Game 53 Open Thread: June 3, 2007, 1:05 pm CDT
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GAME TIME 1:05 CDT
Kip Wells everyone, Master of Disaster. At least Anthony Reyes had semi-decent components to go with an unusually low strand rate. Wells has just been crap all around. More from Strauss: Anthony Reyes can't just be successful in the minors to make it back to the show, his path back solely hinges on throwing the sinker. :SIGH: Memphis pitching coach Dyar Miller sides against the big club management.
"Some organizations try to clone people to their way of thinking. Others try to get the best out of the individual. I think in Anthony's case, you've got to work with him the way he throws. I just don't think he's going to be able to throw that two-seamer. He doesn't work that way."
Kudos to you Dyar, that's what we've all been saying. La Russa did also state that part of Reyes problems have been "situation recognition". We've found that to be true for the most part here with recent posts at VEB, and the prescription we came up for those woes is more high 4-seam fastballs. While La Russa is right, Reyes gets overly reliant on his off-speed stuff in situations with runners in scoring position, their idea of a remedy is a sinker, something as we all know and now experienced pitching coaches are saying Reyes can't do. Splendid. It's a subject that's been killed thrice over here at VEB and then some, with much debate. I'm just glad Miller said something about it, because it's not just Reyes I worry about getting a fair chance at a big league career over this "pitch to contact" extremism. There's some pretty interesting talent in the minors like Adam Ottavino, Chris Perez, Shaun Garceau, etc. that are high fastball pitchers. Are they going to get an opportunity if they don't throw sinkers, too? I love La Russa and Dunc for the success they've had here, but I happily put myself in the category of one who will welcome a change when they decide to ride off into the sunset. Maybe I'll regret saying it later, but I'd like to see our hard throwing pitchers liberated from a 2-seam tyrannic regime. (Ok, maybe that's overstating but you get the point.) Meanwhile, Kip Wells will get a pass because he's a veteran and throws a sinker. Blech. On somewhat of a side note, is anyone else feeling a little scared that the illusion that this bad division creates is going to push Walt into selling the farm for another run? The Cardinals have always been a "win-now" beast, but it seems now is the time to focus on developing the future more then ever, rather then selling it.
- Sean Smith has his sabermetrics to english dictionary. Funny.
- azruavatar from FR has an eyewitness account from last night's Springfield game.
- J-Rod homered in his 2nd straight game for Memphis since coming off the DL.
- Ping! Mizzou is headed to it's 2nd Super Regional in 2 yrs.
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I have posted several times about Anthony Reyes...
by jillsinmo on
Jun 3, 2007 10:19 AM EDT
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You have a point
by Harknights on
Jun 3, 2007 10:31 AM EDT
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Oh, and what about
by jillsinmo on
Jun 3, 2007 10:29 AM EDT
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ad busters
by sjoshi on
Jun 3, 2007 10:43 AM EDT
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Erik...
Then there's the issue of him tipping his change, or whatever. I've seen that thing get hammered far too often for it to be called an elite type pitch.
As for selling the farm, seems to me the tidy solution is to move Reyes and some second tier prospects for help now. I don't know exactly who we would trade, but I'm sure it would help since we need everything except a first baseman and a closer.
by guayzimi on
Jun 3, 2007 10:44 AM EDT
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I believe the problems
by plh903 on
Jun 3, 2007 10:49 AM EDT
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i don't get
by erik on
Jun 3, 2007 5:13 PM EDT
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I don't know too
I think we'll see Reyes scrap the two-seamer, add a MPH or two with a subsequent mechanical tweak or two, and get traded and be a league average pitcher for someone else.
It's kind of morbid that at this point I just need to know what happens when Reyes and Duncan separate. Maybe that just means that Reyes gets jerked around again and the guard changes for 2008.
by plh903 on
Jun 3, 2007 10:45 AM EDT
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Reyes won't stay
Ugh. I'm getting tired of talking about him already.
