Game 79 Open Thread: July 2, 2007 7:10 CDT

by azruavatar on Jul 2, 2007 6:36 PM EDT in St. Louis Cardinals News


webb	looper
8-5, 3.05	6-6, 4.66

GAME TIME 7:10 CDT

Reyes back down to Memphis per Bernie on the radio. Blah blah blah. It's the same bulls**t that we've been hearing for the whole season. Whatever side of the Reyes debate you're on, this is without a doubt the proper way to mess up a pitching prospect. Let's make a list: 1) back and forth on the minor-major shuttle 2) attempt to change repetoire during transition 3) don't throw them on a regular 5 day pitching schedule. Hardcore and I hashed out the details in the morning thread...this is probably the 3rd or 4th time we've (good-naturedly) locked claws over it and I doubt many opinions were changed. Don't expect to see Reyes until September barring injuries to the rotation. Apparently Tony never wanted to bring Reyes up earlier in the season (that is verbatim from Bernie on the radio show). Reyes has gone from being the consensus top prospect in our system characterized as having front of the roation makeup to a pitcher struggling to hang on to a rotation spot. I can only imagine what he feels like right now.

In other news, Eck is to be evaluated by Paletta tonight and may not be back till post All Star Break (per Bernie on 1380). If that's the case, can we stop this bizarro world game of playing Miles at SS and Brendan Ryan at 2B -- it's laughable.

I've got up a little tidbit on Mark Buerhle over at Future Redbirds (my regular stomping grounds with erik). Given what has been said in the Chicago media, I think the package I've proposed would work but could definitely be outbid by several other teams depending on their level of interest in Buerhle.

I'll be MIA for tonights' game. But I gotta say I have an unpleasant feeling about Looper coming off the DL to lock horns with Webb, who has been exceptional outside Arizona's ballpark. Arizona is playing .544 baseball currently and the Cardinals...well the Cardinals aren't. I hate to be Debbie Downer but I hope Looper's got the stuff we saw in his early starts and not the later ones.

Drink a cold one for me tonight folks -- I'm off to 6 hours of class. Go Redbirds!

(And thanks to Larry for the privilege of contributing to a first class blog which of course consists of a first class community. I enjoyed this little blogging escapade -- hopefully, y'all did too.)

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The problem is crystal clear...

LaJocketty cannot/will not manage a team for any purpose other than winning immediately. Since winning immediately can't happen with the current talent level, all they can do is dig a deeper hole for the organization.

Therefore, I say...

Fire LaJocketty, Hire DePodesta!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 2, 2007 6:36 PM EDT reply actions

LaRussa said before Reyes was called up

for his 3 start stint (which saw an 12 runs in 14.1 innings) that they didn't believe Anthony was ready to come back yet and that didn't want to call him up but had to because of Looper's injury.

Let's be honest, Anthony did his job. He replaced Looper in the rotation. Just not the Looper before he was facing shoulder pain. More like the Looper that gave up 16 runs in 16.1 innings.

If Eck stays on the DL, can we PLEASE start letting Ryan get at-bats? At the very least, he can provide better defense than Miles/Kennedy.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 2, 2007 6:47 PM EDT reply actions

AZ and Erik

Don't know if you guys noticed, but Gordon mentioned Future Redbirds in his chat today. He referred someone there for more info on the man, the legend, Amaury Cazana Marti.

by OCCardsFan on Jul 2, 2007 6:48 PM EDT reply actions

Good for you guys....

Two must stops every morning for me are here and Future Redbirds. Even if you don't think you are that into the minors, stop by and read, cause Erik and Az will make you more knowledgeable about mechanics and give you a better understanding of the game.

Oh, and they are usually pretty damn funny too. Intentionally.

Anybody catch the KTRS feed on Sunday? The Mad Hungarian was talking about pitching to contact and how "smart pitchers" do it. I threw up a little in my mouth.

by Brock20 on Jul 2, 2007 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh--pitch to contact....

my son just pitched in a game that he lost 6-2--his team made SIX errors......one problem with pitch to contact.

by jillsinmo on Jul 3, 2007 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions

I don't like Paletta

"evaluating" Eck. I wouldn't trust that man to diagnose a hangnail.

