Game 119 Open Thread: August 17, 2007

by lboros on Aug 17, 2007 8:32 AM EDT in News Comment 408 comments


looper	hill
10-9, 5.08	6-7, 3.85

good stuff from scott rolen in bernie's column today. he nakedly admits that the cards' morale stunk after the 1-5 trip to pittsburgh and washington, and that the people who wrote the team off at that point had every reason to do so. and then he adds:

After the way we won the World Series last year, I bowed out of any conversation about winning or losing and why it happens. We weren't the best team in the playoffs last year; we might have been the worst team. And we became champs. And in 2004, I played on the best team that I will ever play on, and certainly the best team in the playoffs, and we got swept in the World Series by the Red Sox -- badly.

Don't try to figure this game out.

certainly not where the cardinals are concerned.

and where the cubs are concerned? they gave up trying to figure the game out decades ago. their 2007 campaign has been at least as illogical as the cardinals' --- indeed, at a superficial level the two teams' seasons have a lot in common. chicago reached the same low point as st louis --- 9 games under --- and were left for dead by many of their fans. then they made a few lineup changes --- dumped some unproductive veterans (mike barrett and jacque jones), called up the centerfield phenom from triple A (felix pie), and started giving lots of at-bats to no-great-shakes prospects like mike fontenot and ryan theriot and angel pagan. above all, they shoved aside the washed-up veteran relievers who were costing them games --- guys like eyre and ohman --- and assigned their roles to youngsters like carlos marmol. they went with the kids, is the point i'm trying to make --- and, like the cardinals, they started getting better results.

the major difference here --- and it pretty much wrecks the whole analogy --- is that the cubs were never as bad as their record suggested. even when they were 9 games under they had scored more runs than they'd allowed; they simply had lost a lot of close games due to inept bullpenning. all the stat geeks predicted the cubs would bounce back from the slow start and get themselves into the race (something nobody predicted for the cardinals), and they were right. chicago's offense, while never great, has been solidly average all year, and its rotation has been healthy and consistent. after the zambrano-barrett dugout bout on june 1 and piniella's subsequent tantrum, the cubs played outstanding baseball for two months --- a 35-18 record (.660) between june 3 and august 1. the last win of that stretch pulled the cubs into a tie for first place --- whereupon they proceeded to go 4-10 and get outscored 69-87, bringing us right up to the present. their pitching staff, among the top 3 in the league all season, has hit its raggedest patch in the last two weeks, posting a 6.09 era. while the cardinal rotation has been reeling off all those quality starts --- 9 in a row and counting --- the cubs have received just 4 q.s. all month (two from lilly, one from hill, one from marquis). in two starts since leaving his august 3 start vs the mets with heat cramps, zambrano has been pummeled for 21 hits and 13 runs in 12+ innings. sean marshall, the cubs' scheduled starting pitcher tomorrow, has a 10.38 era in 3 august starts.

like rolen says, don't try to figure this game out.

the cubs will throw three left-handed pitchers at st louis this weekend, including two (hill and marshall) the cardinals have not faced this year. here's how the cardinal outfielders perform vs left-handers:

2007

	ab	avg	obp	slg	ops
taguchi	120	.325	.382	.392	.773
encarnacion	92	.304	.343	.391	.735
ludwick	86	.221	.295	.419	.713
duncan	71	.225	.309	.338	.647
edmonds	92	.196	.286	.268	.554

in the big leagues, ankiel has 2 hits and 3 strikeouts in 7 at-bats vs left-handers. in the minors, his line vs them this year was .278 / .313 / .602.

CAREER

	ab	avg	obp	slg	ops
edmonds	1670	.256	.337	.439	.776
encarnacion	1118	.275	.326	.430	.756
taguchi	564	.289	.338	.399	.737
ludwick	220	.209	.278	.441	.719
duncan	120	.217	.286	.375	.661

encarnacion says he is good to go; he's ready to play. how does it make sense to keep him on the bench? which three outfielders ought to be starting ahead of him? there's no case at all for edmonds, who simply can't hit lefties anymore --- his cumulative line vs them over the last two seasons is .171 / .231 / .276. nor can you make a good case for duncan, who a) has never established that he can hit left-handers consistently, and b) is having a tough 2d half (.232 / .333 / .439 since the all-star break). if encarnacion sits again, that leaves an outfield of ludwick / taguchi / ankiel . . . . i realize that encarnacion is no hall-of-famer, but he's good enough to crack that outfield. he's one of the best three. la russa has made his point --- if encarnacion does get in there, he's going to play hard. he knows his job is on the line.

be interesting to see how tony plays it.

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Ludwick, Taguchi, and Enc to start it off. Hopefully they can knock that smug smile off of Rich Hill early, get to that "bullpen" of theirs and bring in Ankiel and Edmonds.

Speaking of whom, any word on Jimmy's nerve/back condition today?

Boooo-urns.

by Alxfritz on Aug 17, 2007 8:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ludwick, Juan, Slick Rick

LF, CF, RF. That's what I'd d.

Unfortunately, Guch will be in center and Rick will be in right. You can put it in the bank.

by silent_bob on Aug 17, 2007 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Leach on O,YNaG

says is Lud, JEd and Juan.

by Just Rope Ball on Aug 17, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed- BRING BACK JUAN!

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 8:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

n/t

by redrey on Aug 17, 2007 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pretty sure...

... that Zambrano will put everything he has Vs the Cards, maybe JImmy will be playing that day.

I hope we smash the two youngsters, because Vs the Cubs for sure our starters will have much more trouble than Vs Padres/Dodgers/Brewers.

GO CARDS!!!

by SuperSeve on Aug 17, 2007 8:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hill

How are lefties hitting Hill this year? It's not another reverse split is it? Just seems like Tony will look for any reason to keep Juan on the pine.

by paCardsFan on Aug 17, 2007 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lefties .193 righties .247

Career:
L .219
R .239

by outraged on Aug 17, 2007 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's no doubt in my mind that Encarnacion

will start today. I just hope he responds well.

by outraged on Aug 17, 2007 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How can you be so sure - did you see Tony's

quote this morning:

"I really liked the way he swung (Wednesday) in batting practice, but I know his comment is that he's still limited," he said. "When you've got healthy guys available ... that's what the bus ride's for."

What the hell - "his comment is that he's still limited" - what??! He says he's OK, ready to go!? Jimmy has made comments that he's 'limited' too; claiming he felt dead

Dead, I tell you! Juan's comments have never approximated that level...

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Everyone knows this isn't a matter of health

I'm sure because we would have DL'd him already if we weren't going to use him. There's no reason to play short for this long to not use him. Tony can send his message just as clearly by sending him to the fake DL.

by outraged on Aug 17, 2007 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But you're assuming

that Tony's actions can be logically dissected to reveal clear, rational reasoning behind them. That is not always the case.

I think there is so much going on that we don't know about, that anything can happen.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Juan is 3-6 vs. Hill lifetime

Kind of a limited sampling, but if he isn't in the lineup today, then one would have to assume that he might never play again for the Cards. I think TLR has made his point, but if he continues to bench Juan, then to me, it sounds like a done deal.

by Wahoo on Aug 17, 2007 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In addition...

Juan is 3 for 6, with one of those 3 hits a HR.

Juan has simply GOT to start today against the lefty.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mind games

Hopefully, Juan will respond to Tony's comments/benching positively. I think he comes out with a charge in him this series.

by googs77 on Aug 17, 2007 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A few thoughts

Juan and his bat will play a key roll in the series. I just hope all of this time off will help, not hurt.

Not so sure what to think about the Cards play over the past two weeks. I have/ had left them for dead and now they are at least making the race close again. With this in mind, they face off against the Cubs in a huge series. Given that I think the Cubs are the better team on paper (better than either the Cards or the Brewers), I think a series split would be a fine outcome. Sure 3 out of 4 would be better ( and a sign that the Cards might sustain their current level of play), but a split would be fine with me too.

by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I swear to God if he gives up a triple

when I'm at the game Saturday I'm gonna go out on the field after him.

by sdrone on Aug 17, 2007 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

same here

I'm heading down to the game today, and any triples to right will make me sick. But then again, they won't surprise me at all.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 17, 2007 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

telling my cubs friends the same thing.

That is that I think this year that I think that the Cubs have the better team. And also that I think that after all these years that the Cubs deserve to win one. I actually think that bugs them more than if I said that the Cubs suck.

by pesoto74 on Aug 17, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Zambrano is reupping today

Diary up

Boooo-urns.

by Alxfritz on Aug 17, 2007 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good

especially since the whispers around Chicago are that Carlos is pitching injured.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

funny

"and where the cubs are concerned? they gave up trying to figure the game out decades ago." Just mad em laugh out loud and the people are looking at me weird in the office. Oh well, back to work.

by gonzostl on Aug 17, 2007 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Record vs. LH starters is 21-20

while that vs. RHP is 37-40, so I really don't think LH starters are quite the nemesis this year that they have been the last few. Of course some of that may be due to the extreme lengths that TLR has gone through to get us better against LH starters.

