how to play for next year, part I
for the 2d time in 4 days, a cardinal farm team was no-hit --- this time short-season A batavia. a perfect game, no less. the previous no-hitter, you'll recall, wasn't technically a no-hitter --- after 14 hitless innings in a scoreless tie, the GCL cardinals ended up getting a few hits and winning the game 1-0 in the 17th.
nice win yesterday, but in spite of it i've finally decided to face facts: i think the cardinals are through for 2007. i'm hardly the first person to reach this conclusion; many of you got here weeks (or even months) ago. i've been holding out hope for a late-season rally, but my wishful thinking was predicated largely on carpenter's return to the rotation for the final 2 months. that won't be happening now, and as a result i can no longer convince myself that a resurgence --- a longshot even with carp back in the rotation --- is a realistic possibility. the cards have never have been all that far off the pace, and even now a single red-hot homestand could vault them back to within striking distance. but without carpenter, i just don't believe they can close the deal. in a best-case scenario (and i wouldn't bet on it happening), carp might get back onto a major-league mound for the last month ---- but if that happens, how well can he be expected to pitch?
i'm like any fan ---- i always hope for the best. it's what we fans are really good at. but it will take more than hope for the cardinals to get out of the decline that has gripped them for the last full calendar year (october excepted). it will take smart decisions by the front office. with the trade deadline looming, the cardinals have to be ready to seize any opportunity that presents itself to start restructuring this team. the discussion is already underway in this diary; i'm gonna add to it over the next couple of days. today i'll focus on position players only; i'll look at the pitchers tomorrow.
before i dive into this, a disclaimer: this is not a "blow up the team" discussion. admittedly, the notion of blowing it all up might lower the collective blood pressure of greater st louis --- dump this bum and that bum and that piece of crap, they all SUCK!!! --- but that's useless talk. the cardinals aren't going to go this route, and they'd be stupid to. it's not constructive; ya gotta look for solutions. as i wrote in the comment thread yesterday, the process has to begin with a discussion of what type of players the cardinals need to add, not which disappointments they should punish with a pink slip. that means taking stock of the organization's assets (current and future), identifying the holes, and then evaluating which ones can be filled from within the system and which ones will have to be filled from without. regarding the latter, the question then becomes: who's available via free agency or trade to fill those holes --- and can be acquired at a reasonable cost in money and/or talent.
we might as well begin this exercise with more bad news: the cardinals have left themselves very little room to maneuver. 11 players on the current roster are owed a total of $69 million in guaranteed money next season:
| pujols | $13m |
| carpenter | $10.5m |
| rolen | $10m |
| edmonds | $8m |
| encarnacion | $6.5m |
| mulder | $6.5m |
| looper | $5.5m |
| kennedy | $3.5m |
| spiezio | $2.3m |
| franklin | $2.3m |
| flores | $1m |
these figures do not include deferred money, which the club counts (illogically) as current-year payroll --- that boosts the above figure by $5m (albert has $3m deferred from next year's salary, rolen $2m). so by the team's lights, $74m of next year's payroll is already committed; if the cardinals exercise their $8m option on isringhausen (likely), that pushes the total to $82m, and the hefty raises that will be owed to three arb-eligible players (molina, maroth, and miles) push the total to nearly $90m. by the time you add in the salaries of pre-arb returnees like wainwright and duncan, next year's payroll is almost entirely spoken for --- before the cards have signed a single free agent or added a single impact player via trade. let me put this in roster-matrix form:
2008 ROSTER MATRIX
DEADLINE DUMP SPECIAL
| STARTING 8 | BENCH | ROTATION | PEN |
|---|---|---|---|
| molina c $1m |
schumaker of $400K |
carpenter rhp $10.5m |
is'hausen rhp $8m |
| pujols 1b $16m |
spiezio ut $2.3m |
mulder lhp $6.5m |
franklin rhp $2.3m |
| kennedy 2b $3.5m |
taguchi of $1m |
looper rhp $5.5m |
flores lhp $1m |
| rolen 3b $12m |
ryan if $400K |
maroth lhp $5m |
johnson lhp $400K |
| miles ss $1.5m |
VACANT c --- |
wainwright rhp $450K |
thompson rhp $600k |
| duncan lf $500K |
ankiel of memphis |
reyes rhp memphis |
kinney rhp $400k |
| edmonds cf $8m |
ludwick of memphis |
hawksworth rhp memphis |
cate lhp $400k |
| en'cion rf $6.5m |
hoffpauir if memphis |
garcia rhp memphis |
cavazos rhp memphis |
| --- --- |
j-rod of memphis |
boggs rhp memphis |
worrell rhp memphis |
| TOTAL $49.0m |
TOTAL $4.5m |
TOTAL $28.5m |
TOTAL $13.1m |
| OVERALL | PAYROLL: | $94.5 |
very obviously, they need to get rid of some payroll; either that, or raise the ceiling into the $110m range or so. they can make some easy trims by nontendering some of their arb-eligible players (maroth and miles come quickly to mind) and/or by declining isringhausen's $8m option. (they also hold a $1.1m option on taguchi, which they probably will exercise if he continues to swing the bat well.) i doubt they're gonna cut izzy, and miles will always have a place here as long as mr la russa is the manager; maroth is the most likely of the three to get dumped. aside from that, clearing payroll won't be easy. the cardinals are pretty much stuck with their two overpriced ex-sluggers, edmonds and rolen, who both have negative value on the trade market; the cardinals would have to give up large amounts of cash and/or some good talent to get rid of either contract. and even if the cards could move one of them, the organization doesn't have replacements who can step in and play 3b or cf next year (unless you think ankiel is ready, which i don't).