"It's always about money; anyone who says it's not is lying."- Gene Simmons

by cardsrul on Jul 2, 2007 6:53 PM EDT reply actions

If I was Anthony I'd ask to be traded

the kid's been handled terriably. it's almost funny, but it's not. Welley's luck has to run out sometime. and i bet its sooner rather than later. who knows what LOOP can give them. UGH

and didnt Webb almost no hit them late last season? be ready folks. it might happen again.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 6:53 PM EDT reply actions

buerhle

ESPN.com has an article on the possibility of trading him here. Didn't realize he was from St. Charles.

by tomsteele on Jul 2, 2007 6:54 PM EDT reply actions

i love the fact

that he proposed to his wife in a tree stand. How could we NOT give this guy 4/60M?

"A lot of people said, 'Man, you're a redneck for proposing in a tree stand,'" Buehrle said in a 2005 interview with the Chicago Tribune's Melissa Isaacson. "I was like, 'I like to be out in the country, I like to hunt.' If people want to say I'm a redneck, whatever, I don't care. That's my nature."

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 2, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

I hope Wellemeyer's arm falls off

Sorry to Todd, who's a fine man I'm sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures and I don't want to see the Cardinals trade Reyes for Victorino or some other assuredly mediocre bounty.

This is easily the dumbest thing LaDunc has ever done. Jocketty's award is still safe, because it takes a lot to equal Haren/Barton/Calero for Mulder, but this is a pretty stupid move.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 2, 2007 6:54 PM EDT reply actions

That won't help

Reyes is further down on the depth chart

Carpenter
Wainwright
Looper
Maroth
Wellemeyer
Thompson
Reyes/Wells

You better hope Thompson's arm falls of too, cause he'll get Wellemeyer's spot.

Brad Thompson: Cardinals top pitching prospect.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 2, 2007 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Wellemeyer and Maroth

temporarily lose the use of their throwing arms in a terrible chinese finger trap accident.

Not only that, but Kip Wells, racked with guilt about having given them the finger trap, goes on bereavement leave.

I think that about covers it.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 2, 2007 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions

TLR has been listening to hip-hop on IPOD

Per Hummel:

"When he goes down there and pitches well, it's like money in the bank. He needs experience. Every time he goes out there, he learns."

Edmonds and Eck won't be availible until after ASB. I'm REALLY glad that Rick "I don't have options" Ankiel didn't get these 20 games of experience in.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 2, 2007 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions

If optioning Reyes is the dumbest thing...

...they've ever done, they must be certifiable geniuses. The guy can still pitch in the minor leagues (which is clearly where he belongs based on his performance), and he might actually learn ways to pitch that will allow him to be an effective major league pitcher.

by willievinceterry on Jul 2, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Good Luck fellas!

Good luck tonight and this series fellas. I havent really been keeping up with the Cards this year, but AZ has been an interesting team. Alot of the young hitters have struggled in thier first full years, and the offense has been carried by (if you can believe it) Hudson (scary) and Byrnes (even scarier). Pitching really has been a surprize, esp the pen, who up until yesterday was rated 3rd best in the NL (SD, LA).

Anyway, we are here...

http://forum.diamondbacksbullpen.org/
http://www.azsnakepit.com/

Have a good one!

by qudjy1 on Jul 2, 2007 6:59 PM EDT reply actions

oh, some things i forgot

AZ is on pace for 92 wins - but really isnt that good of a team - pythag says about 500 - which seems closer to me.

Webb has not been the same pitcher he was last year, his mechanics and therefore location are all messed up. If you see him falling off to the 3B side - he will start losing controll, and sink - if that is the case, he can be hit.

I dont know much about looper starting - Any good?

B-Refs preview:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/previews/2007/SLN200707020.shtml

by qudjy1 on Jul 2, 2007 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Looper

he was their most consistent starter coming out of the gate, but then ran into some shoulder pain and was pretty ineffective. this will be his first start since his DL stint, and I'm certainly not expecting much.

Orlando Hudson would look nice in a Cards uniform.

Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jul 2, 2007 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Hudson

Hudson will probably go to the highest bidder after next year - he has deflected talk about extending him, and was talking nice about the yankees...

by qudjy1 on Jul 2, 2007 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Me likey

the B-R game preview you linked. Never found that before.

by Just Rope Ball on Jul 2, 2007 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions

New

The BR game preview is pretty new - i think about a month old. Its pretty awesome, and is designed as a printout you bring to the game.

Good game yesterday fellas... Dbacks are really sliding right now.. :-(

by qudjy1 on Jul 3, 2007 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions

hypothetical Reyes trade

Reyes to the Mets for Milledge?

One of the few trades I would not celebrate by throwing up in my mouth.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 2, 2007 7:10 PM EDT reply actions

Sure...

dunno if Reyes would bring that, but I'd bet the org would never go for it. Milledge just doesn't play the "right" way.

I can just see the guy rotting in Memphis while Schumaker stays in STL running out all his pop ups and respecting his elders.

Fire LaJocketty, Hire DePodesta!!!

by guayzimi on Jul 2, 2007 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions

minaya should tout him as

Larry Miller, a hustlin' white boy from central missouri who recently recorded a country western album.

by DanUpBaby on Jul 2, 2007 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions

OMG.....

My son and I were just talking about that at the dinner table....even though he lost again, Reyes really did pitch very well against the Mets....I'm sure Rick Peterson will have no problem getting him over the hump, he's worked wonders with some pitchers that didn't have much success with other teams....and Lastings is very much out of favor with the Mets. I believe he is hurt right now, and I heard he had a "big Head" to which I say so what.....the team guys can get him back to earth.....I do think LaDunc couldn't have handled Reyes any worse, however. And I will again commend Reyes for his behavior through this whole ordeal, because he hasn't whined, complained, or even hung his head down, and La Dunc has even talked in the press about every little and big thing he does wrong........the other pitchers don't get that kind of scrutiny in the press. And especially over the weekend, when Duncan talked about how "hard" Wellemeyer worked to do what was asked. No one has ever accused Reyes of not working hard, and it almost seemed like Dunc implied it--totally uncalled for. Whew, I'm so glad all of our pitching problems are solved!!

by jillsinmo on Jul 2, 2007 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I just don't get it

What is wrong with him going to the minors and actually learning how to pitch? What benefit does it do anyone for him to go out and continue to lose games? What else would you have done? Release someone on the roster?

by willievinceterry on Jul 2, 2007 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Releasing someone sounds good.

Kip Wells.

by 3rdgencardsfan on Jul 2, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions

what does he have to learn

by repeating a league that he's dominated multiple times? He is obviously way too good for AAA, as even a cursory look at the numbers would indicate. Maybe if he weren't jerked around and criticized at every opportunity he would pitch better?

by DanUpBaby on Jul 2, 2007 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Or maybe they'd just quit trying to

make him into a sinkerball pitcher. I mean it's all well and good, but every pitcher can't throw every pitch. They have also made sure that everything that they see as him doing wrong got into the paper. I don't think they've done that with any of the other pitchers--and we watch the games, we've seen many, many mistakes. Reyes is in the doghouse, and has been for some time. I saw him for the first time on the news-I never even knew what he looked like-but I think he looked shell shocked. They've finally killed him. I hope they trade him for his sake, LaDunc ain't never going to have him feel comfortable here. And it came right after he pitched a game their way, ground ball after ground ball, then the rain came, and no chance to anything but tally it in the lost column.

by jillsinmo on Jul 3, 2007 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions

You're being a tad melodramatic

aren't you?

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2007 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions

Possibly, probably......

but I just think they don't like that style of pitching, and they are forcing him to adapt in ways he finds difficult to do. If they think he's not a good enough pitcher for the bigs, if they think he can't make it with the pitches he has, trade him. Trade him to the Brewers or the Cubs so we can beat up on him.......They have ALWAYS looked at him in terms of what he CAN'T DO instead of what he CAN DO. With the cost of pitching, no organization can afford to let one get away. He may never develop into a solid major league pitcher, but I know for sure he won't the way they have handled him.....

by jillsinmo on Jul 3, 2007 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions

Dunk's batting clean up. I like it.

