Game 119 Open Thread: August 17, 2007
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good stuff from scott rolen in bernie's column today. he nakedly admits that the cards' morale stunk after the 1-5 trip to pittsburgh and washington, and that the people who wrote the team off at that point had every reason to do so. and then he adds:
Don't try to figure this game out.
and where the cubs are concerned? they gave up trying to figure the game out decades ago. their 2007 campaign has been at least as illogical as the cardinals' --- indeed, at a superficial level the two teams' seasons have a lot in common. chicago reached the same low point as st louis --- 9 games under --- and were left for dead by many of their fans. then they made a few lineup changes --- dumped some unproductive veterans (mike barrett and jacque jones), called up the centerfield phenom from triple A (felix pie), and started giving lots of at-bats to no-great-shakes prospects like mike fontenot and ryan theriot and angel pagan. above all, they shoved aside the washed-up veteran relievers who were costing them games --- guys like eyre and ohman --- and assigned their roles to youngsters like carlos marmol. they went with the kids, is the point i'm trying to make --- and, like the cardinals, they started getting better results.
the major difference here --- and it pretty much wrecks the whole analogy --- is that the cubs were never as bad as their record suggested. even when they were 9 games under they had scored more runs than they'd allowed; they simply had lost a lot of close games due to inept bullpenning. all the stat geeks predicted the cubs would bounce back from the slow start and get themselves into the race (something nobody predicted for the cardinals), and they were right. chicago's offense, while never great, has been solidly average all year, and its rotation has been healthy and consistent. after the zambrano-barrett dugout bout on june 1 and piniella's subsequent tantrum, the cubs played outstanding baseball for two months --- a 35-18 record (.660) between june 3 and august 1. the last win of that stretch pulled the cubs into a tie for first place --- whereupon they proceeded to go 4-10 and get outscored 69-87, bringing us right up to the present. their pitching staff, among the top 3 in the league all season, has hit its raggedest patch in the last two weeks, posting a 6.09 era. while the cardinal rotation has been reeling off all those quality starts --- 9 in a row and counting --- the cubs have received just 4 q.s. all month (two from lilly, one from hill, one from marquis). in two starts since leaving his august 3 start vs the mets with heat cramps, zambrano has been pummeled for 21 hits and 13 runs in 12+ innings. sean marshall, the cubs' scheduled starting pitcher tomorrow, has a 10.38 era in 3 august starts.
like rolen says, don't try to figure this game out.
the cubs will throw three left-handed pitchers at st louis this weekend, including two (hill and marshall) the cardinals have not faced this year. here's how the cardinal outfielders perform vs left-handers:
2007
| ab | avg | obp | slg | ops | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| taguchi | 120 | .325 | .382 | .392 | .773 |
| encarnacion | 92 | .304 | .343 | .391 | .735 |
| ludwick | 86 | .221 | .295 | .419 | .713 |
| duncan | 71 | .225 | .309 | .338 | .647 |
| edmonds | 92 | .196 | .286 | .268 | .554 |
in the big leagues, ankiel has 2 hits and 3 strikeouts in 7 at-bats vs left-handers. in the minors, his line vs them this year was .278 / .313 / .602.
CAREER
| ab | avg | obp | slg | ops | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| edmonds | 1670 | .256 | .337 | .439 | .776 |
| encarnacion | 1118 | .275 | .326 | .430 | .756 |
| taguchi | 564 | .289 | .338 | .399 | .737 |
| ludwick | 220 | .209 | .278 | .441 | .719 |
| duncan | 120 | .217 | .286 | .375 | .661 |
encarnacion says he is good to go; he's ready to play. how does it make sense to keep him on the bench? which three outfielders ought to be starting ahead of him? there's no case at all for edmonds, who simply can't hit lefties anymore --- his cumulative line vs them over the last two seasons is .171 / .231 / .276. nor can you make a good case for duncan, who a) has never established that he can hit left-handers consistently, and b) is having a tough 2d half (.232 / .333 / .439 since the all-star break). if encarnacion sits again, that leaves an outfield of ludwick / taguchi / ankiel . . . . i realize that encarnacion is no hall-of-famer, but he's good enough to crack that outfield. he's one of the best three. la russa has made his point --- if encarnacion does get in there, he's going to play hard. he knows his job is on the line.
be interesting to see how tony plays it.