there probably is a trade market for encarnacion, albeit a weak one, and probably a better one for isringhausen --- but the cards might need to strike quickly to exploit it. there also is said to be interest in anthony reyes, who is the type of player (ie young and cheap) who the cardinals probably should not be trading --- but under the circumstances, i think they'd be well advised to convert him into some other form of talent. the only other guy who they might realistically move is braden looper, but i kinda doubt the market for him is all that great either; the innings are catching up to him, witness his recent trip to the disabled list and his record since may 1 (3 wins, 6 losses, 6.21 era). if they're lucky they might be able to get a platoon player or class A prospect for him, and that might be worth it, just for payroll savings. . . . .
but wait ---- as i said above, this is the wrong way to begin the discussion. while it's true that the cardinals will have to move some payroll off the books, the focus still needs to be on the talent coming in, not the talent going out. so --- again, looking only at the position-player side --- these are the organization's biggest needs, according to me:
- youth.
2008 assets: albert pujols (28 years old in 2008), chris duncan (27), yadi molina (25) on the big-league roster; rick ankiel (28), skip schumaker (28), brendan ryan (26), nick stavinoha (26), jarrett hoffpaiur (25), and joe mather (25) at triple A.
beyond 2008: colby rasmus (21), bryan anderson (21), mark shorey (23), cody haerther (24), john jay (23), mark hamilton (23).
players under the age of 30 have taken only a third of the the cardinals' non-pitcher at-bats this season, and a big chunk of that total has come from replacement-type players (ryan ludwick, skip schumaker, brendan ryan) whose major-league future, if any, probably lies in utility duty; they're not likely solutions to the cardinals' lineup problems. the crop of position-player prospects currently at triple A --- ankiel, ryan, stavinoha, mather, and hoffpauir --- might produce one big-league regular, if the cardinals are lucky; the double A crop is far more promising, but it's not likely to help in 2008. moreover, the best prospects are outfielders and first basemen; the cardinals need to get younger all over the diamond. the cardinals already have youth at first base, behind the plate, and at one outfield position, and rasmus will probably be ready by 2009 (maybe sooner) to add youth in center. a youngish middle infielder would really help. - speed.
2008 assets: none to speak of, really. the only players who could be described as fast are schumaker, taguchi, and ryan; ankiel reportedly runs pretty well when he's healthy, and both rolen and pujols are excellent baserunners despite a lack of great footspeed.
beyond 2008: rasmus, jay, daryl jones.
old and slow usually go together; kind of like beans and cornbread (or like dumb and dumber). the cardinals are dead last in the big leagues in stolen bases this season, and dead last in triples; nothing more to say about that. - on-base ability.
2008 assets: pujols (.412 obp this year), duncan (.385), spiezio (.364), and rolen (.341 in an off year) on the big-league roster; john rodriguez (.378 career big-league obp) and hoffpaiur (.360something career minor-league obp) at triple A.
beyond 2008: rasmus (.359 current-year obp), anderson (.372).
the cards rank 15th in the league in walks and 7th in on-base percentage. they never have been an extremely patient hitting team --- even in their offensive heyday they never ranked higher than 5th in the league in walks --- but they haven't finished this low in obp since 1999, when they ranked 10th in the league in scoring. one of their key on-base players, edmonds, can't stay on the field, and another (rolen) appears to be in decline. the cardinals' leadoff hitters have a collective .309 on-base percentage this year, which is 14th in the nl (houston and washington are worse). while the cardinals' farm system is definitely improving, plate discipline remains in alarmingly short supply throughout the ranks; the cardinals need to address that in their future drafts, and/or they need to work with their minor-league hitters to be more patient. - middle infielders.
