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being blake hawksworth

when i talked to blake hawksworth last year, he was just re-emerging as a prospect after nearly two years on the shelf. in that interview, he told me "I'm just trying to learn the mental side right now . . . . mental adjustments, being confident, trusting your stuff --- all of that seems way more important than getting your side work in." i found that an interesting perspective, coming from a guy who'd lost the physical ability to throw a baseball and needed surgery (and 15+ months of rehab) to regain it. nearly one year later, hawksworth has passed all the physical tests --- he made every start last season (split between class A and double A) without breaking down, averaging better than 6 innings a start, and he has made 11 starts this season at triple A with just shy of 6 inn per start. while he's not overpowering triple A hitters --- his strikeout rate is just 4.6 per 9 innings, and opponents have batted .275 againt him --- hawksworth is excelling in the mental game: ie, he's avoiding mistakes. his walk rate is below 2 per 9 innings, and he has yielded only 4 homers in 62 innings.

those are jeff suppan-like numbers --- by which i mean, hawksworth appears to be cut from pitch-to-contact cloth. while scouts generally like him and other organizations reportedly show interest, PECOTA is not all that impressed; it lists nondescript pitchers like ryan glynn and vinnie chulk and former memphis redbird chris gissell among hawksworth's 20 most comparable players. josh hancock is also high on hawksworth list of comps, ranking 4th . . . . the best pitcher on the comp list might be brian bannister, the one-time new york met prospect now pitching for kansas city.

we might get to see hawksworth pitch for the cardinals at some point this year --- but probably not until september, and then only if the cards are out of the race. my thanks to memphis media-relations coordinator kyle parkinson for facilitating the interview.

The first thing I want to ask you about is your health. You're a year further removed from should surgery (in 2004); how's your shoulder feeling?
So far, so good. You know, there's always a few aches and pains, but on the fifth day it feels great.

Was there anything you had to do in the off-season or in the spring in that regard to get ready for the season, or are you on a pretty standard workout and maintenance program?
This off-season was the first really healthy off-season I've had, so I was able to do a little more weights, but the main thing for me is just to get my throwing in. It takes me a while to get into good throwing shape. It took me a little while to do that, but after the spring it started to feel pretty good.

When I talked to you last year, you said that you were getting some of your old velocity back. How hard are you throwing these days, and are you satisfied with where you are in that regard?
Yeah; I feel strong. As long as I can throw in the 90s, I really don't care where it's at. Just get me out of those 80s and I'm happy with it. This year's been good; I've been in the low 90s. So I feel strong.

You started out 0-4 at Memphis and had kind of a rough month of April, but then the month of May was outstanding for you. Was there a particular adjustment that you made, or did you just round into shape and pitch better?
I think it was more of a mental adjustment. The first few starts, I felt a little tentative out there; I wasn't being really aggressive. Once I got over that, kinda detached the brain in a sense and just went out and focused on competing, good results followed. So I'm trying to keep that train going.

Was that related to being at a higher level of competition? What accounted for being tentative, do you think?
You know what, I can't honestly tell you. Pitching is such a confidence thing, and for the first few starts, for some reason I just didn't really feel confident going out there. Maybe there was a little sense of trying to prove something; I'm not quite sure what it was. Once I tricked my mind into getting almost upset when I go out there --- getting into a real aggressive mind-set, getting in that attack mode --- it definitely seemed to help me. I've learned that that's something I need to do every start.

When you pitched against the Cardinals in that exhibition game right before the season, you pitched really well --- there it didn't seem like you were tentative at all, at least judging by the line you put up.
Yeah. They put a lot of balls in play on me, but fortunately I kept the ball down that night, threw a lot of strikes. It was a good outing.

Was there any tension facing the big-league team, pitching in front of Duncan and La Russa?
Yeah, there was a little bit. I definitely wanted to prove that I could compete against those guys. I knew most of them from the spring, so I guess that helped with the initial nervousness of it. It was fun --- it was a sellout crowd, and I was definitely excited.

What about spring training? This was your first one with the major-league team --- did you get a chance to work with Duncan? Did you pick anything up from him?
Yeah. We talked about starting to throw a cut fastball, which he wanted me to throw. I got in a couple of bullpen sessions with him, but he had his hands full --- especially this spring. There were 7 guys competing for 5 spots. Whenever I could get him, I tried to be a sponge, in a sense, and pick up whatever I could. I just tried to follow the veteran guys, just keep my mouth shut, be seen and not heard.

Have you continued to work on that cutter since the spring?
Yeah, I've been playing catch with it. I haven't thrown it too much in the games here, but I keep throwing it in my bullpen sessions, try to keep it sharp. It's something that me and the catchers are working on --- if he calls it, I'll try to throw it in. But so far we haven't really worked it into the games yet.

