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4.5 games back. Hitting and pitching resurrected

Kip Wells continues to rise from the dead, and puts together another decent outing.  Considering that it looked like he completely unraveled in the first inning, it's all the more amazing that he was able to get his act together and put a decent game in the books, but that seems to be exactly what he did.  In fact, it seems like the entire Cardinals pitching staff has been abducted by aliens, who have decided to grace us by replacing them with robots designed to pitch baseballs.  Since Joel Piñeiro has made his first start with the Cardinals, the team's starters have gone from allowing a .795 OPS with a 1.61 K/BB ratio against opposing hitters to allowing a .671 OPS with a 4.2 K/BB ratio, per the baseball musings day to day database.  Most ridiculously, Kip Wells has gone from his MLB  worst first half ERA of 5.92 to having a 3.63 ERA in the second half, increasing his K/BB ratio from 1.5 to 1.9.  

Some of this is clearly due to facing the relatively light hitting Dodgers and Padres in the last seven games, and some of it might just be some sort of midseason blurp that will soon get swallowed up by the overall regression to the mean, but I still think that there is some reality to it.  In particular, aside from Looper, it doesn't look like the current guys in the rotation are winning games with smoke and mirrors--Wainwright is throwing that big curveball, Wells and Piñeiro are showing really great movement on their pitches, and Reyes is still changing speeds and hiding that changeup very effectively.  And the team seems to have not given up when they get behind, all of a sudden.  

Just look at last night--I still got my feeling of dread when Wells took the mound and immediately proceeded to cough up two home runs and three runs, but instead of pulling his first half routine of crumbling horribly and allowing endless gopherballs to end up in the Brewers' bullpen, he got out of the inning, and proceeded to put five zeroes on the board, giving the offense time to work.  

I doubt that everyone in the rotation is going to continue to show this level of effectiveness, and I would assume that their August walk rate is not sustainable (10 BB in 248 AB), but I really do think that the pitching staff that we've seen in August is a bit closer to the rotation's actual ability than the one that we've been seeing for most of the year.  

Finally, I just wanted to mention that, since Tony has started batting the pitcher in the eighth slot against Washington on the 4th, the team has gone from hitting at a .270/.335/.399 rate to hitting at a .303/.374/.429 clip.  Obviously, that increase can't be attributed solely to having the pitcher bat one spot up, but several analyses by our patron have indicated that, in fact, it does make sense to shift the entire lineup up by one person, and have that pitcher bat in the eighth spot.  This was in the context of the 2004 Cardinals, and their mega-lineup, but perhaps the logic makes sense in general.  If Tony keeps it up, and the team offense stays this solid, I wonder if other teams will try and follow Tony's lead, because I would love to have more data to evaluate whether or not this actually is a workable lineup over the long run.

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I think batting the pitcher 8th makes some sense as long as you have a dominant hitter like Albert in the 3 hole. Of course it doesn't hurt that two of our pitchers (Wells and Wagonmaker) are hitting about as well as our 2nd basemen anyway :)

Also have to 2nd your props for Wells, I thought this guy was done at the end of June but he's found a way to turn it around. He's got a better than 2:1 K:BB ratio for July and August so it's not just him getting lucky either.

by mikedallas23 on Aug 15, 2007 11:09 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The K:BB ratio
This can be directly attributed to him walking 1 batter over the last 2 outings.  He walked 5 against  Washington on 8/3 and somehow only gave up 2 ER in 6 innings.

I like the last 2 starts much better - and last night he didn't face a AAAA lineup, either.

by silent_bob on Aug 15, 2007 11:15 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wells
I've compared his numbers since the bullpen demotion over at my blog, and his last 10 outings have been very strong on the whole, even including the blowup in Philadelphia after the All-Star Game.

Personally, I think they need to sign him to an extension before the season is over.

by Cardinal70 on Aug 15, 2007 11:22 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

an extension ???
he's had a good couple of weeks, and it's certainly timely and "about time."

But an "extension" ????

by CurtFlood on Aug 15, 2007 7:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If he strings together a few more starts like this
and doesn't want too much, I wouldn't mind seeing him back in 2008, as either our #5 or the swingman that goes out of the rotation if/when Carp returns.

by Valatan on Aug 15, 2007 7:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wells....
I gotta admit, I thought the game was over in the first. Wells had given up 2 massive homeruns, his shoulders were slumped, it looked like he was going to into "Woe is me" mode. Instead, however, he came out in the 2nd and started dealing. The offense found a groove (thanks in part to Mr. Wells clutch hitting), and the uber-rookie Ryan Braun was defeated by his kryptonite, fielding (although, in fairness to Braun, that ball was tagged and took a bad hop on him, I wouldn't of been surprised if they gave Scottie a hit).

But hey, we started our last road trip off with a win, and things went down hill fast after that, lets hope for better fortunes this time around.

- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 15, 2007 11:10 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HR's
I actually thought the pitch on the first homer wasn't that bad, but with a guy like Fielder up there you can make decent pitches and still get beat sometimes. The Jenkins pitch, on the other hand, was pretty bad.

by mikedallas23 on Aug 15, 2007 11:16 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

On TV
I swear I saw Kip Wells actually pump his fist and show some emotion in the dugout after the offensive outburst.  I couldn't believe my eyes. August has been like the Twilight Zone.

In other observations, Ankiel looked overmatched against the lefties last night and he misplayed that ball badly in right.  But wow, what an arm!  

by silent_bob on Aug 15, 2007 11:11 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was a cannon
I had been looking forward to the first time he showed it off. Hopefully the next time he gets to fire one in won't be necessary only b/c he was doing cartwheels while en route to the ball.

Good game all around last night, boys. Make it 3 1/2 tonight!

Boooo-urns.

by Alxfritz on Aug 15, 2007 11:15 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at the game last night
sitting in the bleachers in right just behind Ankiel and he almost made that play look really good, but instead it looked really bad. Man that was a really good throw though. The first inning was hard to watch, but it was amazing how quiet the park got in the 5th inning.

