just another suppan knockoff
here are the starting pitchers' lines for the cardinals' last two games at shea stadium:
| IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | ||||
| jeff suppan, october 19 2006 | 7 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 2 | n.d. | ||
| mike maroth, june 25 2007 | 7.1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | n.d. |
nice of maroth to do that, because i had already been planning to write a post this morning likening him to suppan. i realize i do this a lot --- i compared ryan franklin to suppan here, and i compared miguel batista to supps here, and just last week i compared looper to him. i guess supps is such an everyman that he is similar to all pitchers; maybe that explains why his list of comparables at Baseball Reference is over 8,000 names long. . . . . ha ha ha, i kid. anyway, here's yet another "this guy is just like suppan" post; i never tire of writing them, and you never stop clamoring for them.
let's begin with their current-year numbers:
| w-l | era | whip | era+ | avg | obp | slg | k/9 | inn | inn/ start |
qs pct |
age | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| suppan | 8-7 | 4.90 | 1.495 | 87 | .297 | .355 | .464 | 4.3 | 101 | 6.1 | 38 | 32 |
| maroth | 5-2 | 4.73 | 1.564 | 89 | .303 | .371 | .538 | 3.4 | 85.2 | 6.0 | 36 | 29 |
aside from the slugging percentage, maroth has been more or less the equal of supps this year; the rate stats are slightly worse, but the differences lie mainly in the fact that maroth has been pitching in the dh league. both guys eat innings, throw quality starts about a third of the time, and more or less keep their teams in games.
the similarity deepens as we expand the comparison over a period of years. here they are from 2004-2006:
| w-l | era | whip | era+ | avg | obp | slg | k/9 | inn/ start |
qs pct |
|
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| suppan | 44-26 | 3.95 | 1.402 | 108 | .273 | .336 | .432 | 5.2 | 6.0 | 52 |
| maroth | 30-29 | 4.48 | 1.394 | 98 | .289 | .337 | .454 | 4.6 | 6.1 | 45 |
once you adjust for league, there's little to distinguish these 3-year stat lines from one another. even the apparent difference in won-loss record is probably just an illusion; suppan's teams ranked 1st, 4th, and 6th in the league in runs scored from 2004-06, while maroth's ranked 8th, 11th, and 5th. i'm too lazy to look up the actual run support each pitcher received, but suppan obviously received more --- to the benefit of his w-l mark.
it remains to be seen whether the theoretical similarity between these pitchers will manifest on the diamond. it might not --- maroth is recovering from arm surgery, similar to the one that sidelined chris carpenter (removal of bone chips in the elbow), and his peripherals look pretty shabby at the moment. but it's not unreasonable to hope that the change of leagues, coupled with distance from the injury, will raise maroth's performance into the league-average range. if it works out that way, then the cardinals' plodding, patient approach toward rebuilding the rotation --- maddening though it has been to some fans --- will look pretty good. maroth is locked up through 2008, and he'll cost less than half of what far more troubled pitchers are making via free agency. so the cards may have filled the hole in the middle of the rotation without sacrificing the payroll flexibility needed to address holes elsewhere on the team. they're only committed to maroth through age 30; suppan's contract runs through his age-35 season.
st louis did lose half a season waiting for this guy to shake loose; that is true. but better that, imho, than a bad contract that hamstrings the franchise for the next three years.
one other similarity between suppan and maroth, by the way; seems like they're both pretty good guys. read derrick goold's Bird Land post on maroth. whether or not you like the guy's pitching, you'll at least respect the type of person he is. more on maroth at tigers blog Bless You Boys. also:
- the cards will activate troy percival today. he threw 6.2 innings at memphis, gave up 1 run, struck out 9, walked 5.
- the cards' other memphis reclamation, tomo ohka, threw a decent game last night: 8 innings, 8 hits, 4 runs (3 earned). he only fanned 2, however, and gave up a homer. the cards have to make a decision on him now --- if they don't activate him, he can walk away from the deal. the results are pretty inconclusive so far; it's thought that the cards might ask ohka to extend the trial period for another start or two. if he forces a decision, i'd say the cardinals have no choice but to cut him loose --- especially now that they have maroth.
- also on the rehab watch: carp may make his first minor-league start next week, and looper may rejoin the rotation as early as this weekend.
- edmonds is getting cortisone shots now; he's the new larry walker.
- the cubs' fans have come unhinged.
- jeff weaver is f*cking sick of this sh*t, godd*mnit.
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One difference...
I wonder if Maroth's 86 is due to the injury, or if he's always been at that level.
by cardsfaninmass on Jun 26, 2007 8:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point
One other point this brings up (only one start I realize). If Maroth made the Mets look this bad after having an okay season in the DH league, what about Buerhle?
