Game 89 Open Thread: July 16, 2007
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what an unusual pitching pairing. as i noted back in december, byung-hyun kim is one of the very few precedents for the braden looper experiment --- ie, one of the few career relievers to convert to a starting role midcareer. the comparison's holding up pretty well so far, at a superficial level anyway:
| career ERA relief |
career ERA starter |
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|---|---|---|
| kim | 3.51 | 4.81 |
| looper | 3.57 | 4.72 |
looper is hanging in there as a starting pitcher, but one of the major points of skepticism about this conversion --- would he have the stamina??? --- is proving to be more than justified. after 50 pitches, looper hits the wall:
| ab | hr | so | avg | obp | slg | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| pitches 1 - 50 | 196 | 2 | 27 | .219 | .271 | .301 |
| pitches 51 - up | 170 | 7 | 16 | .335 | .403 | .524 |
all hurlers tend to fare worse as their pitch counts mount, but this split is off the charts. after the 2d time through the order, looper should be pulled at the first sign of trouble.
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Still no word on Edmonds
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 16, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
I gotta
feeling
by barefootpirate on Jul 16, 2007 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
2006 WS for JB and DK57 RIP: Josh Hancock
Stoppin the Fish
Pulling Looper
Lineup
D. Eckstein SS
S. Schumaker CF
A. Pujols 1B
C. Duncan LF
S. Rolen 3B
J. Encarnacion RF
A. Kennedy 2B
G. Bennett C
B. Looper P
I thought Molina would get yesterday off, gets today instead. Still no Edmonds. With Skippy in the lineup, that means he wasn't activated either.
Skip played well last night, but why all of a sudden is he getting starts over Ludwick?
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 16, 2007 6:07 PM EDT reply actions
Kim is righthanded
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 16, 2007 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically
Skip over Lud
Like saying mud tastes better than dirt...
Ludwick = so-so average, lots of power, no walks. I guess he's like Craig Paquette (or probably Ankiel).
Sort of even out. I guess if you consider OBP more important than power, Skip would be better. But historically, Ludwick has done better in the past in terms of that than this year.
LaRussa's inability to remove pitchers on time
1) He wants them to go 5 innings to get the win.
That's nice of Tony and all, but there have been multiple occasions when he's left the starter in there and just "hopes" that the guy will work out of it. I've seen it this year with Looper and Wainwright.
2) He wants to keep guys in so that he can pinch-hit for them in the hitting half of the inning.
This one is insane. Maybe he does it because he wants to use his bench efficiently, I don't know. But it's just crazy. Win now, protect the lead now! Don't worry about having enough bench players later down the road! It's quasi-similar to his reasoning for leaving Albert on the bench in the All-Star game.
I can't remember where I read it, but someone said that LaRussa is too busy thinking three steps ahead that he doesn't see what's right in front of him. That's spot on.
These Marlins charity prizes
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 16, 2007 7:02 PM EDT reply actions
For Jay Randolph being
Was this Shannon absence expected or is his wife doing worse or something?
That may have been
Yikes.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 7:09 PM EDT reply actions
DUNK!!!!
man that feels good.
interesting early note, both leftys reached base against Kim, but both righty K'd. hummm,,,,
Eck struck out
Albert swings at 3 pitches out of the strike zone, while Skip takes 4 straight balls.
It's Bizzaro Cards tonight.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
that duncan HR got out in a HURRY
Per gameday-looper at 2 minutes since last pitch
Additionally,
yeah, they're awful
i didn't catch what the charity is supporting - based on the marlins' attendance, i'd guess player salaries. BA-ZING!
What is our record in games where we score....
in the first?
or have a lead after the first?
It seems like so many gmes where we have trailed as soon as the pregame show was over, that our record when we do score first must be very good.
Miquel Cabrerra?
Any thoughts?
Eck is pathetic in the field
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 16, 2007 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Heh, the WQAM guys
Looper
Oquendo must be wearing green
gary bennett CS
And announcer guy- throwing gary bennett out at second does not gain one "redemption".