That was my first game at Miller Park and it is a really nice park. Not as nice as being at Busch III, but it is 4 hours closer to my house so I can deal with it a couple times a year. The parking lot is very nice.

by stl4all on Aug 15, 2007 11:31 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

parking lot
That's what I always look for in a ballpark.  Forget sightlines, give me a nice parking lot any day.  :)

Seriously though, I've been to Miller Park.  It is a nice park, and their parking lot is actually pretty convenient.  Still, it's funny that a 3 sentence ballpark review includes a comment on how nice the parking lot is.

by john vb on Aug 15, 2007 11:44 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If
you've ever been to a stadium where the parking is bollocks, then you might move the parking lot's convenience up the list even further!

Here in New York, both Shea and YS are total, utter nightmares to get in and out of.  The city basically threatened people to try and get them to take mass transit (which in both cases drops you almost in the right field bleachers; could not be more convenient).  

by glennrwordman on Aug 15, 2007 11:47 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wisconsiners (Wisconsinites?) (Wisconsinians?)
LOVE their tailgating, though. I'm pretty sure their parking lot is actually a point of pride when discussing Miller park.
Boooo-urns.

by Alxfritz on Aug 15, 2007 11:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

First one was close
AF, they're Wisconsinners.

(This is coming from an Illinoisance.)

"You can't pinch-hit for the number 9 man, because he's your short reliever." Mike Shannon re Aaron Miles, August 5

by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 15, 2007 6:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You'd love
Dodger Stadium.

You might not love...trying to get to Dodger Stadium...but you'd love its parking lot.

by whopperman on Aug 15, 2007 11:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

until it's time to leave
and 30,000 people fight to cut in front of each other to use the one exit lane that's open...

But at least they have a parking lot in LA; in San Diego you pretty much have to drive around until you find a guy with a flag waving you into his driveway.

"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 15, 2007 12:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Petco's Parking may be bad
But I remember back in 2003 when I went to a game at Qualcomm (the game Morris got injured actually) and I thought the parking there was great.  It's like the whole stadium was built smack dab in the middle of a giant parking lot.  According to Google Earth that parking lot measures about 1000 yards x 800 yards at it's widest point.  
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by birds 4 life on Aug 15, 2007 2:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at that game
2003 was the year I visited a ton of parks for Cardinals games.
  • Jupiter, FL for the first three ST games
  • Fenway Park for the extra-inning game where Rolen got hurt (on my 30th birthday)
  • Miller Park a week later for the game Cairo got hurt
  • Qualcomm for the Morris game
  • Wrigley for the 1st game of the day-after-Labor-Day DH
  • Busch for an August Saturday game vs the Phillies
I had also planned on going to Great American, but didn't feel like making the drive down for the Chicago burbs.
Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Aug 15, 2007 2:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think that game in SD..
..was the first away game I went to where there were more fans rooting for the Cardinals than there were rooting for the home team.  Obviously, I've never seen the Cardinals play the Marlins in FLA.
"The two most important things in life: good friends and a strong bullpen." - Bob Gibson

by birds 4 life on Aug 15, 2007 2:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was there too
I used to live in SD and would go all the time to tailgate. It always suprised me how the Cards fans would out number the Pads fans.
...and sometimes it rains...

by capeboda on Aug 15, 2007 3:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At Petco...
you park in Old Town and take the Trolley.  Then go get some Carnitas after the game.

In Chicago, train downtown, and then hop the El.

In Atlanta, MARTA will take you to the nearest hub, and then the Buses have their own lanes directly TO and FROM the main entrance, all part of one fare.  

There are so many wonderful ways to get to these parks that don't involve trying to park downtown.  Hell, even in the Lou, park over at the Casino Queen and Metro-link on over.  Then on the way out, just walk one stop back from the way you're going, and get on the Link before everyone at the Stadium.

by tinstl on Aug 15, 2007 7:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not a problem...
...if you can stay in the Gaslamp or at the Convention Center.  :)

(Unless a freaking train stops and keeps you from going back over to the convention center hotels...)

by whopperman on Aug 16, 2007 1:00 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I always found their parking frustrating
You're driving kind of all over the place and end up nowhere near the stadium.  Then you've got to sit in a huge line to get out.

I actually found that I always had a better parking experience at RFK stadium for Nats games.  You can take the Metro or just park there easily.

by dontEATnachos on Aug 15, 2007 11:51 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry,
I had a very nice view of the field except one pole that I had to look around everytime Ankiel ran in to make a catch. The parking lot comment was due to the fact that I am not very familiar with St. Louis or Milwaukee and I have had a hard time negotiating all of the one way streets trying to get out of StL the couple of times that I have driven there for games. So it was nice to be able to take one left turn out of the lot and be right on the highway.

It was also the first time I got to see the sausage race in person too. That made it all worth it. Go Italian!

by stl4all on Aug 15, 2007 12:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Love it...
I try and catch most of the Cards games in Milwaukee since I work there (couldn't make any in this series though) and even drop in on a random game every so often to feed the "addiction".  With that said, I'm a huge fan of Miller Park.  It's easy to get around, prices are reasonable, parking is great, tailgating is a blast, sausage race, good fans that respect the game.  What's not to love?
"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams

by WiscCard on Aug 15, 2007 2:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep, those one-ways make it tough
I've finally, after six or seven trips, learned my way around pretty much and also know where the $5 garages are (yes, I know that there is some free parking on the street, but I never get there early enough to grab it).

I was at three of the games last week and my niece from CA was at a couple.  She liked the stadium, but commented that food is quite a bit higher than at Anaheim.  Guess you gotta pay for a new stadium somehow, huh?

by ArkansasTravs on Aug 15, 2007 5:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Leaving Las Louis
"I am not very familiar with St. Louis or Milwaukee and I have had a hard time negotiating all of the one way streets trying to get out of StL the couple of times that I have driven there for games."

I live 3 hours from St. Louis and get there about twice a year. The one-ways are okay, and I always get free parking south of the RR tracks, so all that's dandy with me.

What amazes me is the tangle of skyway roads just east of the Mississippi. It's awesome! It's the nuttiest bunch of splitting and merging I've seen anywhere, and it's all up in the air (because of the former railroad lines and maybe swamps).

