Game 53 Open Thread: June 3, 2007, 1:05 pm CDT

I have posted several times about Anthony Reyes...

He had a good college career. He's been stellar in the minors. He's shown flashes of brillance in the majors. He has had NO run support when he was en route to his 0-8 record; he had NO run support in his first Memphis start. Better relief pitching would have at least gotten him a no decision since J Rod hit a homerun. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the catcher and coaches have some say in what pitches get thrown-aren't they also part of "situation recognition"? You know, Wells has been pitching to contact-they hit some towering drives off of him. HE'S the one they should have demoted-he obviously has some problems he needs to work on. I am glad that Dyar Miller is saying what he's saying--Reyes sure needs to have someone in his corner. One thing I hate about Tony and Dunc is that they are both arrogant enough to think that they are NEVER WRONG, and yes Reyes will probably join Dan Haren as one of the top pitchers in the league. Except he won't be with the Cardinals. They may not be able to dismantle the minor league teams as easily with Luhnow in charge. Gosh, lets hope so.....

by jillsinmo on Jun 3, 2007 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You have a point

You can't say that Yadi calls a great game and so on...then turn around and say that Reyes doesn't throw the right pitch. If a rookie pitcher who is in the doghouse can change what pitch is thrown then Yadi doesn't call a pitch but askes what pitch will be thrown.

by Harknights on Jun 3, 2007 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, and what about

J. Rod? Why have they been so reluctant to give him a real shot at the bigs? Did he kill a dog, or something? I personally am sick of current management. There are so many holes to fill-and I happen to think there is still going to be problems with the starting rotation....they are counting on two injured pitchers....there is no guarentee that Mulder and Carpenter will make it back before the end of the season, and if they do, how long it will take to be in top form. And Reyes is gone because he either can't or won't throw a sinker. Anthony still has said nothing on the record, everything reported has been hearsay. Kudos to him for at least not taking shots at anyone. Can you all see the steam coming out of my ears?

by jillsinmo on Jun 3, 2007 10:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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by sjoshi on Jun 3, 2007 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Erik...

do you reject TLR's argument that he can't be an up-in-the-zone pitcher because of problems with his off-speed stuff and a lack of control? I know lboros claims he's never got the chance to pitch that way in the bigs, but it seems to me he has approached some games, especially last summer, with the 4-seamer/off-speed combo. It's worked at times, but mostly it doesn't because he lacks control.

Then there's the issue of him tipping his change, or whatever. I've seen that thing get hammered far too often for it to be called an elite type pitch.

As for selling the farm, seems to me the tidy solution is to move Reyes and some second tier prospects for help now. I don't know exactly who we would trade, but I'm sure it would help since we need everything except a first baseman and a closer.

by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

who we would trade FOR...

n/t

by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I believe the problems

with the change is just an artifact of his fastball(s) being complete garbage right now. It's probably much more of a plus-plus pitch depending on what it's complementing. But, last night is the first time I watched him pitch in a Redbirds uniform so I can't make any sort of meaningful comparison in that regard, just a hunch.

by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i don't get

a ton of games on tv, so it's hard for me to say. when i've seen him, his command has been lacking at times and he seems to have trouble putting guys away. i think it's his pitch selection. i'd like to see him move the fastball to different parts of the zone. up is fine, just mix it up. i dunno...

Future Redbirds

by erik on Jun 3, 2007 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know too

much about pitching mechanics, but it's always struck me as really odd that Wainwright learned the cutter and Anthony learned the sinker if they needed secondary (or geez, primary sometimes) fastballs so badly.

I think we'll see Reyes scrap the two-seamer, add a MPH or two with a subsequent mechanical tweak or two, and get traded and be a league average pitcher for someone else.

It's kind of morbid that at this point I just need to know what happens when Reyes and Duncan separate. Maybe that just means that Reyes gets jerked around again and the guard changes for 2008.

by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Reyes won't stay

He'll get his Super 2 status, and begin his quick path out the door.

Ugh. I'm getting tired of talking about him already.

Might as well trade him while we can get something back for him.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Duncan and LaRussa

You're probably right, we should trade him, but only because Duncan and LaRussa are too stubborn to accept the fact that he will only be good as a high fastball strikeout pitcher. We all know if Duncan let him pitch that way then he would probably be doing extremely well. The last game Duncan turned him loose and let him pitch his own way was game 1 of the world series last year, and that also happened to be a win.

by 2x41z2tu on Jun 3, 2007 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mizzou

I believe Mizzou has to win one more game to get to the Super Regional. Miami-Louisville this afternoon, winner to face Mizzou tonight. If Mizzou wins, they're in. If they lose tonight, the teams play again tomorrow to determine the winner of the regional.

by snakestl on Jun 3, 2007 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Guys who "top out"

at 91-92 MPH are not "power pitchers"... at least not in The Show.