Its too bad we don't have Mulder healthy and pitching well, since the Cubs are 11-19 vs. LH starters and 50-40 vs. RH starters.

by Wahoo on Aug 17, 2007 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice Quote

from Rolen. I think "Don't try to figure this game out" is my new Cardinals mantra for the season. I've been looking for a replacement for "Free Rick Ankiel" for a week.

I'm glad I'm going to the beach on Saturday. Waiting around for Fox to break into the Yankees-Tigers game with a Cards-Cubs update would drive me crazy.

by nybirdgirl on Aug 17, 2007 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Gotta agree

with Scotty... I've been watching El Birdos since "Stan The Man" was a 40-year-old who could still rake!, and have never been able to predict what's going to happen (Hence my alleged Yogi-quote!)

Baseball is somewhat predictable over the long haul (season-to-season), but it's played in Extremely Small Sample Sizes... one pitch at a time!

I think Tony will make out his lineup card based on what Edmonds tells TLR about his back, and based on what "vibes" Tony gets from Juancion. I wouldn't be surprised to see Lud, Ankiel, and Encarnacion from LF to RF today.

Go get 'em, (Gashouse) Gang! [big grin]

"In this game, don't nobody know nuthin' about nuthin'." -- attributed to Lawrence Peter "Yogi" Berra

by The Ol Goaler on Aug 17, 2007 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jacque Jones?

I must have missed when the Cubs "dumped" him. He has over 1.000 OPS in the last month. For the Cubs.

by heyzeus on Aug 17, 2007 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

They dumped him to Florida

were going to pay ALL of his salary but the comish's office nixed the deal. Worked out well for the Cubs because he got hot right at the same time he did. He's had some crucial RBIs for them as well.

Without him, they'd probably be 5 games out right now.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

they also stopped playing him

from june 10 to july 5 --- four weeks --- he only started 3 games. after the trade to florida fell through, they stuck him back in the lineup. but for almost a solid month he just sat on the bench.

by lboros on Aug 17, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I noticed that too.

There was a time when Cubs fans wished they could dump him. Actually, a lot of them probably still do.

by birdjam on Aug 17, 2007 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but not anymore

sigh.

by heyzeus on Aug 17, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I always felt good...

about the Cubs having Jacque Jones, but he is the only one in the top-tier left. The others that put smiles on my face were Neifi Perez, Michael Barrett, Juan Pierre... and oh yes, the Dust-bag.

Now Jones is the only one left of that core, and my smiles have greatly waned. About the only thing I have left is Aramis' defense.

by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey gang

New poster here... I thought you all (except lboros) might enjoy this article on Ankiel from today's Washington Post by Op-Ed columnist Charles Krauthammer:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/16/AR2007081601687.html

You may need a free subscription. I can post the text of the article if people are interested and that's within the rules and regulations here.

On another note: I signed up a few days ago to respond to someone's post talking about being at a game in Pittsburgh and watching the Cardinals on the scoreboard... I was at a Blues playoff game as they swept the Hawks in 2002 (I think), and I watched the tiny Cardinals score in the upper corner of the arena as they played an early season game in New York at least as much as I watched the hockey game in front of me... some of us are just obsessed, I guess. We lost a lead in the 8th that night... must have brought in Veres :)

ahunter

by ahunter on Aug 17, 2007 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That was me

Welcome.

They had the Giants/Atlanta game underneath the Cardinals/Brewers game on the scoreboard and sometimes I'd look at the wrong one.

Atleast 3 times I said "4 to 2 now? Damnit Wells, way to give one back!"

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

my two favorite parts of bernie's column

were:

1) his authentically humble eating of crow for his suggestion to shut rolen down.

and

2) this exhange with rolen in reference to his revival with the bat:

Interestingly enough, when I joked with Rolen, I expected him to tease me back -- give me some good-natured grief. Instead he surprised me with his response.

He told me not to feel bad. Why? "Because I don't understand this," he said.

What do you mean?

"I don't know what's happening. I can't explain it."

in my mind, it just expemplifies the unpredictability of this game.

by sdesserman on Aug 17, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It didn't particularly seem like he was eating

crow, rather backhandedly saying "see, I was kinda right...even Scott agrees."

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We see it differently then

I think he was trying to say something like:

"Hey I was right, he is hurting and would be better if he got cleaned up, but he has helped fuel this resurgence so in that essence I was also very wrong, maybe giving up in this unpredictable game isn't such a good idea after all"

That is what I took from Bernie which seemed very humble to me.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I appreciated Bernie's commentary at first too

but Hardcore Legend has made me rethink that. The more I think about how manipulative Bernie has been this season in bending all sorts of things (even his own admissions of humility and his past DUI) to a moralizing self glorification, it seems to fit that this is one more opportunity for him to do that.

Also, Scott didn't clear Bernie of all the insults he has flung at the team this season. Bernie didn't just speak of Scott's injury and concern for his wellbeing. He called him old (at 32) and lacking passion (a "stale" player); he dangled suspicions about the team having widespread drug and/or alcohol problems; he used "Vince" to spread rumors about a dead teammate who was not yet in the ground. If anyone disagreed with his opinions or his journalistic timing, they were "mental" or "idiots" or "fools' who were simply blinded by an ujusifiable love for the team.

I think Bernie is reading too much into this whole "forgiveness" thing. Since Josh Hancock's death he's frequently exaggerated, sensationalized, and rumor-mongered--all with a sanctimonious and, on occasion, vicious tone. This does seem like a really cagey way to simply say "see I was right Tony to be on my crusade all season; Scott's with me".

by nycardfan on Aug 17, 2007 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are you saying Hancock wasn't drunk?

"Vince" said Hancock was drinking at Shannon's bar and appeared to be drunk. As we know, that was no rumor. And spare me this "not yet in the ground" sanctimoniousness. A few days after the funeral, Hancock's family was busy trying to profit from his corpse.

All things are ready if our minds be so.

by Dexter Westbrook on Aug 17, 2007 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

At that point it was a rumor

and they should have waited for solid evidence which the police said would be forthcomimng.

I believe the police reported that they could not find "Vince" to confirm his report--he must have been a really solid lead to disappear so quickly! And many witnesses later contradicted "Vince's" observations.

Having some basic journalistic standards concerning evidence and confirmation is the point, not being sanctimonious. Doesn't your profession have rules of conduct your supposed to follow?

by nycardfan on Aug 17, 2007 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your post is a crock

You had an eyewitness -- actually, two -- saying Hancock had spent quite a bit of time drinking at Shannon's. That is called evidence, not a "rumor."

You don't have any notion of journalistic standards, or any other kind of standards, as far as I can tell. The rest of your post is what is known as making shit up.

All things are ready if our minds be so.

by Dexter Westbrook on Aug 18, 2007 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There were also a few handful of witnesses

who said he did not appear to be drunk.

And Bernie, everyone can see through the name. Just kidding :D

Anyways, it's nice to see that 1 game has Bernie back off the bandwagon. Today's article is nice. Apparently he believe Lou Pinella willed the Cubs into winning on Friday and that has shut down the Cardinals hot streak. You know, just like losing 2-1 to Brad Penny did.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2007 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Read the final police report

by nycardfan on Aug 18, 2007 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

D.W. see this post

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2888691

Maybe you haven't kept up on the news on the incident. If there were lots of witnesses who said the contrary that should be reported and if "Vince" refused to come forward in the investigation, it makes his statements and motivation seem fishy (the P-D also knew Campbell refuted "Vince" the following day).

Man, you sound a lot like Bernie--lashing out with a "you have no standards at all" comment when we are disagreeing about something many fans have legitimately disagreed about.

One more thing. Bernie also spread rumors about Speezio before he had adequate confirmation.

He later erased the whole thread, (whether that was because of pressure from the paper or Speezio's agent or lawyer is unknown). It was a bogus thing to do though--put all sorts of unsubstaniated trash out there for an entire day and then delete it after it had been read so that he couldn't be held respsonsible.

by nycardfan on Aug 18, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you guys

may be talking about two different things. In addition to the columen, Bernie had a recent blog entry in which he more explicitly dined on crow.

by DCGreg on Aug 17, 2007 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well he seems to have become

awfully sunny--not to mention humble--once it became clear that TLR is probably stciking around. Suddenly, TLR is a genius with respect to Juan and playing the Brewers, etc. Blah blah blah....

by nycardfan on Aug 17, 2007 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True

I was referring more to the blog entry then the article.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It would be good for me to look at that

do you have a link? Just if it's easy for you to access...

by nycardfan on Aug 17, 2007 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here

http://www.stltoday.com/blogs/sports-bernies-extra-points/2007/08/shut-rolen-down-no-just-shut-berni e-up/

"Shut Rolen Down? No, Just Shut Bernie Up"

"I told Rolen he was making me look bad. A while back, I wrote a blog in which I suggested it was time to shut Rolen down for the season, and let him have surgery on his problematic left shoulder. This would give him the best chance to be at full strength by the start of the 2008 season. It seemed like a wise idea at the time.... well, of course, nothing of the sort happened, and Rolen played very well in the Cardinals' three-game series sweep of the Brewers.