I don't talk with my mailman much, but a month ago I had mentioned St. Charles, meaning Illinois, and he was thinking St. Charles, MO. Anyway, that got him talking about his days at Fort Leonard Wood and driving back here every month or whatever. The thing that still struck him about St. Louis before anything was that skyway tangle over East St. Louis (does anybody call that "the East Lou"?).

I haven't gotten lost because of that skyway, but it's just freaky to have locals flying by you when you're trying to keep to the speed limit; watch all the route signs; plus check out the Arch and Busch when you're coming into town, and watch them recede in the distance when you're going home. Love it.

"You can't pinch-hit for the number 9 man, because he's your short reliever." Mike Shannon re Aaron Miles, August 5

by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 15, 2007 6:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The tangle
of roads and ramps in the sky always amazes me too.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 15, 2007 8:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh...
If she complains about prices again, just tell her St. Louis uses the extra money to limit the in-stadium rat population.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/stadium-food-vermin-1797567-violations-health

As for the maze of one-way streets...I don't know, I've never driven in downtown St. Louis other than on I-55.  Hooray, Metrolink!

by whopperman on Aug 16, 2007 1:05 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is really stunning
how this offense has produced since lboros's 'watershed' may 13. With no consistenet production from Jimmy and Scottie, somehow the Aaron Mileses, Ryan Ludwicks, and, yes, Juan Encs of the world have come up with clutch hit after clutch hit. I would like to see how our situational hitting has been over the last 3 months. It seems like we often come up with the hits when we need them. Last night,forgotten in the 5th inning onslaught, was the absolutely incredible importance of Ryan Lud's two-out, two-run hit in the  3rd inning. Without those two runs, I doubt Capuono folds so badly in the 5th.

by cardsfaninmass on Aug 15, 2007 11:11 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

absolutely agree
about the Ludwick two-out double. i was at the game, and that hit seemed to suck the joy out of the stadium (yes, geeky Harry Potter dementor reference). even though we were still down a run, the brew crew fans around us seemed uneasy, and it felt like our guys had their guys--especially capuano--right where we wanted them.

by acham8206 on Aug 15, 2007 11:20 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What section were you in?
I was in the right field bleachers section 104.

by stl4all on Aug 15, 2007 11:35 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

section 224
not a very good value--mediocre to poor seats for the money, though any seat is great when the good guys are knocking out 19 hits, right? are you going tonight? we're thinking about it.

by acham8206 on Aug 15, 2007 12:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not tonight.
I am going to be at home painting the bedroom for our little Cardinal fan that is due in another month. I tried to talk my wife into red and white, but she thought that yellow would look better. I will be listening to the game on my XM radio.

Do you live in the area? I met some Cardinal fans at a gas station after the game that were driving six+ hours back to StL at 11:30 last night.

by stl4all on Aug 15, 2007 12:27 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we're in the northern suburbs
in grayslake. the drive to milwaukee is much easier than wrigley. gotta agree with you on the superior parking lots at miller park, too!

we're doing a cardinals room, for our 10-year-old. life-size albert pujols on the wall, framed photos of busch II and III, birds on the bat everywhere you look...i may end up claiming it for myself!

by acham8206 on Aug 15, 2007 1:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Juan
I don't get the whole Juan thing, if he can't play this road trip why not DL him retro to Aug 8th and get another healthy body in here?

by mikedallas23 on Aug 15, 2007 11:18 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone
completely understands the Juan situation; neither the pro-Enc nor the anti-Enc.

by CurtFlood on Aug 15, 2007 7:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't look now
But our postseason odds are up to 6%, the highest since May 5th.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php

by martin on Aug 15, 2007 11:20 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Double from yesterday...
I looked ~noon yesterday, and the pecota prediction was 3.8%...

by duncansarmy on Aug 15, 2007 1:21 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

d'oh
Don't put the link there if you don't want me to look.  I couldn't resist.  For any others, don't bother looking - he's telling the truth.

by john vb on Aug 15, 2007 3:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tonight's game
should be pivotal--it is the one game of the series where it looks like the beermakers have a pitching advantage . . . although gallardo (sp?)did have a terrible outing in his last start and pineiro did pitch well--if the birds can win tonight, a sweep is a great possibility . . . ahhh it would be great to give those cub's fans at bleed cubbie blue something to cry about in the offseason--in their game thread last night a couple of the posters actually gave up on their beloved small bears for the season . . . that makes me smile
Here's to the hopeful resurection of the MV3

by SprfldCards on Aug 15, 2007 11:20 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kip
was solid last night and the defense wasn't bad either.  I thought that Robert K. Wells was done after his disastrous start against Kansas City, but I'm glad that he has turned it around.  

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 15, 2007 11:21 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was at PNC watching the Bucs/PondScum
game and knew the Cardinals game was going to be delayed.  Then 8:25 rolled around and they threw a 'R' up on the board.  I'm said to my brother "How the hell did it rain in the dome".

Finally, the game started and I followed it on my phone.  Kippers got the first two outs in the first, so I closed my phone and went back to watching the game.  Next thing I know, I look over at the board and it was 3-0.

I, of course, was frustrated but hadn't given up hope.  I think that my heart started to give out when Yadi GIDP with 2 on and no outs, and then Ludwick came up with 2 on and 2 outs.  I thought if he didn't hit a double there, we were done for.  Of course, he ripped one into the gap and the Brewers came unhinged in the 5th (just as the Pirates game was letting out).

It's nice to finally have some faith in this team's ability to win games.

Oh, and we need to get Ian Snell, I don't care who it costs us in the minor leagues.  Give them Bryan Anderson straight up.  Snell is finally coming into his own.  Give him a team that doesn't suck and he could be an 18 game winner.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 11:32 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'd give up Anderson in a heartbeat...
for Snell, it would cost more than Anderson though.
- Y. Molina stole third

by TriplePlay on Aug 15, 2007 11:48 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why
do we need Ian Snell?  This is a real question and not snark.  I haven't been overly impressed with him when the Cards are playing the Pirates, but I'm not following him on a regular basis, so what do you see that makes you say we need to acquire him?

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 15, 2007 11:52 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

25 years old
95 MPH fastball.  He's posted an ERA+ of 112 this year, he is finally coming into his own.  He has a decent GO/AO ratio.  He is the same age as Wainwright and at this point in his career is slightly better.