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Speaking of whom, any word on Jimmy's nerve/back condition today?
by Alxfritz on Aug 17, 2007 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick, Juan, Slick Rick
Unfortunately, Guch will be in center and Rick will be in right. You can put it in the bank.
by silent_bob on Aug 17, 2007 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leach on O,YNaG
by Just Rope Ball on Aug 17, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure...
I hope we smash the two youngsters, because Vs the Cubs for sure our starters will have much more trouble than Vs Padres/Dodgers/Brewers.
GO CARDS!!!
by SuperSeve on Aug 17, 2007 8:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hill
by paCardsFan on Aug 17, 2007 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lefties .193 righties .247
L .219
R .239
by outraged on Aug 17, 2007 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no doubt in my mind that Encarnacion
by outraged on Aug 17, 2007 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How can you be so sure - did you see Tony's
"I really liked the way he swung (Wednesday) in batting practice, but I know his comment is that he's still limited," he said. "When you've got healthy guys available ... that's what the bus ride's for."
What the hell - "his comment is that he's still limited" - what??! He says he's OK, ready to go!? Jimmy has made comments that he's 'limited' too; claiming he felt dead
Dead, I tell you! Juan's comments have never approximated that level...
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone knows this isn't a matter of health
by outraged on Aug 17, 2007 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you're assuming
I think there is so much going on that we don't know about, that anything can happen.
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan is 3-6 vs. Hill lifetime
by Wahoo on Aug 17, 2007 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In addition...
Juan has simply GOT to start today against the lefty.
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mind games
by googs77 on Aug 17, 2007 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few thoughts
Not so sure what to think about the Cards play over the past two weeks. I have/ had left them for dead and now they are at least making the race close again. With this in mind, they face off against the Cubs in a huge series. Given that I think the Cubs are the better team on paper (better than either the Cards or the Brewers), I think a series split would be a fine outcome. Sure 3 out of 4 would be better ( and a sign that the Cards might sustain their current level of play), but a split would be fine with me too.
by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I swear to God if he gives up a triple
by sdrone on Aug 17, 2007 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
telling my cubs friends the same thing.
by pesoto74 on Aug 17, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano is reupping today
by Alxfritz on Aug 17, 2007 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny
by gonzostl on Aug 17, 2007 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Record vs. LH starters is 21-20
Its too bad we don't have Mulder healthy and pitching well, since the Cubs are 11-19 vs. LH starters and 50-40 vs. RH starters.
by Wahoo on Aug 17, 2007 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice Quote
I'm glad I'm going to the beach on Saturday. Waiting around for Fox to break into the Yankees-Tigers game with a Cards-Cubs update would drive me crazy.
by nybirdgirl on Aug 17, 2007 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta agree
Baseball is somewhat predictable over the long haul (season-to-season), but it's played in Extremely Small Sample Sizes... one pitch at a time!
I think Tony will make out his lineup card based on what Edmonds tells TLR about his back, and based on what "vibes" Tony gets from Juancion. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lud, Ankiel, and Encarnacion from LF to RF today.
Go get 'em, (Gashouse) Gang! [big grin]
by The Ol Goaler on Aug 17, 2007 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jacque Jones?
by heyzeus on Aug 17, 2007 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They dumped him to Florida
Without him, they'd probably be 5 games out right now.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they also stopped playing him
by lboros on Aug 17, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that too.
by birdjam on Aug 17, 2007 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always felt good...
Now Jones is the only one left of that core, and my smiles have greatly waned. About the only thing I have left is Aramis' defense.
by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey gang
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/16/AR2007081601687.html
You may need a free subscription. I can post the text of the article if people are interested and that's within the rules and regulations here.
On another note: I signed up a few days ago to respond to someone's post talking about being at a game in Pittsburgh and watching the Cardinals on the scoreboard... I was at a Blues playoff game as they swept the Hawks in 2002 (I think), and I watched the tiny Cardinals score in the upper corner of the arena as they played an early season game in New York at least as much as I watched the hockey game in front of me... some of us are just obsessed, I guess. We lost a lead in the 8th that night... must have brought in Veres :)
by ahunter on Aug 17, 2007 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was me
They had the Giants/Atlanta game underneath the Cardinals/Brewers game on the scoreboard and sometimes I'd look at the wrong one.
Atleast 3 times I said "4 to 2 now? Damnit Wells, way to give one back!"
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my two favorite parts of bernie's column
1) his authentically humble eating of crow for his suggestion to shut rolen down.
and
2) this exhange with rolen in reference to his revival with the bat:
Interestingly enough, when I joked with Rolen, I expected him to tease me back -- give me some good-natured grief. Instead he surprised me with his response.