I like it a lot.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 7:40 PM EDT reply actions

The Rich Hill Parallel?

The Cubbies Rich Hill had ridiculous minor league numbers along the line of Reyes', but got his asshole penetrated for several stints up and down in the majors for about a year and a half. He'd come up, get shelled despite decent periphs, go down dominate ad infinitum. Now he's posting legit numbers at the big league level. I can only hope...

Pujols currently < Career godliness.

by joker24 on Jul 2, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions

Three Outs

Three balls in the air. Buckle-up this may be a wild ride.

by ZiggyG on Jul 2, 2007 8:17 PM EDT reply actions

Damn, So has been great at working

opposing pitchers of late.

The St Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champs!

by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 8:19 PM EDT reply actions

sinker got him...

But I can't complain too much about a 7 pitch at bat.

The St Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champs!

by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions

Instant Breakfast

Is Encarnacion hurt? Or is TLR just rewarding Ludwick for his good game on Sunday?

by Molina4MVP on Jul 2, 2007 8:20 PM EDT reply actions

17 games pujols

lets do it tonight!

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 2, 2007 8:21 PM EDT reply actions

huh?

The St Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champs!

by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I concur. . .

Quoi?

"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Jul 2, 2007 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions

i think

that is his homerless drought.

by Molina4MVP on Jul 2, 2007 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions

homerless streak.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 2, 2007 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Nice play by Miles...

On to the bottom of the 2nd!

The St Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champs!

by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions

11 pitches per inninng. . .

nice comeback stats.

"It ain't bragging if you can do it!" -- Dizzy Dean

by faninexile on Jul 2, 2007 8:30 PM EDT reply actions

yadi

hooray!

by tomsteele on Jul 2, 2007 8:38 PM EDT reply actions

YADIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!

I think my name says it all.

by Molina4MVP on Jul 2, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions

So he walks Kennedy on 4 pitches,

then the next 2 guys both swing at the first pitch? Luckily, it worked out for Yadi, but that just doesn't seem like good hitting...

by CardFaninVA on Jul 2, 2007 8:40 PM EDT reply actions

and to be fair,

the second guy is a pitcher batting under .150.

by tomsteele on Jul 2, 2007 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions

Just proves

that you dont have to have a complete bat to get a hit. That bat had all of one hit left in it.

Dont give up boys!

by yer dog first on Jul 2, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions

In honor of the Reyes situation. . .

my signature line now reflects my opinion of the current STL management philosophy.

"Against stupidity. . . God, Himself, contends in vain." -- Ancient Irish Proverb

by faninexile on Jul 2, 2007 8:42 PM EDT reply actions

Yadier.

Since coming back from Injury, Yadier is 5/8 with 3 RBIs.
Weren't some people worried that he was coming back too early and his hitting would suffer?
I think we all know he will be the MVP of BOTH leagues this year, because he is so amazing.

by Molina4MVP on Jul 2, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions

also

he will pitch an 11-inning perfect game to win the world series clincher. who will he be throwing to? himself.

by tomsteele on Jul 2, 2007 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions

bugs bunny did this once

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions

No

that would be impossible. (only because he would have hit at least 2 home runs, so it wouldn't go 11 innings.)

by Molina4MVP on Jul 2, 2007 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Does TLR's treatment of

Reyes remind anyone of Joe Torre's treatment of Brian Jordan? Of course, BJ bitched at every opportunity, unlike Reyes.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Jul 2, 2007 8:47 PM EDT reply actions

rolen ties record?

what record did he tie? mclaughlin (sp?) just said he tied the record.

if it's the record for most assists in an inning, with 3, i'm going to put my fist through my computer monitor.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 8:48 PM EDT reply actions

make it worthwhile

put it through dan's face.

by Molina4MVP on Jul 2, 2007 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions

it can't be for consecutive errorless innings. . .

could it?

"Against stupidity. . . God, Himself, contends in vain." -- Ancient Irish Proverb

by faninexile on Jul 2, 2007 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions

yup

that's what it was. He's said it quite a few times.

I dunno, it makes me smile...