Adding him to a rotation of Wainwright and Reyes, to go along with whatever you get from Mulder and Carpenter over the next 2 years could be downright dominant.

As you can tell, I'm pretty high on Ian Snell.  Plus, even though he comes across as cocky sometimes (see: Pujols comments) he also f'ing hates losing and has come out and said as much.  I like a players that actually care.  I'm sure he was none too pleased that his defense comitted 2 mental lapses that cost him a lead and the offense stranded close to 12 baserunners.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 12:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He wears no. 45
Possibly as tribute to Gibson?

by 26thMan on Aug 15, 2007 12:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't like his attitude
no matter how well he plays.  He's mouthed off a lot about other teams (inlcuding the Cards before we beat him earlier in the year) and about his own teammates and that makes him seem crassly arrogant.  Maybe TLR and Duncan could do something about that, but I don't recall them having to deal with those kinds of attitude problems.  They are more into the crestfallen attitude problems.

by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 12:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His game certainly didn't match his mouth
when he played us.

Since his ERA is 5.85 over his last ten games, I don't think he has that much to be bragging about.  Since June 23, he has had two starts with 6 ER, two starts with 5 ER, and one start with 4 ER (he's only had 5 quality starts out of his last 10 and he's lost his last 6 games).  If that were Wells' recent record, most posters would be calling for his head.

Besides, it's not just a matter of strutting because he's good--it's a problem with badmouthing teammates and other teams.  There's a big difference.  I prefer to have neither on the team.  But the second I wouldn't take just so we can have a little better chance of winning.  

In any case, most of our pitchers have been doing better than he has recently.  They've been trending in the right direction while he's been trending in the wrong one.

by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 3:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Exactly
10 games for 2 journeyman pitchers and a reliever converted to starter trending the right way supercedes a 25 year old arbitration eligible for 4 more years who throws in the 94-95 mph range, with a good slider and good changeup.

He's a kid.  He lists having a cup of tea and playing XBOX as his favorite things to do before going to bed.  He needs to grow up, for sure, but he seems no worse off than Albert Pujols does about losing.  The only difference is that Snell has no veteran leadership around him to tell him to keep his crying (see Pujols vs Glavine, Howard) in check.

Snell's going on about a month, solids worth of his BABip being near .400.  He's had a defense that has consisted of a 3B and C playing the outfield positions and a pretty terrible team behind him.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 3:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wainwright and Wells can have
as nasty or nastier pitches and both can throw in the 94 mph range (or have in their last games).  They have as many or more pitches to choose from.  We'll have to wait and see how Piniero and Reyes work out--so far, they have been out pitching him (trends right now at last are important!).

And the Pirates' defense has not been the reason for Snell's high earned runs over the last month.  He earned those all by himself.

You're right that if he's a kid, that needs to be considered.  But he's 25 years old--should he still be having excuses made for him because he's a kid?  Besides, we're talking about different things.   You are talking about a temper after the game when he loses--something I understand and think can be helped with veteran guidance.  I'm talking about badmouthing other teams before he plays them and being discourteous to teammates.   That is a different character issue.  

by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 4:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also, as far as his attitude
this was his biggest blowup this year:


In the aftermath of the Pirates' 10-1 loss Saturday to the Los Angeles Angels, Snell said in a rising voice: "I [expletive] hate losing. I hate when the team doesn't bring out its full potential. And if they fine me, fine me. I don't care. Because this is getting stupid. We're better than what we're showing."
[...]
"I don't think everybody's playing the level of baseball that they expect of themselves," Snell said. "I mean, they'll get mad or throw their helmet or hang their head or this and that ... it's not going to help you win a ballgame. I think if they just keep their heads in the game, work the counts as a hitter, get the out if you're a pitcher ... just show some heart. Don't be scared. Don't be scared to win. Nothing's going to hurt you if you win."
[...]
"Seriously, you can tell anyone who says that to go shove it. This team is underachieving. I think this team has a lot of talent. We've got a lot of good players here. I just don't think everybody's bringing it out. And it's upsetting because you're expecting to win and you're not focused on winning."

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 3:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So does he bring that piss and
vinegar to the mound when his teammates are being thrown at?  That's one thing I always admired about guys like Matt Morris and Pedro Martinez, etc., who always have their teammates' backs when the opponent is headhunting.

If he protects his own, I'll take him on my team.

"We're sniffing the winning situation."

by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 15, 2007 4:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He doesn't like it if you steal signs
"Hopefully I won't pitch in Colorado because I know who it was (stealing signs) and I will kill that dude. If I pitch against them, I will get fined big time."

He apologized late for saying it.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 4:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again I'm talking about badmouthing
people--like disrepectful comments he made about Matty Mo coming to the pirates and trashy comments he made about the Cards before playing them.  These were both reported by commentators.  That is not just competition.  It's a bad attitude that can end up making a team look bad.  Competition--understandable.  Trash talk before a game or before a player comes to your team--simply immature and crass.

by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 4:16 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What did he say about Matt Morris?
All I can find is this quote:
"I can learn from that man," said Ian Snell of Matt Morris
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 4:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The commentators only said he
needed to watch his mouth and pay some respect to Morris, but they did not pass on his exact words.  They also said his reaction to the Morris trade reflected badly on the team.  

They made it sound like these were comments he was making in the clubhouse, not ones in official interviews.  

But since these are reporters or commentators, we should take it with a grain of salt, especially since they didn't say exactly what he said-- just that it reflected badly on him and the team and that it was not a good welcome for Morris.

by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 4:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Schumaker
I think we need to find a way to get Schumaker back soon.  With Enc upset at TLR (and vice versa), I'm not sure we'll get great or even good play out of him and Duncan is only hitting something like 148 in August (Schumaker's average was tied for second in the league when he was sent down to Memphis).  

Also, seeing Ankiel make that error last night and knowing Duncan is still learning in the outfield, I think we need a solid defensive guy who we can depend on in any spot when we have to save a close game.  Plus, Schumaker is as much Mr. Energy as Ryan, Ankiel, Eckstein, etc.  Having more electricity around has seemed to have helped.  Why not get some more?  