Might as well trade him while we can get something back for him.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 11:29 AM EDT
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Duncan and LaRussa
by 2x41z2tu on
Jun 3, 2007 9:08 PM EDT
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Mizzou
by snakestl on
Jun 3, 2007 11:56 AM EDT
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Guys who "top out"
Something I found interesting during the telecast of a Reyes performance occurred as (Ricky Horton, if I recall correctly) was interviewing ex-Card Scott Terry about the one-day "baseball camps" that are taught by Cards' alumni around the area. They started discussing Reyes' mechanics, and Terry essentially ripped Anthony a new one! Terry mentioned several points that he teaches pitchers not to do... Terry said Reyes' elbow was too low, and Reyes wasn't getting the most use out of his lower body, etc.
Now, I admit, Terry (and presumably his cohorts) are trying to teach kids how to pitch without hurting their arms; that's best done with "standard" mechanics. There are plenty of pitchers succeeding professionally with all sorts of different throwing motions, but I find it interesting that Reyes' motion is most often compared to that of perennially-injured Mark Prior.
Dunc has convinced me that Reyes cannot "blow hitters away" with a four-seamer up in the zone at 91-92 MPH. If Anthony could locate that four-seamer at the knees and follow it up with a changeup that "dies" below the strike zone, fine! Throw that! Otherwise, he needs another pitch (cutter, slider, curve) he can count on to keep hitters off-balance.
I'm almost convinced that Kip Wells is a lost cause, despite the outstanding "movement" he gets on his pitches, simply because he seemingly can't throw anything consistently where he wants to! Even when he was getting people out early yesterday, Wells was "missing" Bennett's glove by several feet! I don't know what Duncan (or anybody else) can do to correct that... Wells may simply be unable to hit "spots," and (if so) will never be an effective pitcher.
On a sunnier note, today's starter, Braden Looper, has had better "command" by throwing "90%"... and he still has the 95-MPH heater available when he needs it!
Let's win the series today, and hope we get Rolen/Eck/Young Dunc back by Tuesday!
by The Ol Goaler on
Jun 3, 2007 12:29 PM EDT
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Where have you been?
Anthony is not the type of pitcher that locates at the knees. That's just not him, he pitches up in the zone, and I for one, don't believe that you should try and make every pitcher on your staff essentially the same guy. He is a flyball/K pitcher, period. If you want a pitch-to-contact guy...throw Brad Thompson out there, but don't make a guy who has dominated at every level suddenly change what has worked for him.
Let him pitch the way he wants to. What do you have to lose. Duncan "SAYS" he can't be succesful with the 4-seamer, but I think it is obvious he will never be succesful with the 2-seamer. Give him the oppurtunity to pitch the way he wants to, and tell him... "sink or swim big boy. you wanted the chance, here it is. you fail and you'll be sent to the minors indefinitely"
Duncarussa is the most arrogant combo in baseball. They have had success, but they won't with a young team. I'll be glad to see them go.
BTW, Reyes was a guy who consistently threw in the mid-90's before Duncan starting screwing with him.
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 3, 2007 1:36 PM EDT
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Dominated at every level
I really wish people would stop lumping Reyes problems on to Dave Duncan. Dave Duncan doesn't force him not to be able to locate his off-speed pitch when he gets into trouble. Dave Duncan doesn't turn him into a ticking timebomb anytime someone reaches 1st base.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 1:43 PM EDT
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Meh
by plh903 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:00 PM EDT
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Ok
Lincecum
16.73 K/9IP
.83 WHIP
Hamels
12.36 K/9IP
.95 WHIP
Reyes blessing was that he didn't walk people.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 2:06 PM EDT
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Well that's certainly
Lincecum didn't exactly make all the stops or hang around any of them anyway.
by plh903 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:19 PM EDT
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Anyway, like
by plh903 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:22 PM EDT
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Without a double digit K rate
What it perhaps shows is that he was fooling minor league hitters with so-so stuff out of the zone of which big league hitters won't chase. If that is the case, his dwindling fastball isn't going to miss enough bats. Thus, the need for the 2 seamer...or something to keep the ball in the park.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 2:27 PM EDT
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I don't know
I understand that Reyes hasn't been so hot in the Bigs.
by plh903 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:32 PM EDT
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I haven't shifted gears
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 2:56 PM EDT
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He struck out
I have no idea what his ML time has anything to do with this conversation.
