we find the defendant . . . .
how fitting that the cardinals will face danny haren tonight. . . . . .
in this trial that i'm hearing, the defendant faces (among various charges) four counts of fraud. he's accused of passing himself off as a professional in a discipline in which he had no training and held no license to practice --- a total imposter. when i look at this guy today in court, something tells me i'm going to see kip wells' face. 4 walks, a hit batsmen, and a wild pitch in 11 batters faced? that's plain criminal --- and the case is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. in the people v. wells, the jury's already in: get the man off the streets before he ruins more lives, for god's sake.
and as long as i'm sitting in judgment, i gotta cast a guilty vote against la russa and duncan. for the second consecutive year, they've done a poor job of coping with an injury at the top of the rotation, making inefficient use of the available personnel; for the second consecutive year, they've pig-headedly clung to faulty decisions rather than admit what's obvious to everyone, ie their choices are not working out. when they finally do conclude that it's time to drop wells from the rotation (and for all i know that determination has already been made), they'll be the last ones to get there; the fans, sportswriters, talk-show hosts, and even lowly bloggers have been coming around to that position for that last 3 or 4 starts. it will be a bitter pill; duncan hand-picked wells, and he and tony anointed the guy the #2 starting pitcher. they can't blame this one on the front office or on tight-fisted owners; wells was their guy, and they were wrong about him.
just as they were wrong about marquis last year; just as they were wrong (or blind, or in denial) about mulder's injury and is'hausen's hip.
another mistake they've made two years in a row: refusing to bolster the collapsing rotation with an available starting pitcher who's pitching well in the bullpen --- and who was designated as rotation insurance at the outset of the year. last year it was wainwright; this year, ryan franklin. both are career-long starting pitchers who were brought to spring training as thickener --- to sop up starts in case somebody got hurt or pitched himself off the staff. yet when that very need arose, neither was used to plug the rotation hole because --- via logic only tony and dave understand --- they were pitching so well. . . . . i mean, the rotation's in tatters and the bullpen's being shredded by the burden of throwing 4 innings a night; the cardinals' team era is now above 5.00 for the season, and they're dead last in the league in that category. yet la russa has bristled at reporters' suggestions that franklin be used in the role for which he was acquired, i.e. as the #6 starting pitcher. same thing happened last summer with wainwright --- and yes, i'm well aware that wainwright's presence in the bullpen helped the cardinals win in october. but the cardinals almost didn't get to october, and if they hadn't the fault would have lain primarily with dave and tony's mulish inflexibility vis-vis the rotation. all summer they insisted on giving starts to the incompetent marquis and (whenever possible) the injured mulder, while wasting wainwright in the setup role. as we found in october, it's not that difficult to find a setup man. josh kinney --- is he such a special player? ryan franklin's not such a special player either, and his talents are not so unique that no one else on the staff could step into his role. i bet russ springer could handle it. brad thompson briefly had an angle on the job. maybe wellemeyer could do it; he pitched well in key relief spots before they moved him to the rotation. hell, andy cavazos has looked good so far; maybe he'll be this year's version of kinney.
franklin will never be considered anybody's #2 (well, maybe on this staff), but he might be a useful #4 --- something wells obviously isn't. it's time to put him into the rotation, restore reyes, and ship wells to the 'pen and kelvin jimenez back to memphis. like so:
| rotation | bullpen |
|---|---|
| wainwright | izzy |
| looper | springer |
| franklin | flores |
| reyes | wellemeyer |
| thompson | johnson |
| cavazos | |
| wells |
when carpenter returns, then thompson moves back to the bullpen --- the rotation is carp, franklin, wainer, looper, and reyes, while the 8th-inning role gets filled by thompson, springer, or whoever else happens to claim it.
dave and tony don't like to disrupt things that are working --- i understand the impulse --- and the bullpen endgame is one of the few parts of the cardinal pitching staff that works. but when your car's engine doesn't run, so what if it has a really kick-ass stereo, or an awesome paint job? the cardinals have yielded 5 or more runs 13 times in their last 20 games. that's how you lose series to last-place teams like the royals and nationals; that's how you fall far behind the division leaders even in a terrible division like the nl central. the front office took some risks when restocking the rotation this year, but it also provided some contingencies --- ryan franklin being the chief one. if la russa n duncan don't use it, that's their own fault.