There have been talks about trading Percival if not Enc.  Since Welleymeyer is on the DL, we could bring back Schu without permanently depleting our bullpen.  I'd rather trade Juan but TLR seems to have shot himself in the foot somewhat by saying "he's barely able to play."

Jimmy Ballgame, again last night, has been one of the most delightful surprises since his DL stint.  To see his awesome defense come back and then to see him get multi-hit games is a real feel-good story about battling through injuries and age.  

We all knew Wells has good stuff.  What we needed to know is whether he can handle pressure and get out of tough situations consistently.  Last night was one more encouraging test that he passed.  If he keeps this up (and especially if he can prove that he won't be easily rocked), I'd be interested in resigning him with lots of incentives.  But he needs more tests...  his mound presence in the first was definitely frightening.

by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 11:49 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jim heating up
"Jimmy Ballgame, again last night, has been one of the most delightful surprises since his DL stint.  To see his awesome defense come back and then to see him get multi-hit games is a real feel-good story about battling through injuries and age."

NYCF, I reported on Jim this morning at a music message board that had a thread on Rick Ankiel. My point was that Rick's long-term comeback is the feel-good human interest story that has helped kick the team into gear, but what will help kick the team into October is guys like Jim really coming back to a superlative level of play. In his last 9 games (starting with August 3), Jed is 16 for 36 = .444. That 4 for 6 last night boosted his season BA over .250 for the first time since mid-April.

I still pine for that MV3 combo to be wholly and consistently brilliant. I don't stop thinking about the season not too very long ago when, I believe, Jim won not just one but two NL Player of the Month titles in the second half. This was after Scotty was basically first-half MVP. So, Jim getting hot aligns with my deeply entrenched concept of him--especially if he starts cranking out dingers again.

"You can't pinch-hit for the number 9 man, because he's your short reliever." Mike Shannon re Aaron Miles, August 5

by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 15, 2007 7:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2nd the Kyle Russell signing
if the birds did not want to pay the bucks, they should have never waisted the draft pick.
Nuthin'....I got nuthin'over here.

by Handsome Jimmy on Aug 15, 2007 11:52 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Goold says no Russell
Goold says no Russell:

http://www.stltoday.com/blogs/sports-bird-land/2007/08/bevo-beat-russell-back-to-texas/#more-14241

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Cardinals' fourth-round pick and NCAA home run leader Kyle Russell punched out the following text message to an Austin reporter this morning:

You have to watch my tall lanky (bad self) for another year
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by mikedallas23 on Aug 15, 2007 11:55 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bad news
Goold also says that the Cards won't be compensated if Russell doesn't sign.

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 15, 2007 12:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We knew that though
That isn't news, you only get compensated for the first 2 rounds so I think most of us already knew that our 4th round pick was wasted if he didn't sign.

by StLHugo on Aug 15, 2007 1:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well,
I am one of the ignorant masses concerning the draft and I did not know that teams weren't compensated for picks after the second round until I read that today.  So, I was bummed, but anyway, my bad.  

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 15, 2007 1:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not surprising, but still inexcusable
The cards knew exactly what they were dealing with when they drafted him.  If they expected to sign him for anything less than 1st round money, then it was a completely wasted draft pick.

by Handsome B Wonderful on Aug 15, 2007 1:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

frustrating
i'm a little frustrated with how the draft turned out.  the team doesnt seem to want to spend money on the free agent market, which isnt necessarily a bad idea.  however, that necessitates building up the farm system.  this draft seemed like a good opportunity to do just that.  they had the opportunity to add some premium talent and balked at those expenses as well.  to extent, i understand their thought process...lots of teams came to the same conclusion about porcello...but its still frustrating from a fans perspective.

by dmb60614 on Aug 15, 2007 1:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What I love about baseball
is that whatever team wins this ridiculous Major League meets soap opera meets Barnum & Bailey division has probably about an 11% chance of winning the World Series.  Meanwhile Boston and their .605 winning percentage has about a 13% chance.

by lordsummer on Aug 15, 2007 11:57 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look at the National League
if the Cardinals could sneak into the playoffs, they should pray that the Mets hold off the rest of the NL East.  Their pitching can't win a playoff series.

Then in the west, you have the Padres (who can't score) and the DBacks (who are playing way over their heads).

As they say, make the playoffs and roll the dice.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 12:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we can take the Mets
I've followed them all year since I live in NY and they not only have both starting pitching problems but bullpen problems and defensive problems.  It's amazing how sloppy they have been playing (and this started weeks before the allstar break).  I also think we'd have a good chance against anyone in the west.  But I don't think the Mets will be able to hold on....

by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 12:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to mention the fact
that we own the Padres in the postseason...
"The Phillies honored PR man Larry Shenk for 44 years of service. Shenk told the crowd he had one request: 'Don't boo so much.' The crowd promptly booed."

by Mr Redbird on Aug 15, 2007 1:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lake Express Ferry
 I live on the West Coast of Michigan. You can take the Lake Express Ferry from Muskegon,Mich. to Milwaukee. 2 1/2 hr. trip. A bus takes you to Miller Park. If you do a day game you can be back to Mich. before sunset. Not like going to Busch, but I can see the Cards,without driving 500 miles to St.Louis.
CliffNotes

by CliffNotes on Aug 15, 2007 12:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That sounds great,
a ferry ride, a ball game (especially if the Cards are in town) and NO driving.  I live in Berrien County and my love of the Cards has driven me (pun intended) to Busch Stadium four times already this year (and I have tickets for a game in Sept.) and six times last year.  It is a seven hour trip, one way.  I couldn't do it if I didn't have family in southern Illinois that I can stay with and save the cost of hotels.    

by cardsgirl95 on Aug 15, 2007 12:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

awesome
I visit Grand Haven almost every summer.  From now on I'm going to check the Cards schedule for Milwaukee road trips.

by john vb on Aug 15, 2007 3:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pitcher Hitting in the 8 Hole
Ted Simmons expressed it with some tact I thought last night, "TLR is just a little ahead of the rest of us".