And I thought we were arguing over adjectives not verbs.
by plh903 on
Jun 3, 2007 3:07 PM EDT
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you were
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 3:12 PM EDT
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Just a joke concerning
by plh903 on
Jun 3, 2007 3:23 PM EDT
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Sooo...
Hmmmmm
Which one is it? Could Duncan's relentless tinkering have something to do with that? Seems totally plausible...even likely.
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 3, 2007 9:45 PM EDT
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Your pitching coach
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 9:50 PM EDT
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I'll ask again...
Could it be a product of the tinkering?
I don't see where his location was EVER a problem before. You are probably right though, having someone completely change his style of pitching doesn't have anything to do with it...
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 3, 2007 10:34 PM EDT
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I dunno
Tinkering could have something to do with it. However, to be THIS EPICALLY BAD at locating the off-speed stuff is ridiculous if he spent the off-season working on it.
I could understand if his curveball was flat or a slider 'didn't slide' but not being able to throw it anywhere close to the mit in a Kip Wells style when people get on base ultimately falls back on the pitcher.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 10:37 PM EDT
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Valid point...
Maybe it's the lack of plate discipline by minor leaguers or maybe it's the relentless tinkering of his pitching coach...both seem plausible to me.
However, it's obvious that Duncan's approach is not working with Anthony. Why not let the guy pitch the way HE wants to for a month and see what happens.
Either way, I don't ever see him being succesful here as long as Duncarussa remains at the helm. If we can get our "SS of the future" for him...it's probably best for both parties involved.
BTW, did you read lboros post that proved that noone was hitting his 4 seamer with any authority?
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 4, 2007 12:37 PM EDT
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might have had something to do
That scouting report is out there now, and teams are taking better at bats against him, resulting in him walking a lot of MLB players on pitches that would get a AAA player to pop out.
by SleepyCA on
Jun 3, 2007 10:41 PM EDT
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I agree that
As for his changeup and the curveball, I think they have been severely affected by his forced assimilation into the "2-seamer sect". I think his arm speed has slowed enough that he can't consistantly maintain his release point on the two pitches. The change sails to the right and the curve is pulled to the left & down, more often than not. Before, his changeup was a swing-and-a-miss in the zone; now it's wide of the plate.
Before the 2-seamer was mandated, he was a 3-4 ERA, strike-throwing machine. After the mandate was set, he's been a 5-6 ERA, fling-&-pray failure. Call me crazy (it's OK, you can, I am), but my first guess would be that's the likely cause.
by Solanus on
Jun 3, 2007 8:48 PM EDT
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well stated...
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 3, 2007 9:49 PM EDT
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From the Boston Globe
According to his agent, Gregg Clifton, Mulder has thrown from 230 feet and will get back on a mound next week in St. Louis. From there he will slowly work his way back, likely making a few rehab starts in June. The Cardinals have been extra cautious with Mulder, but his presence is needed to boost a staff on which four of the five starters were in the bullpen a year ago.
In other news, Sweet Lou is suspended indefinently.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 12:45 PM EDT
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Reyes mechanics.....
by jillsinmo on
Jun 3, 2007 12:57 PM EDT
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Dyar Miller
by azruavatar on
Jun 3, 2007 1:12 PM EDT
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New front office...
Miller
Lunhow
There are some guy that will be able to lead a younger team.
It's time for the old guard to go. They are stale.
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 3, 2007 1:39 PM EDT
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Must have gotten stale fast
I'm sure it is the front offices fault that Chris Carpenter, Josh Kinney, Mark Mulder, Scott Rolen, Jim Edmonds, Juan Encarnacion, Preston Wilson, David Eckstein and Chris Duncan all became injured or took longer to recover from injury than expected.