The catching situation at Memphis has been kind of a revolving door, hasn't it --- between injuries and callups. Is that disruptive? You're talking about trying to fine-tune your game, but I would imagine that it might be more difficult to establish a rhythm when you're throwing to a new catcher every night.
Yeah, it can be hard. Esposito's been catching me --- every start this month [ie, May]. We definitely had a good rhythm; we're on the same page. I was talking to Christianson yesterday, and he was asking me, `What have you guys been doing?' So your minds tells you there's gonna be a little adjustment time, but I'm trying not to think about it. I know what's been working, and ultimately the pitcher has the final say. I don't think it'll be a problem. [Don't know whether or not the catcher had anything to do with it, but Hawksworth had a rocky outing pitching to Christianson --- 10 hits in 5 innings --- on Saturday night. --- LB]

When you guys were out in Colorado Springs, I was talking to Dyar Miller on the day you guys flew in. He told me, "The plane landed at 2:30, we dumped our stuff at the hotel, we got to the ballpark at 3:30 for a 5 p.m. game." He was eating a bag of trail mix that he'd bought out of a vending machine in the lobby; that was his lunch. And Troy Cate had to go out there and pitch, compete, in those kind of conditions. Have you run into that type of situation so far this year, where the circumstances are less than ideal and you have to go out there and perform anyway?
This league's definitely a grind --- early wake-up calls and stuff like that. You're a little short on rest. But for me, I kind of get excited to be in those situations. You kind of show what you're made of, in a sense. It's a mental game. If you can tell your mind that you're prepared and you're rested, your body is gonna follow your mind's lead. If you tell yourself you're tired and you haven't eaten enough, then you're not gonna feel too good. That's some of the little stuff I'm learning, and I think that's what separates the minor leagues from the big leagues. The big league guys are so mentally strong that they can persevere through a lot of that stuff.

You've referenced the mental side a number of times here since we've been talking. I'm just curious, is working on the mental stuff as important as the physical stuff? Do you think perfecting those mental skills is as important as perfecting your pitches?
To me, that's all of it. You'll see a lot of guys in the minor leagues that have better talent, better stuff, than some big-league guys, but the big-league guys can execute more consistently. Throwing off-speed pitches for strikes in hitter's counts --- that's a mental thing. Obviously there's a physical part, but they're confident. Watching guys like Carp --- they're humble guys, but once they get on that mound you can just see it: They don't believe anyone can hit them. And that's a big part of it.

So then is it good to be on a team with guys like Ankiel and Kiesler and John Rodriguez, who have spent some time in the big leagues? Can you learn about how to cultivate the mental skills from them?
Yeah, I try to follow those guys. Like Ank --- he's a guy who works extremely hard off the field, too, in the weight room and so forth. Him, J-Rod --- they're professionals. They work hard, on and off the field. So I try to draw off their experience as much as I can.

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a lot of hawksworth's comments --- about executing off-speed pitches, maintaining confidence, staying in attack mode, persevering through adverse circumstances --- put me in mind of anthony reyes and adam wainwright. both are trying to acquire these skills and make them stick, a chore that nearly every young pitcher labors with. wainwright seems to be turning the corner; reyes still isn't there yet.

hawksworth's remarks about the mental side of the game also made me think of tony and dave, whose approach to pitching is so strategic and cerebral --- and whose thinking is so much riper (maybe too much so, in some respects) than that of the average 23-year-old. depending on the player, that wealth of evolved knowledge could be either a blessing or a curse.

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Great interview, lboros
Thanks, as always.  I love the insight this gives us into our developing talent - and to the organization.

Blake definitely has some "Tony-speak" down - when he mentioned "focused on competing" that's where my mind went immediately.

The mental side of just about every sport is the difference between making it at the highest level or not, between being good and great.  The minor leagues are loaded with talent - who has the right combo of brains, determination and mental toughness to compete in the big leagues?  I find it encouraging to hear him so focused on that.

by wildman on Jun 4, 2007 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heh. I kinda wondered if
he was talking like this to please management  - which is still an important lesson in today's world.

by sdrone on Jun 4, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like maturity to me
And honest maturity, not some show.

Maturity was the only difference between Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf—look where the two ended up. I'm looking forward to seeing how he adjusts to the big leagues.

by liam on Jun 4, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another starter with fragile emotions?
That could be scary.
Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on Jun 4, 2007 5:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's always
struck me as odd that Dunc also teaches the cutter, in addition to the Holy Slider. The cutter is a pitch designed to avoid contact, isn't it? Maybe he could show that one to Reyes, and put him on the Woody Williams path to momentary brilliance.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 4, 2007 6:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

holy sinker, rather
I'm sure Dave Duncan is crushed to see me mention the slider so near his name.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 4, 2007 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i've read that earlier
he has, reyes didn't really take to that pitch, either. it would be a welcome addition to his repitoire. that twist in the drama makes me think he may be too hard headed for his own good.

nice inteview, btw lboros. sounds like hawk on the other hand is at least trying to be the good soldier. some have challenged his sincerity, i feel like he's being honest

by erik on Jun 4, 2007 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carpenter's cutter aside, no
It's meant to create bad contact.  It's only going to break a couple inches and assuming it's deceptive hit the end of a righty-bat or break a lefty's.  Makes your fastball play up and is really an arsenal changing pitch if you can throw it with command (which is no easy feat).  