Pitchers are hitting 8th to help Albert get a hundred ribbies, pure and simple. There is a reason that pitchers have hit ninth since the game began, they are the worst hitters in the lineup. Over the course of a season, the ninth spot in the order comes up the least amount of times. This is not rocket science.

by Vinegar Bend on Aug 15, 2007 12:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hmm
How much more often does the 8th come up than the 9th over the course of the year? How often does the 3rd come up after the 9th in the course of a game/year?

by Birds on the Matt on Aug 15, 2007 12:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

extra ABs
Assuming the last out is about equally likely to be generated by any slot in the order (which isn't true, but is a reasonable first order approximation), then as you move down from 1st to 9th slot, you lose about 162/9 = 18 plate appearances.

So the cost of moving the pitcher from 8 to 9 is:

  1. About 18 extra plate appearances for the pitcher's slot
  2. Less ability for the 8th slot to drive in runners already on based (i.e. mainly from the 5th, 6th, 7th slot)
But the advantage is
1) More likely that the 1,2,3,4 hitters have an extra runner on base to drive in

Frankly, it is difficult to evaluate this problem intuitively.  That's probably why managers for years have just stayed with the status quo.

Fortunately, we don't have to evaluate it intuitively anymore.  A computer can run thousands/millions of simulations and see which choice produces the most runs.

We're fortunate to have a manager who is open to new ideas and doesn't simply do things a certain way because that's the way it's always been done.  Despite whatever flaws he may have, I'd rather have TLR managing the Cards than Ted Simmons.

by psteinx on Aug 15, 2007 1:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the computer
i might be wrong, but i think the computer simulations actually said the lineup would produce more runs if low obp (or out machine) types were spread evenly throughout the lineup instead of bunched together at the bottom.  i'd be interested in seeing a team do that although i dont know if i'd want to see the cards do it.    

by dmb60614 on Aug 15, 2007 1:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hmmm, that description
sounds like a lot of the Cardinal lineups we've seen this year!
"We're sniffing the winning situation."

by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 15, 2007 3:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree
Just because everybody has been doing something the same way for years and years doesn't mean it's necessarily the best way to do it. Yes your pitcher gets a few more ABs (a bad thing) but your best hitter gets to hit in more high leverage situations (a good thing). I really don't think it makes much difference either way in this case, but bucking conventional wisdom is how Oakland managed to make the playoffs all those years on a shoestring budget.

by mikedallas23 on Aug 15, 2007 1:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ditto
the traditional 9-hole often gets twisted around after the first two AB's anyway...with pinch-hitting and double switches.  It's really only a "screwy" idea the first part of the game.
And sometimes it will backfire, but nearly as many times it will work out nifty.

And to the person who said it was only designed to give Albert more rbi's... and THAT is bad because??

by CurtFlood on Aug 15, 2007 8:51 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Kipper and Adam
are slugging it better than Scott Rolen, Spiezio, and some other position players this year.  45-50 AB is not a dreadfully large sample size, and Kip is way above his career batting stats, but the pitcher is by no means ALWAYS the worst hitter in the lineup.

Plus, if you say "since the game began," you're practically begging somebody to go look up 19th century stats from back when teams had 2-man rotations, there were left-handed catchers, and none of the modern rules apply!

by lordsummer on Aug 15, 2007 1:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You contradict yourself
doesn't maximizing your best players' RBI opportunites also maximize the runs scored by your team?  Does giving the pitcher slightly more AB than your #8 hitter really matter?

by Valatan on Aug 15, 2007 2:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the pitcher
doesn't have slightly more AB's than your 9th place hitter b/c the pitcher is pinch-hit for so frequently.  Pitchers rarely get 4 AB's per game -- usually it's only 2.  Therefore, you're not overexposing him at the plate.

When he is pinch hit for, usually it's with a pretty good hitter so that helps to negate the effect of having the pitcher's spot come up slightly more frequently than the new 9th place hitter's.

by chuckb on Aug 15, 2007 2:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So
we should bat the pitcher 9th b/c that's the way it's always been done?  If that's the only reason, then maybe we should see if there are any better ideas out there.

Almost anyone who understands sabermetrics says that the pitcher SHOULD NOT hit in the 9 hole.  Batting the pitcher 6th, 7th, or 8th -- with the best hitters in the right spots in the order (1, 2, 3) -- will maximize the number of runs a team scores.  It's not rocket science, but people who've studied the science of baseball can tell you this is true.

by chuckb on Aug 15, 2007 2:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Piniero = Suppan with better stuff
Or so says Dave Duncan.

Driving back from Lunch Duncan was on 590 talking about the pitching staff and Chris.  He said Piniero has or needs to have a Suppan like pitching style but that Joel has better stuff then Sup and should be able to pull it off better.  Looks like they want him to be our innings eater for the foreseeable future.  He also said something along the lines of "people keep talking about how I want Reyes to throw a 2 seamer but with Piniero I actually want him to throw his 4 seamer more often" Cusimano asked him "Why?" "It's his better pitch."  Interesting comment line right there to me.

by StLHugo on Aug 15, 2007 1:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Suppan never really threw a sinker
Nor was he really a GB machine.  He got by with control, limiting walks, and letting his GG defense work.  Without that GG defense he looks like he did before STL, average.

For the life of me I don't understand why Duncan doesn't think Reyes has an effective 4 seam pitch.

by DriverZn on Aug 15, 2007 4:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it has to do with velocity
Reyes has struggled to hit 94 mph for much of the season, while I believe that Pineiro lives in the 94-95 range.

Reyes used to live there too, but something has happened.

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 4:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't get the obsession with velocity
If Chris Young was on our team would he have to scrap his pitching plan?  Some pitchers have pitches with either good life or good deception.  Those are effective qualities also.

Reyes has good control over the 4seam.  Hitters don't usually mash it.  From the games that I have watched, most of the HRs have come on other pitches.  

Anyone else find it odd that we are obsessed with velocity but yet the majority of 300 game winners were not "hard throwers"?

by DriverZn on Aug 15, 2007 4:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does Chris Young live and die by his 4 seam
fastball at 88 mph?  If so, then I don't get it either.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 4:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No he doesn't
I don't think Young lives by his 4-seamer, but the theory from above is true.  He DOES pitch up in the zone quite a bit, a la Reyes.  On the other hand, I'm sure he's not the best example to compare to Reyes, because Petco is like hitting the ball in a 40-acre field.  

I think Woody Williams may be a good comp for what Reyes can do.  Woody, when at his best, did not necessarily rely on being down in the zone.  He was effective when he used ALL parts of the zone.  I remember how particularly effective getting "under the hands" of hitters.  I don't know exactly how hard Woody threw, but I'm sure it wasn't ever far above 90 mph.

I believe that LaDuncan know (knows?  Is LaDuncan a plural or singular word?) that Reyes cannot survive solely on a high fastball and a good change.  A pitcher that does that will HAVE to throw about 105 mph.  However, he can throw the majority of his pitches up if he develops the ability to pitch down in the zone effectively.  You know, change the eye level of the hitter.

I'm a man, a manly, manly, man. Unknown

by Eckstreem on Aug 15, 2007 4:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I vote that "LaDunc"
is plural in meaning, but singular in grammar... like the word 'trio.'
... the trio IS playing tonight; not the trio ARE playing tonight.

by CurtFlood on Aug 15, 2007 8:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The reason I mentoned him
Was I saw a lot of people on this forum wondering why we were not crushing his fastball up.  

The same people that say our pitchers will get crushed if they pitch up.

For some people, up works.  Its not all about how hard you throw it.  Ex: Sid Fernandez, who threw 88mph fastballs by hitters up all game long, for many years as a starter.

by DriverZn on Aug 15, 2007 6:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No matter what a guy's skill set,
a sudden decline in velocity or the quality of stuff is disconcerting.

by Valatan on Aug 15, 2007 4:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It is a Game of Statistical Probabilities
You are correct Mike, new ideas are not necessarily bad, but then again, neither are old ideas. For example, the classic second place hitter has speed, a high OBP, and is a contact hitter, one that does not strike out a lot, in order that he advance the leadoff hitter/runner. Would someone please explain the genius behind batting Ankiel second, a left-handed, low average, low OBP hitter that is prone to striking out a lot against a left-handed pitcher no less.  At least he has good speed. RA would be ideal as a fifth place hitter where his strikeouts would not hurt as much and is more likely to bat with more runners on base taking better advantage of his power. But then again, TLR is just a little bit ahead of us mortals.

by Vinegar Bend on Aug 15, 2007 1:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point on Ankiel
Is it maybe because LaRussa is trying to help him develop by putting him in front of Pujols? I really think LaRussa feels responsible for ruining this kid and now he is trying to make up for it.

by Carps on Aug 15, 2007 1:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I for one ...
can't stand the "classic second place hitter."  The second place in the order is probably the prime spot to hit, period, because of the combination of high leverage, pitch quality, and frequency of plate appearences.  Why give all of those abs to a guy who isn't one of your best hitters.  And make no mistake, the "classic second place hitter" is almost never one of the best hitters on a ball club.  Power and selectivity are the name of the batting game.

As a seperate point, contact hitters create more double plays than power hitters.

by Leo on Aug 15, 2007 2:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ankiel
I think last night showed one of the big flaw's in Rick's offense... he has to be able to hit the outside pitches to left field and stop trying to pull everything....or at least foul them off.. It didn't take long for the scouting reports to figure that out after what he did to L.A over the weekend.

by Timbo02 on Aug 15, 2007 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or, it could just be a case of a LHB
struggling against certain LHPs.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 2:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

absolutely....
but I haven't seen him take Anything the opposite way ...and it sure looked like he was leaning out over the plate and trying to get around on those outside fastballs...

by Timbo02 on Aug 15, 2007 2:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fox Saturday game last week
Ludwick was wearing a mic and was on the bench talking to McCrae during an inning.  I guess McCrae was mining Ludwick for info on Rick's approach in Memphis.  Ludwick told him that once Rick made an adjustment and starting going the other way with the ball (a few weeks into the season) that it was all over: Rick had his way with the pitchers.  

Hopefully the adjustment comes sooner than later.

youneverknow

by meat on Aug 15, 2007 3:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That spot seemed completely contrived
As if Fox had given Ludwick 4 or 5 lines about ANkiel to say.

by sdrone on Aug 15, 2007 5:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the only way to get
better is to face lefties.  Put Ank and Duncan in the lineup and leave them there, please.
"We're sniffing the winning situation."

by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 15, 2007 3:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually...
You guys are apparently unaware that Rick has a surprisingly even righty/lefty split...with a very slight reverse platoon in which his AVG and SLG are ever so slightly higher against lefties:


          AVG   AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  SO  OBP  SLG   OPS
vs Left  .275  109  21  30   4   2   9   30   5  21 .310 .596  .907
vs Right .264  280  41  74  11   1  23   59  20  69 .316 .557  .873

Those are his numbers from MiLB.com, so it doesn't look like it really matters whether the starter is a RHP or LHP...

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 15, 2007 7:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is, of course,
assuming that a player that doesn't exhibit a lefty/righty split in the minors will continue to have even splits in the majors.

by Valatan on Aug 15, 2007 7:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True
Are there many historical examples of when such splits didn't translate as expected from the minors to the majors?
There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Aug 15, 2007 7:35 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't know one way or the other
but with the preponderance of lefty specialists in the majors, I wouldn't be surised to see things work out that way.  A guy like TJ, in the majors, would practice and develop pitch sequences to get lefties out, while he would be a closer in the minors.

Not to mention that I'd expect major league pitching to better be able to take advantage of any weakness--so that lefty slider that Ank might be able to overpower in AAA becomes a 90 mph randy jonhson (circa 2001) nightmare that gets fouled off to the 3rd base side.  

by Valatan on Aug 15, 2007 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure which AB it was
but he hit a pitch pretty hard to JJ Hardy. But other than that, I think he's pulled everything.
Call up Jarrett Hoffpauir!

by player2bnamedl8r on Aug 15, 2007 4:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What a difference a week makes...
One week ago today I was commenting on being upset with management not realizing the season was over and preparing for next year.
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/comments/2007/8/8/12594/91613/9#9

Here I sit one week later and this quote from Cardinals Diaspora sums up how I'm feeling today.  Let's hope I'm still feeling this way August 22.
H"ow quickly things can change. It's hard to have perspective in a season that lasts 7 months. To know that if we fed the division foes truth serum that they'd readily admit that they've been weary of the Feebles all year. Knowing that TLR wasn't going to just roll over and burp. And now? Now we're charging up the division leader board like Matthew Broderick in Glory. Led by kids too stupid to know they shouldn't be winning, they should be `getting ready for next year'. Kip Wells got advice from Jeff Weaver, Tony Reyes got more than a quarter of a run."