Something I found interesting during the telecast of a Reyes performance occurred as (Ricky Horton, if I recall correctly) was interviewing ex-Card Scott Terry about the one-day "baseball camps" that are taught by Cards' alumni around the area. They started discussing Reyes' mechanics, and Terry essentially ripped Anthony a new one! Terry mentioned several points that he teaches pitchers not to do... Terry said Reyes' elbow was too low, and Reyes wasn't getting the most use out of his lower body, etc.

Now, I admit, Terry (and presumably his cohorts) are trying to teach kids how to pitch without hurting their arms; that's best done with "standard" mechanics. There are plenty of pitchers succeeding professionally with all sorts of different throwing motions, but I find it interesting that Reyes' motion is most often compared to that of perennially-injured Mark Prior.

Dunc has convinced me that Reyes cannot "blow hitters away" with a four-seamer up in the zone at 91-92 MPH. If Anthony could locate that four-seamer at the knees and follow it up with a changeup that "dies" below the strike zone, fine! Throw that! Otherwise, he needs another pitch (cutter, slider, curve) he can count on to keep hitters off-balance.

I'm almost convinced that Kip Wells is a lost cause, despite the outstanding "movement" he gets on his pitches, simply because he seemingly can't throw anything consistently where he wants to! Even when he was getting people out early yesterday, Wells was "missing" Bennett's glove by several feet! I don't know what Duncan (or anybody else) can do to correct that... Wells may simply be unable to hit "spots," and (if so) will never be an effective pitcher.

On a sunnier note, today's starter, Braden Looper, has had better "command" by throwing "90%"... and he still has the 95-MPH heater available when he needs it!

Let's win the series today, and hope we get Rolen/Eck/Young Dunc back by Tuesday!

It's a beautiful day for a ballgame!

by The Ol Goaler on Jun 3, 2007 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Where have you been?

Have you not read the EXTENSIVE research done on Reyes at this site? It basically completely contradicts everything you just said. His most effective pitch IS the fastball high in the zone...it's been proven by lboros.

Anthony is not the type of pitcher that locates at the knees. That's just not him, he pitches up in the zone, and I for one, don't believe that you should try and make every pitcher on your staff essentially the same guy. He is a flyball/K pitcher, period. If you want a pitch-to-contact guy...throw Brad Thompson out there, but don't make a guy who has dominated at every level suddenly change what has worked for him.

Let him pitch the way he wants to. What do you have to lose. Duncan "SAYS" he can't be succesful with the 4-seamer, but I think it is obvious he will never be succesful with the 2-seamer. Give him the oppurtunity to pitch the way he wants to, and tell him... "sink or swim big boy. you wanted the chance, here it is. you fail and you'll be sent to the minors indefinitely"

Duncarussa is the most arrogant combo in baseball. They have had success, but they won't with a young team. I'll be glad to see them go.

BTW, Reyes was a guy who consistently threw in the mid-90's before Duncan starting screwing with him.

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dominated at every level

is comical. Tim Lincecum dominated at every level. Cole Hamels dominated at every level. Reyes was 'very good' at every level.

I really wish people would stop lumping Reyes problems on to Dave Duncan. Dave Duncan doesn't force him not to be able to locate his off-speed pitch when he gets into trouble. Dave Duncan doesn't turn him into a ticking timebomb anytime someone reaches 1st base.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Meh

I don't care to argue the subjective terminology but 9.97/1.81 MiLB K/BB ratio is terrific. Dominant, very good, whatever you want to call it.

by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

but

Lincecum
16.73 K/9IP
.83 WHIP

Hamels
12.36 K/9IP
.95 WHIP

Reyes blessing was that he didn't walk people.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well that's certainly

a Good Thing, no?

Lincecum didn't exactly make all the stops or hang around any of them anyway.

by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Anyway, like

I said I don't really care to decide what those words mean wrt MiLB pitching performance, but it's not a "comical" assertion.

by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Without a double digit K rate

in the minors (which generally comes down when reaching the Bigs), he can't afford his doubling of his walk rate like we have seen.

What it perhaps shows is that he was fooling minor league hitters with so-so stuff out of the zone of which big league hitters won't chase. If that is the case, his dwindling fastball isn't going to miss enough bats. Thus, the need for the 2 seamer...or something to keep the ball in the park.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

what we're talking about now. Seems like you've completely shifted gears.

I understand that Reyes hasn't been so hot in the Bigs.

by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I haven't shifted gears

Reyes wasn't 'dominate' in the minor leagues and because of such, he hasn't translated well into the Major Leagues. The cause of this is partly because of his higher walk rate and his inability to miss bats. Since he isn't missing them, Duncan is asking him to minimize damage when he meets them.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He struck out

over a batter per inning and less than two per nine. His peripherals are better than Hamel's, Zambrano's and Oswalt's just to name the first two others I looked at.

I have no idea what his ML time has anything to do with this conversation.

And I thought we were arguing over adjectives not verbs.

by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

are should be were

by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you were

I wasn't.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just a joke concerning

the use of the word "dominate" instead of "dominant". I think we can all agree on the former.

by plh903 on Jun 3, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sooo...