Let's put Mark McGwire back on the roster
I bet that Jack Clark could run on Kim.
Oquendo must be wearing green
i'll give Direct TV $2,000
i dont care who's this if for, WANT TO WATCH A BASEBALL GAME.
why are the announcers
go back to the charity drive, that's at least as relevant to tonight's game.
I was thinking of going home early
I would have said the opposite...
WQAM... Marlins Radio
by ColinMacLeod on Jul 16, 2007 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
i've never really had a problem with the STL
Give some credit
Al Hrabosky does annoy me, though. Rick Horton does a great job. He's respectful of the players and other baseball men without being obeisant. He strikes the right balance, I think.
I haven't paid much attention to Gordon for years.
guess i should have been clearer
the PD guys i think do a very good job of calling out the Cards if they suck. Bernie is the only guy I've heard calling out the Cards on tv and the radio. I think he does that because no one else does. antagonistic is a good word to use to describe him sometimes. but he and Gordon when they are on FSN are usually the only guys calling out the Cards and "telling it like it is", I.E, the Cards suck this season.
AL's the biggest homer ever. i mean the guys cool, but seriously. for some reason Ricky annoyes me to no end. nice guy, but man i think he's hard to take seriously.
now i live in ohio and dont hear & read all the STL media, so if i'm missing someone, that's why. but this is how an outsider see's the STL media.
announcers - tv ratings
for sake of comparison, the cardinals average 7.6 on cable, 13.7 on ksdk.
maybe the ratings don't justify paying decent announcers?
i swear they just said...
Radial Tires????
someone please make THIS STOP.
Cubs acquire Jason Kendall
by Big Red on Jul 16, 2007 8:42 PM EDT reply actions
really??
jason kendall = below replacement. possibly the worst starting catcher in baseball.
i think this is the second panicked trade for a catcher the cubs have made in the last six weeks.
so just to recap
after this trade, the cubs had: 3 catchers with negative VORP, INCLUDING the second-worst in baseball, jason kendall.
Sutcliffe raving about it on ESPN...
HR 2B x2
AK with back-to-back games with a homer
sweet.
ok, now here is where the announcers
that is the kind of thing some of the 4,000 people watching your broadcast might find interesting.
no? sticking with the car dealer infomercials and the mermaid strippers? ok then.
never underestimate the power of the
especially in south beach.
Reading through the game comments,
the marlin announcers booth
by faninexile on Jul 16, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
both windy city teams SUCK
and the guys who calls the away Dodger games are Charlie Steiner(formally of the WWL, and Steve Stone. Stone got fired from big FOX for making a quazi racest joke about mexican or jewish people. i forget which. he's one of the worst of the worst. Stone is the one you are thinking of. Charlie rulz.
yeah, i was actually joking
oh yeah sorry
you're confusing steve stone
steve stone is jewish. he did not get fired for making a racist joke about jews.
july 16, 2007:
I swear the announcer is saying
by faninexile on Jul 16, 2007 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
Can we send down Schumaker
I hate to send down Ludwick either but its not like we can keep 6 outfielders with the state of our infield defense.
I hate
BOOO intentional walks to Albert
it could happen.
I'd take an xbh
And by hit I mean crush.
ap's inner monologue:
If the Cardinals anouncers ever suck that much
No play for Mr. Gray
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 9:07 PM EDT reply actions
Florida is like the 4th most populous state
Beggars can't be choosers
And a beautiful stadium.
The Dukes were the AAA team for the Dodgers before they split for Portland in 2000.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Albuquerque
Gotta be one of the coolest team names ever.
Yep
When the Calgary Cannons moved here after the 2002 season, the fans got to vote on the team name, and Isotopes beat out the Dukes as the winner.
The stadium is Isotopes Park, known as "The Lab".
If you're ever in this area, it's a great place to see a game. The AAA All-Star Game was just here.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
They generally have a competitive team
Decent mix of legit prospects and AAA-lifers.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
giggle
Homer: Ow, my head. How long have I been out here?
Bart: All night. You were yelling at the swings.
Homer: I was? But I love the swings.