Score another one for my expertise."

Read the rest of the link for more of it, but he does take a lot of crow in it.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That was what I was commenting on

but my point stands. He's only eating crow for talking about Rolen's injury, not all his other insults and rumor mongering.

And I still agree with Hardcore Legend's main point above.

by nycardfan on Aug 17, 2007 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can't Explain It

One of the many joys of baseball......so many things are so predictable when the layers of stats are peeled back......as many do so adroitly on this blog.

On the other hand, so many things just cannot be predicted or explained.

Must be why Jack used to say, "Every time I come to the ballpark I see something I haven't seen before."

by Hinkster on Aug 17, 2007 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

true

No stat in the world could predict Yadi hitting two HRs in one game mid August, no stat would tell you that a long time vet like Griffey would make such a stupid baserunning blunder. I love baseball because every pitch can be so exciting. But I also love how numbers and stats play such a huge part of the game, over a career or a season we get a feel for how a player performs on average and thus when put in a situation how likely it is for them to do something. Before his 3 ABs last night Yadi had only 248 season ABs and had only 1 HR so the odds that he would hit one HR in that game were around 1 in 250, after that the odds changed to 1 in 125 but still a hard thing for him to hit two in one game since he had never done it before, stats can help predict but every once in awhile the least likely outcomes do happen and then magic happens as well. See 2006 WS for an example. Cards lose in 3 right?

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

One very minor point

Larry, you write that no one predicted that the Cards would climb back into the race. I don't know if this counts, but on July 15th, when the Cards were 8 games under .500 and 7.5 out of first, Joe Sheehan of Baseball Prospectus predicted that "the Cardinals will finish above .500, and inspire a host of Labor Day stories about their chance to repeat."

Weirdly, however, he may have looked at that soft spot in their schedule (vs. the Pirates and Nats) as a reason. No one (at least not I) thought they'd be winning so handily against a string of +.500 teams.

Brian Gunn

by briangunn on Aug 17, 2007 12:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

thanks brian, i missed that

it was bold of sheehan to make that prediction, given the state of the cardinal pitching staff at that time --- maroth was still in the rotation and sucking: reyes and wells had just barely started to come around. i certainly wouldn't have predicted a .500 finish at that point in time.

and i'm still not totally sold that they're gonna finish at .500; might be we're not seeing anything more than a crazy blip in the standings. but i'm definitely open to persuasion.

by lboros on Aug 17, 2007 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

EY on Baseball Tonight

on ESPN said something similar, during a similar time frame.

by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Obvious keys to the Cubs series

Thought I would post the obvious keys to win this series.

1.Keep the Cubs hrs to only solo shots. Don't give up the 3-run bombs.

We need to score many runs early and often. Duh! Pujols & Rolen need to really step it up this series. Pujols especially needs to be more patient at the plate and turn it up a notch, his HR at Milwaukee is a good sign that he is ready to go on one of his HR sprees.
Don't give up walks or put a lot of men on in front of Ramirez, he has been hot coming off his injury. To me he is the most dangerous hitter on their team right now.
Try to get to the Cubs bullpen quickly, after their series against the Reds, their bullpen has to be worn out.

Prediction: The Cards will win 2 of 4, which will still be a great roadtrip for us.
I also think for the first time in awhile we are going to get blown out in a game like with a 12-2 score.

by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

One game at a time, folks;

one game at a time....

by cardsrul on Aug 17, 2007 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Enc Plays

Matthew Leach reporting in his blog that Enc is playing RF today.

by realbrit70 on Aug 17, 2007 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How does Edmonds get a start against LHP

and Ankiel does not?

I'd rather Edmonds take the day off, rest those legs and let Ankiel patrol CF.

Oh well, I guess Tony is just saying 'we are going with our horses'.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Edmonds

I think Jimmy is going to play most of this series because he is swinging a hot bat. And when Jimmy is hot he can carry the team as much as anyone. Plus Jimmy has hit the ball good at Wrigley in the past.

But...I am also starting to wonder if Tony is maybe starting to protect Ankiel a little. Maybe trying to keep him as our "NEW secret weapon" for a little while longer. As in not letting the Cubs see his weakness spots in his hitting for a little bit longer. Though I bet Rick will start at least 2 or 3 games this series, unless Juan has a big game today which could change things a bit.

by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lineup

CARDINALS LINEUP

David Eckstein, SS
Ryan Ludwick, LF
Albert Pujols, 1B
Juan Encarnacion, RF
Scott Rolen, 3B
Jim Edmonds, CF
Yadier Molina, C
Braden Looper, P
Brendan Ryan, 2B

by bretsyboo on Aug 17, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't mind that lineup one bit

In fact, I'll see your Ryan and raise you a Ryan.

by Keep your hands off on Aug 17, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Juan

Interesting that Juan "triplemaker" Encarnacion goes from furthest seat on the bench to the cleanup hitter in one of the biggest games of the year.

Tony's mind games are amusing, if nothing else

by Keep your hands off on Aug 17, 2007 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

New nickname

Perfect.

by sdrone on Aug 17, 2007 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LaRussa told KTRS

before the game that when Juan is not in the line-up, we 'really don't have a clean-up hitter' ... or words to that effect.
I understand his point, but I think he is only partly right; in my opinion we don't have 4-hole Albert protection even when Juan IS in there.

by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather see Taguchi or Ankiel in for Ludwick

And I'm not sure if Encarnacion in the cleanup spot after sitting for so long is a great idea. But I guess Tony knows what he's doing.

by outraged on Aug 17, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ludwick's the right guy

Right-handed that is...Ankiel hasn't looked sharp as of late, and Tony doesn't want him to dig a whole any deeper versus a good lefty.

I'll take Ludwick over Gooch as well. His power threat will loom large in windy Wrigley.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Inter-blog questions...

Why no "Five Questions" for and from Bleed Cubbie Blue this time, Larry? After the last couple of series against the Cubs, I was thinking it would be tradition. Personally I really liked getting opinions from "the other side" and particularly enjoyed the comments from posters at Bleed Cubbie Blue.

Not telling you how to do your job, but...well, okay. Maybe I am a little bit.

I once shot a man just to see him die...then I got distracted and missed it.

by TheDuke32 on Aug 17, 2007 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

3 out of 4 vs the Cubs

That would be sweet indeed.

We would be tied with the Cubs and have a .500 record heading into the last 6 weeks of the season.

I have WGN on mute, and Shannon and Rooney on the radio. Beer in hand. Afternoon off. Life is good.

by Keep your hands off on Aug 17, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

As long as we don't get pounded

that sounds like a little bit of paradise.

by lordsummer on Aug 17, 2007 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dan and Al

predicting doom for Zambrano on Sunday.

Acquire some runs!

by madding on Aug 17, 2007 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

couple of good at bats so far...

not much to show for it though.

"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 17, 2007 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

we goto the bottom of the first

if anyone here is from Nebraska, especially Fairbury, this post on Royals Review might interest you

www.royalsreview.com

by royalsreview on Aug 17, 2007 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

horrible "cubs are loose" stories

bad wgn

www.royalsreview.com

by royalsreview on Aug 17, 2007 2:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

sit down Lee

www.royalsreview.com

by royalsreview on Aug 17, 2007 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

good start loop

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not watching it live

But on gameday it looks like Looper has great location.

by ZiggyG on Aug 17, 2007 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yes

he threw a number of pitches just off the edge that coulda been called strikes

by FunkeeC on Aug 17, 2007 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He does

Other then that high one to Lee he has been low but right on the edge, with Angel behind homeplate he might not get all the calls but he has got a few borderline ones, so we will see how it goes but so far he looks good.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What did

Jimmy do to Rich Hill? Those pitches inside to back him off the plate looked like pitches to make a statement.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Angel Hernandez

is using a random number generator to determine balls and strikes today.

Acquire some runs!

by madding on Aug 17, 2007 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Odd really

I normally expect him to squeeze card's pitchers but today he has just been odd all the way around.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So it

would appear.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How he keeps

his job is beyond me. It always seems like he finds a way to get mentioned on T.V.

by boog on Aug 17, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

listening to the radio

It sounds like he's calling anything close to the plate a strike. Is that accurate or is more random as you suggest?

by Handsome B Wonderful on Aug 17, 2007 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not really

He is random low in the zone at a minimum he is giving some inside stuff and some outside stuff yet calls in the same spots in different ABs are called balls. I think he really is changing the zone for every hitter (it should be adjusted for height but not this much) depending on how much they crowd, and after Edmonds got knocked down every inside pitch was a ball to him.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm just glad

Angel is at homeplate this game, just to get it over with and hopefully we won't have to deal with him much the rest of the series. Oh the memories...back in 05 Angel was the most hated ump this side of Dinkenger for Cardinal nation.

by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ditto

Get it out of the way right off the bat (pun intended).