You are tired of people dumping Reyes' problems on Duncan, but from your own post....he can't locate his off-speed stuff, although he walked nearly noone in his entire minor league career???

Hmmmmm

Which one is it? Could Duncan's relentless tinkering have something to do with that? Seems totally plausible...even likely.

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Your pitching coach

isn't the reason you can't locate your offspeed pitches. You can't pitch in the big leagues if you have trouble locating everything except a 91 mph fastball.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'll ask again...

Why is it he walked nearly noone in his entire minor league stint, but now he can't locate his offspeed stuff?

Could it be a product of the tinkering?

I don't see where his location was EVER a problem before. You are probably right though, having someone completely change his style of pitching doesn't have anything to do with it...

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dunno

maybe that Major League hitters have better pitch recognition than Minor League ones? I mean, look at Ryan Ludwick. He can't lay off terrible off-speed pitches on the corners if you told him they were coming.

Tinkering could have something to do with it. However, to be THIS EPICALLY BAD at locating the off-speed stuff is ridiculous if he spent the off-season working on it.

I could understand if his curveball was flat or a slider 'didn't slide' but not being able to throw it anywhere close to the mit in a Kip Wells style when people get on base ultimately falls back on the pitcher.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Valid point...

and maybe you are right. However, I still think it bears pointing out that he never had this problem until he reached the majors.

Maybe it's the lack of plate discipline by minor leaguers or maybe it's the relentless tinkering of his pitching coach...both seem plausible to me.

However, it's obvious that Duncan's approach is not working with Anthony. Why not let the guy pitch the way HE wants to for a month and see what happens.

Either way, I don't ever see him being succesful here as long as Duncarussa remains at the helm. If we can get our "SS of the future" for him...it's probably best for both parties involved.

BTW, did you read lboros post that proved that noone was hitting his 4 seamer with any authority?

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 4, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

might have had something to do

with the fact that he was pitching to MINOR LEAGUERS in the minor leagues. The games he has had great success in- specifically those vs the white sox and the tigers- the opposing team went up there swinging at every piece of junk he threw, popping up on balls out of the strike zone or swinging and missing. When he's forced to throw in the zone to a MLB-caliber hitter he gets creamed.

That scouting report is out there now, and teams are taking better at bats against him, resulting in him walking a lot of MLB players on pitches that would get a AAA player to pop out.

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jun 3, 2007 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree that

Pitchers that "top out" at 91-92 cannot live at the top of the strike zone. But the point is that Reyes, at times this year, last year, and in the minors, usually threw his 4-seamer 93-95 mph. Combining that and the knowledge that his high fastballs haven't been hit with any authority, and I think it is pretty clear that he can spend a significant amount of time above the belt.

As for his changeup and the curveball, I think they have been severely affected by his forced assimilation into the "2-seamer sect". I think his arm speed has slowed enough that he can't consistantly maintain his release point on the two pitches. The change sails to the right and the curve is pulled to the left & down, more often than not. Before, his changeup was a swing-and-a-miss in the zone; now it's wide of the plate.

Before the 2-seamer was mandated, he was a 3-4 ERA, strike-throwing machine. After the mandate was set, he's been a 5-6 ERA, fling-&-pray failure. Call me crazy (it's OK, you can, I am), but my first guess would be that's the likely cause.

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Jun 3, 2007 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well stated...

I wish I could get my point across as eloquently as you :)

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

From the Boston Globe

Agent speak from Mulder's agent:
According to his agent, Gregg Clifton, Mulder has thrown from 230 feet and will get back on a mound next week in St. Louis. From there he will slowly work his way back, likely making a few rehab starts in June. The Cardinals have been extra cautious with Mulder, but his presence is needed to boost a staff on which four of the five starters were in the bullpen a year ago.

In other news, Sweet Lou is suspended indefinently.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Reyes mechanics.....

are different, and he had a serious arm injury that cost him his sophomore season in college. He came back from that injury while still in college and has pitched effectively....without injury since then. His problems developed when they tried to force the 2-seamer which he apparently can't or won't throw.....My son is a pitcher, high school, American Legion, now Div. II. He has been told so many different ways to "correctly" throw a pitch by so many different pitching coaches that he just listens and tries to work it their way as long as it feels comfortable. My son cannot throw heat; he can throw a sinker and a curveball that breaks in the dirt. If he was required to pitch up in the zone, he'd be done. Maybe Reyes feels like he doesn't want to get beat on a pitch he knows he can't throw well. Duncan has a terrible track record with developing young pitchers, he really does. I have read Dyar Miller has said Reyes is the best he's ever coached, and he's been in AAA since before I was born. I'm sorry that they just won't let him pitch-if his best pitches get him beat, he'll know he has to make the changes, and he'll do it. This is not conditioning or unwillingness to work or not caring about baseball. I think he WANTS success, and he knows himself better than we or they do. At any rate, the organization thinks that Wellemeyer and Wells have more upside than Reyes, and that J Rod deserves to rot at AAA. There are some folks that are just blind in this organization......

by jillsinmo on Jun 3, 2007 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dyar Miller

next pitching coach of STL -- I'd be ok with that.

