watersheds
it was exactly 3 months ago that the cardinals started to hit --- on may 14. the previous day, padres rookie justin germano had shut the cardinals out on 3 hits, the team's second shutout in 3 days. the feeble effort prompted the following comments from jim edmonds:
| G | AVG | OBP | SLG | R/G | HR/G | |||
| through april 13 | 35 | .234 | .303 | .323 | 3.1 | 0.5 | ||
| since april 13 | 80 | .286 | .349 | .434 | 4.9 | 1.0 |
over that 80-game period --- half a season --- the cardinals rank 4th in the national league in scoring, behind the phillies rockies and braves; they've outscored the cubs and brewers by a quarter-run a game over that span. if you doubled that 80-game batting line to get a season-length sample, here's how it would compare to the numbers posted by cardinal teams of recent vintage:
| AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | BB | AVG | OBP | SLG | |||
| 2007 | 5502 | 790 | 1574 | 294 | 10 | 166 | 524 | .286 | .349 | .434 | ||
| 2006 | 5522 | 781 | 1484 | 292 | 27 | 184 | 531 | .269 | .337 | .431 | ||
| 2005 | 5538 | 805 | 1494 | 287 | 26 | 170 | 534 | .270 | .339 | .423 |
all this because of a few harsh words by jim edmonds? well, not exactly --- but i do think his statements were significant. if that's what he was saying in public, i have to believe that he (and probably others) were speaking just as bluntly in the privacy of the clubhouse. there seems to have been a change in the team's dynamic after that, a conscious stiffening of resolve. recall for a moment that may 13 was only two weeks after josh hancock's death, and less than a week after it was announced that carpenter would need an operation to clean out his elbow --- the bone-chip thing --- and would be sidelined for 10 weeks or so. i think those two blows left the cardinals shell-shocked and unfocused, perhaps feeling a little sorry for themselves; maybe some of them had already begun to play out the string on the season, just going through the motions.
a few other things also changed after may 13. one is that juan encarnacion rejoined the team; actually, may 13 was his first game back. he replaced the schumaker / preston wilson platoon in right field and brought some desperately needed production to what had been a vacant hole in the lineup. another addition to the outfield, ryan ludwick, started getting regular playing time; he had been recalled on may 6 and made a few token starts, but since may 13 he has appeared in 69 of 80 games (starting 33) and contributed 10 homers and an .837 ops. all the smurfs got hot at the same time --- eckstein's hitting .350 (.815 ops) since may 13, brendan ryan .343 (.904), schumaker .356 (.967). above all, albert pujols returned to form. he batted .248 / .347 / .426 through may 13; since then, his line reads .339 / .443 / .595. when he hits like that, the cardinals score runs no matter what anyone else does. indeed, the cardinals have carried plenty of dead weight through that 80-game stretch --- a .705 ops from aaron miles in 230 at-bats, 4th-highest at-bat total on the team; a .659 ops from molina, .572 from adam kennedy. they're still playing with 2 or 3 automatic outs in the lineup on most nights. here are the cardinals' full batting stats since may 13, courtesy of pinto's day-by-day database.
can they keep this up? let's begin with the obvious: brendan ryan ain't no .343 hitter. i like the kid and i'm glad he's getting his shot --- maybe he's the everyday shortstop next year --- but he's bound to cool down. even if he drops off, however, he's surely going to outhit adam kennedy --- i think we can just call that a wash. eckstein is also due to slack off, but as long as he can keep his obp at or above .340 --- and that's a reasonable hope --- he's doing his job. rolen's sprinkling of magical cortisone dust seems to be wearing off; i wouldn't expect a sustained surge from him. edmonds? he hasn't homered in over two months (his last one was june 9); since his return from the dl four weeks ago, he has a .701 ops with 4 runs scored and 5 rbi. . . . . but in the last week he's hit the ball harder, and he's such a streak hitter that he's liable to go on a tear at any time.
much depends on how things shake out in right field. if ankiel can sustain his hot start, he'll represent an upgrade over encarnacion; if the league adjusts to him, the gamble might backfire in the short term. i'm not opposed to the gamble --- the long term matters more than the short term to me at this point in the cardinals' journey, and from a long-term perspective it makes sense for the organization to prioritize high-risk, high-reward guys like ankiel over known but limited quantities like juan encarnacion. so i'm down with the experiment. but, to the extent that we're still hoping to close out 2007 with a run at the playoffs, we should acknowledge the stakes. the cards are removing a reliable bat, one that helped solidify a floundering offense, in favor of a guy who really could go either way. ankiel might slug .700 over the last third of the season and help carry the team over the top; he also might post a .270 on-base percentage and make lots of outs to go along with the occasional homer.
but there's also the potential --- one the cardinals considered, you can be sure --- that ankiel's callup might effect a change similar to the one that happened after may 13 --- a change in the dynamic. just 4 games into the ankiel era, a team that seemed stale appears fresh; a team i characterized (rather aptly, if i do say so myself) as zombies on the very day ankiel was recalled has suddenly begun to exhibit life-like attributes. maybe ankiel is the re-animator? when the last 47 games are in the books, i'll take a look back (won't be the only one, i'm sure) to see what kind of watershed august 9 proves to be.
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Well watershed is right
One other point about the offense, I still fail to understand why Juan E gets benched. Looking over that offensive group, the best outfield the Cards can field is Duncan, Juan E. and Ankiel, with Edmonds and Ludwick filling in as well. Edmonds should not/ would not be one of the top 3.
Maybe the key decision is not and should not be between the limited and known quantity of Juan E vs. the upside of Ankiel, but instead between the known quantity of Juan E. and the seemingly punchless Edmonds?
Intagibles maybe?
Well
Not to say that such a presence does not have value. 2006 clearly showed that such a presence can have value. That said, Edmonds is clearly in decline. A vet willing to do what it takes to win might recognize that Edmonds is more valuable to the team as an outfield supper sub, allowing Edmonds to rest more, than playing everyday and generating lower offensive output than Juan E.
Ok.. small sample size I know.. but look at August
Encarancion OPS .629
Sometimes you just have to go with the current hot bat.
This may be true
Uhh
Exactly his point
We need to DFA/RFK/MSG Juan Encarnacion!
by dontEATnachos on Aug 14, 2007 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Again Uhh?
Who would play center?
by googs77 on Aug 14, 2007 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Duncan in center.
Sunday's original lineup
I think the point made above is valid regarding our best outfield not necessarily being a choice between Juan and Ankiel. In fact, although I'd hate to see it, replacing Duncan with Ankiel would make more sense right now as Duncan seems to be in a major funk lately.
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 14, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Watershed?
In all fairness to Edmonds....
by TriplePlay on Aug 14, 2007 9:23 AM EDT reply actions
great point
- starts him on a huge hitting tear
- sends him into an exaggerated upper-cutting tailspin
TSF
by TedSimmonsFan on Aug 14, 2007 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
It goes w/o saying
Pitching probables:
Wells vs. Capuano
Pineiro vs. Gallardo
Wainwright vs. Bush
Looper vs. Hill
Reyes vs. Marshall
Wells vs. Zambrano
Pineiro vs. Lilly
It's too bad we only have Wainwright going once -- he's become the de facto starter. I sure would like to see Marquis but, what can you do? A 4-3 road trip is definitely a possibility and, while it wouldn't make up much ground, it would keep us w/i striking distance as we come home to play 12 out of 15 at Busch.
I would have agreed a couple of weeks ago
4-3
Agreed--
by rockin redbird on Aug 14, 2007 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Chicago
You might be rgiht
stlcardinals.com
TSF
by TedSimmonsFan on Aug 14, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
God scheduled that junk
Not exactly
Also the schedulers could have placed us in a DH against Chi in July but I guess since we already had one with Mil and Chi had a tough schedule (I think they did anyway) or since mid week is a bad time for a DH they chose not too. Anyway it still plain sucks.
Expanded Rosters
That means
It may be rough for them, but it's good for the fans. I hate off days!
Your line,
Even funnier
Say what you want about the hitting
on Rolen
by perrone on Aug 14, 2007 9:56 AM EDT reply actions
I have been
The tough part of this summer has been
That's it! It's an insidious plot by the Cubs and Brewers to keep Rolen from being fully healed at the start of 2008!