Not to mention, Albert Pujols has started this season NOT the most dominate hitter in baseball, but merely 'above average'.
You can't turn to them and say "This is the team you built, they stink" because the team they built is:
Eckstein SS
Duncan LF
Pujols 1B
Edmonds CF
Rolen 3B
Encarnacion RF
Molina C
Kennedy 2B
Speizio
Bennett
Taguchi
Wilson
Miles
Carpenter
Mulder
Wainwright
Looper
Reyes
Hancock
Thompson
Kinney
Flores
Johnson
Franklin
Izzy
That 25-man roster, healthy, wouldn't be 7 games below .500.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 1:48 PM EDT
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Disagree
Don't get me wrong, for the most part I supported the off-season roster moves- both the ones we made and ones we did not. And to an extent I think the decline of this team was unavoidable after the '04 series defeat, but after last season it seemed clear to me that at best we had a slightly above average team.
by Zubin on
Jun 3, 2007 2:05 PM EDT
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Zubin
by azruavatar on
Jun 3, 2007 2:09 PM EDT
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He's now at 738
by azruavatar on
Jun 3, 2007 2:10 PM EDT
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Drop offs
by Zubin on
Jun 3, 2007 3:49 PM EDT
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Just
I think the only predicatable drop off could have been Edmonds (but he's showing plenty of signs of returning to normal).
Enc should be putting up similar stats but he's dealt with injuries.
As for Rolen, read what Azru wrote.
by aet15 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:52 PM EDT
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Um, we knew about J'Enc's wrist
by Zubin on
Jun 3, 2007 3:51 PM EDT
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They did...
They ARE NOT the juggernaut they were in years past. Let us not forget this team won 83 games last year. Yes, they had a great run, but it is over.
Let me ask you this. Do you think Larussa, with his affection for old grizzled vets, Duncan, with his poor track record with young pitchers, and Jocketty, whose MO is to trade young player for vets, are the guys to lead this team through a rebuilding process that obviously must be done? Can you possibly claim that? I think not.
Don't give me the BS about injuries either. They happen to EVERY team. Yes, it was the front offices fault that they got no legitimate OF depth when they knew full well that Edmonds would be recovering and Enc would not be ready. Yes, it is the front offices fault that they gave a 3 year contract to an obviously declining 2B only because it was perceived to be a value. They KNEW Mulder wouldn't be ready until the AS break at best. Yes, it is the front offices fault that they are so set in their ways they won't accept change.
I'll say it again...they are stale and it's time for a change. Thanks for the great run, but you guys ARE NOT the best choices for us moving forward.
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:05 PM EDT
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I love 50 game sample sizes
Remember, the team fell apart last year when Edmonds, Pujols and Mulder got injured. As was said through the entire final stretch getting to the playoffs, "this isn't an 83 win team." Injuries cost the Cardinals their fair share of wins last year.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 2:11 PM EDT
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I agree with Hardcore...
There are a lot of teams with good YOUNG talent; Oak and Minn come to mind. They have great farm systems and develop their talent. One thing though, they haven't won a WS in awhile. In fact, neither team has BEEN to a WS in awhile.
by jdubya on
Jun 3, 2007 2:34 PM EDT
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50 game sample sizes...
BTW, I still think this team has a good chance at the playoffs. Thank god for the NL Central right?
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 3, 2007 9:52 PM EDT
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For a season? 50 is a decent enough sample
I know there is sentiment that we need to rebuild, but the team is already doing that. They are getting younger and they appear to be 'bridging' decently so that a productive product is being put on the field.