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

New front office...

Oquendo
Miller
Lunhow

There are some guy that will be able to lead a younger team.

It's time for the old guard to go. They are stale.

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Must have gotten stale fast

2 seasons removed from 2 100 win seasons, 2 World Series in 3 years.

I'm sure it is the front offices fault that Chris Carpenter, Josh Kinney, Mark Mulder, Scott Rolen, Jim Edmonds, Juan Encarnacion, Preston Wilson, David Eckstein and Chris Duncan all became injured or took longer to recover from injury than expected.

Not to mention, Albert Pujols has started this season NOT the most dominate hitter in baseball, but merely 'above average'.

You can't turn to them and say "This is the team you built, they stink" because the team they built is:

Eckstein SS
Duncan LF
Pujols 1B
Edmonds CF
Rolen 3B
Encarnacion RF
Molina C
Kennedy 2B

Speizio
Bennett
Taguchi
Wilson
Miles

Carpenter
Mulder
Wainwright
Looper
Reyes

Hancock
Thompson
Kinney
Flores
Johnson
Franklin
Izzy

That 25-man roster, healthy, wouldn't be 7 games below .500.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Disagree

Eck, J'Ed and Rolen are all on the wrong side of 30. A drop off, even severe ones were somewhat predictable. Kennedy's last good season was several years removed as was Wells and Franklin. We knew Mulder, J'Ed, Juan'cion and even Izzy would start the season injured or recovering. And three fifths of the rotation that you mention were unproven.

Don't get me wrong, for the most part I supported the off-season roster moves- both the ones we made and ones we did not. And to an extent I think the decline of this team was unavoidable after the '04 series defeat, but after last season it seemed clear to me that at best we had a slightly above average team.

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Zubin

Rolen posted an 887 OPS last year 738 OPS. No one could predict a 150 pt drop. That's just disingenuous.

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's now at 738

head faster than fingers

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Drop offs

sigh No doubt Rolen falling off a clif wasn't exactly predictable, but neither was Duncan's emergence in left or Looper's early imiatation of Chris Carpenter. My point simply was that the team was already in decline and could clearly decline even more. If you throw in known injuries and a bunch of newbie starters I think it was unrealistic to expect much more than a slightly above average team.

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just

Because you're over 30 doesn't mean you're going to fall apart.

I think the only predicatable drop off could have been Edmonds (but he's showing plenty of signs of returning to normal).

Enc should be putting up similar stats but he's dealt with injuries.

As for Rolen, read what Azru wrote.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Um, we knew about J'Enc's wrist

and we knew how dangerous those injuries can be. Again, his decline or slow start was at least somewhat predictable.

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They did...

get stale fast. Just like the roster.

They ARE NOT the juggernaut they were in years past. Let us not forget this team won 83 games last year. Yes, they had a great run, but it is over.

Let me ask you this. Do you think Larussa, with his affection for old grizzled vets, Duncan, with his poor track record with young pitchers, and Jocketty, whose MO is to trade young player for vets, are the guys to lead this team through a rebuilding process that obviously must be done? Can you possibly claim that? I think not.

Don't give me the BS about injuries either. They happen to EVERY team. Yes, it was the front offices fault that they got no legitimate OF depth when they knew full well that Edmonds would be recovering and Enc would not be ready. Yes, it is the front offices fault that they gave a 3 year contract to an obviously declining 2B only because it was perceived to be a value. They KNEW Mulder wouldn't be ready until the AS break at best. Yes, it is the front offices fault that they are so set in their ways they won't accept change.

I'll say it again...they are stale and it's time for a change. Thanks for the great run, but you guys ARE NOT the best choices for us moving forward.

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I love 50 game sample sizes

on the direction of a franchise.

Remember, the team fell apart last year when Edmonds, Pujols and Mulder got injured. As was said through the entire final stretch getting to the playoffs, "this isn't an 83 win team." Injuries cost the Cardinals their fair share of wins last year.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree with Hardcore...

Come on guys, we won the WS last year! Gimme a break. The season is not over and we play in the worst division in baseball.

There are a lot of teams with good YOUNG talent; Oak and Minn come to mind. They have great farm systems and develop their talent. One thing though, they haven't won a WS in awhile. In fact, neither team has BEEN to a WS in awhile.

by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

50 game sample sizes...

How long until you deem it appropriate to worry? Just curious

BTW, I still think this team has a good chance at the playoffs. Thank god for the NL Central right?

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For a season? 50 is a decent enough sample

size. However, for a franchise's direction, I don't think we are there yet. Our best prospects of the last 7 years are all coming to a head right now or in the next year. Pujols, Molina, Duncan, Rasmus, Our Baby Pen, Reyes, Wainwright (via trade).