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Zambrano and Yadi
I chalk it up to Z being Z, and nothing more.
by PopUp Rolen on Jun 15, 2007 7:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he means
I keed. I don't think I'd ever want a hothead like Z on the team... well maybe if he could hold it together for some 18-20 win seasons without blowing up on everyone.
by paCardsFan on Jun 15, 2007 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.....
by jillsinmo on Jun 15, 2007 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He carries
by billyhoyel on Jun 15, 2007 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's right
by jillsinmo on Jun 15, 2007 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
paging Mr. Andujar...
by Valatan on Jun 15, 2007 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tavares too!
by Titus Pullo on Jun 15, 2007 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z's the Man
by Titus Pullo on Jun 15, 2007 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm the only one
by Phyrkrakr on Jun 15, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 1000%
Theres a thin line between a "fiery competitor" and a "disruptive force" on a team and I dont think the Cardinals are realistically interested in finding out how his presence would effect the team for the amount of money it would take to get him.
The same people that support Zambrano coming here are many of the same people that went on and on about Buerhle being out of St Lous signing range, but they suddenly think we can sign Zambrano??? It'll never happen anyway, so no need to say more. Buerhle wont be here anytime soon either. Unless Chicago is desperate and Buerhle gives a huge home town discount, it wont happen.
by cardschinmusic on Jun 16, 2007 5:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly Agree
As for Wells, though, seriously. C'mon, guys, call it a day.
by the red baron on Jun 15, 2007 7:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wellemeyer
by whiteyball on Jun 15, 2007 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a plan
If Kip starts another game for the Cards then I'll know TLR truly is tanking the season.
by paCardsFan on Jun 15, 2007 7:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Spot on
By the time they came back into the dugout, these players, who looked ready and loose half an hour earlier, looked more like survivors of an earthquake. Wellshocked.
by the red baron on Jun 15, 2007 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is pain to see
by nybirdfan on Jun 15, 2007 7:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pain/plain
by meat on Jun 15, 2007 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen
But hey, i can't me much worse than Kip.
by Irishman on Jun 15, 2007 8:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
......what to do?
Maybe thats what LaDunca worry MORE about than having the vacancy in the 8th inning spot? The bullpens looking fairly weak to me right now and I dont see it ALL as being from over-use, worn out, exhaustion, etc. Theres more to it than being "tired"!.. tho Im pretty sure Springer could fill that 8th inning role. Then theres always the looming legacy of Percival in Memphis.
But, even if thats how it pans out...I dont know that I want to see Wells in the pen. Maybe he needs to be cut and just stick Reyes back in that spot and pray for Carpenter and Mulder to come back to a team still in the central hunt and move Wellemeyer and Thompson back to the pen. Going back down the Reyes road is pretty popular here, Im not sure Im in support of it, but if no trades or purchases can be made, its the best move we've got.
Wells becomes a mop-up guy otherwise. Hope their on the road the day that happens for the first time. Let him go.
by cardschinmusic on Jun 15, 2007 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Send Wells to the minors
by jillsinmo on Jun 15, 2007 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta tell you
To me, moving Franklin is irrelevant since we have Reyes sitting at AAA.
by sdrone on Jun 15, 2007 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Larry
by salvomania on Jun 15, 2007 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i thought the same thing. . .
by azruavatar on Jun 15, 2007 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's just the d.a.'s filing
by lboros on Jun 15, 2007 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a law student here ...
by matty fred on Jun 15, 2007 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grand Juries
She is now serving on a federal grand jury. It is cool cause some of the drug dealers we indicted are now witnesses in her jury room.
by nybirdfan on Jun 15, 2007 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
currently studying for bar exam
The biggest problem I could imagine would be somebody posting a message here saying "hey - i know they guy you're talking about in the trial, he's totally guilty/not guilty because xxx, yyy, zzz." That could create a big headache for the judge later on, if the guy loses and decides to appeal because a juror received improper information.
That kind of problem doesn't seem likely, but it's at least plausible. You've provided enough information for someone familiar with the trial to recognize it, and it's at least conceivable that the defendant (or the defendant's lawyer) has a relative or friend who follows the Cards and reads VEB. I wouldn't post any more information about the trial until it's done.
by mattlo on Jun 15, 2007 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
guilty!
by ChiTown CardFan on Jun 15, 2007 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what I'm hearing is that as a blog
by azruavatar on Jun 15, 2007 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Larry
by arthropodtodd on Jun 15, 2007 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
TLR and Duncan
by raisin on Jun 15, 2007 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Money
by jomfa on Jun 15, 2007 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the rest of his salary
by chuckb on Jun 15, 2007 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
money
by Irishman on Jun 15, 2007 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
by Irishman on Jun 15, 2007 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Sunk Cost
If we DFA'd him today, that'd work out to $70,175.44 per strikeout or $17,391 per out recorded.
by liam on Jun 15, 2007 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why waive him?