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

holy cow

Al just said that Kendall is 1/32 in throwing out base stealers this season. That's a noodle for an arm.

by jdub176 on Aug 17, 2007 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Stealing

Too bad the Cardinals don't really have many players that can exploit that. I watched game 7 of the 1982 World Series before the Milwaukee series and I was really missing the speed that the Cardinals had in those days.

by pesoto74 on Aug 17, 2007 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you, WGN guys,

for yet another analysis of batting the pitcher eighth. Your insight amazes me. (Sarcasm alert)

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

All the insight that's really needed should be

"Hey, it's been working pretty well for the Cardinals, who are 8-2 over their last 10."

by stl tyler on Aug 17, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

Yet they didn't seem to see it that way. Odd, isn't it?

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gotta know...

What was their analysis? Repeating Piniella's, "It disrespects the position players" line?

With the air show in Chicago, this game sounds more like Shea than Wrigley.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

They agreed with Sweet Lou that it is an embarrassment to the guy you ask to hit after the pitcher. Since the guy TLR asked to do it today (and not for the first time) was Brendan Ryan, I thought, "I'll bet he is just glad to be hitting ANYWHERE in a Big League line-up." So, I didn't think too much of their assessment.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

9th is 9th

what about the guy who hits 9th on an AL team? Isn't that (if not "disrespect") a bit embarrassing?

I agree that B Ryan probably isn't giving it a single thought.

In my opinion, there is not only no 'crying' in baseball, there is no "disrespect" either. I dislike the fact that that term has gained so much parlance.

by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dinosaurs!

"Does chemistry lead to winning or does winning lead to chemistry?"

I buy more into the latter and think the same issue's at play here. If the manager chooses to implement a strategy that'll help your team win (and I buy into the pitcher-bats-8th theory) the ninth-hitting batter ought to end up feeling honored that he was a part of a minor revolution. If the strategy works to score more runs per game, the guy you ask to bat behind the pitcher ought to be proud that he made a contribution to the team's success; if it fails (and I don't expect it would) he might get sick of being the guy out on a limb of sorts.

Like others have said, Ryan's the perfect guy for the job. He's doing EXACTLY what he ought to be doing, taking good at-bats and getting on base and being happy just to be batting ninth for St. Louis instead of eighth for Memphis. And credit due to Kennedy, who didn't bitch about it before going down with the knee injury. It'd be great to see him bounce back next year after all the crap he's taken this one.

by liam on Aug 18, 2007 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hitters are doing a great job

of working counts, fouling off strikes, and seeing extra pitches.

hill is pitching well, only faced 2 more than the minimum thus far, and he's already up to 57 pitches through 3. that's more than 5 p/pa. keep it going boys.

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by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This is good

The sooner we can get to their tired bullpen the better!

by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

looper's season era under 5!

thank you cubs hitters!

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by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pagnozzi

Speaking of Pags, do you think that Matt will be called up in Sept as a third catcher or will we just bring up Espisito(sp?)? I think Esp. will be brought up since he has already used an option year for this season and he gives us emergency backup during the final month but I would like to see Pags on the bench even if he isn't very good.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I had the pleasure

of watching Tom P (daddy) when he was coming up through Louisville {then the Cardinal AAA team}. He was a "can't miss" player and a fan favorite.

Currently Tommy Herr's son is playing infield (mostly 3rd base) for Louisville.. now the AAA team of Cincinnati.

by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pitcher status through 3

Pitches-strikes: Looper 41-24, Hill, R 57-38.
Ground outs-fly outs: Looper 5-1, Hill, R 2-4.
Batters faced: Looper 9, Hill, R 11.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pags II

I would love to see what he can do. Maybe he can crack the club as a backup next year

Come on You Redbirds--Mike Shannon

by BluesDrummer85 on Aug 17, 2007 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Way to swing at the first pitch Enc

Trying really hard to earn you job back, I see.

by stl tyler on Aug 17, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah.. foolish

Hill is looking dominant, but the Card's are doing a great job of taking patient AB's, fouling off pitches, and then Juan comes along and just serves up a free out...
Kind of pisses on the whole team strategy...

by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Viva Al bertos!

Looper`s looking really good today I hope he can keep it up.

by Calhoun on Aug 17, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Watching on Gameday

wtf happened?

by stl tyler on Aug 17, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Stupid call

Rolen foul tipped out, Albert was thinking about running so Kendal went to throw to second as Rolen was heading to the dugout, Kendal hit Rolen so Rolen was called for interference and Pujols was called out. Stupid call.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Looked even worse on the replay

Pujols wasn't even in the shot when Kendall threw to second, he must've been strolling to first.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rolen Struck Out

Started walking to the bench, Kendall popped up to throw to second and ran into Rolen.

Angel Hernandez ruled interference and called it a double play.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

batter interference

rolen struck out swinging, and on his follow thru he crossed the plate and got in front of kendall. kendall was trying to throw to either pick off pujols or catch him stealing (not sure which from the replay) and so albert was called out too.

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by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

TLR?

He come out and argue it?

by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep

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by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

Angel Hernandez behind homeplate, Angel ejected Bobby Cox for nothing this week already and seems to like making calls against us so I think Tony is not arguing anything that could get him thrown out.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it really possible

To interfere with Jason Kendall's defensive play?

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i wondered

the same thing!

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Angel strikes again

Albert is out even though he was headed back to first. Good call, yea or nay? I say no, because Albert was going back.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

from that last replay

it looks like pujols WASN'T headed back to first - he was trying to steal second, until after kendall threw. so i guess i have to say it was a good call.

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by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tony?

Did he come out or do anything?

by dralexp on Aug 17, 2007 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Of course not

he wouldn't want to besmerch the Cubs honor.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yep

he and angel had a friendly chat. no big deal, but he did come out to ask for clarification.

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Angel Hernandez's strikezone is getting worse by

the batter.

And nice hustle on that flyball to right, Juan. Welcome back!

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

On gameday,

The red dot marking the hit was basically right on top of his name...

by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That doesn't neccesarily mean

He was standing there.

by stl tyler on Aug 17, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Angel Hernandez

Let's be thankful this guy wasn't an ump during our October run last year. No doubt Angel would have done anything he could to stick it to us.

by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

angel

why can't he just umpire normal? I'm really starting to get ticked.

by thewizard3 on Aug 17, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm more

concerned about Scotty's shoulder than Kendall's wrist. Glad it wasn't his ouchy shoulder.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Great play by Ryan

He easily has the best range of the middle infield options available to us.

Future Redbirds

by azruavatar on Aug 17, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

agreed

breath of fresh air to see somebody with size and range. it's been awhile in the middle.

by thewizard3 on Aug 17, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just wish

He could keep the ball in his glove.

Big fan of his defense, though. Great range, arm, quick release.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also

Damn you, Angel Hernandez.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fuck you Angel Hernandez

that is the same damn call!

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Tony?

He gonna get tossed here? Gameday just shows an "On-Field Delay"

by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hooray

Tony's arguing this time. Bravo. It's the same as what happened last inning.

by jdub176 on Aug 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good on Tony

To argue this so vehemently.

He had to get a few words in with Angel and has a legitimate opportunity here.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this is BULLSHIT

lee did the EXACT SAME THING rolen did. that should be interference too. this inning should be over.

also, despite the interference, yadi would have absolutely NAILED him if eck could have held on to the ball.

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by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ryan

It was Ryan not Eck but I agree, same call but he nailed him anyway.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

my bad

it was ryan

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by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was Ryan

he tagged him and then the ball came out. Right call on THAT but this should have been a double play on the interference.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hard to argue interference

when he makes a perfect throw.

It really is just too bad that Ryan couldn't hold onto the ball.

At least we got out of the inning unscathed.

by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It wasn't a perfect throw

it was towards RF. a perfect throw and Ryan could have put his glove in front of the base.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wish

Tony/Walt/Dewitt somebody would get a hold of MLB and complain about Hernandez, I think they have more than enough evidence to have a case on this ass clown.

by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

just for fun

my brother and i googled "ass clown" and "angel hernandez" and you are (unsurprisingly) not alone in your assessment!

(fyi...googling "worst umpire" also brings up angel hernandez in less than .0001 seconds)

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

so we're penalized

for having a more skilled catcher? one who doesn't oafishly slam into the batter? one who actually gets the ball there for the putout?

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 3:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

very good point

by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good Job by Loop

Not getting flustered by the call... I feel like Kip and maybe even Reyes would've promptly given up a couple HR's...

by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

To the Guy from BCB that is reading us

I know someone just replied that no Tony didn't have a reason, but if Yadi had "hit" Lee during his throw it would have mirrored the call. The only difference was that Kendall hit Rolen in his back where Yadi threw over Lee's head.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Fortunately...