Would this team be where they are right now if Chris Carpenter wasn't injured? Since going down, his spot in the rotation has produced:
Thompson
3-1
5 starts
30 IP
36 Hits
14 ER
10 Ks
4 BBs
Keisler
0-0
3 starts
14.1 IP
17 Hits
9 ER
5 SO
4 BB
Combined
3-1
8 Starts
44.1 IP
53 Hits
23 ER
15 Ks
8 BBs
1.38 WHIP
4.69 ERA
I think that it may preach to this teams depth that after losing their ace and demoting their 3rd best pitcher, they've been able to patch holes and remain 6 games under .500 after 50 games.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 10:24 PM EDT
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They would probably be....
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 3, 2007 10:36 PM EDT
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Right
Like Roy Oswalt, Chris Carpenter is the Cardinals 'stopper' or the guy they throw against good teams to give them a shot in series against better teams.
The point is that people can say the team was poorly constructed or is too old, but in honesty, they have been hit with a bunch of timely injuries that have weakened them.
With the way things are looking now, barring any more significant injuries, everyone will be getting healthy just after the All-Star break. Getting 2 good pitchers back (3 if Reyes turns it around) and booting Wells from the rotation will, in my mind, put this team in a position to beat just about anyone in a series sans maybe the Mets, Braves and Padres.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 10:44 PM EDT
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I agree
We do agree it's time for Wells to go.
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 4, 2007 12:41 PM EDT
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Lineup
Spiezio 3B
Pujols 1B
Edmonds CF
Encarnacion RF
Ludwick LF
Bennett C
Ryan 2B
Looper P
I miss Rolen.
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 1:26 PM EDT
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I miss Pujols
by cloistermaximus on
Jun 3, 2007 1:43 PM EDT
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Then...
by sgfcards on
Jun 3, 2007 1:56 PM EDT
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Dont forget where the cardinals need the most help
by cloistermaximus on
Jun 3, 2007 2:08 PM EDT
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The win now beast
You echoed my thoughts for the past week. I hate to say it but I almost perfer the Cardinals to drop out of the race this year and focus on building a young team that can compete next year or 2009.
As far as Reyes goes, I think everyone ignores the elephant in the room. Even if its not the sinker, Reyes needs a third pitch. A good (not great) fastball, a change and a absolute joke of a curve ball just won't cut it in the bigs.
by Zubin on
Jun 3, 2007 1:53 PM EDT
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Reyes' Curveball...
I agree, although it doesn't need to be a great pitch, he does need one more thing to help keep hitter honest. A splitter?
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:10 PM EDT
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i've read
by erik on
Jun 3, 2007 5:14 PM EDT
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I've read the same
Maybe the tinkering has something to do with this as well. There is no doubt in my mind that having the two seamer forced onto him has had a direct effect on both his 4 seamer and change...maybe the curveball as well?
I just find it funny that as soon as DD isn't around he suddenly reverts to his "old self".
Most telling for me. He got through 7 innings while throwing 98 pitches....hmmm.
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 3, 2007 9:55 PM EDT
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Wilson news:
Wilson has swelling in the knee and treatment has done nothing to alleviate the condition. "He's clearly at the point where he needs to consider something surgical," Dr. George Paletta said. Wilson planned to consult with noted orthopedic surgeon Dr. Richard Steadman soon for a second opinion.
Source: St Louis Post-Dispatch
Anyone else think Preston was told to sit the bench or you are going to get DFA. It was obvious he was not helping the team on the field, but he seems like a nice guy who got along with everyone. It would be a win win for both parties as Wilson just does not have it anymore.
by El Hombre on
Jun 3, 2007 1:59 PM EDT
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DLing someone who's...
by guayzimi on
Jun 3, 2007 2:12 PM EDT
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Ha
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 2:14 PM EDT
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Im sure
by El Hombre on
Jun 3, 2007 2:19 PM EDT
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Is anyone really "worried"
by Stanfan6 on
Jun 3, 2007 3:56 PM EDT
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I for one....
by bobbyballgame1 on
Jun 3, 2007 9:56 PM EDT
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And for anyone who takes an intrest in the draft
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Jun 3, 2007 2:00 PM EDT
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I love
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Jun 3, 2007 2:06 PM EDT
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Welcome to 10-Run Sunday!