A stretch maybe, but if any other NL teams were paying attention last night, the MB sweepstakes could take another huge step. If that is the case, please please don't mortgage the farm Walt and wait until the offseason.
by gforce on Jun 26, 2007 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt the injury is the reason
If your theory is true, be ready for Carp to come out throwing a 90-91 mph 4-seamer.
by silent_bob on Jun 26, 2007 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
This must be borne in mind, as the drum-beat of "Here comes Carp, we are thus saved!" marches on...
by cardsfaninmass on Jun 26, 2007 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carp had bone chips removed
Good signs right now: a) Carp had no complaints of pain before surgery, b) and has had little to no discomfort since the surgery. This bodes well.
He'll be fine when he comes back. Just don't expect any more than 6+ innings or 90 pitches from him this year.
by silent_bob on Jun 26, 2007 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
by silent_bob on Jun 26, 2007 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought
Only 90 pitches? Why? He's not going to come back in 3 weeks and be able to go 120 or anything, but if you take the rehab starts as spring training and the month or so afterward as April, he should be able to "max out" on pitch counts by September 1. Am I missing something?
by joker24 on Jun 26, 2007 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think
by silent_bob on Jun 26, 2007 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd BETTER be on a
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 26, 2007 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we really...
We heard a lot of soothing, 'it's going to be OK' rhetoric before they decided to put him under the knife.
by cardsfaninmass on Jun 26, 2007 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris has said he had no pain
Having those there caused inflamation. Removing them should have fixed that.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you read this blog
There is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary here. Carp has been quoted directly.
He had elbow swelling and loss of range of motion prior to surgery. Period.
No reason to suspect any misrepresenting of the facts here, IMO.
by silent_bob on Jun 26, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allrighty...
by cardsfaninmass on Jun 26, 2007 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What impressed me the most
Two pick offs, no real facial change all year, a sac bunt, and a hit...where you been hiding MM? Good point that we had to wait half a year to get him, but wow, how bout a contract extension for him?
by gforce on Jun 26, 2007 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not to mention...
by billyhoyel on Jun 26, 2007 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.....
Bird land kind of made me feel lazy and complacent. A good person is someone who sees an opportunity right in front of them to help and puts the connection together. A great person is someone who turns their problem into an opportunity for others.
I think we got one of the great ones.
by Brock20 on Jun 26, 2007 9:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else think
Does anyone think we'll be seeing a rotation with 3 LHP next year?
by silent_bob on Jun 26, 2007 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade Reyes for MB maybe
Carp
MB
Mulder
Maroth
Wainer
Now that would be impressive
by gforce on Jun 26, 2007 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With nobody knocking down the door
Carp
MB
Wainer
Plus two young guys look quite strong heading into the future.
by gforce on Jun 26, 2007 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burwell in the PD
by gonzostl on Jun 26, 2007 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more telling than just that...
This trade only happens if Jocketty is truly making the calls, IMHO. I don't see Lunhow making this trade.
by SmashedAtoms on Jun 26, 2007 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is
by john vb on Jun 26, 2007 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
buying low
by azruavatar on Jun 26, 2007 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His minor league pedigree...
We're talking about a guy who had a one-hitter last year and completely dominated a game of the World Series. One of which was against the White Sox, the other was against a division rival.
by whopperman on Jun 26, 2007 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a couple games...
by _pistol_ on Jun 26, 2007 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Bud Smith
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
snark aside
it's near impossible to get a rationale response re: Reyes from you anymore HL
by azruavatar on Jun 26, 2007 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was no snark
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
apologies tendered then
by azruavatar on Jun 26, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clean it up
If Reyes had NEVER been called up to St. Louis, he'd more than likely be considered one of the top pitching prospects in baseball. He's just faired so poorly at the MLB level that his stock is going down.
He'll get through it, somewhere else. Sometimes a pitcher can't suceed without a change of scenery. I think he can be an effective #4 starter in the AL.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the name Bud Smith always makes me somewhat ill
by madding on Jun 26, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The white sox can get
or
trade for prospects
I'm not saying Reyes is the best offer they will get but if you can get a developed prospect rather than a draft pick, I would in this instance since Buerhle doesn't look like he will resign.
And it's not really extrapolating on a small sample size given that Reyes has 200+ innings at the AAA level. He also struck out 2+ more batters per 9 than Smith and walked 1 less per nine. The comparison really doesn't apply.
by azruavatar on Jun 26, 2007 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
I'm not saying Reyes will be a great pitcher. But I think the possibility still remains that he can be a good pitcher and, b/c he's young and cheap and has had some success at the big league level, he has some value, especially for a GM hoping to get players he can plug in TODAY!
by chuckb on Jun 26, 2007 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could I throw a name out here.....
by jillsinmo on Jun 26, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
throw out a different name
by azruavatar on Jun 26, 2007 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marquis?