2008 assets: kennedy, miles, ryan, hoffpaiur.
beyond 2008: tyler greene, the former #1 who's currently playing ss at double A, probably won't stay at short. the cardinals drafted two shortstops in the first 10 rounds of this year's draft, pete kozma and oliver marmol; the latter won't be ready for 3 years at the earliest (assuming he signs), and marmol is off to a slow start in short-season A (.173 average, although he does have some speed and a good batting eye).
so --- to wrap this up --- if the cardinals can swing one trade at the deadline to start restructuring this team, the ideal acquisition would be a 20something shortstop who can bat leadoff, draw a walk, and steal a base. somebody like rafael furcal, in whom the cards showed no interest when he was a free agent 2 off-seasons ago . . . . .
anybody know of such a player who might be available from a contending team that needs jason isringhausen for the stretch run? or maybe one on a rebuilding team that could find a place for a young starting pitcher like reyes? the comments are open.
i'll look at the pitching side of things tomorrow.
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Aside from the under 30 part
by Valatan on Jul 16, 2007 9:52 AM EDT 0 recs
good lord that would be awesome
by nycbirdo on
Jul 16, 2007 9:55 AM EDT
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The only name that I thought of right away
What contenders (besides the Tigers who may be shored up just by Zumaya coming back to back up Jones) need closer types?
by Alxfritz on
Jul 16, 2007 10:01 AM EDT
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the braves do
by lboros on
Jul 16, 2007 10:41 AM EDT
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Jesus Merchan
by Don Zero on
Jul 16, 2007 10:47 AM EDT
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doesn't look like a prospect to me
his career minor league stats: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/Jesus-Merchan.shtml
maybe he's a late bloomer, but it seems at least as likely that he's just having an aberrantly good half-season.
keep the suggestions coming, though. i never heard of this guy before; at least he's now on my radar.
by lboros on
Jul 16, 2007 11:08 AM EDT
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Braves fans
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/07/braves-want-imp.html
by Don Zero on
Jul 16, 2007 10:50 AM EDT
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I thought of the D-Backs
(Of course, too many good bullpen arms is never a bad thing.)
Braves and Indians would both be good fits for Izzy, if'n he allows himself to be dealt.
by Alxfritz on
Jul 16, 2007 11:03 AM EDT
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i only included the dbacks
by lboros on
Jul 16, 2007 12:09 PM EDT
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the Braves have
I'm not sure that any of them translate necessarily into a leadoff hitter, but I don't feel that we can be so choosy as to turn down a solid young SS b/c he projects as a #2 or #7 hitter rather than a leadoff hitter.
I'm sure Schuerholz would be interested in Reyes for the future and might be interested in Looper for the stretch run.
by houstoncardinal on
Jul 16, 2007 1:20 PM EDT
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first glance, off-the-cuff
2B; turns 24 next month; .309/.392/.434.
by nycbirdo on Jul 16, 2007 9:58 AM EDT 0 recs
they would not
by PGeorge on
Jul 16, 2007 12:25 PM EDT
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I'm not sure that
SS should be our #1 concern, beginning today.
by houstoncardinal on
Jul 16, 2007 1:41 PM EDT
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why not next year?
by SleepyCA on
Jul 16, 2007 4:14 PM EDT
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The Shortstop Conundrum
The Angels and the Diamondbacks are the only two other franchises I can think of that seem to have real surpluses at middle infield spots. The Angels obviously don't need a closer. I don't really know that much about what the DBacks are trying to do currently. I know they're contending, but their payroll situation, what they need to add, all that stuff is a mystery to me. I don't like the Diamondbacks enough to really pay attention to them, other than what Baseball America and the other publications have to say about their prospects.
by the red baron on Jul 16, 2007 9:58 AM EDT 0 recs
The D-backs
by nybirdfan on
Jul 16, 2007 11:16 AM EDT
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Quinten
by RAholt on
Jul 16, 2007 11:40 AM EDT
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Love to get Quentin
by liam on
Jul 16, 2007 11:51 AM EDT
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it would take
by nybirdfan on
Jul 16, 2007 10:04 PM EDT
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UUM, No. Don't they have the most
by jillsinmo on Jul 16, 2007 10:00 AM EDT 0 recs
yes, but
by nycbirdo on
Jul 16, 2007 10:01 AM EDT
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Ok, I'll play
by mikedallas23 on Jul 16, 2007 10:00 AM EDT 0 recs
cleveland
i guess jhonny peralta is probably too much, though.