by ColinMacLeod on
Jun 3, 2007 2:07 PM EDT
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I love 426 foot outs
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 2:08 PM EDT
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there is no other hill like that in baseball...
by davethebutcher on
Jun 3, 2007 2:10 PM EDT
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That second pitch was a strike?
by azruavatar on
Jun 3, 2007 2:12 PM EDT
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Jay Randolph's problem with Minute Maid
by azruavatar on
Jun 3, 2007 2:15 PM EDT
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Wow, finally seeing the replay of the Lee HR
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 2:17 PM EDT
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yeah
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Jun 3, 2007 2:18 PM EDT
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Lee 2007: too slow to run out infield singles
Enjoy that contract Houston.
by azruavatar on
Jun 3, 2007 2:18 PM EDT
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Drilling him in the elbow
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 2:18 PM EDT
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I like the way
by cardsgirl95 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:22 PM EDT
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Looper's pitches are looking
by effin fisk on
Jun 3, 2007 2:31 PM EDT
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2 pitches, 2 outs
by effin fisk on
Jun 3, 2007 2:34 PM EDT
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did anyone elses
by davethebutcher on
Jun 3, 2007 2:35 PM EDT
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Mine did too
by cardsgirl95 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:36 PM EDT
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Yes..
by cardsrul on
Jun 3, 2007 2:37 PM EDT
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and we're back
by davethebutcher on
Jun 3, 2007 2:38 PM EDT
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Way to work the pitch count, Ryan!
by cardsgirl95 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:35 PM EDT
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If i see a fat pitch over the plate
by effin fisk on
Jun 3, 2007 2:37 PM EDT
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At least
by cardsgirl95 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:38 PM EDT
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Braves just got jobbed
by Big Red on
Jun 3, 2007 2:42 PM EDT
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Bases loaded 1 out
But since it hit Ramirez, dead ball, Ramirez out and Jones credited with a single but all baserunners must stay put. Bases still loaded, 2 outs and DeRosa hits a Grand Slam.
by Big Red on
Jun 3, 2007 3:03 PM EDT
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On any given day
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Jun 3, 2007 2:43 PM EDT
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Another nice inning by Looper
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Jun 3, 2007 2:44 PM EDT
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Where was that ball hit to
by Pujols Is A God on
Jun 3, 2007 2:48 PM EDT
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399 feet
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 2:59 PM EDT
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Wow
by cardsgirl95 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:48 PM EDT
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Holy shit
by Hardcore Legend on
Jun 3, 2007 2:58 PM EDT
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wow
by madding on
Jun 3, 2007 2:58 PM EDT
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haha
by aet15 on
Jun 3, 2007 2:58 PM EDT
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thank you Enc.
by davethebutcher on
Jun 3, 2007 2:59 PM EDT
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Joo-wan
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Jun 3, 2007 2:59 PM EDT
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Jason Jennings is awful
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Jun 3, 2007 2:59 PM EDT
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I'd rather have him than Wells
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Hard hit shots all around!
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Ludwick
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Ludwig seems to like Minute Maid Park
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Or getting to play everyday
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Ludwick and Bennett both hit doubles
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I love the socks
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Ryan
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would that annoying woman
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i'm just waiting...
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For anybody watching the Houston feed
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annoyed
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I like how the Vote Astros banner
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Jun 3, 2007 3:21 PM EDT
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I know
I already want to buy domestic, you tools, stop botching the sale. ("Please don't taaake my sunshine aWAAAAAAY!")
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We have pong noises now.
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Jun 3, 2007 3:12 PM EDT
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this is our country
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Actually, I usually listen to the radio feed...
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Jun 3, 2007 3:15 PM EDT
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Nice turn by the kid...
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Very nice
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Jun 3, 2007 3:15 PM EDT
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C'MON ADAM!!! WOOOOOOO!!!
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Umm, so, Edmonds is back.
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kelly stinnett.
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Kelly Stinnett (C) has been acquired...
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haha
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ha, i noticed that too.