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 2, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions

FWIW

Lilly's got a no hitter through 4, but he's thrown 68 pitches!

by Big Red on Jul 2, 2007 8:49 PM EDT reply actions

good

he's on my fantasy team.

by stlcardinalsfang on Jul 2, 2007 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Its over

Ryan Christiansen double over Floyd with 2 outs in the 5th.

by Big Red on Jul 2, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions

Duh

Brian Schneider. I have no idea why I said Christiansen.

by Big Red on Jul 2, 2007 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions

for a sharp pitcher. . .

Webb is certainly having some trouble this early in a game.

"Against stupidity. . . God, Himself, contends in vain." -- Ancient Irish Proverb

by faninexile on Jul 2, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions

Lilly

gave up his no hitter with 2 outs in the bot. of the 5th with a double to Brian Schneider.

by Molina4MVP on Jul 2, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions

looper making me nervous

nice first four innings, but no strikeouts. not too many no-run starts come with no strikeouts.

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions

I can't complain. . .

if they want to swing early in the count, it's fine with me.

"Against stupidity. . . God, Himself, contends in vain." -- Ancient Irish Proverb

by faninexile on Jul 2, 2007 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

well

that's why we got him 2 runs. He can give one up if he has to.

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 2, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Quite frankly

If he allows one or two runs a game for the rest of the year, he doesn't have to strike anyone out again. I don't care if he's throwing it like Jennie Finch.

The Falcoholic
The SBNation's Atlanta Falcons Blog

by Dave Choate on Jul 2, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions

/rolls eyes

i agree. in fact, if every start, he goes 6 innings, gives up 3 runs, and strikes out none, i would be happy.

what i meant, and expressed in a somewhat casual/flippant manner, is that a pitcher not striking anyone out is a recipe for failure in the long term. because whether a ball put in play is an out or not is pretty much luck.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions

You can't be serious

about that statement? that "whether a ball put in play is an out or not is pretty much luck"?????

by Fred McTaggart on Jul 2, 2007 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions

and for the record

jennie finch was a ridiculously good pitcher, including, i believe, when it came to strikeouts.

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions

wow

HELL of a play. that and two home runs will keep you in the big leagues for a while.

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions

Sure will

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 2, 2007 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Pitches are getting elevated now.

The St Louis Cardinals- 11 time World Champs!

by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions

WHY?

This is just like Saturday. WHY didn't he get a new pitcher in? Absolutely maddening. $(#^^& Giving the game away.

by willievinceterry on Jul 2, 2007 9:28 PM EDT reply actions

read my signature

"Against stupidity. . . God, Himself, contends in vain." -- Ancient Irish Proverb

by faninexile on Jul 2, 2007 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe leaving Looper in was stupid

But optioning Reyes was about the only option the team had. I understand people want Reyes to "get a chance," but the guy's 0-10 with a 6+ ERA and he's the only one who can be optioned. There's nothing stupid about sending him down.

by willievinceterry on Jul 2, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions

That wasn't much

motion for a balk. And it bites Looper in the butt. Me thinks we are in trouble now.

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 2, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions

Woop-de-doo

He got through the inning and saved the bullpen one out. AFTER giving up the lead when he was clearly out of gas. Really, really frustrating.

by willievinceterry on Jul 2, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions

Meanwhile, in pittsburgh,

the pirates bring in a 39yo rookie to defend a 7th inning 3-3 tie; he promptly gives up 7 runs to the brewers, including damian miller's second HR of the day (a grand slam).

The sad thing is that MIL plays the astros/reds/pirates more times than we do in the second half.

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 2, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions

That's depressing

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 2, 2007 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions

lud's monster hr yesterday

hittracker updated, but only included the short home run. hopefully they'll get to the other one later tonight.

by tomsteele on Jul 2, 2007 9:39 PM EDT reply actions

AK gets a gift hit.

at least something good happened for him.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions

And RBIs

Color me surprised.

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 2, 2007 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions

kennedy

what, is today opposite day?

by tomsteele on Jul 2, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions

let's go yadi

get looper the win

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 9:45 PM EDT reply actions

he would have,,

if only his momma had made him faster.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Well

At least they got him off the hook for the loss. Yadi thought Webb's moves constituted a balk.