by guayzimi on Jun 15, 2007 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you're right
I thought coming into the season that Springer had a good chance at the 8th inning role. Why can't he or Wellemeyer or Cavazos or someone get the few leads we have to Izzy. Hell, Izzy's been great and deserves to be on the All-Star team but he won't be. Why? Not enough saves. Maybe if we put 2 decent starters in the rotation we can quit having him pitch the 7th inning of a 9 run shellacking!
by chuckb on Jun 15, 2007 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wells and LaRussa/Duncan
by MortLA on Jun 15, 2007 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if i take a lead pipe to Wells'
by azruavatar on Jun 15, 2007 9:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you know it's a tough year
by Irishman on Jun 15, 2007 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PT
by billyhoyel on Jun 15, 2007 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silver lining?
Makes me think of a Monty Python quote: "and now for something completely different."
by wildman on Jun 15, 2007 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wells
by itsalemmon1019 on Jun 15, 2007 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's Game
But if it were done, LaRussa and or Duncan should be hounded by questions of:
- Why did you give up on him (Haren)? (and if erik is right and the answer was pitching to contact) then...
- Where did he learn to throw the split?
- Was it in St. Louis?
- Is this something that is easily taught to pitchers?
- Do you think that may be the solution to Anthony Reyes' problems?
by bdief on Jun 15, 2007 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haren
by SprfldCards on Jun 15, 2007 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win now
by wildman on Jun 15, 2007 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm almost positive
by silent_bob on Jun 15, 2007 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Absolutely Positive
it was his second pitch in college...
If I remember right he didn't throw the split much in the low levels of the minors so that he could work on his changeup and slider, but he went back to the splitter after his first small stint in the majors (and he used it a lot in the playoffs in 04)
I believe his 10.55 K/9 IP in 130 IP in AAA is evidence of the use of his out-pitch, the splitter...
I always thought that the Cards traded Haren because LaDuncan were not happy with the attitude Haren showed while in the majors...He was quick to go to the 'slouched shoulders' form when things went wrong and I remember the disgusting look on Duncan's face when that happened...
that and there distate for anyone who tries to strike out more than 4 guys per 9 innings...
by tenniseleven on Jun 15, 2007 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Strikeouts are ok
by DriverZn on Jun 15, 2007 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
slouched shoulders
by SprfldCards on Jun 15, 2007 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't get why everyone blames the '04
by Valatan on Jun 15, 2007 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A simple request
by TurdFerguson on Jun 15, 2007 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I had that thought
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 15, 2007 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It should just be retired anyways
Maybe there is SOMETHING to the number being cursed then.
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2007 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bake McBride?
by Alxfritz on Jun 15, 2007 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another CF (prior to the Baker)
by 10worldchamps on Jun 15, 2007 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If so,
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 15, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine...
Good Lord, if Wells had been pitching for the Yanks or Sawks at home, the fans there might've rushed the field and disembowelled the guy!
Do what you will with Wells; but there's no doubt in my mind that the Cardinals would be better served by bringing Anthony Reyes back to the Show and starting him in five days!
by The Ol Goaler on Jun 15, 2007 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kip Wells crashed the PD
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2007 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the only good contribution
by azruavatar on Jun 15, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check out
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 15, 2007 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Screw the minors..
by stltrav09 on Jun 15, 2007 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a great column by Bernie.....
by jillsinmo on Jun 15, 2007 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And another thing
by jillsinmo on Jun 15, 2007 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
have a little faith
by SprfldCards on Jun 15, 2007 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is supposed to be funny, not mean...
by jealousblues on Jun 15, 2007 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i posted this last night
"just what do u say after a game like this? yes i agree with everybody here, wells SHOULD be dfa'd right now, but for some reason i just wouldnt be surprised if that doesnt happen
at this point, how could reyes possibly be any worse? i dont think it is possible
i also would like to see jimenez sent out, but who should replace him? dove and falkenborg have both been up and failed already, i dont think percival will be ready for at least a week or more, so what does that leave, should they try perez now? he couldnt be any worse
i have to say as well, a game like this makes it so hard to have any good feelings about the team, the offense did ok, but how often do u face elarton?
how sad is it to think that marquis, simontacchi, woody, even ponson could possibly all right now make our starting rotation better?"
a few things to add, i think larrys analogy to the car(great stereo vs bad motor) is a very good one in this case, as he said, if the rotation were doing even a half ass job, ladunc would have an excuse to leave franklin in the setup, but with the way things are going, we dont need a setup man, because there are no leads to get to the ninth because of the starters
also about big z, if we could somehow get him, i would love it, i am not saying i like him now, but that is just because he is a cub, if u put him in st louis with pujols and yadi for support, i really think he would dominate
one other small thought, as bad as mulder was when hurt last year, was it any worse than kip right now? and the man's arm was about to fall off
by bigcardsfan5 on Jun 15, 2007 12:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Simontacchi
by paCardsFan on Jun 15, 2007 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one gave up on Haren
by cardsgirl95 on Jun 15, 2007 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Today's Haiku!