TSF
by TedSimmonsFan on Aug 14, 2007 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
That's Brilliant
All too often
So, we'd have a health Scott Rolen and a team without it's best hitter and pitcher.
When you have the chance to win (make the playoffs), you have to try and do it. You never know if you'll ever be in that situation again.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 14, 2007 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree
Unfortunately, the Cardinals' and
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 14, 2007 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
On Rolen.
Rolen's Shoulder
But I agree. This week may determine where we stand and a decision on Rolen should probably wait until we are clearly out of the race, which is not the case right now.
by googs77 on Aug 14, 2007 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
Honestly, with that trio in the outfield, Juan should get significant playing time anyway. Hopefully the trickle down effect of a stronger bench makes this team even better down the stretch. I'd like it if he would just shut up and realize that he's basically a fourth outfielder regardless.
but regression doesn't happen
there are passive (ie, luck-related) factors involved in regression too --- but it is in part a dynamic process. it wouldn't happen if players just kept doing the same thing and waited for their luck to turn around.
i think some mental adjustments took place after may 13, along with some physical ones --- and that helped lead to better at-bats and better results. maybe there's been a similar attitude adjustment with the arrival of ankiel.
And here's to hoping that
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 14, 2007 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that upwards regression
These guys also have the mentality of big leaguers (I think, anyway) and have all the self-interest in the world to try and turn things around. There is no such thing as a selfish higher OPS.
There was also the weather or something, IIRC, and the entire league hitting like shit. Pujols was hitting like Tino Martinez, etc.
Regression happens the other way too. I'm sure there are mechanisms for that, but for ever hitter that gets legitimately beat there's a pitcher who gets an out. Those pitchers regress, hitters regress.
A speech by Edmonds is not the obvious mechanism to me. (And I'm not saying that you are making it out to be the sole factor or anything either. Just sayin'.)
New outfield ideas.
Any ideas on who to put at shortstop? I think Percival could catch. He's definitely got the build for it. I dunno if he can hit worth a s***, but since when did Tony want a catcher that could hit?
1b-Zambrano
2b-Maddux
3b-Wainer
ss-?
LF-Pujols (can't get rid of him. maybe he can learn how to pitch)
CF-Ankiel
RF-Marquis
C- Percival
Hey, all these guys can hit, and if it worked for Ankiel........
The only problem may be that in a stroke of TOTAL lunacy (lauded by the press as a stroke of further LaRussa genius), Dave Duncan forces all of them to throw a 2-seam fastball even when they are on the field!
Thompson
Why didn't the Bears win the Super Bowl??
Heard that on the radio this morning and decided to share.
Nice one!
Wow. Did I just write "cockles"? Yes, I did. Um, just go with it...y'all know what I mean ;-)
by rockin redbird on Aug 14, 2007 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a Bears fan ...
Sadly it didn't happen but when the Cardinals won the WS, I told myself I wouldn't get worked up over sports for at least a year. So I'm still just enjoying last year and hoping the Bears will have a good season again this year.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 14, 2007 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Not trying to knock the Bears
Yeah--
by rockin redbird on Aug 14, 2007 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we all know ...
The only other option is to change sports fandom willy nilly and that's clearly not a sane option. Once you've got a team you have to stick with them, those are the rules!
by dontEATnachos on Aug 14, 2007 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I do
by rockin redbird on Aug 14, 2007 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah but new fans are born
yeah
The thing I can't do is stop being a fan of a team because I move. Plus, I always prefer to start rooting for a team when they aren't particularly good (see why I liked the Bears in the late 90's or the Nats the past 3 years) so that way you can watch their transformation. And obviously there's nothing wrong with rooting for a local team when they aren't in conflict with your number 1.
This is all getting very complicated. I suppose at some point I need to detail my rules of fandom somewhere since otherwise I might get confused.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 14, 2007 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
A ruling, please..
Geography and fandom are funny things. Growing up in Arkansas during the 60's/70's meant two things... no "home" NFL team (when they were still in StL I rooted for the Cardinals), and you HAVE to root against any team from Texas. Even to this day, although they are now owned by an Arkie, I can't stand the Cowboys. (Conversely, the Oilers were OK, at least as long a Bum was the coach.)
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 14, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
They are OK
My attraction to the Oilers was more the coach (and that neato song) than the team. I always liked Bum because he didn't wear his hat inside the Astrodome. (Mama taught me you don't wear a hat inside the house.)
by ArkansasTravs on Aug 14, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
by rockin redbird on Aug 14, 2007 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
I wanted to point out that
Can someone check the schedule to be sure there's nto some point 2 weeks from now when we'll be saying this?
This is the NL (Comedy) Central.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 14, 2007 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
True is true...
by rockin redbird on Aug 14, 2007 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Possibly
Road 3 Mil, 4 ChiC
Home 3 Fla, 3 Atl
Road 3 Hou
Home 3 Cin, 4 Pit
Road 3 Ari, 3 Cin
Home 3 ChiC, 3 Phi, 4 Hou
Road 3 Mil, 3 Pit
This road trip is the launching pad I think for a good home stand Fla is always tough but not doing hot and Atl is in a tight race, Ari may be our toughest competition left but we have to win every series from here on out or have the other two keep playing as bad as they have been which is unlikely to continue.
Numbers Game:
If we assume that the Card's need to finish at ~.525, then that says that they need to go 31-16 for the remaining 47 games. That is a blistering .660 winning pct.
If everything comes together at the same time, well sure it's possible, but that necessary record leaves little room for error. It means that we can lose at most one or two series (which is scary with ATL, and PHI, not to mention MIL and CHC), it also means that we have to do some sweeping of our own, something we really haven't done all year (twice by my count...).
I'd love for the Card's to go on a tear, and become "that team" going to the playoffs, but 31-16... I don't know if the Cards have had 50 games that good in the last ten years, let alone this year...
by duncansarmy on Aug 14, 2007 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
You're
by rockin redbird on Aug 14, 2007 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
UPDATE
Ah--
by rockin redbird on Aug 14, 2007 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
not like I wanted too
That
by rockin redbird on Aug 14, 2007 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Pujols attitude change
Albert Pujols may have significant influence. He hit six home runs and had 10 RBIs on the trip. After hitting a game-changing home run in Sunday night's 10-inning victory, Pujols offered a less urgent perspective.
"I'll take (Monday) off and then I'll worry about it when I get to the ballpark" today, he said.
and he put up
.286 AVG
.823 OPS
3 2B
1 HR
11 RBI
a majority of which came in a breakout game against the Cubs (Jason Marquis).
I gave him crap for making that statement and subsequently struggling, especially in the game we lost 4-3 with Kippers on the mound.
Well, this week, a different attitude:
Cardinals manager Tony La Russa drafted a plan for days off for his regulars. One of them avoided any breather because he read something different in the schedule than an opportunity for a break.
Albert Pujols saw these 14 games as make-or-break.
"We're surprised that we are 5½ games (out). It could be worse," Pujols said.
[...]
Look at our record. It's not the best, but we're still in the mix and we haven't played the best baseball."
Well, atleast he seems a tad more focused on the importance of these games. Maybe that will result in some better showing, offensivel. If The Pu gets hot this week, who knows what kind of damage the Cardinals can do to 2 seriously struggling teams.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 14, 2007 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
Albert is one guy who
His history shows that he is certainly capable of putting a huge one-man hurt on both Mil and Chi this week. If Ank keeps up with the good karma and Little Dunc can dig out of his hole we can do some damage.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 14, 2007 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
vs. Capuano
Since Tony's pitcher-hitting-8th started (theoretically to get more people on for him), AP only has 3 RBI. But the team is winning and the overall hitting hasn't been affected apparently, so let's keep it up!
i pointed out a few days ago
waited at home for ludwick...
Hardcore i thought you were reading way to much into the comment but his lack of appearence in that series made ya wonder...
I agree with your main point he is a leader on this team and they need him to step up and do it..whatever facet(sp) that is.