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 2, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions

only yadi.......

could get thrown out at first right there. lord is he slow.

Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jul 2, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions

DP

what's the cards ratio of DP and GDIP? because it seems like its totally flip floped from the past few years

by roscoe on Jul 2, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions

hmm

I couldn't find numbers for team double plays turned, so these numbers are just the totals for each player (and therefore count double plays twice or three times). But we can probably assume that the average number of players involved in double plays is fairly static.

180 DP, 66 GDP = 2.73
467 DP, 129 GDP = 3.62
531 DP, 127 GDP = 4.18
414 DP, 121 GDP = 3.42

So yes, it looks like we haven't been turning as many.

by tomsteele on Jul 2, 2007 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions

oops

oh shoot, here are the actual numbers

68 DP, 66 GDP = 1.03
170 DP, 129 GDP = 1.32
196 DP, 127 GDP = 1.54
154 DP, 121 GDP = 1.27

by tomsteele on Jul 2, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions

I wish they'd show

Webb's pickoff move from the 3rd base side. It really, really looks like a balk from the angle they are showing.

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 2, 2007 9:48 PM EDT reply actions

Reyes, etc,, etc...

Everybody jumping on the team for sending Reyes down. What were they supposed to do once Looper came back? Tell Percival thanks for the two W's so long? Waive Thompson or Wells and his contract? Wellemeyer?
Reyes has got plenty of talent and pitched well in his last outing, but he's 0-10 for cripes sake. Is that all LaRussa/Duncan's fault? In what baseball universe would he have been an effective pitcher with that 6+ era? He was orginally sent down to work on his approach - so be it.
God rest Bob Broeg, but if Bernie were a great sportswriter, he wouldn't be in Saint Louis. In all defference to Bernie, Reyes may never be an effective ML starting pitcher, and to be one he needs to find consistancy; that's what AAA is for. Lighten up already.

by deweydell on Jul 2, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions

Thank you

And thanks to Hardcore Legend for injecting a little sanity re: the Reyes discussion. There was no other move to make there.

by willievinceterry on Jul 2, 2007 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions

nice pitch Russ.

that's a nasty curve.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 9:55 PM EDT reply actions

why the heck does SKIPPY always

swing at the first pitch????

lucky for him, the Dbacks infield sucks.

SO, i request a hit.

I'm going to go try to find a puppy and kick it. - Brad Thompson And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 9:57 PM EDT reply actions

Is anyone else

surprised that, at this moment, Miles and Pujols have the same BA - .308?

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 2, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions

I'd be more surprised if they had...

...the same slugging percentage. But Miles has been good. He hits a lot of singles, though! And not a lot of the other kinds of hits.

by willievinceterry on Jul 2, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Is anyone else

surprised that Skip is above the Mendoza line?

by CardFaninVA on Jul 2, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions

What the heck was that,

So?

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions

that will work.

good night Webb. take your sinker and go bye-bye.

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:00 PM EDT reply actions

I lost the MLB TV feed

What did So do?

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:01 PM EDT reply actions

took one for the team

Gonna have a bruise.

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 2, 2007 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Please bunt, Tony

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:03 PM EDT reply actions

WOW

they are one of the worst infields in the bigs.

make them pay Albert. make them pay dearly.

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions

Lucky...

I'll take it!

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions

albie

good time to break the hr slump.

by tomsteele on Jul 2, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions

Must score here

Must score here. Please. Anything but a pop-up or strikeout.

by willievinceterry on Jul 2, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions

HECK YES ALBERT!

way to go the other way and take second on the throw. but you were almost out.

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:06 PM EDT reply actions

YEA DUNK!

pile on some more gents!

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:07 PM EDT reply actions

Is the IF back?

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:09 PM EDT reply actions

that was pretty effing weak Rolen

LUD, dont be a DUD. hit it to the river dude.

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions

diamondbacks got a break on that one

Should have been an rbi base hit for ludwick.

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jul 2, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions

didn't he throw his glove at it?

isn't that illegle?

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I belive it is illegal for OFers

to throw anything at the ball, including their gloves. I am unsure obout IFers.

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Well

Cubs and Brewers both win big. Cubs 7-2 over the Nats and Brewers 10-3 over the Pirates. Clemens got the win over the Twins - 5-1.

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 2, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions

Am I the only one...

that thinks this lineup is ALOT more dangerous with Duncan in the 4, Rolen in the 5 and RF dujour in the 6 hole? Put Molina's .280+ BA in the 7 spot and add Carp, Eck and we still got a shot. We just need to get within 5 back at the ASB, IMO...GO CARDS!

by MaskedMan on Jul 2, 2007 10:12 PM EDT reply actions

Agreed

Although I wonder what will happen when Edmonds comes back? If he'd agree to hitting second, that could be ideal.

by willievinceterry on Jul 2, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions

I like it

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 2, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh well

I'll take the 3 runs. And 6 in a game against Webb is about 5 more than I expected. Very good job overall at the plate in this game. It is nice to see Duncan do well in the cleanup spot. It gives the lineup more balance. And I don't mind the light-hitting Miles in front of Pujols as long as he keeps getting hits.

by willievinceterry on Jul 2, 2007 10:13 PM EDT reply actions

Franklin looks like a mean dude...

...in his Gameday picture. It looks like he should be in prison. (I would say something nice about his pitching here but don't want to jinx him.)

by willievinceterry on Jul 2, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions

Ok, now I'll say it

Excellent work! Again. Man, he's been good.

by willievinceterry on Jul 2, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions

i'm surprised he's done so well

if he keeps this up, i wouldnt mind if the Cards brought him back next season.

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions

YADDI YADDI YADDI YADDI

YADDI

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions

Ahhh, thats the Molina I remember.

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:24 PM EDT reply actions

Shu' is up

Over/ under on pitches he sees?

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions

I start with 3

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Balk-in Joe West...

by MaskedMan on Jul 2, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions

That's a sacrifice flinch for shoe...

that counts for 6 pitches, so far

by MaskedMan on Jul 2, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions

A bright spot

Kennedy for the night: 1-2 w/ 2 BBs. His balls in play were a hard ground ball that found a hole (kind of) and a 400-foot flyout to center. That tells me he's seeing the ball a little better. Hopefully a sign of things to come...

by CardFaninVA on Jul 2, 2007 10:29 PM EDT reply actions

So much for an Izzy scare-fest/save...

by MaskedMan on Jul 2, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions

Great atbat by Shu'

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions

Has so hit in like

24 of his last 25 games or so?

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions

we really

suck a lot less than we've shown this year...heads up for the rest of the season!

by MaskedMan on Jul 2, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions

ok, well, let's not be crazy here

now al is saying, basically, that hit/RBI was nice for skip, but other than that, it's a shame because now it's not a save situation.

tell you what. if the cards are up by 4+ runs going into every ninth inning, so the cards NEVER have a save situation going into the 9th, well, that will be just fine with me. and i have a feeling it will be just fine with dave duncan.

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions

that was really a dumb statement by Al

why would Dave be sad IZZY won't get a save? that's just stupid.

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions

dan helps him out

lets him explain himself a little. i still think he sounded like a moron.

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions

Wait, is it Sunday?

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions

i luv the DBacks infield

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:33 PM EDT reply actions

seriously.

for as much hype as these "young hitters" have gotten in arizona, they seem to be really, really shaky on defense.

makes you wonder if webb's era would be more harenesque if he had a better infield behind him.

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions

They looked

very bad defensively tonight, that's for sure.

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 2, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions

booo

whatever skip did after pitch no. 6, it seems to have broken gameday.

by tomsteele on Jul 2, 2007 10:36 PM EDT reply actions

and gamecast?

what the heck?!

by tomsteele on Jul 2, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Albert juuusssttt missed that one

let's go Dunk.

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions

Here comes Duncan's last AB until Wed

by CardFaninVA on Jul 2, 2007 10:37 PM EDT reply actions

I'd love to see the Cards plate 10 runs today.

How 'bout a base kcock for Sco'Roo?