"Baseball is the only field of endeavor where a man can succeed three times out of ten and be considered a good performer." - Ted Williams

by WiscCard on Aug 15, 2007 2:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fielder suspended three games
For his tizzy in Houston. Wishful thinking that he'll just take it and sit the next three, right?

Stupid appeals process.

"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on Aug 15, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shelley Duncan hits 3-run HR in the bottom 9th
to tie the game, Yanks 3- Orioles 3.  Bedard threw a gem only to get hosed by the bullpen.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it's the orioles
does that surprise you.  They spent gobs of money on crappy older relievers.  Some of these front offices just do not understand how to evaluate relief pitching.

by azruavatar on Aug 15, 2007 4:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true
I find it interesting though that our front office saw Franklin and Springer as good bullpen (back up starter) arms and most of us went "meh" and how great have they been.  Is that something the front office saw or just a gamble that worked out?  But the Os did mess up.

by StLHugo on Aug 15, 2007 4:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I strongly believe it's just a gamble that worked
Springer found another 2K per game from somewhere but I don't think that's anything more than a good stretch of pitching.  Franklin hasn't been as good as his ERA.

I don't want to undercut either pitcher's production value this far but I don't think they are good bets moving forward.

The Orioles are one of the 5 worst franchises in the league right now.

by azruavatar on Aug 15, 2007 5:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I follow the O's pretty closely
since I live about 4 miles from Camden Yards, and sometimes it really does seem like they aren't aware that they play in the freakin' AL East.  Perhaps when I buy the team I'll have that fact tattooed on each employee's forearm.
"We're sniffing the winning situation."

by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 15, 2007 5:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

AL EAST
the Tampa Bay Devil Rays bullpen has 25 losses.  That is almost unthinkable.  By comparision, the Cardinals have 8.  The much maligned Cubs bullpen has 23.  The Orioles have 27.

Why does it seem the Devil Rays failures seem so epic?

Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 5:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow, tampa is bad...
As bad as the cubs relievers have seemed, they still have a positive relief Win Expectation above Replacement (WXRL) this season (+4.2).  The cardinals (even including Maroth and Jimenez) have been +7.95; Tampa bay has been 3.3 games BELOW replacement level, and Al Reyes has mitigated +2.

By the way, Flores has been pitching better recently, or others have been pitching worse- the last time I checked (~all-star break) he was the worst reliever in MLB terms of WXRL; he's now the 7th worst reliever (and the only SLN player in the bottom 100).  Way to claw your way up, Randy.

"This is a ball club with issues." -Nats announcers (talking about the Cardinals)

by SleepyCA on Aug 15, 2007 5:57 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When you DO buy them?..
How about bringing them back to St.Louis and reviving the BROWNS!....if there was ever a mid market city that could support two MLB teams...it's STL.....

by Timbo02 on Aug 15, 2007 5:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bedard
Would look good with the Birds on the Bat.  Red ones, not orange ones.

Just sayin'.

by stl tyler on Aug 15, 2007 4:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Retirement home Home Run Derby
Found this on Gizmodo this afternoon.

by StLHugo on Aug 15, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, man, not enough pine tar
His bat went flying up into the seats behind the dugout! Hope the fans were paying attention and ducked quickly enough.
"You can't pinch-hit for the number 9 man, because he's your short reliever." Mike Shannon re Aaron Miles, August 5

by Nelson Brockabrella on Aug 15, 2007 7:19 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll have to agree with HoustonCardinal on lineups
The 8th spot is the Perfect place to hide the pitcher because the 9 spot later comes up with an automatic out and it only moves that out up/down one spot while not effecting the 2,3,4 spot like it usually does when they're so close to your power spots.  But mostly because you are ALWAYS pinch hitting that spot after, hopefully, the 6th inning or later and it gives you a better idea of who to pinch hit and gives strength to La Russa's matchups.

In Tony's world, it makes a lota sense...and sense he lives in a HOF coach world, I'll take his crazy genius to other 'reasonable' MLB herd mentality thinkers, nothing personal Ted

by MaskedMan on Aug 15, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Batting the pitcher 8th...
It's more like "Let's bat Kennedy 9th"

Seriously though.. not to pick on Kennedy, but the guy hit .172 in August and was usually in the 9th spot.

Pinch-hitting for the 9th spot gives you the chance, if needed to bring in the right person for the right occassion in front of the real lead-off hitter.

This move is was much hiding Kennedy as it was hiding the pitcher.

We're not (usually) winning close ones... its blowouts one way or the other... so this minor change in the line-up really isn't the miracle cause for our wins.

by redbird2006in on Aug 15, 2007 5:57 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, in fairness to Kennedy
he apparently had a pretty messed up knee.
Call up PJ Walters!

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 15, 2007 6:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fielder
prince fielder was suspended today for three games. espn claims that his suspension will begin tonight. has anyone heard if he has appealed because if not, that's a big loss for the brewers.
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by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 15, 2007 6:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah
let's hope it begins tonight.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Aug 15, 2007 6:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh yeah
I mean, like I said I don't want to pick on Kennedy here.  But it the truth is the person we swapped the pitcher with isn't much better than the pitcher.

It's not like we put some .400 OBP guy down there.

by redbird2006in on Aug 15, 2007 6:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Strauss had an interesting take
on Wells' 1st inning today during his live chat.  He said he thought he had problems because there was too long a delay between his warmup pitches and the game due to the unexpectedly long ceremony.  

Hope that's the case.  It would make sense as to why he suddenly improved after the first and would bode well for the future.

by nycardfan on Aug 15, 2007 6:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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