Looper gets Ward to ground out. Good call on walking A-Ram.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Supposedly

according to the BBTH game chatter, in order for it to be called interference, there has to be contact, and Molina threw without making contact with the batter, thus, no interference.,.,

by salvomania on Aug 17, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

In the argument

I definitely saw the umpire say 'contact'

by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nonsense

"Offensive interference is an act by the team at bat which interferes with, obstructs, impedes, hinders or confuses any fielder attempting to make a play."

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

6.06(c)

"A batter is out for illegal action when /.. He interferes with the catcher's fielding or throwing by stepping out of the batter's box or making any other movement that hinders the catcher's play at home base."

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice AB by Yadi...

Make 'im work, Loop!

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

These are the rules I found.

6.06
A batter is out for illegal action when --
(c) He interferes with the catcher's fielding or throwing by stepping out of the batter's box or making any other movement that hinders the catcher's play at home base. EXCEPTION: Batter is not out if any runner attempting to advance is put out, or if runner trying to score is called out for batter's interference.
Rule 6.06(c) Comment: If the batter interferes with the catcher, the plate umpire shall call "interference." The batter is out and the ball dead. No player may advance on such interference (offensive interference) and all runners must return to the last base that was, in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference.
If, however, the catcher makes a play and the runner attempting to advance is put out, it is to be assumed there was no actual interference and that runner is out--not the batter. Any other runners on the base at the time may advance as the ruling is that there is no actual interference if a runner is retired. In that case play proceeds just as if no violation had been called.
If a batter strikes at a ball and misses and swings so hard he carries the bat all the way around and, in the umpire's judgment, unintentionally hits the catcher or the ball in back of him on the backswing before the catcher has securely held the ball, it shall be called a strike only (not interference). The ball will be dead, however, and no runner shall advance on the play.

7.09
It is interference by a batter or a runner when --
(a) After a third strike he hinders the catcher in his attempt to field the ball;

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

Don't see anything in there that says there has to be contact for it to be interference, Cubs homer announcers.

by mikedallas23 on Aug 17, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

In the credit-where-credit-is-due department, gotta admit that Hill has a NASTY curve ball. This is quite the pitcher's duel.

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Rich Hill

He's a great pitcher. Surprising it took him so long to adjust to MLB considering how fantastic his minor league numbers were.

Damn, nice catch by Jones, too. That would've been at least a double.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh man...

Did Brendan almost take him deep?

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice catch Jones

Nice job Jones, I will give him credit too.

BTW I know that what Pujols was doing has no affect on the throw and that Ryan not holding on was the main problem, it is just annoying that Cubs get one way and the Cards get the other on the same call regardless of what else was happening.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

damn the wind

That was a great catch. I thought that was at least an RBI-double.

by jdub176 on Aug 17, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dang it

Ryan gave that one a ride, tough luck. He's got a surprising bit of pop given his minor league numbers.

by mikedallas23 on Aug 17, 2007 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Molina

Had Ryan's ball hit off the wall what are the odds Molina scores even with two outs?

by paCardsFan on Aug 17, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think the expression goes...

"Slim to none. And Slim just rode outta town."

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Slim AND None.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

love Ludwick

Great D from him

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ludwick

Two very good plays in left today.

Hopefully Juan is watching.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This Inning

We break out. It'd be nice to see Ludwick carry some mo from his defensive play to the plate.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow

What a battle...

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pitcher status through 5

IBB: Ramirez (by Looper).
Pitches-strikes: Looper 78-42, Hill, R 88-56.
Ground outs-fly outs: Looper 7-4, Hill, R 2-7.
Batters faced: Looper 17, Hill, R 18.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Last three hitters

Hit Loop a little hard (into outs, yes, but pretty hard hit outs).

I don't know how much longer we want to keep him in there (besides trying to keep our quality start streak running).

by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pitch count low though

Hmm, his pitch count is pretty low though. Maybe I just suck at this.

by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

pitching

How long to the whole rotation is below 5 in the era department

by zolak16 on Aug 17, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

OK...

3rd time through the order...let's hope our boys can put it together.

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sixth Inning

That's when Hill lost it last time out.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like

He's dealing today, though. Get 'im, Hombre.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not this time.

filthy change to Eck.

by paCardsFan on Aug 17, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Urk.

Hill is dealing.

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow, hill's stuff is really, really good

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by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Looper hit hard last inning

but not that surprising. Per espn:

Pitches 76-90:

BAA:.371
OBP: .408
SLG: .629

by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

EL HOMBRE!!!!

Take that!

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

PUJOLS!

Good Job AP!

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

PUJOLS!!!!!!

Woot!

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pujols!

He had that look last time up (after that low inside first pitch) and just got a single. I guess he was just saving it for later.

by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh yes, ALBERTO!

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

YARD

hopefully that does a lidge on hill for the rest of the game

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by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

107 Pitches

And he is due up first so I bet he is out.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Crazy

They should've batted him 8th.

Guess Piniella wants to get him a "W".

Blech.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In light of above discussion...

...I wouldn't be adverse to going to Springer here

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

But Loop is almost certain to stay out there....

...I just think he's prone to the gopher right now.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Attaboy, Bert!

w00t, cubkiller!

by martin on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

is that all for hill?

107 pitches

by jeff abs on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

"rich looking for that put-away pitch...

...that's not it." gotta love the kasper call!

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I must admit

I like these cubs announcers...certainly preferable to Dan and Al

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great work, Juan

Way to be patient and wait to make an out on that 2nd pitch. <rolls eyes>

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If he never starts again for us

I'd be thrilled. I wouldn't wish him on my worst enemy.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I would

namely I hope he goes to play in Boston, on New York.

by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

OK Loop

Carve them up this inning and then you can go take a shower.

by ZiggyG on Aug 17, 2007 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lou sure doesn't like his bullpen

Not pinch hitting for Hill after 107 pitches????

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Drag bunt

to top it off.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Short leash!

With The Riot on, if Looper doesn't get a DP here, I get that bullpen up already.

Lee and Ramirez against a tiring looper is scary.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Please tell me someone's warming up...

by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

2-1 Cubs on a HUNG curveball.

Let the implosion begin.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Apparently

Loop went one inning too long.

C70 at the Bat

by Cardinal70 on Aug 17, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Man if Eck were 5 inches taller...

...he would've had them. DAMN SMURF!

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jacque Jones is a lowball hitter

and we keep throwing him sinkers.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And he puts it

In the bleachers.

What a waste.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Crap

You called it, unfortunately.

by mikedallas23 on Aug 17, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Except

that pitch was up - and a ball according to gameday.

by enoscountry on Aug 17, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was a curve

that was hung like a Rembrandt.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Knew that was coming

Damn, knew it was coming.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

D'oh

by stl tyler on Aug 17, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ballgame.

Our bats aren't showing up at all today.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 17, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Neither

Were the Cubs until a coupla minutes ago. Have a little heart, eh?

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

eh?

cubs have given up 167 runs after the 6th inning, in 120 games, their bullpen is not great...

by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They'll throw Marmol, Ohman and Dempster

our only hope is against Dempster.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Between those three

17 ER in 36 innings post all-star...the numbers are even worse for the whole season...
If you take 19/36 as the probability we don't score a run in a given inning, the chance of us not scoring in three innings is like 14%....
Lots of time boys, lots of time...

by duncansarmy on Aug 17, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doh

Tony shoulda listened to JMedwick.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I knew Loop would give up a HR

I just knew it...and I know it's unorthodox to take your starter out after 5 shutout innings, but that, I think, would've given us the best chance to win

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Looper hasn't be able to find the strikezone

for 2 innings, which tells you just HOW BAD the Cubs hitters are. He was running out of gas midway through the 4th and now he is absolute toast.

And there is the walk to Lee.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ok Tony...

Enough of this experiment.

by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

C'mon, Tony

Pull him already.

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Really

Let's keep this close, if at all possible.

C70 at the Bat

by Cardinal70 on Aug 17, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Still pitching...

and to A-Ram? I see thing ending badly.

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

*this

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Line Drive

But Juan was there, breathing a bit easier now but still on edge till this inning ends.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whew.

Glad that liner found a glove.

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I can still hear Looper saying...

Never break the chain.

by LilEck on Aug 17, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I take it back

let's get some fresh blood in to keep this one under control.

by LilEck on Aug 17, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe Tony's been reading veb...

..and wants to keep our streaks alive of quality starts and pitchers going at least 6

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and

the streaks continue....the cost? Winning this freakin' game

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

GRRRRRRR

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

c'mon

let's keep it close, zombies! i like our chances with their bullpen.

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jones=Encarnacion?

The way they feel about him and his production and the way we feel about Juan, sound similar?

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If Juan could ever get hot like Jones it

then maybe. Plus, Jones is a better defender.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jones n' Enc

When the Cubs signed Jones, I was so relieved and happy. I didn't want the Cards to sign him and thought the Cubs were foolish for picking him up for so many years and so much money.

Then two or three days later, the Cards signed Encarnacion to virtually the same contract and I stopped grinning.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Murton's going to crush one

and make this 4-1.

Ugh.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wheew

Love the wind blowing in.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

grr...

Well Tony is giving Looper all the rope he needs to hang himself.

Lets see if Looper can get out of this. But we all know that Looper should be out of the game in short order...

by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

well

It may not have been a pretty way to end it but it did end.

by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Surely

He won't start the seventh.

(Of course he won't. And don't call me Shirley.)

C70 at the Bat

by Cardinal70 on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's hear it...

...for Loop getting out the right way - with a QS under his belt.

by LilEck on Aug 17, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know that I've ever been this disappointed

in a quality start.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ok Tony

Time to let Loop hit the showers. Gave us a good start.

by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ladies and Gentlemen...

That's another quality start by Looper.

Go get 'em Redbirds!

Cheering on the Cardinals, one pitch at a time.

by ColinMacLeod on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

<starts breathing again>

Guess Tony got his wish and let Looper keep the Quality Start streak alive. That coulda been BAD.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Alright

We kept the quality start streak alive, now lets work on that win streak. If they want to keep the blow-out streak alive too, that alright with me.

by ZiggyG on Aug 17, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

well the good news is their bullpen sucks ass

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bad news is

we can't seem to hit.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Breaking the bullpen

After such a stellar start by Hill would be especially demoralizing, too.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

glad to see we're making hill earn it

by jeff abs on Aug 17, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

8 pitch inning

jeebus

by jeff abs on Aug 17, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

8 pitch inning

n/t

by dralexp on Aug 17, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wow

that was quick.

"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 17, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this sucks....

learn how to hit a lefty, ya bastards. this is going to be an ugly series, with 2 more lefties on the way.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 17, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I know

I think I am going to have to agree. If we don't come back to win this one, it could be an ugly series if we can't start hitting some lefties.

Let's hope we can get something against their bullpen.

by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is there any chance, Loop is out there for the 7th

w/ the pitcher's spot up next? Pleas say no, please say no, please say no....

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

who cares

game is over.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wonderful attitude

fans like you give fans a bad name, being down 2-1 is not hard to overcome with their bullpen.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Boooooo

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't try

to figure this game out.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

Thanks for the positive energy.

by ZiggyG on Aug 17, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

heh

You said that when the Cards were trailing the Brewers 6-0 a couple weeks ago, as well as the other day when they were down 3-0.

They won both games.

by jdub176 on Aug 17, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Next inning

Lead off with Ankiel or Miles?

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Flores is in

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bunting for a leadoff basehit

Two innings in a row? Thanks, Cubs!

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

TLR

Flores should not face righties.

You've been warned.

Future Redbirds

by azruavatar on Aug 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Um guys...

Hill was at 107 pitches after 6 and now at 115 through 7. If we want to get into their bullpen, we have to make hill work...

by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Where's Dusty?

Future Redbirds

by azruavatar on Aug 17, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well I thought

in Bristol, Connecticut

but maybe he is still in the Cubs Dugout in Wriggly, cutting Lou's phone line to the pen.

by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's out now

Lets just hope we can do something now.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

a pujols homerun....

is going to tie it or give us the lead.

by lindqja on Aug 17, 2007 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hill out...

We're into their bullpen for the 8th...

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice work, Randy

See, guys? Flores does fine when there aren't any inherited runners that can score. ;-)

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Time

to make their move...

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice quote from BCB

"double switching 2B again with Cedeno

you know if he ever starts with Z or Marquis it would be the time for the La Russa lineup"

True enough too, Z and Marquis are good hitters, kinda like Wells and Waino (though he has looked bad lately)

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

C'mon Dunc...

Get on base for us...

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Crud

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Holy Crap

Those were a coupla ugly at-bats.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Things that need work:

Brendan Ryan's drag bunt

Future Redbirds

by azruavatar on Aug 17, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think it's time

to fly Mark McGwire up to Chicago, have him wear a disguise and work with Chris on his hitting. He has not looked good for quite some time now.

by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Man

This is not looking good. Can we do it?

Scott Rolen: "He could cover third base AND shortstop." --Renteria

by Andie203 on Aug 17, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Feh.

Bunt pop up outs blow.

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Genius move there Brendan

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 17, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

C'mon Lud!

I mean Ankiel!

Tear the cover off the ball, kid!

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Eck on; here dey come...

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yaay, Eck!

C'mon Ludwick!

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Interesting move...

PHing Ank here.

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm thinking

ph'ing ank, then switching lud and juan in the order. keeping ank in the game in right.

by Birds on the Matt on Aug 17, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

switching Juan and Lud in the Order? you can't change the batting order

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah

ah.. guess he would have had to pull ludwick either way.. other way he coulda done it is put dunc and ank in the outfield, then you're left with an all lefty outfield. my bad.

by Birds on the Matt on Aug 17, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rick-time

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

everything is away to Rick

...if he's going to suceed, he needs to learn how to take a pitch the other way...

OK that pitch was inside...he just missed that one.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Holy crap

Ankiel took a walk!

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Mr. Ank

might be learning discipline OTJ.

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Walked 'im

I cued up the theme song from the Natural for that at-bat.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

C'mon!

PUJOLS! DO IT!

Scott Rolen: "He could cover third base AND shortstop." --Renteria

by Andie203 on Aug 17, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

if you meant pop out

He did.

by dontEATnachos on Aug 17, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he can walk??!?

I didn't no that was in his genetic makeup?

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If I'm the Cubs

I walk Pujols here and pitch to Juan.

by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ughhhh

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can't imagine

AP will get anything to hit.

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sheisse!

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That

Was a let-down.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ouch

A hit would have been real nice there.

C70 at the Bat

by Cardinal70 on Aug 17, 2007 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Albert....

if they are going to walk you, just let them. It was obvious they wouldn't give you anything to hit there.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 17, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You mean

except for that 94 mph heater right down central? Except for that? That was his pitch. He just missed it.

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He should've waited for a pitch he could hit then.

because he clearly wasn't ready for that one.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 17, 2007 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Make up your mind

How can he "let them walk him since they clearly weren't going to give him anything to hit" AND gear up for a 94 fastball over the heart of the plate?

If you're gonna make goofy statements, at least COMMIT to them. We'll respect that a little more...

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dammit.

That was our best shot, right there.

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

um, they're just setting up

rolen's 9th-inning heroics, right?

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

Rolen is heating up and he's due for a heroic moment at the plate, especially after his plays at 3rd yesterday.

Scott Rolen: "He could cover third base AND shortstop." --Renteria

by Andie203 on Aug 17, 2007 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For those watching the game

Did Albert get himself out chasing a pitch?

by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

not at all

it was a fastball in the middle of the plate. he just popped it up.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No

he tried to pull a pitch that was away and popped it up.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tip of the cap

Tip of the cap to Pinella...I would have made Juan beat me...but he let Howry go right at AP and it paid off.

by WizardofOz on Aug 17, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No, way

Walk the bases loaded in a 2-1 game? That'd be nuts. Even when it's Albert at the plate.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you just can't put the go ahead run on second...

...I don't care who's at the plate - you just can't do that

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can't let AP beat you

Dispite the recent offensive outburst by the Cards, if I'm playing them I go into a game/series with the mentality that I will not let Albert beat us, no matter what. I agree that normally you don't walk a guy in this situation. However, in this case it was AP at the plate, who had already homered, and Juan behind him who had not even played in a week. I walk him and take my chances with Kendell blocking a WP.

by WizardofOz on Aug 17, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well, that's the game

Encarnacion, Edmonds, Rolen?

1 pitch popup
Lazy flyball to left
Strikeout swinging

Good night everybody.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Or

Broken bat single to right
line out to second
2-R HR.

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha.

Are you watching the same game I am?

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

H-Core

Following along on Gameday; pics not available to me @ work.

Faith-Based, I know, I know!!

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd have faith

if Albert Pujols and Brendan Ryan weren't the only two players to hit the ball hard today.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just means

that everyone else is due. Here we go, big inning!

Scott Rolen: "He could cover third base AND shortstop." --Renteria

by Andie203 on Aug 17, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Every at bat

is a new chance. (I sound like my dad talking to me in Little League at 9 yrs. old).

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That

is not a good attitude to have. Have faith!

Scott Rolen: "He could cover third base AND shortstop." --Renteria

by Andie203 on Aug 17, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good job, Russ!

Way to hold 'em.

Let's go, Clutchy McClutchenheimer!

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

When

did they call McClutchenheimer up? Is he out of options?

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Juan "Mr. Clutch" Encarnacion

sure didn't add a whole lot to our game today.

At least Ankiel saw plenty of pitches and took a walk. <sigh>

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Glad

They're using Dempster instead of Marmol.

Head to head:

Encarneasada: 1-10 (He's Due!)
Edwards: 7-21, 2 2b, HR (Hits him pretty hard!)
ScoRo: 6-26, 2 2b, HR (Hits him pretty hard!)

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

here goes dempster....

a homerun by juan would be sweet right about now

by lindqja on Aug 17, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dempster's in

Our odds just went up a little...

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'll take...

three "core" players vs. Dempster any day...

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 17, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Drat.

Well hit, at least.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ohhhh....

hit it pretty hard...Drat.

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by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

1st pitch,

Scotty. OY.

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

All right, JEd

Give us one for the ages...

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You know...

a pair of losses like this back to back would be real killers.

by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

please

let's not already concede tomorrow's game. we said we'd be in good shape if we went 5-2 on this swing through milwaukee and chicago. while i agree this is a frustrating loss, we've come a long way. let's go get'em tomorrow! (and leave juan at the hotel)

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hardcore

was right, and I hate him for that. (Drags LL jersey in ground as he walks his bike home).

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm not happy about it

but with those 3, you've got almost zero bat speed against a pretty hard thrower. Not going to mix in a bunch of breaking pitches for you to punish.

Just have to win the next 3 (which won't be easy).

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 17, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Personally

I think the pitching matchups, if not in our favor, are fairly even the next three games.

This was the one I was really concerned about.

C70 at the Bat

by Cardinal70 on Aug 17, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I know.

Sometimes it just ain't right to be right...

"Don't try to figure this game out"--S. Rolen

by glennrwordman on Aug 17, 2007 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

that sucks. hard.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good game, Little Bears

Well fought. That was quite a duel.

Let's hope we have 3 more just like it (but with the scoring reversed, naturally).

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You've got to hand it to 'em...

that was some good pitching.

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 17, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah

hill was a beast today

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Hill came up big for them. But Looper did as well for us, it just came down to having a guy on base for them when they got a HR as opposed to our's being a solo shot.

Not much to hang your head down on for today's game.

by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LaRussa should implement...

a dual starter tandem for Looper's starts. Looper gets 60 pitches and two times through the rotation, then Wellemeyer comes in for a change of pace...

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 17, 2007 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Or how about eliminating his starts alltogether

in exchange for Mulder two weeks from now.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 17, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I want

some of what you're smoking.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno...

I'll start counting on Mulder after he starts pitching effectively... He's starting from square one.

As for Looper, he's really good early on, then he falls off a cliff. If you have the stones to bat the pitcher 8th, why not combine Looper-Wellemeyer to the benefit of both?

Ease LaDunketty out gently, thank him profusely, and... Hire Antonetti!!!

by guayzimi on Aug 17, 2007 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not looper's fault

he gave us a quality start and a good chance to win. our offense just couldn't put anything together against hill.

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

How funny is it...

that the guy that won it for the Cubbies is the guy they tried desperately to dump from the roster?

Thanks a lot, Bud! <grumble>

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and unfortunately

the guy we all wanted to dump went 0-4.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 17, 2007 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bright side

Hey, at least our Pythagorean didn't get hosed up.

Seriously, though. That was a great game, well pitched. No more Angel Hernandez behind the plate.

Like the matchup tomorrow. Hopefully Big Z will rest on his laurels now that he's gotten his big contract on Sunday and we'll be looking at the chance for 3-4 on Monday, which would make for a damned good road trip.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'll even

settle for a split. With a month left to play I still will feel good with a 5-2 road trip and loosing 2 to the Cubs. But we will have to win at least 2 here at Wrigley!

by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

per earlier discussion re: which outfielders

to start, today's starting outfield (lud, enc, jed) went 0-11.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Aug 17, 2007 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Indeed.

The only outfielder to get on base was Ankiel with his PH walk.

But when you only get 4 hits all game, that 0-11 really isn't very surprising.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 17, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I say play the Gooch tomorrow

unless the wind is blowing out.

by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well if the team doesn't hit

it makes the rest pretty academic.

better hope for better from our outfielders offensively tomorrow.

by JMedwick on Aug 17, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

More Good News

Just saw that Matthew Leach named Kozma organizational player of the day for his big day yesterday that has brought his rate stats up to .295/.358/.475.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Out of spite

Do we root for the Brewers tonight? Arroyo's been a yo-yo since mid-July, shutout starts alternating with fugly blowups. If the pattern holds, he'll be putting up zeroes tonight.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good question

I will still root for the Brewers to lose to keep us closer to 1st.

But I really hope we can come back and win at least 2 games this series, if not we sure did the Cubs a HUGE favor this week and that would be sickening.

by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No.

While the Cards are still alive, you have to root against every team ahead of us.

by birdjam on Aug 17, 2007 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tough call

I think I will go with the Brewers. Better them in first place than the Cubs. I happen to live in Cubs territory and I don't want to listen to gloating from the Cubs fans I know. I've gotten no grief from them ever since the Cards won the WS (they have been strangely silent, h'um?) and a taste of first place, solo style, would be all it would take to start them up again.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but won't it be much more fun

to take first place away from the Cubs, rather than the Brewers?

"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 17, 2007 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A very good point

I hadn't thought of it like that, but, yes, it would be WAY more fun.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not really

Brewers win = we're 3.5 back
Brewers lose = we're 3.0 back

For me, that's an easy call. Go Reds!

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 17, 2007 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Games like this are why Tony drives me crazy...

Putting low OBP guys in front of Pujols.

I guess I can understand playing Ludwick, he's been on something of a hot streak lately. But why bat him 2nd? He rarely walks. Especially against lefties.

Why not go with Ryan 2nd? Or Rolen? Or even Juan? He normally doesn't walk much, but has done so pretty good vs Lefties this. And it probably would make more sense than batting him 4th after his layoff, where he would be under more pressure.

I realize hindsite is 20/20, but in low scoring games, even a 5% chance (the difference between a .300 OBP and .350) can be big.

by DiscoJer on Aug 17, 2007 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

aye

except that ludwick's OBP is .357 in his last 100 at bats. Still, Rolen is a better choice for #2 hitter right now.

here's an exciting bit of info about Brendan Ryan: he's currently #14 in MLB for VORP out of rookies (in only 83 at bats). I know he can't be as good as he's looked so far, but it's awesome seeing his name on a list above guys like Saltalamacchia, alex gordon, etc...

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=205449

"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 17, 2007 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

New ESPN Power Rankings

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/powerranking

Cardinals 12th up from 23rd
Cubs 13th down from 12th
Brewers stay at 18th

Nice jump up on the rankings but I think they may be off a bit too much I would say we rank around 18th or so.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Rankings this month

So far this month Cards rank in the NL:

2nd to Washington in ERA 3.79 (San Diego is 3rd)
14th in SOs with 89
5th in BAA .260
1st in BBs with 33 (Cubs last with 72)
4th in OPS against with .741
1st in WHIP with 1.24
1st in SB allowed with 4

tied for 8th in HR with 17
tied for 8th with the Cubs in RBIs with 72
9th in OPS with .782 (Cubs 10th with .780)
9th in Ks with 106 and only 10th in BBs with 52

Also I checked season fielding percentage stats, we are first in 3B, worst in RF and second worst in SS and 7th for LF,CF 6th for 1B and lastly 11th for C,P.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think SS and RF

are the two defensive weaknesses we CAN fix.
Tony needs to memorize writing R Y A N and A N K I E L on the line-up card.
When Dunc is in left, you just sigh and say he is in there for his bat. I can't say that anymore about either Eck or Enc.
With our pitching staff, defense is elevated in importance. Ryan MUST play, and at SS, no less. If Tony insists on starting Eck, put the little squirt on 2b.

by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gorram FOX Saturday baseball

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/5619630

Cards-Cubs to a mere 26% of the country. This is one of those times I hate living in an AL city.

Cheering on the Cardinals, one pitch at a time.

by ColinMacLeod on Aug 17, 2007 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Let me guess

Yankees vs. Tigers for 74% of the country?

I had to laugh last weekend when Baseball tonight had like 10 minutes focused on the Yankees and about 45 seconds for the Cards when they whipped the Dodgers.

by KYCards on Aug 17, 2007 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was a little unnerving last night

With the attention the Cards were getting on BBTN and SC last night. A phone interview with TLR and everything! I'm sure Viña is happy to talk about the Cards whenever he gets a chance.

Last week I had to deal with the insolence of FOX when my dad in Atlanta getting Dodgers-Cards while I was faced with Red Sox-Orioles (Orioles!!) here in Seattle.

Cheering on the Cardinals, one pitch at a time.

by ColinMacLeod on Aug 17, 2007 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wasn't able to watch most of this game

But through what I watched, I saw 2 ABs by Juan Encarnacion. In these 2 ABs, he saw a grand total of three pitches.

I've never really been for or against the guy, to me he's about as average as average comes. We could do worse with someone else, but he could certainly be improved upon.

If he was being given a final audition for his job today, I would have to think he lost it.

by stl tyler on Aug 17, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

May I say only this?

In the upper right hand side of the page, under Menu, there is a quizzical, "Why El Birdos?" link. This afternoon offered an answer. After such a tough, disappointing loss, you either can go to the Post-Dispatch's Cards Talk for solace, or come to El Birdos. As I am new to El Birdos, I can only say this: What in the world was I ever doing wasting my time with the immature and hysterical bed-wetters there?

I'll try not to mess up the place here.

You guys offered much-needed perspective and even a little hope that not only was the season not lost in the single afternoon, but hey, after all, after the past eight days, this game even mattered!

My only weakness as an otherwise level-headed forum poster is that I think Jim Hayes is creepy. And I happen to like Dan McLaughlin as a broadcaster.

by LTSmash on Aug 17, 2007 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i wholeheartedly agree.

i've been reading veb since mid-season last year, but just recently created an account. i still venture over to the p-d boards out of curiosity from time to time, but am quickly reminded why i'm so grateful for this site (besides the insightful analysis of lboros and the gang).

and after checking out bleed cubbies bleed, i am even more appreciative of the quality of this site's posts and the stringent enforcement of community guidelines.

thanks to all!

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So true

They can be vicious over there at BCB - to each other! And some (notice I did not say all) of them seem to truly loathe all things Cardinal, including Cardinal fans. Thankfully, there are standards here and they are enforced.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 17, 2007 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice!

Finally I won't be alone in my defense of Dan and Al!

by Jhusk on Aug 18, 2007 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Suppan's downfall

I am watching the Brewer's game right now on Gameday, how far has Sup fallen that he allows a lead off Double to Arroyo who has a season average of .094.

Anyway, besides defense, what has made him seem less effective this year than last? Maybe it is an outside perspective or maybe I am just imagining it but he seems to get beat up on more often nowadays then he did with us, I miss Sup though he was always fun to watch in an interview.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Having just watched the series against the

Brewers, that defense has to hurt the pitching staff. There were so many balls that they should have had and didn't--they never got near the ball, and official scorers won't give errors on should have caughts. He's getting older, the Brewers fell in love with him because he always pitched well against THEM.......I think they really wanted him for his playoff experience because they felt they were ready to make the run this year.

by jillsinmo on Aug 17, 2007 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds reasonable

Kind of what I was thinking.

Just watch an awesome Brandon Phillips AB against Supp, ended in a 10 pitch walk.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soup should sue his defense

for lack of support. It would have more credence than many other court cases.

by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cardnilly Standard

A "Good Game" by Suppan was considered a 6IP, 3ER performance. He went 5.2IP, 3ER today—we would have been happy enough with that day's work.

Suppan's value is that he can give you those kinds of starts once every five days, all season long, then turn it up a notch in late September and October.

Looper did better than that today and there's nobody around here complaining that he didn't give us a chance to win. The lineup didn't score enough runs and perhaps you could fault Tony with leaving Looper in a batter too long, but Looper did more than enough to help the team today.

Soup did enough to help his team win. Cornroyo-yo is just having one of his good games and the bullpen isn't keeping it close (aside from that strikeout of Hamilton.)

Arroyo, though, has only needed 68 pitches to get through 6 innings. That's insane. It looks like the Cubs are gonna be in sole possession at the top tomorrow morning. Good thing we have something to say about that tomorrow afternoon.

One more thing about Suppan... The Brewers better hope he has a great season next year. His contract goes bananas in 2009 and a no-trade clause goes into effect. Signing him would look good if they could move him after next year.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

More weird stuff

Griffey just hit a ball to Braun, Braun tried to force out the runner that was on first but threw the ball into RF. That runner scored from first, Griffey then scored on the throwing error form the RFer Gross. Weird play from what I can tell on gameday, I hope it is in the top plays replay later tonight.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

With Estrada at the plate

That may have been a tough error on Gross... Hope to see that one replayed as well.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

gross's throw

wasn't to estrada. it was supposed to be to the shortstop covering second in an attempt to get griffey. but it sailed way wide and allowed griffey to get the little league version of an inside-the-park home run. the brewers are unraveling fast.

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh, and

it will definitely be on the highlight reel tonight!

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

Can't wait to see that one. You'd think someone could find the ball in the infield before Griffey went from second to home.

Was there a play at the plate, even?

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

they would have if

the ball was in the infield...but when gross rushed his throw, it went way wide into no-man's land between 3rd and left field, like where the ball boys sit. hardy, near second, dove for it but couldn't cut it off.

and since the shift was on (braun fielded the grounder in shortstop territory), jenkins couldn't get over there to retrieve it to even make an attempt to get griffey at the plate. what a mess!

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Two errors, two runs.....is Soup still on the

mound? That explains a lot of the won-loss record. A lot of the misplays don't show up in the box scores either. The Brewers have almost all home grown talent--they must not put a premium on defense, or even a requirement that it be played. They should petition Selig to put them in the AL so they can use all their sluggers as DH's.....without the pain of watching them play the field.

by jillsinmo on Aug 17, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No he was off

Shouse was on, but yeah looks odd to me.

by StLHugo on Aug 17, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brewers (back) to AL

That would be funny.

I wish the Royals would have switched to the NL instead.

Something I'll be rooting for tonight:

That the White Sox get a lead against Seattle so that Bobby Jenks has a chance to break Jim Barr's consecutive batters retired streak.

Not that I have anything against the Mariners... Just want to see a record get broken and be happy about it.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

gotta love solo home runs

might be a good time to get the bullpen going though...

"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 17, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

89 pitches for 29 batters

I guess with that kind of efficiency you're going to see some hittable strikes.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Am I the only one that completely missed this?

Brandon Webb pitched his third straight complete game shutout tonight and has now thrown 42 straight scoreless innings. I remember Hershiser's streak of 59 innings in the 80's and how unbelievable that was. Webb's obviously got a ways (two more complete games) to go, but wow.

I've been pretty busy with a move and work stuff, but I'm surprised I had absolutely no idea this streak was going on.

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 17, 2007 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Last NL Pitcher

To win consecutive Cy Young awards was also a Diamondback.

Brandon Webb's one of my favorite pitchers to watch (especially in the game earlier this season that I was in the stands for when Looper beat 'im)—he's deserving of winning it again, I'd say. Even though a part of me thinks Carp should have gotten it last year.

by liam on Aug 17, 2007 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought Oswalt should have won it last year,

and that Carp was probably a close second just ahead of Webb (and that there's no reason Hoffman was #2 in voting except that a lot of people voted on his career and the saves record).

But 42 innings is pretty amazing, as is 3 straight complete game shutouts. I'll be rooting for him to keep both streaks going on his next start, especially since it looks like it'll be against Milwaukee on Wednesday....

by BTown Birds fan on Aug 17, 2007 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love watching Oswalt.......

he has this tight little grin he tries to suppress whenever the batter swings over one of his pitches. He'll get his Cy Young someday.

by jillsinmo on Aug 18, 2007 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like the way Webb's nose slopes

downward, and the intense eyes of a hawk. the quintessential pitcher.

by CurtFlood on Aug 18, 2007 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brandon Webb's next start

comes Wednesday night at home against Jeff Suppan and your punchless Milwaukee Brewers. Shall we go for 49, then, and make it very interesting?

by LTSmash on Aug 18, 2007 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not sure what hardcore predicted

but i said last night lets not forget what happened last time they were hot and went into chi...was called a buzz killer...

hopefully tommorrow starts a new streak

07 Cards more drama than a daytime soap

by punchinjudy on Aug 17, 2007 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

brewers freefall continues,

cubs in sole possession of first place. let's make their reign short-lived, shall we?

by acham8206 on Aug 17, 2007 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Your PJ Walters update

August 17, 2007 - The Springfield Cardinals and San Antonio Missions split a double-header on Friday night in San Antonio, as Springfield took the first game 2-1, then got blanked 1-0 in game two.

P.J. Walters tossed five scoreless innings of two-hit baseball in game one, as he won for the second time in five Double-A starts. Walters (2-3), who didn't allow a hit until Will Venable singled to open the fourth, struck out three and walked just one man.

He didn't get a ton of run support, but Colby Rasmus did give him the lead just one batter into the game. Rasmus homered to right field to lead off the game, tying Aaron Herr's single-season record of 21 home runs to give the Cards a 1-0 lead.

Go get 'em, kid.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 18, 2007 2:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

5 wins in a row... streak broken

Best time to start a new one. We really got shutdown Friday afternoon...

The curse of the left-handed pitching? The curse of breaking up the team line-up (Mr. No-hustle Encarnacion... for all his production, does the team not like the guy?)

Is anyone keeping track of the two-leader-off-hitter "expirement?" How many extra runs has this scored us?

by redbird2006in on Aug 18, 2007 2:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs