Post ASB rotation announced
Apparently, Tony didn't want this hanging over his head during the vacation:
Per dgoold
Fri at PHI ... Kip Wells
Sat at PHI ... Mike Maroth
Sun at Phi ... Adam Wainwright
Mon at Fla ... Braden Looper
Tues at Fla ... Brad Thompson
Wed at Fla ... Kip Wells
The Kippers against Philly makes sense, as he has dominated them in his career. I can only hope that Wed at Fla is really going to be Carpenter with Kip/Wellemyer facing release.
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okay
a) making more sense in his decisions
b) keeping brad thompson in the rotation
i like the move to start wells and demote wellemeyer to the bullpen. when carp comes back, wellemeyer should be the one to go with wells going to the bullpen.
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2007 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
Looks good to me
Carpenter's next start should be the 13th against the Clearwater Threshers. If he was asked to do another rehab start, it would be the 18th against the Lakeland Flying Tigers (?). If he only does the start against the Threshers for his third rehab start, he'd be inline to replace Wells on the 18th for the last game against the Marlins.
I'd like to see Wells succeed as a starter for the second half. If he doesn't pitch well against the Phillies after the break, I guess he'd be back in his long-man role where he's been thriving of late.
are you assuming wellemeyer is history?
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2007 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Goold's entry
I'll take a stab at the post-ASB pitching roster:
Rotation:
Looper
Maroth
Thompson
Wainwright
Wells
Bullpen:
Flores
Franklin
Izzy
Johnson
Percival
Springer
Wellemeyer
That's Cate returning to AAA for TJ's return from the DL. Say Carp gets two more rehab starts and returns for the opener against the Cubs on July 24th. At that point, either Thompson would be optioned to AAA or Wells sent to long-relief and Wellemeyer DFA'd—barring injury to one of the other pitchers.
Ideally, Wells pitches great and we're forced to send Thompson to AAA for starter depth. If Wellemeyer returns to the form he showed in the bullpen after coming over to the Cards (8:1 K:BB as a Cardinal reliever; 1.3 K:BB as a Cardinal starter) he'd be too valuable to get rid of. If he went back to the form he showed as a Royal, we'd be better off moving Thompson or Wells to the bullpen.
Somebody's got to go to make room for Carp. Ideally, everyone's pitching well enough to stick around and then Thompson's the odd man out.
i agree with your pre-carp roster
by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 8, 2007 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I just posted on the game thread, but I should
Maybe I'm in the minority based on a few comments I've seen here, but I'd rather see Wellemeyer and Wells stay where they are for the immediate future. They both seem to be doing fairly well - obviously Wells has been very good since he went to the bullpen, and Wellemeyer isn't setting the world on fire but he keeps us in games and doesn't give up many big innings. It would be nice if he went a little deeper into games, but will Wells be an improvement?
Maybe I've just got too many bad memories of Wells' starts. He's obviously pitching different out of the bullpen, but I'm not at all convinced that will translate to his starts.
Speaking of our bullpen, did you see the ERAs we threw at SF today? 1.42, 1.59, 1.23, and 1.53 for Cate, Percival, Franklin, and Izzy. I know Cate and Percival especially are small sample sizes, but those are fun numbers to see. Throw in Spiezio's 0 ERA and BAA, and that's a pretty solid bullpen!
by BTown Birds fan on Jul 8, 2007 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
I'm for Wells as starter
It's worth another try, at least. If he can take the success he's had out of the bullpen and bring it with him to starting every fifth day, we'll be in great shape.
i agree
TLR seems to think that Wells has worked out
We're getting quite the bullpen logjam, though. Surely there is some sort of trade or something in the works. A guy with an ERA in the 1s that you're using as a mop-up guy is worth more in trade than what you're getting out of him.
Wells, again
1)Goes to the bullpen
2)Replaces Thompson in rotation
3)Is DFA'd.
Wells great career line against the Phillies is what is giving him this start, along with his willingness to go to the bullpen and work out his problems. This buys them 1 more 5 day cycle without Carpenter. I'd imagine in his next rehab start, he'll air it out to about 60 pitches and then finally in his last one, he'll throw 70+.
I'd be stunned if Wells starts againt the Marlins, unless he takes Thompson's spot.
Thompson still has options left, correct? I'd imagine he'll be headed down to Memphis so that they don't have to release Wellemeyer or Wells right away.
THAT may make me cry.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 9, 2007 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope not
Cardinals management should basically look at Reyes' spot and simply acknowledge that it switched to Thompson. They planned the season for Reyes being in the rotation, so now that Thompson has proved he deserves the spot, they shouldn't mess with it.
Wells should have to string together much more than one good start in order to take the spot of a guy who has been for the most part our only consistent starter.
Well(s)emeyer
Kip Wells might have been horrible, but I like his chances of parlaying his success in the pen into a starting role better than that of Wellemeyer sustaining whatever sort of relative success he's had as a starter.
Also, remember that Wellemeyer was a mess in KC. It seems like he's stabilized, somewhat and might be an effective weapon out of the pen.
Although, if it came down to it, I think I like Thompson as a starter over a possibly resurgent Wells...
bullpen surplus
by vinniefromjersey on Jul 9, 2007 8:38 AM EDT reply actions
I can't see them trading a lefty bullpen guy,
by CardFaninVA on Jul 9, 2007 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I put this in the morning thread..
Here's the way it should be.
At the same time, after Wellemeyer pitched so flawlessly the other day, why are we going to punish him by dropping him to the bullpen and bring up Wells? Makes no sense, and sends Wellemeyer mixed signals.
Here's how it should be:
Wainwright
Maroth
Thompson
Looper
Wellemeyer
Once Carpenter comes back we replace Wellemeyer with him. At this point Wellemeyer goes to the bullpen, and we should cut our losses and release Wells. We cut Sidney Ponson when he had a 4-4 record. I don't care that Wells is four times as expensive as Ponson was, I still say keeping him around with his record makes no sense.
Once Mulder comes back we either replace Thompson or Looper. We'll see who is doing better by then.
by Ghost on Jul 9, 2007 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
don't
Bullpen logjam
Putting Flores on the DL would allow them to keep Cate with the big club once TJ returns, plus provide a little more time before Carp returns to evaluate Wells and Wellemeyer...who, quite frankly, have both done a better job than Flores from the bullpen this season.
Keep Thompson!
I don't like Wells as a starter, but having him as a long man would be nice. He can eat some innings, and also holds a .191 career batting average so doesn't have to be pinch hit for every time. Him being there would cut down on the bullpen innings and possibly free up a reliever or two for trade.
- Carpenter
- Wainwright
- Maroth
- Looper
- Thompson
Hopefully Mulder can get back this year and we can have Looper and Thompson battle it out, and then our bullpen is set with Thompson/Looper, Flores, Franklin, Izzy, Johnson, Percival, Springer, Wellemeyer, and Wells. Along with Reyes, we now have some good trade bait.
I wouldn't mind seeing Izzy, Wells, Juan, and Eckstein all traded off at the deadline. Those four combine for over 22 million this season, and in my eyes can be replaced within the organization. But I guess thats a different topic.



