He told me not to feel bad. Why? "Because I don't understand this," he said.
What do you mean?
"I don't know what's happening. I can't explain it."
in my mind, it just expemplifies the unpredictability of this game.
by sdesserman on Aug 17, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It didn't particularly seem like he was eating
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We see it differently then
"Hey I was right, he is hurting and would be better if he got cleaned up, but he has helped fuel this resurgence so in that essence I was also very wrong, maybe giving up in this unpredictable game isn't such a good idea after all"
That is what I took from Bernie which seemed very humble to me.
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciated Bernie's commentary at first too
Also, Scott didn't clear Bernie of all the insults he has flung at the team this season. Bernie didn't just speak of Scott's injury and concern for his wellbeing. He called him old (at 32) and lacking passion (a "stale" player); he dangled suspicions about the team having widespread drug and/or alcohol problems; he used "Vince" to spread rumors about a dead teammate who was not yet in the ground. If anyone disagreed with his opinions or his journalistic timing, they were "mental" or "idiots" or "fools' who were simply blinded by an ujusifiable love for the team.
I think Bernie is reading too much into this whole "forgiveness" thing. Since Josh Hancock's death he's frequently exaggerated, sensationalized, and rumor-mongered--all with a sanctimonious and, on occasion, vicious tone. This does seem like a really cagey way to simply say "see I was right Tony to be on my crusade all season; Scott's with me".
by nycardfan on Aug 17, 2007 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying Hancock wasn't drunk?
by Dexter Westbrook on Aug 17, 2007 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At that point it was a rumor
I believe the police reported that they could not find "Vince" to confirm his report--he must have been a really solid lead to disappear so quickly! And many witnesses later contradicted "Vince's" observations.
Having some basic journalistic standards concerning evidence and confirmation is the point, not being sanctimonious. Doesn't your profession have rules of conduct your supposed to follow?
by nycardfan on Aug 17, 2007 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your post is a crock
You don't have any notion of journalistic standards, or any other kind of standards, as far as I can tell. The rest of your post is what is known as making shit up.
by Dexter Westbrook on Aug 18, 2007 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were also a few handful of witnesses
And Bernie, everyone can see through the name. Just kidding :D
Anyways, it's nice to see that 1 game has Bernie back off the bandwagon. Today's article is nice. Apparently he believe Lou Pinella willed the Cubs into winning on Friday and that has shut down the Cardinals hot streak. You know, just like losing 2-1 to Brad Penny did.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2007 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
D.W. see this post
Maybe you haven't kept up on the news on the incident. If there were lots of witnesses who said the contrary that should be reported and if "Vince" refused to come forward in the investigation, it makes his statements and motivation seem fishy (the P-D also knew Campbell refuted "Vince" the following day).
Man, you sound a lot like Bernie--lashing out with a "you have no standards at all" comment when we are disagreeing about something many fans have legitimately disagreed about.
One more thing. Bernie also spread rumors about Speezio before he had adequate confirmation.
He later erased the whole thread, (whether that was because of pressure from the paper or Speezio's agent or lawyer is unknown). It was a bogus thing to do though--put all sorts of unsubstaniated trash out there for an entire day and then delete it after it had been read so that he couldn't be held respsonsible.
by nycardfan on Aug 18, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys
by DCGreg on Aug 17, 2007 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he seems to have become
by nycardfan on Aug 17, 2007 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be good for me to look at that
by nycardfan on Aug 17, 2007 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here
"Shut Rolen Down? No, Just Shut Bernie Up"
"I told Rolen he was making me look bad. A while back, I wrote a blog in which I suggested it was time to shut Rolen down for the season, and let him have surgery on his problematic left shoulder. This would give him the best chance to be at full strength by the start of the 2008 season. It seemed like a wise idea at the time.... well, of course, nothing of the sort happened, and Rolen played very well in the Cardinals' three-game series sweep of the Brewers.
Score another one for my expertise."
Read the rest of the link for more of it, but he does take a lot of crow in it.
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was what I was commenting on
And I still agree with Hardcore Legend's main point above.
by nycardfan on Aug 17, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't Explain It
On the other hand, so many things just cannot be predicted or explained.
