 5:45 PM EDT reply actions
Game is supposed to restart at
*corrected.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Which makes..
Hey Man
by Vinegar Bend on Aug 21, 2007 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
wow
-----------------
I keep telling you people
I'm telling you. No Cardinal fan has said anything worth listening to.
Ever. In the history of mankind.
by lancaster99 on Monday, August 20, 2007 at 4:17 PM CT
[ Parent ]
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i guess that's what 99 years of failure will do to you.
there have also been numerous comments referring to most/all cards fans as stupid/arrogant, based on discussions in the p-d forums. which is sort of like making judgments about the quality of a school by spending half an hour in the special ed class.
Theriot-Fontenot-Jacque...
Small Bears =
Hey now-
by matt reeder on Aug 20, 2007 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
viva le bartman!
solid work from frankenberry
2 innings for izzy?
I might give it a try...
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 20, 2007 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It usually works for 4 batters
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
using your best bullpen pitcher
by jeff abs on Aug 20, 2007 6:09 PM EDT reply actions
do we know for sure
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 20, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Izzy
Yep.
by glennrwordman on Aug 20, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Signature aside...
I suppose we might miss him when he goes...
batting the pitcher 8th?
by redbird2006in on Aug 20, 2007 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Well,
Many American League teams essentially follow this logic by putting a better hitter 9th than 8th... I also respect LaRussa for having the stones to do it and not caring about what people say.
ball 1
by jeff abs on Aug 20, 2007 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure that was the call,
by jeff abs on Aug 20, 2007 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Boom!
by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 20, 2007 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
mortgage people?
The arm strength on that 5-4-3
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 6:18 PM EDT reply actions
The walk and the soft single...
Huh, that's interesting.
Position Switches
One other quirk of the position shift rules are that if a DH in the AL comes into a game later as a position player, the pitcher has to bat in the DH spot the rest of the game (subject, of course, to pinch-hitting if the pitcher is taken out of the game).
Wuertz kind of stinks
Time has no meaning
Dat's a weiner!
And...
yeah, seriously
Yes!
i'll take a 4-2 road trip...
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That last one...
very close....
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Fox for Wuertz
"Ankiel on the track--he has it--and the Redbirds win this one 6-4, as Izzy sets them down 1-2-3 in the 9th!" --Mike
Fox and "Pigtails" called up Aug. 14:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Ag8iuZ1wBiaoLU2lGqr3_.eFCLcF?slug=ap-cubsmoves&prov=ap& ;type=lgns
Fox now batting .200. :-)
by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 20, 2007 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Edge of warning track
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
in odd moves of the day
Well done!
oops
by thatsawinner on Aug 20, 2007 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd be there with you...
congrats!
by thatsawinner on Aug 20, 2007 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ditto
being a bit bored
Work safe, surprisingly.
apparently I need to go to an I Cubs game....
Name him Ricky Perhaps????
Scott on "Star of the Game"
"With all due respect to the Friendly Confines, it doesn't matter if it rains on the infield here."
by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 20, 2007 6:48 PM EDT reply actions
Adam Ottavino...
by TriplePlay on Aug 20, 2007 6:49 PM EDT reply actions
me too!
It's amazing to think how good this offense
If he was hitting, to go along with Pujols and Ankiel, the Cards wouldn't mind Rolen's doubles and Edmonds moving runners over.
We need 1 more power bat to get hot, whether it be Rolen, Edmonds, Duncan, Encarnacion, Ludwick...whatever, and the Cards could slug their way to a 2 game lead.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 20, 2007 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
Cubs and Brewers now have to go out West to play
(I hope this doesn't jinx them; they got hot right after I pretty much gave up on the season.)
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2007 7:06 PM EDT reply actions
Ugh... Milwaukee up 9-0 in the 4th against Arizona
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 20, 2007 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
I predict a three way tie at the end; or maybe a
Ankiel
It wasn't a close play
In any case, the ball bounded back towards the infield. Rick runs, picks it up with the bare hand, and fires it to third. A perfect, one-hop strike into Rolen's glove. Rolen puts his glove down as the guy begins his slide, and the runner just slid headfirst into the glove, with his left hand touching the glove first.
Link to video:
by Dexter Westbrook on Aug 21, 2007 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i always get excited when i see keith hernandez...
i'm keith hernandez -> http://imkeithhernandez.com
by themayor on Aug 21, 2007 10:07 AM EDT reply actions





