Bart: Dad, you were nuts.
Homer: You know me. Occasionally, I'll be quirky. "I'll be quirky." Albuquerque! I'll be right back!
who ya gonna call. . . Mulroone
by faninexile on Jul 16, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
the Tiki God is angry.????
by faninexile on Jul 16, 2007 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
every time i see a tiki god
Reminds me
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't remember too much of the 70's
look, Martha,. . .
by faninexile on Jul 16, 2007 9:13 PM EDT reply actions
What is the auction for?
you're late
which STILL doesn't mean it's really a joke.
naah
This is beyond lame!
Why replace Dunc?
the money goes to support local charities
by faninexile on Jul 16, 2007 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
stupid marlin charity drive
grrrrr
come on FRANK! get out of this.
Anyone need a car?
by Maroone on Jul 16, 2007 9:29 PM EDT reply actions
in the immortal words of Bugs Bunny. . .
by faninexile on Jul 16, 2007 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
What a Maroon!
darn, the Tiki God and the pineapple girl
I had my heart set on getting them for my worst enemy!
But as long as he's "gotten attached" to the Tiki God, I hope they're very happy together.
by faninexile on Jul 16, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions
operators are standing by!!!!
by faninexile on Jul 16, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
SWEET
nice K dude. nice K.
that was UGGLA!!!
AK showing power to left center
Adam Kennedy
Yes, that about covers it, Marlins announcers.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
good lord
2 hr in the last 2 games.
QUICK! TRADE HIM! TRADE HIM!!!
YES! HE'S LIKE UTLEY!
Cubs Just won
This is not the AK
Misty May's husband
Uh huh.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 9:37 PM EDT reply actions
The best women's beach volleyball player
Could be number 2, but part of the number one team.
Won a gold medal at the 2004 Summer Olympics with Kerri Walsh.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, i think most people would tell you
kerri walsh's partner
Depends what you mean by "hottest"
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
if you guys keep talking about this,
seriously, i've never heard of these people.
Links
Kerri Walsh: http://www.avp.com/players/profile.jsp?id=1923
Holly McPeak: http://www.avp.com/players/profile.jsp?id=1192
Rachel Wacholder: http://www.avp.com/players/profile.jsp?id=1213
Enjoy. :)
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
So who is her husband?
Matt Treanor
He's the Gary Bennett for Florida.
Misty May now goes by Misty May-Treanor.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You're welcome
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If only
Oh well...it comes in handy during "Trivial Pursuit."
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
any body else jonesing
GB gets the green light on 3-0?
he got a base hit
Really?
Or maybe he was bunting
Attendance problems...
empty. sad.
Miggie is the one guy on the Marlins that
and he does.
boo
put the damn Tiki God up for auction
This is a one-night only auction, isn't it?
by faninexile on Jul 16, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions
man I didn't realize how big Miggie is
BOOO unintentional, intentional walks to Albert!
BOOO Scotty RO's power outage
HOORAY for blackouts expiring!
And That's A WInner!!
gooooood win.
now if only the Brew Crew and the flubs remember who they really are,,,,
Good win for the Redbirds.
Probably wishful thinking, but maybe AK is turning it around?
Franklin continues to anchor the bullpen. He got into some trouble tonight, but bore down and pitched out of it. Miggy hitting that home run (which he will do against any pitcher) with nobody on instead of two or three runners on made the difference.
With Duncan hitting like he is, Albert should get more pitches to hit. Now if only Rolen can turn it on a bit.
It seemed
dont forget
Exactly
Hungo doesn't seem so bad after that sorry display. But to piggyback on your diary entry, Vin Scully is hands-down my favorite current broadcaster.
2nd all-time to Jack, but I couldn't forsake anyone who likes Vin better. The guy exudes class.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks!
I think I need to watch 1985 NLCS Game 5 now.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I was really asking about
by cardsgirl95 on Jul 16, 2007 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I grew up
Suppose a lot of us who grew up in the '70's would say that, but I remember nights pretending to sleep, listening to AM radio while wearing an earpiece, living or dying on JB's lyrical phrases.