maybe one that got away
release kip wells please
by bukowski on Jun 15, 2007 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Minority Opinion
I was at the last game he won. I've seen him pitch well, dammit.
by liam on Jun 15, 2007 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Da Rotation
I'm as disapointed as anyone about Wells; he's been awful. But I don't agree that it's time to swap him for Franklin in the rotation. Franklin is florishing in his present role, and he has no history of florishing as a starter. He seems fine just where he is. Wells, it seems to me, has vastly better stuff. That obviously hasn't translated in results, but we owe this guy 2.5 mil. Give him two or three more starts - if he continues to pitch poorly, bye bye. Meanwhile, get that now more confident Reyes back here, drop J man to AAA and either Welly or Thomp to bloster the pen.
LaRussa and Duncan are a little pig headed at times, but their track record speaks for itself. I'm sorry, but the Wells - Marquis dog won't hunt. The Cardinal rotations, then and now, are hugely different; as are Wells talent and Marquis. I would harken back to advice given here some time ago, but since discarded - just enjoy the season, root for the Birds and see how the thing plays out. Let LaRussa and Duncan do the deep thinking - Deweydell
by deweydell on Jun 15, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Last 30 days
On the good side of things it looks like Wagonmaker has turned the corner.
As for the other starters. Ick. We have two starters who have Walked more than they K'd. That's no good...and can someone tell me why Jimenez gets the innings and appearances to give up 22 runs in 12 innings?!? Really. Can LaDunc just tell us what it will take to bring up Reyes, not start Wells (I agree that he would be perfect to take Jimenez's spot) and be ride of Jimenez.
by Harknights on Jun 15, 2007 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why send Wells to the rotation?
We might as well just release him and declare the Kip Wells era over. It's time to bring up Reyes.
by aet15 on Jun 15, 2007 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
His problem is command more than sheer stuff
by Valatan on Jun 15, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah
I guess he could be a decent innings eater. And in order to make room for Reyes, we could probably afford to send down Jiminez.
by aet15 on Jun 15, 2007 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry, an alternate solution
by gibbons on Jun 15, 2007 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Of course they are.....
by jillsinmo on Jun 15, 2007 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wells' philosophy
by wildman on Jun 15, 2007 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Check the Diaries for a Carpenter update
by Hardcore Legend on Jun 15, 2007 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did anyone see
by Dave0585 on Jun 15, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he was depressed as usual
i feel really bad for KIPPY. because unlike betty last year, KIPPY actually cares about the Cards and his performace. he's doing his best to win. and it's just not happening. what's worse is he's one of the "good guys" in baseball. that's why Tony & Dave are having such a hard time desiding what to do with him. not only was he their guy like Larry pointed out this morning. he's a great teammate, and a better person. i dont care what us fans think or say, no one is having a worse time than KIPPY, Tony & Dave dealing with KIPPY's failures this season than they are. they are the ones personally invested in his success, and not only is he not a success, he's one of the biggest pitching failures in the history of baseball.
there is no easy fix or answer. cutting KIPPY lose, sending him to Memphis,the bullpen or to africa. the Cards still are the worst pitching staff in the history of baseball as the defending world series champion. they needed KIPPY to be a success, and now that he's not. what do they do? Walt wont make a trade, even if he could find a willing team, he's wont ever part with prospects to win now like he did with Danny. and no matter what you say, there is no easy answer. we fans quickly forget that the athlete's we pull for are people too. and when they fail, especially as badly as KIPPY has failed, it's important to keep in mind he's a person too. he's hurting too, and a family to care for.
I got a bad feeling going into tonights game. Danny has a great chance to no hit the Cards. it's another revenge game. and after the beating they took last night, and the looks on their faces during and after the game. every thing is going against them. the A's are an awesome, awesome team. and Danny's been dealing all season long. he really could no hit them tonight. in fact, i'm expecting him too.
by gdm426 on Jun 15, 2007 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's making
by aet15 on Jun 15, 2007 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the A's are NOT an awesome team...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Jun 15, 2007 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what i was talking about
as far as wells making $4Mil this season, yes, he is. but does anythink he'll ever make close to that ever again? yes the flubs gave betty $21Mil. but KIPPY's been far worse. that very well could be his last major league contract.
by gdm426 on Jun 15, 2007 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ever again?..
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