Playing .660 ball
Something else I noticed, this makes 5 of the last 6 seasons that we've exceded our expected w-l record. Not sure if it says that we've been clutch, if TlR has been better than we think, or if we just get killed in our losses.
Jebus!!
by duncansarmy on Aug 14, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
2004 Win Pattern
Next 91 games - 69 W, 22 L (.758)
Final 26 games - 13 W, 13 L (.500)
Ankiel as Re-Animator
The crowd was fired up on Saturday. Good to see curtain calls again. And it warmed my heart to see Ankiel tip his hat to the fans after we gave him a standing ovation for the rolling against the wall catch he made.
En'cion
The consensus for us as amateur GM's seems to be that we should drop/trade En'cion and let Eckstein walk as a FA. That would open holes up for Ryan and Ankiel to prove themselves as major-league ready players. That move should save us about $11 million next year.
What should we do with the money, assuming Mr. DeWitt doesn't cry poor and pocket the money to make a profit?
Where are our holes? SP, obviously. Depending on Mulder's performance post-surgery, we will have a full stable of average to below-average starters. So, the only help we need is at the front of the rotation. Will $11 million get Zambrano? I doubt it. Do we look for a replacement for Kennedy? Do we look for a CF and move Edmonds to the super-sub role mentioned earlier.
IMO, I like the last option. We could move Ank to center, keep Schumaker up for insurance purposes, and look for a corner outfielder. Edmonds would be assured to get 350-400 PA's in Tony's outfield rotation anyway. Plus, outfield help (especially at the corner) is usually easier to find than a good, durable starting pitcher or a middle-infielder that can rake.
Roto world
by rockin redbird on Aug 14, 2007 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
2008 Free Agents
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/03/2008_mlb_free_a.html
Sorry, but I suck at hyperlinks.
If
Why overpay for something that might not pan out and might not even be better than what we have.. Rasmus is due 2009. Lets go after something that is worth the money... Get Albert in a room and let him know we're upping the payroll and throwing $27 mil at Alex Rodriguez.
Zambrano is the only pitcher I could get excited about, and he'll be overpaid too (unless he returns to the Cubs for a discount).
I don't want a Carlos Lee/Alfonso Soriano/Jason Schmidt/Barry Zito contract. Please. Not on my team.
Boras
Does it make sense to lock himself into a 3 or 4 year deal coming off of this season? No.
It makes far more sense to sign a 1 year deal and play 2008 for a big long term (6 year?) extension based on a solid 30 to 40 hr season. The only reason to think that the Cards don't have a shot is that if I were Boras, I would steer Jones to some offensive haven like Texas for a 1 year deal.
heh.......
by TriplePlay on Aug 14, 2007 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't be so sure ...
Andruw Jones (31)
Torii Hunter (32)
Corey Patterson (28)
Milton Bradley (30)
Aaron Rowand (30)
Mike Cameron (35)
Kenny Lofton (41)
Boras got Weaver a big contract, but folks may have noticed what a bargain that wasn't.
because the team already has...
by willievinceterry on Aug 14, 2007 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
<shaking his head>
Matt Clement
by boredatwork on Aug 14, 2007 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Cardinals vs Madden 08......
by TriplePlay on Aug 14, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions
I have two TV's but not in the same room...
by TriplePlay on Aug 14, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahhh
Don't tell my wife.
by itsalemmon1019 on Aug 14, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Lineup Already Up - No Enc
D. Eckstein ss
R. Ankiel rf
A. Pujols 1b
R. Ludwick lf
S. Rolen 3b
J. Edmonds cf
Y. Molina c
K. Wells p
B. Ryan 2b
Not playing him against the lefty 2 games in a row
Comparing his numbers vs. left-handed pitching to those of Edmonds and Ludwick, and considering what Enc has done since July 1, it doesn't make any rational sense -- but I'll accept that the best lineups are not necessarily based on reason . . .
Enc
Kind of interesting...
Player AB H HR BB SO AVG
Pujols 25 14 3 5 3 .560
Eckstein 19 7 0 3 2 .368
Encarnacion 20 7 2 2 4 .350




