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kelly stinnett for a sack o cash
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probably not
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I have a feeling that Gary Bennett will be our
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"How'd you hit the ball that far"
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Somewhat ironically,
by the way, J-Rod hit another homer in the 1st inning
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Is Pence the new Cardinal killer?
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Ok, Reyes for Pence...
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yes, please
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Dang!
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I wonder if Rasmus...
Their lines from the Texas League (06 for Pence, 07 for Rasmus) are very similar... Rasmus is just a couple years younger, and of course he's losing 1-0 in DWIs...
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I wish they'd show us who that crazy
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Brad Thompson = Chris Carpenter Jr?
Hmm...why? Just because he can get groundballs?
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has anyone here ever caught a foul ball?
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I was...
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Jun 3, 2007 3:45 PM EDT
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Larry Bigbie sighting!
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He's actually
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Jun 3, 2007 10:03 PM EDT
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Pujols and the hill
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Yes
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I threw
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Low five.
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Way to hustle, Juan
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Double play would be nice.
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How about throwing it away to 3rd
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Jun 3, 2007 3:56 PM EDT
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Berkman, bases loaded
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Damn, dropped the ball.
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If Rolen was playing,
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Why didn't Speezer
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We
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Loretta
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9-6 Force Out
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I assume you're trying to take a shot at Enc
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Well
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I dunno...
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Jun 3, 2007 4:08 PM EDT
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That's been said
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At least the game is tied.
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Bases loaded
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Pujols 3rd HR of the day
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Albert hasn't been Albert this year
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Jun 3, 2007 4:14 PM EDT
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There's not much logic applied to a
Plus, he's demolished two balls today already.
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Jun 3, 2007 4:16 PM EDT
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There's the Albert
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finally got that aim down
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Pujols
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That was Pujols' shortest fly ball
I hope Franklin is going back out, not Russ Springer.
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Nevermind
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The best part
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and then for Pence
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Jun 3, 2007 4:17 PM EDT
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Get used to it.
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Crap
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son of a...
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Damn... I was in the other room
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So who is going to get us this lead back?
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I have a good feeling
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Jun 3, 2007 4:23 PM EDT
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I'm sure there's a good reason
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List of players I wish scurvy upon:
- Juan E
- Juan E
- Ripped Wells
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Yes,
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I'm going to make a road trip down to Houston
- rent backhoe, level hill
- start fire to Crawford boxes
- gag the crazy yelling woman behind home plate
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Enron/Minute Maid..
Why punish someone who hits it 420 feet to center while rewarding lazy fly balls to left?
Houstonians are such Philistines. Leave to them to try to manufacture quirkiness.
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bench
I'd assume Miles is? I just don't think I want to see Brendan Ryan hit again.
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He only gets 3 at bats?
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Jun 3, 2007 4:26 PM EDT
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uh, guys?
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anyone know
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Hopefully
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bleh
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Bennett homers to win the game....
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I have this ugly feeling that Izzy
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Wheew
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Now what?
Springer for the 11th and 12th
TJ to close, if needed
Jimenez for the 14th and on
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we could probably use
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Jun 3, 2007 4:32 PM EDT
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Ludwick
I like the idea of going to izzy here...
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6 pitch 1-2-3 inning
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The anouncer talking about, pitch to contact
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i wonder how many
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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when did billy wagner
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sooooooooooooooo long!
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he's
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gooch!
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Freakin Taguchi...
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Taguchi
Astros announcers seem personally insulted that he homered.
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He seems to have the swagger back also
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boom!
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Yeah, I guess Pujols is trying to break all
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That's 4 HRs for Albert today
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oh yeah
and they just showed Scott Rolen up and walking without a limp in the dugout...
here come the cardinals, tra-la-la-la-la!!!
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I was
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Did Wheeler just get "Lidged"?
Way to go, AP!
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Wow, Any other park and Pu' would be 5/5
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4/5 with 4 hr's
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holy sh**!!!!
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are we still last in homers and extra base hits?
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