Carpenters is a different beast in that it has much more lateral movement and tilt than a typical cutter so he gets swing and miss.  His practically has slider movement at 88 with cutter rotation.  I'd really like to know exactly how he throws that baby.  

Pujols < .300 (it worked for .200)

by joker24 on Jun 4, 2007 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely Right, Joker
The cut fastball is generally meant to move just a few inches at the very end, just enough to off the sweet spot of the bat.  It's basically thrown with the same grip as a fastball, just cocked over to the side of the ball.  I don't know what the hell Carpenter does with his, but he gets almost the kind of movement with his that Mariano Rivera does.  I'm not sure if it's a slightly different grip, or a little bit of wrist action, but there a couple of guys who can make a cutter dance a whole lot more than it seems like you should be able to.  Come to think of it, Isringhausen's cutter has that same hard lateral slide in the last ten feet.  
Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Jun 5, 2007 8:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great interview, lboros
Add my compliments to those above.  Nice to hear that Hawk, although not the most gifted starter we have in the system, is cut from the Duncan mold ... strong mentally, willing to pitch to contact (i.e., down in the zone for strikes), and is willing to learn a new pitch suggested by Duncan (cutter in his case).  If D. Dunc is around next season, then I would not be surprised to see Hawk leapfrong A. Reyes.  I really would like for Hawk to get a few starts at the tail end of the season and taste the show in 2007 setting him for his shot in 2008.

by jjray on Jun 4, 2007 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks
To parrot the above, thanks again for the interviews, they are much appreciated.

by mcpawlowicz on Jun 4, 2007 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

anybody watching the cubs?
Barrett's starting and I'd like to know how bad he looks (if at all).

Also, I think I am going for the Cubs in this one.  Brewers need to lose some more.

by enoscountry on Jun 4, 2007 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh...
I can't bring myself to root for the Cubs, especially with Marquis pitching.

That guy is so lucky this year. six of the first ten Brewers reach base and they somehow fail to score...

by guayzimi on Jun 4, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about that
The thing I hate about Marquis this year is this:

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/league_leaders.jsp?statType=2&timeFrame=1&sortByStat=SLG&baseba llScope=mlb&timeSubFrame=2007

All those f'n homers last year and this year no one can get more than a double.  He won his game against us like that too - of course we weren't hitting home runs then.  Thankfully, he's regressing more to his expected performance.  

by enoscountry on Jun 4, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
Prince doesn't care much for stats.  he parked one over the left field fence.

by Big Red on Jun 4, 2007 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Classic Marquis 2007 outing
28 hitters faced, 14 reach base, 7 hits, 3 walks, hit batter, 1 error committed on a comebacker, goes 5 1/3 and needs 112 pitches to do it... and is charged with 1 ER.

by guayzimi on Jun 4, 2007 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you Larry!
Great interview--really enjoyed it.

If you took Hawksworth's mental approach and Kip Wells stuff, you'd have a Cy Young candidate.

by Hungry Jack on Jun 4, 2007 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

....Good interview! THX!
He did a good job in responding as he was  expected to respond as a player in this organization and as a player trying to upgrade his personal skills and value to the club.... smart kid overall! Good luck to Blake!

One aspect of pitching that rarely enters to discussions like this, (or discussions on pitching in general) is how much "process" goes into pitching to a batters weaknesses during the course of a game?

From the viewpoint we hear the most from in discussions about pitchers or pitching... its all about maintaining the philosphy and approach given by the coach(s)(game plan), hitting your spots (control), and executing the mental side of the game (relaxed/concentration/ recognizing situations etc).

...but Larussa and Duncan (and all teams) keep a book on EVERY batters strengths and weaknesses and when batters strike out it usually looks like they went after a pitch or two they cant get wood on (or cant lay off of?). A pitch out of that "square box zone."  

Its hardly ever discussed within the realm of pitching and only occassionly when hitting is discussed, usually after a game when a hitter is specifically asked about how he was pitched.

So how much is a batters weaknesses truly a factor in pitching? Or is it mainly just hitting a "spot in a zone". If it is, why keep the books?

Where does it rank in effective pitching?

I realize it IS hard to bring into a GENERAL discussion on pitching because no batter is in the eqaution, its kind of an intangible thats rarely discussed and I wonder how important the "books" on hitters are.

"I don't need a damn number to tell me the guy's no good right now!" Old Casey.... Pitching, base running and defense!

by cardschinmusic on Jun 5, 2007 5:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My limited Knowledge
It seems to me that the book on hitters functions mostly as a guideline to certain things you don't want to do, rather than things you should do.  If a guy will chase a high fastball, that's part of it, but it's usually more in the vein of "don't throw him a curveball in the zone,"  or, "the guy really likes to extend his arms, stay inside."  A pitcher's general approach to any hitter remains basically the same, based on his repertoire, with the 'book' on a hitter generally identifying particular danger zones.  
Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Jun 5, 2007 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Interview, Larry
As Always.  From the things I've read on Hawksworth, I would tend to believe he's being sincere with his comments.  

You know, I can't really figure out Hawksworth.  He has good velocity on his fastball, sitting in the low 90s, an excellent changeup, and a nice, if inconsistent, curveball, to go along with that cutter others have already mentioned.  In spite of all that, though, he just doesn't miss many bats.  I wonder if he lacks a put away pitch, or if it's more a function of his being around the plate constantly, a la Chris Volstad?  I've seen the Hawk a few times, including the game before the Civil Rights game this year, and I've come away impressed with his stuff each time.  That's why the low K rate is very puzzling to me.  

I would love to see the kid get a chance later this season, if only as a one time, emergency type start, similar to Reyes in 2005.  

I also love his delivery.  Almost no extraneous movement, should be very repeatable.  His command should be consistently good.  Looking at his repertoire, he kind of puts me in the mind of John Maine.  I don't know how the numbers relate in that comp, put that's the guy I kind of think of with Hawksworth.  

Good Luck, kid.  

Acquire Rocco Baldelli!

by the red baron on Jun 5, 2007 8:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One fan's opinion...
Pitchers with the ability to get "swings and misses" generally have late movement on whatever pitch they use to "miss bats." Carpenter, Izzy, and Mariano Rivera all use the "cutter" to great effect... even if the batter hits the pitch, it's hard to "center" it and hit it hard. '06 Adam Wainwright had that Curveball of Death (that sometimes "froze" hitters so they couldn't swing; right, Carlos?), and appears to be getting it back, which augurs well for him.

When Bob Gibson threw his 17-strikeout game at the Detroit Tigers in the '68 World Series, he was helped by the perception that he was a fastball pitcher; Gibby got most of his Strike Threes that day on his slider, which had that "late" movement. Bruce Sutter's split was another "unhittable" pitch because it "fell off the table" at the last split-second.

As far as hitters' weaknesses go... I'm sure the "book" on Scott Rolen says you can get him out with "hard" stuff up and in. The danger for the pitcher is that pitch better be "hard" (92+ MPH), "up" (above Rolen's hands, preferably above the letters), and "in" (just on or just inside the inside corner of the plate.) "Hard, up, and middle-in" will get ripped; "Hard, up, and out" will get lined to right; and "Hard, belt/crotch-high, and in" will either put your third baseman in peril of his life or land in the left-field seats! "Not-so-hard (88-89 MPH), up, and in" will result in a foul back... so the pitcher can be flirting with danger by pitching Rolen by "the book."

Tasty stuff, Larry!

It's a beautiful day for a ballgame!

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 5, 2007 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another thank you larry
I'm really excited to see Hawksworth and Ottavino pitch, too bad Ottavino is a little further down the road. Even with the cards successful seasons from the past few seasons, it's good to see the future looks bright.
I''m a Jenius!

by gibbons on Jun 5, 2007 9:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks....
Thanks to the redbaron and The Ol Goaler for the input re: "the book"......so a Cardinal pitcher is going up against a batter with a number of varibles being presented, including recognizing pitches La Russa might call into the catcher that address the batters strengths and weakness(s) as opposed to just keeping the ball on the edges of the strike zone. IE: throwing the pitchers  "specialty" out-pitches...seems this  would  present a further, but equal challenge to his control in making those pitches, as well as pitches that are out of the zone "specialty" pitches, not always part of "the book" on the batter IE: Wainwrights 12-6 curve, etc etc.

OR, does the pitcher just narrow it ALL down to location, location, location...and let the catchers positioning determine what varible is most in play on a given pitch (the book or the pitchers strength pitch, his out-pitch)...either way, the results add up to the same?

Theres a lot going on out there,mental an physical, hell, no wonder so few pitchers become great pitchers...long term winners year in and year out (of course, barring injury)

"I don't need a damn number to tell me the guy's no good right now!" Old Casey.... Pitching, base running and defense!

by cardschinmusic on Jun 6, 2007 7:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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