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This really dates me, but
by Yadier on Jul 17, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Ken Dayley!
by player2bnamedl8r on Jul 16, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
Does Al Hrabosky's inability to shut up
Kim is sorta like Kip
Fortunately, or unfortunately, i was stuck with the telethon on Fox Sports Florida (or whatever it's called) so i didn't get to hear Al. However, it sounds like he was just spewing company line and that's all. I guess if he can convince the fans that pitch-to-contact is "THE" way to pitch, people will get off Duncan's ass. Who knows?
I'd like to think he's just a kiss-ass who takes that role upon himself, but after LaRussa's reaction to the media after the Hancock death I'm more inclined to think those statements have a higher point of origin.
With all that said though, I'd rather listen to Dan and Al as opposed to most every other local team. Probably because we have the same rooting interest. But outside of Vin Scully, there aren't many out-of-town teams I want to listen to. Although, I have to admit I'm a fan of Mark Grace. I think he's hilarious and was upset when Brennaman left for cincy.
by Big Red on Jul 16, 2007 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I was annoyed because it
stone vs lyons
Steve Stone worked for WGN with Harry and then Chip. he was pretty good actualy with Harry. i remember watching a lot of cubs game as a kid with him and Harry. when Harry got wasted Steve was at his best. he got a raw deal when the Tribune Co. fired him and Chip when they were ragging on cub players and moises alou and him almost got into a fight. sorry to all the Steve Stone fans, and Mr.Stone himself.
Steve Lyons is the guy who works for Prime Ticket, and until last season, Big FOX. in the booth Sweet Lou made a comment about wallets during the ALCS, and Lyons then made his racest remark about spanish people stealing wallets, and Big FOX fired him the next day. he also made fun of some poor blind mets fan during last years NLDS. but he still works for Prime Ticket. and unless something else happens, when VIN hangs it up in a year or two, it will be Lyons & Charlie calling all Dodger games.
if any of my info is wrong, blame wikipedia. thanks Lboros for catching my error.
i'm going to try and get some sleep. good night VEB. to quote the best broadcaster of all time, i'll see you all, tomorrow night.
If Adam Kennedy had hit like this all year
Heck, if the whole team hit like it has been the past 2 weeks, we wouldn't be this many games under .500.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2007 12:07 AM EDT reply actions
Miguel Cabrera's Free Agent contract
He is so out of shape, he makes Ryan Howard look like Lance Armstrong.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2007 12:09 AM EDT reply actions
Edmonds ready to play
"It's not enough to get somebody back," La Russa said Monday as the Cardinals opened a three-game series against the Florida Marlins. "We need somebody back playing productively. That's what we need."
Which is total crap. They brought back Encarnacion who was hitting on his rehab assignment in the .100s.
LaRussa's double standards for certain players is staggering. Kip Wells is healthy but not producing, yet he keeps getting trotted back out there. Randy Flores is healthy but not producing, yet he keeps getting trotted back out there.
Edmonds has said since the weekend that he is ready to play. You and I saw how lefties KILLED BYK tonight, yet Edmonds stayed on the DL.
Hurk, Tuesday's starter is giving up a .310 average to LHB (small sample size). Willis is only giving up .133 to LHB.
So, Edmonds could play tomorrow against Hurk but will sit against Willis. They then face James (LHP)[.274 vs LHB], Caryle (RHP) [.312 vs LHB], Davies (RHP).
Once all the chest thumping is over with, Edmonds should start Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday. I have no idea who they will pitch Sunday.
by Hardcore Legend on Jul 17, 2007 1:42 AM EDT reply actions
In fairness to Juan Enc
by Big Red on Jul 17, 2007 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
How bizarre....
Jim Edwards on Ebay!!!
JIM EDWARDS CARDINALS TOPPS COSIGNERS 9/15 2007
LOL
Btw, $3?!? Good thing I didn't see that auction...I woulda bid that baby up... $3 is a freakin' steal for both of their sigs.





