Must be why Jack used to say, "Every time I come to the ballpark I see something I haven't seen before."
by Hinkster on Aug 17, 2007 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
true
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One very minor point
Weirdly, however, he may have looked at that soft spot in their schedule (vs. the Pirates and Nats) as a reason. No one (at least not I) thought they'd be winning so handily against a string of +.500 teams.
by briangunn on Aug 17, 2007 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks brian, i missed that
and i'm still not totally sold that they're gonna finish at .500; might be we're not seeing anything more than a crazy blip in the standings. but i'm definitely open to persuasion.
by lboros on Aug 17, 2007 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EY on Baseball Tonight
by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obvious keys to the Cubs series
1.Keep the Cubs hrs to only solo shots. Don't give up the 3-run bombs.
- We need to score many runs early and often. Duh! Pujols & Rolen need to really step it up this series. Pujols especially needs to be more patient at the plate and turn it up a notch, his HR at Milwaukee is a good sign that he is ready to go on one of his HR sprees.
- Don't give up walks or put a lot of men on in front of Ramirez, he has been hot coming off his injury. To me he is the most dangerous hitter on their team right now.
- Try to get to the Cubs bullpen quickly, after their series against the Reds, their bullpen has to be worn out.
I also think for the first time in awhile we are going to get blown out in a game like with a 12-2 score.
by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One game at a time, folks;
by cardsrul on Aug 17, 2007 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Enc Plays
by realbrit70 on Aug 17, 2007 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How does Edmonds get a start against LHP
I'd rather Edmonds take the day off, rest those legs and let Ankiel patrol CF.
Oh well, I guess Tony is just saying 'we are going with our horses'.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds
But...I am also starting to wonder if Tony is maybe starting to protect Ankiel a little. Maybe trying to keep him as our "NEW secret weapon" for a little while longer. As in not letting the Cubs see his weakness spots in his hitting for a little bit longer. Though I bet Rick will start at least 2 or 3 games this series, unless Juan has a big game today which could change things a bit.
by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lineup
David Eckstein, SS
Ryan Ludwick, LF
Albert Pujols, 1B
Juan Encarnacion, RF
Scott Rolen, 3B
Jim Edmonds, CF
Yadier Molina, C
Braden Looper, P
Brendan Ryan, 2B
by bretsyboo on Aug 17, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind that lineup one bit
by Keep your hands off on Aug 17, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan
Tony's mind games are amusing, if nothing else
by Keep your hands off on Aug 17, 2007 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaRussa told KTRS
I understand his point, but I think he is only partly right; in my opinion we don't have 4-hole Albert protection even when Juan IS in there.
by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see Taguchi or Ankiel in for Ludwick
by outraged on Aug 17, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick's the right guy
I'll take Ludwick over Gooch as well. His power threat will loom large in windy Wrigley.
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inter-blog questions...
Not telling you how to do your job, but...well, okay. Maybe I am a little bit.
by TheDuke32 on Aug 17, 2007 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3 out of 4 vs the Cubs
We would be tied with the Cubs and have a .500 record heading into the last 6 weeks of the season.
I have WGN on mute, and Shannon and Rooney on the radio. Beer in hand. Afternoon off. Life is good.
by Keep your hands off on Aug 17, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As long as we don't get pounded
by lordsummer on Aug 17, 2007 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan and Al
by madding on Aug 17, 2007 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
couple of good at bats so far...
by SleepyCA on Aug 17, 2007 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we goto the bottom of the first
by royalsreview on Aug 17, 2007 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
horrible "cubs are loose" stories
by royalsreview on Aug 17, 2007 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not watching it live
by ZiggyG on Aug 17, 2007 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What did
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Angel Hernandez
by madding on Aug 17, 2007 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Odd really
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How he keeps
by boog on Aug 17, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
listening to the radio
by Handsome B Wonderful on Aug 17, 2007 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just glad
by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy cow
by jdub176 on Aug 17, 2007 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you, WGN guys,
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All the insight that's really needed should be
by stl tyler on Aug 17, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta know...
With the air show in Chicago, this game sounds more like Shea than Wrigley.
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
9th is 9th
I agree that B Ryan probably isn't giving it a single thought.
In my opinion, there is not only no 'crying' in baseball, there is no "disrespect" either. I dislike the fact that that term has gained so much parlance.
by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dinosaurs!
I buy more into the latter and think the same issue's at play here. If the manager chooses to implement a strategy that'll help your team win (and I buy into the pitcher-bats-8th theory) the ninth-hitting batter ought to end up feeling honored that he was a part of a minor revolution. If the strategy works to score more runs per game, the guy you ask to bat behind the pitcher ought to be proud that he made a contribution to the team's success; if it fails (and I don't expect it would) he might get sick of being the guy out on a limb of sorts.