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:40 PM EDT reply actions

i concur

smack one to the wall Scotty.

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions

that's downright scary

n/t

by sdesserman on Jul 2, 2007 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions

well called, sir

I thought for sure rolen was gonna have an inside the parker when i saw that bounce the way it did...

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by SleepyCA on Jul 2, 2007 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions

yeah.

there are a few guys on the cards' roster that would have.

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions

Who went to work today,

not realizing it was Sunday?

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:44 PM EDT reply actions

WHOO HOO!

bases loaded triple. freaking awesome scotty.

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:44 PM EDT reply actions

Thanks to that,

I now feel comfortable with Flores coming in.

by CardFaninVA on Jul 2, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions

comfortable is such a strong word

i will be able to remain sitting.

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions

WOW

did anyone else see duncan, taguchi and schumaker walking back to the dugout? it looked like the cowardly lion and two munchkins.

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 10:44 PM EDT reply actions

miles, rather

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Interesting to see the lineup tomorrow vs. Johnson

Rolen's 5-10 the last 2 nights, so maybe he'll bat cleanup. I pray that TLR leaves Duncan in there, but I realistically know that he'll probably sit him.

by CardFaninVA on Jul 2, 2007 10:48 PM EDT reply actions

guess

gooch
miles
pujols
rolen
enc
lud
yadi
kennedy

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Tony won't move Rolen

he's made it clear he like Rolen hitting in the 5 spot because Rolen is comfortable there.

I'd wager:
Gooch
Miles
Pujols
Encarnacion/Ludwick
Rolen
Ludwick/Encarnacion
Molina
Ryan
Wellemeyer

that is without looking at any stats.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jul 3, 2007 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions

we've traditionally hit Johnson well

And Duncan is a fastball hitter. I'd say there's a decent chance he'll start tomorrow against the aging fireballer.

.500 here we come...

by effin fisk on Jul 3, 2007 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions

I'd much rather see Dunc at 5

and bump Enc/Ludwick back to 6

by CardFaninVA on Jul 2, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions

me too.

but if you're going to keep encarnacion on the bench tomorrow, i mean, what the hell is he still doing on the roster?

(answer from the peanut gallery: what IS he?)

seriously though.

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Carpenter's rehab start

for Palm Beach was rained out. Assuming he'll pitch tomorrow.....

That's a winner!

by saveferris on Jul 2, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions

And that's a winner!!!!!!

Good job boys. Let's take game 2 tomorrow!

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by Zubin on Jul 2, 2007 10:53 PM EDT reply actions

that's a winner!

hope they didn't use up all the runs tonight. randy johnson and his bad back go tomorrow. let's take the series early, boys!

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by nycbirdo on Jul 2, 2007 10:54 PM EDT reply actions

And That's A Winner!

Hooray 11 run Mondays!

great game gents. LOOP was better than I'd thought he would be coming off the DL. they actually got to Webb. which is something I didn't think they could do. good thing for us the DBacks infield is terrible.

go get the Big Unit tomorrow boys.

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by gdm426 on Jul 2, 2007 10:55 PM EDT reply actions

Eleven

runs two days in a row! If I say our offense is back, will that jinx them? Never mind, I didn't say anything.

by cardsgirl95 on Jul 2, 2007 11:05 PM EDT reply actions

Very nice win tonight

I'm astonished we beat Webb on Looper's first start off the DL. Too bad the Brewers and Cubs both won too.

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by Mr Redbird on Jul 2, 2007 11:23 PM EDT reply actions

Props to Kennedy

The dude is barely over the Mendoza line, and has been almost universally awful, but I gotta give props to the guy for staying in the game after that grounder hopped up and (apparently) nearly separated one of his fingernails from his finger.

Dude was bleeding all over his pants as he wiped off the blood from his fingers in between pitches. He not only finished the play and got the out at first, he finished the inning in the field with blood everywhere, and THEN he batted the next inning and stayed in to finish the game.

He may be struggling BIG TIME, but at least the guy's a gamer. Gotta respect that.

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by Mr Clean on Jul 3, 2007 4:17 AM EDT reply actions