by nycbirdo on Jul 16, 2007 10:03 AM EDT 0 recs
re: cleveland
by lindqja on
Jul 16, 2007 11:13 AM EDT
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Why?
by houstoncardinal on
Jul 16, 2007 1:22 PM EDT
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This is my band wagon
by Hammondsbird on
Jul 16, 2007 6:23 PM EDT
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The move I'd make right now is...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Jul 16, 2007 10:06 AM EDT 0 recs
....except a few runs
by sdrone on
Jul 16, 2007 11:04 AM EDT
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Except that Walker
by cardsrul on
Jul 16, 2007 12:08 PM EDT
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Well, even if they're out of reach,
by Don Zero on Jul 16, 2007 10:13 AM EDT 0 recs
Hanley
by mikedallas23 on
Jul 16, 2007 10:21 AM EDT
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trouble is,
by nycbirdo on
Jul 16, 2007 10:23 AM EDT
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Could we trade one of our players for
by jillsinmo on
Jul 16, 2007 10:34 AM EDT
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Tulowitzki
by cardsfanindenver on
Jul 16, 2007 2:31 PM EDT
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My family went to a game in Tulsa
by jillsinmo on
Jul 18, 2007 9:29 AM EDT
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Slightly off topic (Izzy wouldn't be in trade)
He's having a down year this year, which could mean he'd be ripe for the picking.
Still arbitration eligible as well I believe.
by KoryWiu14 on Jul 16, 2007 10:37 AM EDT 0 recs
but he's terrible defensively
by lboros on
Jul 16, 2007 10:42 AM EDT
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He was moved to 2B
by houstoncardinal on
Jul 16, 2007 1:23 PM EDT
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Julio Lugo
However, If the Red Sox make a run at Arod the Cards could find that Lugo would be a solution at SS. Orlando Cabrera could also shake loose via trade.
by Born in 82 on Jul 16, 2007 10:54 AM EDT 0 recs
would definitely take cabrera
by nycbirdo on
Jul 16, 2007 11:18 AM EDT
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Lboros' analysis above
by MdRedbirdFreak on
Jul 16, 2007 12:04 PM EDT
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This team could/should contend
This team will need a closer for next year.
by houstoncardinal on
Jul 16, 2007 1:25 PM EDT
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I wish I had your
by MdRedbirdFreak on
Jul 16, 2007 2:58 PM EDT
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We DON'T need Izzy
All things being equal, everybody would love to have a K-Rod. But many, many teams have succeeded by just giving the ball to the best arm in their bullpen.
And we're not talking about this resurgent '07 Izzy here, we're talking about the '08 model. Maybe he'll be just as good next year, but as he'll be turning 36 during next season, I think we'd be very wise to trade him now if we can recoup some value from this late career surge.
I'm not arguing Izzy isn't a valuable player - he is. That's why he makes a good trading chip right now.
by bgodar on
Jul 16, 2007 3:33 PM EDT
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Remember Ricky Bottallico?
by Valatan on
Jul 16, 2007 3:35 PM EDT
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Remember Jason Isringhausen?
I guess my point is that I don't see Troy Percival, Ryan Franklin and eventually maybe Chris Perez as being SO MUCH WORSE than Isringhausen '08 that it wouldn't be worth exploring a trade.
We have several players right now who are better than Bottallico or Veres. Saying "we can afford to trade our closer" isn't the same thing as saying "we can afford to have a lousy bullpen."
by bgodar on
Jul 16, 2007 4:05 PM EDT
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Cabrera could shake loose
He wouldn't solve the youth problem, but he would give us 1 more year to find the SS. It's important to remember that other teams are always trying to get younger as well, so Cabrera may be the one the Angels look to trade.
by houstoncardinal on
Jul 16, 2007 1:44 PM EDT
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Arroyo is a trade possibility for this year
It's being reported that Contreras may also be available.
It's always fun to bet on the future but I'm still focused on supporting the current team. I don't care if they win the division but I'd like to see them play well and get back to enjoying the game--like they clearly did last night. It was great to see them laughing together again in the dugout. THEY look like they feel as though they still have a chance and they are fighting hard so I'm staying with them. Plus, because of the adversity they've faced with JH's death and all the injuries this year, I think they deserve extra support even if its betting against the odds.
The offense may be catching fire. Wainwright certainly proved himself again as a worthy starter, even a potential ace. Thompson and Looper can be solid ground ball pitchers. TLR and Dunc both think Wellemeyer has enormous physicial and mental talents that could be refined. We obviously need another pitcher (at least). And for all the love Reyes has been shown on this site, I think his four seamer would have been batted out of the park repeatedly and he would have been chased from the game like our first two starters were. Unless he can figure out location, movement, or increase his velocity, I don't think he's an option (regardless of his relationship with Duncan).
So maybe we still have some options from the outside to pick up one or two more pitchers before the deadline and just try to do as well as we can.
by nycardfan on Jul 16, 2007 10:55 AM EDT 0 recs
Chin Lung Hu
Who manages this team? Pop Warner? Seems he is being groomed for the job. Kind of like Eric Wedge when he took over in Cleveland.
www.whiteyball.com
by whiteyball on Jul 16, 2007 11:02 AM EDT 0 recs
Don't the Braves have too many shortstops?
Yunel Escobar
Pete Orr
Brent Lillibridge
I imagine that Escobar's out of the question; and that Orr's older than we want.
by Don Zero on Jul 16, 2007 11:08 AM EDT 0 recs
a year ago
by erik on
Jul 16, 2007 11:29 AM EDT
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Thanks, Erik
by Don Zero on
Jul 16, 2007 11:41 AM EDT
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Lillibridge
by houstoncardinal on
Jul 16, 2007 1:51 PM EDT
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I like Boston...
I believe Izzy has a no trade clause in his contract though or he automatically gets no trade because of the 10/5 clause. If the club is serious about trading him, first step is find out where he would want to go. I think he would be fine with Boston. He is in the sundown of his career and Boston is in good shape to be serious contenders for the next 3 or 4 years, whereas the Cards are probably going to be doing rebuilding in those years.
If Boston wanted more (which they could), I have also read they would like to move Coco Crisp. If we threw Reyes in (which I would only do if we got something back), we could get that and help with the speed issue. He's still young and fairly cheap (07:$3.5M, 08:$4.75M, 09:$5.75M, 10:$8M club option ($0.5M buyout).
by WiscCard on Jul 16, 2007 11:08 AM EDT 0 recs
I don't think they want to move Papelbon anymore
by willievinceterry on
Jul 16, 2007 12:33 PM EDT
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Boston....
Lugo, that's an interesting one. The fans are calling for Alex Gonzalez to get starts. However, I have to wonder if Theo will give up so quickly on Lugo, who he's been universally raked over the coals for acquiring. Lugo's been absolutely dreadful this year, both hitting and in the field.
Side note, going to the Red Sox vs. Royals game tonight at Fenway Pahk. Currently arbitrating a dispute between my mom, who wants to root for the Royals because of Mid-West loyalty and my wife who just might put a size six tennis shoe up her ass if she does.
Thanks, Larry, by the way for the link back. I honestly cannot think of any team on the short list of buyers for bullpen help that has a MAJOR league ready SS to fit the bill.
You're out in Colorado though. What would take to get Barmes? He's had a horrible year and Tulo has cemented his position. Why not take a flier on Barmes and see if he can reproduce the pre-deer meat numbers?
by Brock20 on Jul 16, 2007 11:10 AM EDT 0 recs
nothing more relaxing than refereeing fights
barmes is worth bringing into the discussion, but i'm not a fan. his pre-deer-meat stats were just a fluke, i think --- he was never as good as all that, just got hot at the right time. sort of like bo hart with more power. his career minor-league OPS is only .752, and he doesn't draw walks --- this year only 17 in ~350 plate appearances. he's no longer even that young --- turned 28 this spring.
i'd just as soon have ryan out there. at least he's got superior skills in one aspect of the game (defense), and he's 3 yrs younger than barmes.
by lboros on
Jul 16, 2007 12:08 PM EDT
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But Alex Gonzalez...
by willievinceterry on
Jul 16, 2007 12:19 PM EDT
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I think the speculation on '08 and beyond
by lefty fan on Jul 16, 2007 11:29 AM EDT 0 recs
That is true. If LaDunc is coming back it will
by jillsinmo on
Jul 16, 2007 11:38 AM EDT
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Buster Olney
by cardsrul on
Jul 16, 2007 12:23 PM EDT
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Maybe it will take them getting TLR and Walt...
by willievinceterry on
Jul 16, 2007 12:30 PM EDT
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There you go!
What do you think we could get for Tony?
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