Like others have said, Ryan's the perfect guy for the job. He's doing EXACTLY what he ought to be doing, taking good at-bats and getting on base and being happy just to be batting ninth for St. Louis instead of eighth for Memphis. And credit due to Kennedy, who didn't bitch about it before going down with the knee injury. It'd be great to see him bounce back next year after all the crap he's taken this one.
by liam on Aug 18, 2007 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hitters are doing a great job
hill is pitching well, only faced 2 more than the minimum thus far, and he's already up to 57 pitches through 3. that's more than 5 p/pa. keep it going boys.
by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is good
by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
looper's season era under 5!
by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pagnozzi
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I had the pleasure
Currently Tommy Herr's son is playing infield (mostly 3rd base) for Louisville.. now the AAA team of Cincinnati.
by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitcher status through 3
Ground outs-fly outs: Looper 5-1, Hill, R 2-4.
Batters faced: Looper 9, Hill, R 11.
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pags II
by BluesDrummer85 on Aug 17, 2007 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Way to swing at the first pitch Enc
by stl tyler on Aug 17, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah.. foolish
Kind of pisses on the whole team strategy...
by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Viva Al bertos!
by Calhoun on Aug 17, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stupid call
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked even worse on the replay
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rolen Struck Out
Angel Hernandez ruled interference and called it a double play.
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
batter interference
by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it really possible
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Angel strikes again
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
from that last replay
by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony?
by dralexp on Aug 17, 2007 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angel Hernandez's strikezone is getting worse by
And nice hustle on that flyball to right, Juan. Welcome back!
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On gameday,
by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't neccesarily mean
by stl tyler on Aug 17, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angel Hernandez
by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
angel
by thewizard3 on Aug 17, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more
by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great play by Ryan
by azruavatar on Aug 17, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by thewizard3 on Aug 17, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fuck you Angel Hernandez
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tony?
by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hooray
by jdub176 on Aug 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good on Tony
He had to get a few words in with Angel and has a legitimate opportunity here.
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this is BULLSHIT
also, despite the interference, yadi would have absolutely NAILED him if eck could have held on to the ball.
by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Ryan
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to argue interference
It really is just too bad that Ryan couldn't hold onto the ball.
At least we got out of the inning unscathed.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't a perfect throw
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish
by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just for fun
(fyi...googling "worst umpire" also brings up angel hernandez in less than .0001 seconds)
by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so we're penalized
by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Job by Loop
by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To the Guy from BCB that is reading us
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fortunately...
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly
by salvomania on Aug 17, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In the argument
by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice AB by Yadi...
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
These are the rules I found.
A batter is out for illegal action when --
(c) He interferes with the catcher's fielding or throwing by stepping out of the batter's box or making any other movement that hinders the catcher's play at home base. EXCEPTION: Batter is not out if any runner attempting to advance is put out, or if runner trying to score is called out for batter's interference.
Rule 6.06(c) Comment: If the batter interferes with the catcher, the plate umpire shall call "interference." The batter is out and the ball dead. No player may advance on such interference (offensive interference) and all runners must return to the last base that was, in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference.
If, however, the catcher makes a play and the runner attempting to advance is put out, it is to be assumed there was no actual interference and that runner is out--not the batter. Any other runners on the base at the time may advance as the ruling is that there is no actual interference if a runner is retired. In that case play proceeds just as if no violation had been called.
If a batter strikes at a ball and misses and swings so hard he carries the bat all the way around and, in the umpire's judgment, unintentionally hits the catcher or the ball in back of him on the backswing before the catcher has securely held the ball, it shall be called a strike only (not interference). The ball will be dead, however, and no runner shall advance on the play.
7.09
It is interference by a batter or a runner when --
(a) After a third strike he hinders the catcher in his attempt to field the ball;
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
by mikedallas23 on Aug 17, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh man...
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice catch Jones
BTW I know that what Pujols was doing has no affect on the throw and that Ryan not holding on was the main problem, it is just annoying that Cubs get one way and the Cards get the other on the same call regardless of what else was happening.
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
damn the wind
by jdub176 on Aug 17, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dang it
by mikedallas23 on Aug 17, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Molina
by paCardsFan on Aug 17, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the expression goes...
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slim AND None.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludwick
Hopefully Juan is watching.