I may agree with a point or 2 here, but Marquis is the wrong example to use.
by sdrone on Jun 26, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, you both are right.....
by jillsinmo on Jun 26, 2007 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williams wants major-leage ready talent
by gforce on Jun 26, 2007 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The big 3 at Springfield
by chuckb on Jun 26, 2007 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point exactly
I really don't think we have enough to get MB unless the change of scenery argument can sway the Sox. J-Rod isn't going to be anyone's outfield solution, and we have spare parts everywhere else. Even if we were to offer Dove, Cate, or Cavazos in the package, somebody else is going to pony up more. Just my opinion.
by gforce on Jun 26, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think it's foolish
by _pistol_ on Jun 26, 2007 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he'll be back before Sept...
by cardsfaninmass on Jun 26, 2007 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arbitrary Observations from Mets game 1
From what I could see, Maroth really had 3 pitches last night - the fastball (81-85 on the stadium gun) and the change-up (73-75) both of which he seemed to have decent command of last night...and the slider, which seems to be his out pitch (and works especially well on lefties - he made Delgado look silly) as it tails out of the zone (not sure any of the ones he threw last night would have actually been strikes). He seemed to work both sides of the plate, and I liked to see that he went inside on the first pitch to a number of batters. From above, it looked like he was being pretty aggressive, and I liked it. I will note that I was pretty disappointed with the Gomez HR. The first meaty, hanging fastball that Maroth threw was hit for a LONG just-foul ball...I was surprised that Maroth would throw it again only 2 pitches later as Gomez was likely waiting for it, and he took it deep. That pitch selection really bothered me (as it did again when Russ Springer had almost the exact same interaction with Green - HUGE foul ball, 2 pitches later he goes back to the fastball, and the waiting Green takes it deep to win). Anyone think that Yadi would have called it slightly differently - or was it just bad pitching...couldn't see where Bennett was set-up.
So Taguchi looked good even though he KOd twice, surprisingly. His first AB of the game lasted 10 pitches, and he really looked comfortable at the plate (until his last at bat).
Ryan Franklin looked really good, not letting a batter reach base in just under 3 innings. Perhaps it was the velocity increase in fastball that threw the Mets off a bit (10mph faster than Maroth) but he did look good.
That's about it. Looking forward to being at the next 3 games, even if I do have to see Wellemyer tonight.
by sdelek on Jun 26, 2007 9:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So Maroth can't throw 90 mph?
I think I saw the MEts pitcher hit 90 mph or 91 mph on the ESPN gun, and I thought he threw harder than that. I was assuming the ESPN gun was slow.
by sdrone on Jun 26, 2007 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Wagner
by billyhoyel on Jun 26, 2007 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the ESPNHD
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
He also threw a curve ball that, like Suppan, he threw at different speeds. Early in the game he threw a slow curve at 73-75 and later, in the 6th maybe, he threw it harder w/ more side-to-side break at 76-79. It was almost like a slider. And he also threw the change at 73-75. Sometimes it was difficult to distinguish the change from the curve.
He is really skilled, considering the fact that he could throw so many pitches, at different speeds, work both sides of the plate, and stay around the knees so often. When he gets the ball in the middle of the plate, he's going to get beat b/c he can't really throw it past anyone. But I was really impressed w/ what he was able to do w/ his curve -- the Mets had to be too.
by chuckb on Jun 26, 2007 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the report; very interesting
by CurtFlood on Jun 26, 2007 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice report
by Mr Clean on Jun 26, 2007 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"hamstring tendinitis"
It's sciatica. And if they're shooting him up with cortisone, he very well may have a herniated lumbar disc. Hopefully the disc is just bulging and irritated.
by silent_bob on Jun 26, 2007 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to Jimmy
by silent_bob on Jun 26, 2007 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had sciatica
by cardsrul on Jun 26, 2007 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have had it too
by bigcardsfan5 on Jun 26, 2007 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Percival up?
...but I could really picture Percival after Franklin last night.
by gforce on Jun 26, 2007 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Izzy- again
by silent_bob on Jun 26, 2007 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So true
That's why if it is a 2 or 3 run lead when he comes in...a few walks and ta da, all up to him ;)
by gforce on Jun 26, 2007 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
by chuckb on Jun 26, 2007 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
God, our bullpen just got really good. When Franklin can go 2+ innings, Percival 1+ and Izzy 1+, we shouldn't give up a lead after 6 innings.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't Cate still up...
by cardsfaninmass on Jun 26, 2007 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably not since he's the second
by azruavatar on Jun 26, 2007 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting, though
by chuckb on Jun 26, 2007 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carp's rehab
by SprfldCards on Jun 26, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
carp
by SprfldCards on Jun 26, 2007 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Last night's game
I feel a little sorry for that Cubs fan who snapped... many's the time I've yelled the same thing at the TV when it's my team foulin' up! I'd never charge the field, however... with my "speed", it'd take me at least two full innings just to get there!!!
And good for Jeff Weaver... I don't wish the guy ill, although I think he (or Scott "Evil Genius" Boras) made a mistake by not re-upping with the Cards. Last night's Mariners game showed "Spicoli's" competitive spirit that we Cardfans saw in October!
by The Ol Goaler on Jun 26, 2007 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Weaver's splits
Month W L IP ERA
April 0 4 11.1 18.27
May 0 2 10.2 10.13
June 2 0 24.2 1.82
by john vb on Jun 26, 2007 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Weaver seems to have found
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see.....
by stanchar on Jun 26, 2007 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was at the game last night . . .
As for the game --- I don't know how Springer throws that pitch to Green after Green destroyed that pitch foul earlier in the at bat. I know you don't want to walk the lead-off guy, but it seems like he could have been a bit more careful there. In any event, its hard to complain about a pitching staff that gives up three hits over eleven innings to what is almost certainly the best offense in the NL.
Most importantly, I caught my first foul ball. Perhaps I did celebrate a little too long, but I've been waiting 28 years for that, so I felt I had earned it. The Shea crowd really let me have it. Most of the taunts were "Taguchi sucks" (I was sporting #99's jersey), to which I responded "Ask Billy Wagner if Taguchi sucks" and "Is it his 17 game hitting streak that sucks, or that game tying RBI?" It was all in good fun though, I've been to Shea probably seven times in the last two years, and I've never had anything but good experiences. I'm getting tired of seeing walk-off HR's by the home team, though. There is no doubt in my mind that if I had been in the stands for Game 7 last year Beltran would not have left that bat on his shoulder.
by MUTiger on Jun 26, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maroth
Looks like our old friend, Jeff Weaver, is trending up after last night (and a second consecutive win). But I still think he would have been better if he stayed in the NL.
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 26, 2007 1:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What's Maroth's contract situation?
by sdrone on Jun 26, 2007 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
free agent
by _pistol_ on Jun 26, 2007 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
re: cubs fans
I love how the guy blames the fan's drunkenness on the team....
by nota bene on Jun 26, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 26, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And do we know
by chuckb on Jun 26, 2007 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like they are just trying to tease me
Keith Law, on ESPNEWS yesterday, reported that the Mark Buehrle-to-Boston rumor is bogus and almost certainly planted by the White Sox front office. Couldn't hurt to try, unless the plant damages relations with the Red Sox in the future. This type of practice is probably more common than we realize, though.
Furthermore, Tony Massarotti of the Boston Herald says the Red Sox are out of this thing (if they were ever really in it). By the way, the reason for the refusal to allow a 72-hour negotiating window: Buehrle's likelihood of signing with St. Louis after the season.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was going to make
Now the thought of a rotation in 2008 with Carp, Buerhle and Wainwright (whom I still expect big things from), DOES get me excited.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 26, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is Mark Mulder?
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why yes, yes he is.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 26, 2007 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like chopped cuff
by Hungry Jack on Jun 26, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But in order
Seems like your argument leads to a strategy of avoiding high $ pitchers (while refusing to settle for scrap heap reclamation projects) and instead putting that $ to hitters. Which sounds pretty reasonable to me.
by awpierce on Jun 26, 2007 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming everything goes accord. to plan
Chris Carpenter
Mark Buehrle
Mark Mulder
Mike Maroth
Adam Wainwright
If healthy, that could be one of the best rotations in the NL.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
Reyes
Mulder
Maroth
Wainwright
could be one of the best rotations in the NL too, and then next year the Cardinals could spend the money they'd be spending on Buehrle on somebody who can actually hit the ball
. Reyes put up better numbers in the minors than Wainwright, was regarded as the better prospect, and apparently had just as much Magic Playoff Pull-through-itiveness last year. Their peripherals are extremely similar this season. I don't get why they're viewed so differently, they've both got pretty much the same chance of developing into a very good pitcher.
by DanUpBaby on Jun 26, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes was 50/50 in the postseason
Reyes may turn out to be better than Wainwright in his career. Their periphs this season are very close, however Wainwright apparently has figured out how to get himself out of jams. Reyes ERA is over 2 runs higher than Wainwright's.
Putting a 0-9 (probably going to 0-10) starter as the #2 in the rotation, one of the best NL rotations does not make.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wainwright
6 starts
2.85 ERA
.231 avg against
14.27 pitches per inning
4.39 K/9
7.90 H/9
1.12 WHiP
.353 SLG against
.281 OBP against
His downfall has been giving up a higher rate of gopher balls, however it appears he is progressing much faster than Reyes.
Reyes needs a big game on Wednesday against the Mets. In his 2 starts back, he's been getting pummeled, with an ERA almost at 10.00.
Reyes has better stuff than Wainwright, I'm not going to dispute that. He's just not very effective at using it this year.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4.39 K/9
Anyway, sure Reyes hasn't gotten "out of jams" this year but I can't think of a pitcher who has ever struggled with that over an entire career or even over an entire season. There's a reason DIPS ERA/FIP/DICE correlates so well with ERA, and it's because mental toughness or getting out of jams etc. doesn't usually vary that much among pitchers over a large sample size.
by DanUpBaby on Jun 26, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now I think
BTW, his k/9 is higher than Andy Pettitte's and higher than Dan Haren's was in his first season as a starter. He'll be OK.
by chuckb on Jun 26, 2007 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll dispute that Reyes
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 26, 2007 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
by paCardsFan on Jun 26, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not as exciting as
by effin fisk on Jun 26, 2007 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about big Z?
;-)
by Big Red on Jun 26, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to have
by jillsinmo on Jun 26, 2007 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't misunderstand me,
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jun 26, 2007 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ankiel
by DanUpBaby on Jun 26, 2007 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He sure would be a nice stop-gap for Dye
Reyes
JuanEnc
Rodriguez
Anderson
for Buehrle?
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just what I need
by DanUpBaby on Jun 26, 2007 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No chance would I give up Anderson
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 26, 2007 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would
by Big Red on Jun 26, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of players in the PCL with ISO's over .200
Ankiel walk % is the 3rd lowest
Of those 28 players only 8 are 25yrs or under
Using wOBA from firstinning.com (.340 is average, .400 is great) Ankiel is .357 or a little better than average
It's also worth noting that the PCL as a whole marginally inflates HRs
Rick has shown some great power but he has holes in his swing that major league pitchers would most likely feast on. I just don't think he's ready for the bigs.
by azruavatar on Jun 26, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slick Rick
And he'd probably look pretty silly - for awhile.
I tell you what, I've been amazed by Lil Dunc's improvement in that area. Maybe with Ankiel's legendary athleticism, he'd make quick adjustments as well.
by silent_bob on Jun 26, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a *bomb* too
by whopperman on Jun 26, 2007 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes gets the start tonight over Wellemeyer
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 26, 2007 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Scratch that...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 26, 2007 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA!
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 26, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he filled out the lineup card wrong?
by nota bene on Jun 26, 2007 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when do you guys work?
...okay, back to writing proposals...
by RosevilleRedbird on Jun 26, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't write here a ton
by Solanus on Jun 26, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd read a book...
by guayzimi on Jun 26, 2007 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Walt We Trust...
If Maroth is just in the same ballpark as Suppan, he's a nice plug-in for Supp's "spot." He's younger and eligible for arbitration next year - yet another in a great line of mid-season acquisitions.
What Walt (& Tony) do a great job of is managing the entire season. 9.5 games will be a lot to make up in the division, but even if we come up short, we'll be in a better position than if we'd poured resources into a Jason Schmidt type.
by bgodar on Jun 26, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
roster move
by madding on Jun 26, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
are we maybe blowing Mikes start up a little?
by gdm426 on Jun 26, 2007 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
by Big Red on Jun 26, 2007 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We might be
by sdrone on Jun 26, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we are so starved for a good performance
by jillsinmo on Jun 26, 2007 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's not so much
And with our rotation in such poor shape, THAT is like a glass of water in the desert.
by CurtFlood on Jun 26, 2007 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terry Evans
Jamie (Olney, MD): So this Terry Evans dude, think he can stick with the Halos long-term? What do you think of him?
Joe Sheehan: I think he had a ten walks and 60 strikeouts in 257 ABs at Triple-A, and as nice as the power was, that tells me most of what I need to know about him as a hitter.
He's kind of the opposite of Reggie Willits in a lot of ways, and I guess I could see the two as a supercheap platoon in left field for a few seasons, with both serving as d-reps for Vladimir Guerrero and Gary Matthews as those two age.
by Carps on Jun 26, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs



