I know there is sentiment that we need to rebuild, but the team is already doing that. They are getting younger and they appear to be 'bridging' decently so that a productive product is being put on the field.

Would this team be where they are right now if Chris Carpenter wasn't injured? Since going down, his spot in the rotation has produced:

Thompson
3-1
5 starts
30 IP
36 Hits
14 ER
10 Ks
4 BBs

Keisler
0-0
3 starts
14.1 IP
17 Hits
9 ER
5 SO
4 BB

Combined
3-1
8 Starts
44.1 IP
53 Hits
23 ER
15 Ks
8 BBs

1.38 WHIP
4.69 ERA

I think that it may preach to this teams depth that after losing their ace and demoting their 3rd best pitcher, they've been able to patch holes and remain 6 games under .500 after 50 games.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They would probably be....

.500 or a couple games over if Carp were healthy. In, by far, the worst division in baseball mind you.

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

but even against the Central as it is, the Cardinals have a 17-13 record. Outside of it in NL, 7-14.

Like Roy Oswalt, Chris Carpenter is the Cardinals 'stopper' or the guy they throw against good teams to give them a shot in series against better teams.

The point is that people can say the team was poorly constructed or is too old, but in honesty, they have been hit with a bunch of timely injuries that have weakened them.

With the way things are looking now, barring any more significant injuries, everyone will be getting healthy just after the All-Star break. Getting 2 good pitchers back (3 if Reyes turns it around) and booting Wells from the rotation will, in my mind, put this team in a position to beat just about anyone in a series sans maybe the Mets, Braves and Padres.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

If you have a healthy Carp and Mulder at the top of the rotation that can hide alot of flaws in a short playoff series, and like I said...this team still has a very good shot at the playoffs because they play in the NL central.

We do agree it's time for Wells to go.

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 4, 2007 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lineup

Eckstein SS
Spiezio 3B
Pujols 1B
Edmonds CF
Encarnacion RF
Ludwick LF
Bennett C
Ryan 2B
Looper P

I miss Rolen.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I miss Duncan

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I miss Pujols

The '01-'06 model, that is.

by cloistermaximus on Jun 3, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then...

let's put '02 Pujols at 3rd today, and '03 Pujols in left. We'll have '05 Pujols play 1st. '07 Pujols can be available off the bench. :)

by sgfcards on Jun 3, 2007 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dont forget where the cardinals need the most help

'04 has got to be on the mound! He'd throw a no-no racking up 18 K's.

by cloistermaximus on Jun 3, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds good; let's do it!

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The win now beast

Erik:

You echoed my thoughts for the past week. I hate to say it but I almost perfer the Cardinals to drop out of the race this year and focus on building a young team that can compete next year or 2009.

As far as Reyes goes, I think everyone ignores the elephant in the room. Even if its not the sinker, Reyes needs a third pitch. A good (not great) fastball, a change and a absolute joke of a curve ball just won't cut it in the bigs.

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Reyes' Curveball...

It should be scrapped. It's almost as bad as his two-seamer :)!

I agree, although it doesn't need to be a great pitch, he does need one more thing to help keep hitter honest. A splitter?

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i've read

his curveball was a good pitch from scouting reports a long time ago. i don't know why it's not working as well for him lately.

Future Redbirds

by erik on Jun 3, 2007 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've read the same

However, from what I have seen of it...it looks terrible.

Maybe the tinkering has something to do with this as well. There is no doubt in my mind that having the two seamer forced onto him has had a direct effect on both his 4 seamer and change...maybe the curveball as well?

I just find it funny that as soon as DD isn't around he suddenly reverts to his "old self".

Most telling for me. He got through 7 innings while throwing 98 pitches....hmmm.

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wilson news:

The Cardinals are growing increasingly worried that Preston Wilson might not return this season as Wilson is all but committed to undergoing surgery on his right knee.

Wilson has swelling in the knee and treatment has done nothing to alleviate the condition. "He's clearly at the point where he needs to consider something surgical," Dr. George Paletta said. Wilson planned to consult with noted orthopedic surgeon Dr. Richard Steadman soon for a second opinion.

Source: St Louis Post-Dispatch

Anyone else think Preston was told to sit the bench or you are going to get DFA. It was obvious he was not helping the team on the field, but he seems like a nice guy who got along with everyone. It would be a win win for both parties as Wilson just does not have it anymore.

by El Hombre on Jun 3, 2007 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

DLing someone who's...

struggling is one thing, performing surgery though, that's taking it to a new level...

by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ha

Listen, you want paid? We are going to cut you then.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Im sure

that a lot of players could use a little surgery but play through the injury. I just find it odd that on the verge of being DFA'd 2 years in a row with no place for him on the roster, both parties win if he stays out for the season. Next year a team will more likely be willing to give him a shot.

by El Hombre on Jun 3, 2007 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is anyone really "worried"

that Preston Wilson might not return this season?

by Stanfan6 on Jun 3, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I for one....

am terrified. Can't sleep at night!!!