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This Inning
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitcher status through 5
Pitches-strikes: Looper 78-42, Hill, R 88-56.
Ground outs-fly outs: Looper 7-4, Hill, R 2-7.
Batters faced: Looper 17, Hill, R 18.
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Last three hitters
I don't know how much longer we want to keep him in there (besides trying to keep our quality start streak running).
by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitch count low though
by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pitching
by zolak16 on Aug 17, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK...
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sixth Inning
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not this time.
by paCardsFan on Aug 17, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Urk.
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow, hill's stuff is really, really good
by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looper hit hard last inning
Pitches 76-90:
BAA:.371
OBP: .408
SLG: .629
by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PUJOLS!!!!!!
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pujols!
by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YARD
by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
107 Pitches
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In light of above discussion...
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But Loop is almost certain to stay out there....
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"rich looking for that put-away pitch...
by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I must admit
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great work, Juan
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he never starts again for us
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would
by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK Loop
by ZiggyG on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou sure doesn't like his bullpen
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Drag bunt
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Short leash!
Lee and Ramirez against a tiring looper is scary.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Please tell me someone's warming up...
by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Let the implosion begin.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
by Cardinal70 on Aug 17, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man if Eck were 5 inches taller...
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jacque Jones is a lowball hitter
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And he puts it
What a waste.
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap
by mikedallas23 on Aug 17, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
by enoscountry on Aug 17, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a curve
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knew that was coming
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ballgame.
by TriplePlay on Aug 17, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eh?
by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'll throw Marmol, Ohman and Dempster
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Between those three
If you take 19/36 as the probability we don't score a run in a given inning, the chance of us not scoring in three innings is like 14%....
Lots of time boys, lots of time...
by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doh
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I knew Loop would give up a HR
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looper hasn't be able to find the strikezone
And there is the walk to Lee.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, Tony
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really
by Cardinal70 on Aug 17, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still pitching...
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Line Drive
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whew.
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can still hear Looper saying...
by LilEck on Aug 17, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I take it back
by LilEck on Aug 17, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Tony's been reading veb...
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GRRRRRRR
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
c'mon
by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jones=Encarnacion?
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Juan could ever get hot like Jones it
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jones n' Enc
Then two or three days later, the Cards signed Encarnacion to virtually the same contract and I stopped grinning.
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murton's going to crush one
Ugh.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wheew
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
grr...
Lets see if Looper can get out of this. But we all know that Looper should be out of the game in short order...
by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well
by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surely
(Of course he won't. And don't call me Shirley.)
by Cardinal70 on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hear it...
by LilEck on Aug 17, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that I've ever been this disappointed
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok Tony
by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ladies and Gentlemen...
Go get 'em Redbirds!
by ColinMacLeod on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
<starts breathing again>
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright
by ZiggyG on Aug 17, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well the good news is their bullpen sucks ass
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bad news is
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking the bullpen
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
by SleepyCA on Aug 17, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this sucks....
by TriplePlay on Aug 17, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there any chance, Loop is out there for the 7th
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
who cares
by TriplePlay on Aug 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonderful attitude
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Flores is in
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bunting for a leadoff basehit
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR
You've been warned.
by azruavatar on Aug 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Um guys...
by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well I thought
but maybe he is still in the Cubs Dugout in Wriggly, cutting Lou's phone line to the pen.
by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's out now
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a pujols homerun....
by lindqja on Aug 17, 2007 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hill out...
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice work, Randy
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time
by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice quote from BCB
you know if he ever starts with Z or Marquis it would be the time for the La Russa lineup"
True enough too, Z and Marquis are good hitters, kinda like Wells and Waino (though he has looked bad lately)
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Dunc...
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Things that need work:
by azruavatar on Aug 17, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it's time
by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man
by Andie203 on Aug 17, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Feh.
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Genius move there Brendan
by TriplePlay on Aug 17, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Lud!
Tear the cover off the ball, kid!
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Eck on; here dey come...
by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yaay, Eck!
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting move...
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm thinking
by Birds on the Matt on Aug 17, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah
by Birds on the Matt on Aug 17, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
everything is away to Rick
OK that pitch was inside...he just missed that one.
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Ank
by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Walked 'im
by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon!
by Andie203 on Aug 17, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he can walk??!?
by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I'm the Cubs
by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can't imagine
by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheisse!
by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ouch
by Cardinal70 on Aug 17, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Albert....
by TriplePlay on Aug 17, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean
by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should've waited for a pitch he could hit then.
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