There's always next year :(

by bobbyballgame1 on Jun 3, 2007 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And for anyone who takes an intrest in the draft

http://www.minorleagueball.com/ is doing a 5 round mock draft starting at 2:00 PM Central.

by El Hombre on Jun 3, 2007 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I love

lead off homeruns!!

"If I managed the Cubs, I'd be an Alcoholic." - Whitey Herzog

by cyko42 on Jun 3, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

welcome back Eck!

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Whaaaaaaaa?

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Jun 3, 2007 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Welcome to 10-Run Sunday!

Are we still celebrating that?

by ColinMacLeod on Jun 3, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I love 426 foot outs

blow up that damn hill.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

there is no other hill like that in baseball...

for good reason...

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking the exact same thing

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That second pitch was a strike?

shit, that was 4 inches outside

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 2:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jay Randolph's problem with Minute Maid

left field is too short. That angers you more than an f---ing hill and pole out in center??? really?

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow, finally seeing the replay of the Lee HR

what the heck was Juan wearing, cement shoes?

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yeah

they talked about that last night. that he could have got to it but got too close to the wall and ran into it with his shoulder. you could tell from his reaction afterwards that he knew it too

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lee 2007: too slow to run out infield singles

Lee 2010: too slow to run

Enjoy that contract Houston.

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Drilling him in the elbow

has apparently had the Rookie of the Year effect on David Eckstein. Nice throw.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like the way

Loop strolls off the mound at inning's end - I can win this one and I know it. Good presence. Oh, and I can't wait to find out what is on Everett's I-Pod.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Looper's pitches are looking

mmmm mmmm mmmm mmmm good today.

Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

2 pitches, 2 outs

Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

did anyone elses

mlb.tv just go out?

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Mine did too

Hey, what time is it where you are, Dave?

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep, my screen is just showing the MLB logo

by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes

by stltrav09 on Jun 3, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes..

I was gonna ask the same thing.

by cardsrul on Jun 3, 2007 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and we're back

didn't miss much....

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Way to work the pitch count, Ryan!

And then Looper does the same thing - out on the first pitch.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If i see a fat pitch over the plate

in my first at bat in the MLB, i'm swinging too.

Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really,

so would I

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least

Eck used up 5 pitches before grounding out. And we are back to live TV.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Braves just got jobbed

because of a bad rule.

by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What happened?

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bases loaded 1 out

Ground ball to first and it hits Ramirez. Very easily could have been a double play to end the inning.

But since it hit Ramirez, dead ball, Ramirez out and Jones credited with a single but all baserunners must stay put. Bases still loaded, 2 outs and DeRosa hits a Grand Slam.

by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

On any given day

4/9 of the Astro lineup is comprised of horrible hitters. We should be able to outscore these clowns.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Jun 3, 2007 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Another nice inning by Looper

Nice catch by Eck. Glad to see the Astros' evil plan to take him out failed.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Where was that ball hit to

by Edmonds? I saw where the pitch was located and thought to myself "If that was an out, I'm sure JEd hit it a long way." Based on how hes ben hitting lately.

by Pujols Is A God on Jun 3, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pence was on the warning track.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

399 feet

just left of that gaspump in leftfield.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow

This game is flying by, especially when AP grounds into a double play.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice play by Spiezio

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Deja vu

He did it again

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Holy shit

he crushed that. Loved the look on his face when he did it too, like "Yeah, deal with THAT!"

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow

where did that ball end up? I never saw it land.

Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 3, 2007 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

haha

I don't Lee even moved a foot on that hit.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

thank you Enc.

You wouldn't even know it was an hr by the announcers reaction...

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Joo-wan

Encarnacion has a prototypical Enron swing.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 3, 2007 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jason Jennings is awful

I loved how the announcer was talking about him cruising along after the Eckstein Homer. Perhaps he missed Pujols hitting the ball 426 feet right back up the box.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather have him than Wells

that being said, he's still pretty mediocre at best.

Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 3, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hard hit shots all around!

Nice shot Lutvig!

by ColinMacLeod on Jun 3, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ludwick

He's starting to look pretty impressive.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ludwig seems to like Minute Maid Park

Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Or getting to play everyday

They said last week that he and McRae had worked on his swing and had 'readjusted' it back to where he was having success.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ludwick and Bennett both hit doubles

and it's 3-0 :)

by Petkovsek on Jun 3, 2007 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Way to go, Gary!

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I love the socks

but too many check swings.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ryan

just play some solid defense for a few days.. thats all I ask of you.

by stltrav09 on Jun 3, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

would that annoying woman

who keeps yelling come on Jennings please stop.

"If I managed the Cubs, I'd be an Alcoholic." - Whitey Herzog

by cyko42 on Jun 3, 2007 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i'm just waiting...

for MLB.TV to get her to announce the commercials.

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For anybody watching the Houston feed

Does it sound like they're playing in an almost empty stadium with one woman yelling and clapping constantly?

by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

She is the only fan you can hear

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

annoyed

with the VOTE ASTROS banner in the outfield. do other teams have anything like that in their outfield? I know it's similar to the ad that's on all the teams' respective websites, but it looks stupid.

Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 3, 2007 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like how the Vote Astros banner

is right under the Waste Management ad. That makes me laugh.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know

you MLB.TV(?) guys are being driven nuts by the Dick's ad, but as a Fox Midwest watcher, if I see that Chevy commercial with the God-awful adaptation of "You are my Sunshine" one more time I will do something rash, like look into a nice used Camry or something.

I already want to buy domestic, you tools, stop botching the sale. ("Please don't taaake my sunshine aWAAAAAAY!")

by DanUpBaby on Jun 3, 2007 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We have pong noises now.

I ♥ MLBTV

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Jun 3, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is our country

Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 3, 2007 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, I usually listen to the radio feed...

while I watch the game on MLB.tv during away games. The radio feed is usually a pitch behind but at least I get to listen to Shannon (or Hrabosky today) & Rooney instead of the visiting announcers and the annoying commercials or pong noises.

by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice turn by the kid...

Looks like he has a good arm as well.

by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Very nice

I know I am in the minority, but I don't like the socks - it looks so minor league. You are in the Bigs now, kid, time to free those pant legs.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

C'MON ADAM!!! WOOOOOOO!!!

Please lean away from the microphone ma'am.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Jun 3, 2007 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Unbelievable

Stupid center field

by Petkovsek on Jun 3, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Umm, so, Edmonds is back.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Jun 3, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

kelly stinnett.

I was hoping they'd sign this guy to be their backup catcher in the first place this year. Good that Brian Esposito at least got into Baseball-Reference.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 3, 2007 3:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Kelly Stinnett (C) has been acquired...

for cash. Looks like Esposito is back down to AAA. Nice knowing ya kid.

by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Damn

I was looking forward to seeing that .214 lifetime fury.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

haha

Was LaRussa just drinking a Red Bull?

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ha, i noticed that too.

product placement, just earned himself a free case.

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I saw that too

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

kelly stinnett for a sack o cash

if he does good, does he challenge bennett for the backup job when molina come back?

by stlcardinalsfang on Jun 3, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

probably not

they like the way bennett "handles the staff"

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have a feeling that Gary Bennett will be our

future pitching coach. Remember, it was Gary that worked with Dave Duncan on devising the gameplans in the playoffs.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"How'd you hit the ball that far"

Hunter Pence just asked Albert that at 1st base. That was kinda funny.

Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Somewhat ironically,

Stinnett's team, the Las Vegas 51's are playing at Memphis. Kelly was not in the starting lineup.

by the way, J-Rod hit another homer in the 1st inning

by stltrav09 on Jun 3, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Is Pence the new Cardinal killer?

Kid's gonna have a nice long career: power, speed, good defense.

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ok, Reyes for Pence...

what ya think? would the Astros go for it? <insert sarcasm here>

by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yes, please

let's hear what Adam Everett has on his ipod.

Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 3, 2007 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dang!

Shut-out is gone, but it is amazing that both pitchers have thrown 80 pitches thru 6.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if Rasmus...

could do for us what Pence is doing for the Stros.

Their lines from the Texas League (06 for Pence, 07 for Rasmus) are very similar... Rasmus is just a couple years younger, and of course he's losing 1-0 in DWIs...

by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wish they'd show us who that crazy

loud woman is that keeps yelling.

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Brad Thompson = Chris Carpenter Jr?

According to TLR...according to the Houston announcers.

Hmm...why? Just because he can get groundballs?

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

has anyone here ever caught a foul ball?

or been with someone who has?

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I was...

about 2 seats away from one in SF. It bounced off the upper decks and came back and I didn't see it. Otherwise I would have jumped all over it...

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Larry Bigbie sighting!

Hey, look at that. I ventured to the Las Vegas minor league website to view Kelly Stinnett's stats and guess who showed up hitting .349? Our old friend, Larry Bigbie. I guess he likes Vegas better than Memphis!

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Larry%2520Bigbie&pos=&sid=t400& ;t=p_pbp&pid=406933

by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He's actually

a free agent right now. He opted out of his contract.

by outraged on Jun 3, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pujols and the hill

So I'm only half watching today. Is my gameday deceiving me, or did AP hit two 420-foot outs?

by DCGreg on Jun 3, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes

he did.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jinx

You owe me a Coke.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I threw

a rock.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I threw paper

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Low five.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm

just glad I could bring you two together.

by DCGreg on Jun 3, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, he did

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Way to hustle, Juan

runner holds at 3rd, but you put your head down and give up the run from 2nd base and cost the team a run.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dude

Juan is the king of hustle. We all know that.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Double play would be nice.

Then again, how bout a triple play?

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How about throwing it away to 3rd

cause that's the option we took.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

dumb ass play.

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Shit

Bases loaded no outs

by Petkovsek on Jun 3, 2007 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Berkman, bases loaded

ugh.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That is why you go for the safe out at first!

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Damn, dropped the ball.

Good effort. thought he would have been out if the ball isn't dropped.

by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I smell a slam.

ugh.

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If Rolen was playing,

the inning would be over.

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why didn't Speezer

go home with that one?

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We

REALLY need a double play right now.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Loretta

I think is 0-for-9 against Franklin

by Petkovsek on Jun 3, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

but

.545 with RISP

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

9-6 Force Out

Only with JuanE in RF, right?

by ColinMacLeod on Jun 3, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I assume you're trying to take a shot at Enc

but I'm not sure I understand.

by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

Start hoping for Brad Lidge.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I dunno...

he's back to his 2004 form, they say...

by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's been said

4 or 5 times since the "event".

by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

J-rod

with his 2nd jack today.

by El Hombre on Jun 3, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

At least the game is tied.

trying to look at the bright side.

by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bases loaded

no outs. I'll take a tie game with the big bats coming up in the 8th.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eck and Speez are now "big bats"?

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

and I bet looper gets drunk off his arse tonight.

Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on Jun 3, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

OH FUCK YEAH

BOOM SHE GOES

by Petkovsek on Jun 3, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pujols 3rd HR of the day

too bad the first ones were robbed by this damn park.

Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yes!

the ballpark can't hold that one!

by jdubya on Jun 3, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hunter Pence

almost caught that one.

by DanUpBaby on Jun 3, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Dumb ass

Who pitches to him there?

by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Albert hasn't been Albert this year

besides you don't want to walk on the potential winning run. It was at least an arguably good call.

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's not much logic applied to a

Pujols at bat, let alone with 2 outs in the 8th inning of a tied game.

Plus, he's demolished two balls today already.

by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I really really love that Man.

by saladdin69 on Jun 3, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

There's the Albert

that we remember.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

finally got that aim down

way to go

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

In a normal park, he'd have 3 homers today.

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

you knew that was coming...

by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pujols

should have 3 hrs today... the Juice Box is a joke.

by cardsrul on Jun 3, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Albert

Never get tired of seeing that!

by GF54 on Jun 3, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That was Pujols' shortest fly ball

of the day, and it goes over the wall.

I hope Franklin is going back out, not Russ Springer.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nevermind

that sucked.

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The best part

According to the 'Stros' announcers, "It's not like he smoked it..." Whatever gets you through the night, honey, but that is a stupid comment.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and then for Pence

"He just pulled up to the Conoco pump and filled up."

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh no

shoot

by Petkovsek on Jun 3, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm getting really tired of Pence

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ditto to that

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Get used to it.

I fear he is the new Craig Biggio.

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

damn.

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What about that about Pence being a Cardinal kille

by ColinMacLeod on Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Crap

Way to give it right back, Franklin.

Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

son of a...

Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Damn... I was in the other room

I knew it was a homerun by the crack of the bat and the cheer of the crowd.

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So who is going to get us this lead back?

Enc, Ludwick, Bennett, no one?

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by Hardcore Legend on Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I have a good feeling

about Ludwick.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I forgot

how hard it is to make contact. My bad.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Jun 3, 2007 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure there's a good reason

to start Pence with a fastball, thigh high down the middle of the plate.

by Big Red on Jun 3, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

List of players I wish scurvy upon:

Juan E
Juan E
Ripped Wells

by saladdin69 on Jun 3, 2007 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

add Pence to that list.

by saladdin69 on Jun 3, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes,

I am so impressed with Stick Boy's power.

by cardsgirl95 on Jun 3, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to make a road trip down to Houston

Things to do:

rent backhoe, level hill
start fire to Crawford boxes
gag the crazy yelling woman behind home plate

by azruavatar on Jun 3, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Enron/Minute Maid..

is the worst park in the NL.

Why punish someone who hits it 420 feet to center while rewarding lazy fly balls to left?

Houstonians are such Philistines. Leave to them to try to manufacture quirkiness.

by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

bench

is anyone actually available off the bench today? and no, Esposito doesn't count.

I'd assume Miles is? I just don't think I want to see Brendan Ryan hit again.

Acquire some runs!

by madding on Jun 3, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He only gets 3 at bats?

Life is tough in the Show...

by guayzimi on Jun 3, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

uh, guys?

the three men batting for the cardinals in the 9th are have been hittin pretty darm well this series...

Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on Jun 3, 2007 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

anyone know

the last time we went into extra innings?

by davethebutcher on Jun 3, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

In Frisco... Pujols lame dash comes to mind.

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

J'Enc home here?

by Zubin on Jun 3, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hopefully

It will remain the last time we did.

Don't sell the farm~

by tripleacabs on Jun 3, 2007 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

bleh

I'm glad KSDK's announcer is telling us how tough the pitcher is, when we're watching a heater down the pipe and swinging at them up out of the zone. I think we are just poor hitters this inning. Some astute analysis, only on your Newschannel 5.

Don't sell the farm~

by tripleacabs on Jun 3, 2007 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs