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letter from luhnow

for the second time in two months, cardinal player-development chief jeff luhnow agreed to answer some questions for us via e-mail. (the first Q+A is right here, if you want to look back.) i'm particularly appreciative that jeff took the time to answer these questions during one of his busiest times of the year --- right before the amateur draft, which takes place over two days next week. he e-mailed his answers to me over the weekend, but i didn't want to run them during the holiday. here they are, unabridged --- thank you, jeff, for the very thoughtful and info-packed set of responses:

How many players will you have seen scouting reports on by draft day? Of that total, how many will have been evaluated in-person by a Cardinal scout, and how many will be evaluated remotely (ie, by statistics / video)?
I don't know the exact number, but it will be north of 750 players that we will have turned in for draft day. All of these players have been evaluated in person by at least one of our scouts and met with an area scout. We will have over 2,000 reports for this draft from our scouting staff.

How do you organize this mass of information into some semblance of a ranked list for draft day? Are players prioritized by position? By grade? Some other factor(s)?
Great question. Every club has a different way of organizing their draft board and ranking the players, but I'm sure there are some common elements. Early in the draft, the players are ranked in order of preference. At some point, the players are organized by position, to facilitate filling out rosters. We spend hours . . . actually days, thinking about the ranking process and putting the players in order. It is part science and part art, and it is critical to having a good draft.

Does a player's level of maturity / character factor into the evaluation process? If so, how is that information gathered?
Absolutely. Our scouts meet in person with the players, usually multiple times, both before and during the season. Many of these players we have known as underclassmen and have followed for more than one year. We have several workouts in the weeks leading up to the draft, and that provides many of us, myself included, an opportunity to sit down and talk to the players and get to know them better. We also watch them carefully on the field before, during, and after the game to gather clues about their maturity and character. All of that information is discussed in detail when we meet as a group and is included in our reports.

Do you draft the "best talent" no matter the position, or does the structure of the big-league club get taken into consideration? For example, a player who is limited to first base defensively might not have much future in St. Louis, even if he has a monster bat.
Tough question. First of all, it's hard to say with absolute certainty that we don't need a particular position. We all know that injuries, declining performance, and trades are a reality of today's game. Having said that, we also know who is signed and for what length of time, and that has to factor into the decisions. Also, it's important to look at the depth in our organization by position to make sure we have a good balance at all levels. The first base discussion comes up frequently in our group, not only because we have a superstar there who is signed for many more years, but because it is a position already on one side of the defensive spectrum, and thus the offensive requirements are much higher than at other positions. NL clubs don't have the DH fallback for some of these great bats but questionable fielders that seem to be there every draft.

Is there any emphasis on drafting players from the St. Louis / Midwestern region? Ie, players who might be familiar with the Cardinal tradition and therefore easier to sign both now and in the future? If a player like Max Scherzer were available, would the Cardinals give extra weight to him because he pitched for Mizzou?
We like drafting and signing players who are from the area, and also players who are Cardinal fans. I don't think it makes the signing any easier or cheaper. In general, most of the prospects have tremendous respect for our organization, and they want to join an organization that wins consistently, so that works to our advantage. We have known Scherzer since his high school days, of course, and we continue to follow him and have interest. [The Cardinals drafted Scherzer out of Parkway Central in the 43d round of the 2003 draft, but he chose to play for Missouri --- smart move, as the kid is now a first-rounder. --- LB]

Have the Cardinals, or any other organization, attempted to incorporate sabermetrics into projections of high school players' ceiling? If so, what stat(s) are measured, and how can you accurately account for the quality of competition at that level?
We gather all the information we can about how a high school player has performed, not only this year but also last year and during the summer. There are clues in there that we find important to assessing the player. We do not go to the same extent that we do college players, though, because the data is much more unreliable and there is simply not enough of it. The general rule of thumb is that high school players had better put up impressive numbers, as most big-league players had eye-popping numbers at that level.

How was the 8-man rotation at Quad Cities presented to the eight guys involved? Did anybody have a problem with it? Was any "selling" of the idea necessary?
Our pitching coordinator and pitching coach introduced the idea to the players and explained the reasons why we were doing it. I'm sure some of the guys would have preferred to be in a traditional 5-man rotation, but I'm also sure the three guys who would have been left out were delighted to get a chance.

If one or more of the 8 guys gets promoted, demoted, or injured during the season, will the 8-man structure be maintained via promotions from lower levels, or from the bullpen? Or is it possible that personnel decisions might lead QC to revert to the more traditional 5-man rotation?
Not "if" but "when" is probably more realistic. So far, we have been very fortunate and all the pitchers have both done well and been healthy. That was the goal. We will continue to be open-minded and evaluate the situation, but at this point there is no reason to change it. I'm sure one or more of the tandem starters will move up to Palm Beach this year, but no timetable has been set yet. We stress to them that it's more important to do well at the current level than to worry about being at the next level. If they perform, they will get an opportunity.

Derrick Goold wrote an article last week suggesting that the 8-man might be implemented at short-season A and in Rookie ball. Will that depend in part on personnel, or has it already been decided to go that route?
We started the tandem system in the VSL [Venezuelan Summer League] already and are planning to do it in the DSL [Dominican Summer League], too. It looks like we will have enough starting pitchers that need innings at both the GCL [Gulf Coast League] and Johnson City level, so I'd say at this point that could happen. The Batavia club [short-season A] will be primarily filled by the draft, so it's too early to say.

The 8-man rotation is a clear point of difference that sets the Cards' development program apart from other clubs. Are there any other clear points of difference about the way the Cardinals evaluate, draft and develop talent?
There are many ways that we are different and many ways that we are alike. The 8-man rotation is actually used by several organizations . . . we didn't invent it. Like that Geico ad with the gecko talking about the company's strategy, it does not make sense to share your secrets in a public place!

Looking over the farm system, are any Cardinal prospects making better progress than the early-season stats would suggest? Who are those guys, and what "hidden" factors might indicate that improvement is taking place, even if it's not apparent in the stat sheet?
Good question. I'm assuming your readers already know about the years that Allan Craig, Mark Hamilton, Brandon Buckman, PJ Walters, Luke Gregerson, Adam Ottavino, and others are having. Their performance numbers tell the story. Some guys that might not have great numbers but who are making progress are Parisi, Cooper, Zuercher, Webber, and others who have moved up a level, struggled initially, but are learning to perform at the higher level. That's what it's all about. As far as position players go, I'd put Greene, Robinson, Southard, and Martinez in that category as well. We get reports from the coaches every day after the game and then bi-monthly summaries of their progress, and those are often times more telling than the statistics.

Why do organizations sometimes move their best-hitting middle infielders (e.g. --- 2005 Travis Hanson, 2006 Brandon Wood) from SS/2B to 3B/1B? Wouldn't their value be higher at positions that are traditionally weaker offensively? Also, I've heard Allan Craig may be moving to 1B --- is that true? If so, what becomes of the incumbent 1B on Craig's team, Mark Hamilton?
If we think someone can play a premium defensive position in the big leagues, we leave them there, unless you have two guys at the same position at the same level --- then one of them has to move to get playing time. Often times, the best hitters, especially those with power, are bigger and stronger, and that may limit their ability to get good jumps and cover ground like a shortstop or centerfielder needs to do. Craig has impressed us with his bat both last year and this year, but he also has improved defensively and we don't know what his position will be down the road. He must have worked out a lot during the offseason, because he came into camp in great shape. I wish all the players would do that! For now he will stay at third base, and Hamilton will stay at first.

What do you look for when considering whether a prospect is ready to advance to the next level of the farm system?
We look at the numbers, like you do, but we also look at how he is generating those numbers. Our staff makes a determination about his chances of having success at the next level. Each level is more difficult to master. At the end of the day, though, you really don't know until you send the player up a level and let him play. Who knew Sean Danielson, a player who went undrafted and was signed after the [2004] draft, would get to AA this season and produce results so quickly? He went to fill a need and took advantage of the opportunity.

Before too long, the major-league team will need replacements for our aging team anchors at 3B, CF, ace, and closer. Are replacements at these four positions already in the system --- guys who project as above-average major-league players --- or have these players yet to be drafted?
The true answer is probably both. For 3B, the players with the highest major league upside are on the younger side --- Wilmer Alvarado and Casey Mulligan --- but we don't want to rule out Craig and Hansen being able to make it there. There are some good 3Bs in this year's draft. In CF, we have a number of players who could ultimately end up there --- Rasmus, Jay, Robinson, Jones, Rapaport, and some of the younger players. Ace --- long list of possibilities: McCormick, Ottavino, Boggs, Garcia, Daley, and others. Closer --- Perez, Gregerson, Maiques, Worrell, Dove, Motte. With all of these it's so hard to tell what will happen, but they all have a chance if they continue to develop and ultimately get an opportunity.

One of the Cardinals' more productive scouts, Joe Almaraz, will be managing at Johnson City this year. Does that mean he had to give up his scouting duties, or will he serve in both capacities? Why was he chosen for this post?
Joe will continue to scout and coach. He has coached both of the last two years at Johnson City; the only difference this year is that he will be managing the club. He has managerial experience in rookie ball and is capable to helping the team win and developing the players. He is an outstanding baseball man who can wear many hats.

Is anybody performing well at extended spring training who we should keep an eye out for when the short-season leagues begin? Yes: Alvarado. Pham. Bolivar. Garcia. [Romulo] Ruiz. [Frederick] Parejo. Mitchell. Edwards. The list goes on. The difficult thing about evaluating a player's stats in extended spring training is that they don't get into a regular routine of playing every day, and the quality of the competition changes day to day. Some days you are facing big-league pitchers and hitters who are rehabbing, and other days you are facing young 17-year-old Latin players who have no professional experience but throw really hard. Our Latin pitchers have all been impressive, so it would be premature to single any out at this point.

Recent articles by Ken Rosenthal and Bernie Miklasz spoke of a sharp division in the Cardinal organization between the "sabermetric" and "old-school" wings. A lot of fans are very curious about that situation, which has been hinted at before. Did you read those articles, and do you have any response to them?
When the big-league team struggles, the fans and the media start to scrutinize all areas of the organization. That is to be expected, and anyone who has been in the game knows that will occur. I think we are doing a good job of integrating different perspectives and balancing the short-term and long-term. Every person has their own point of view about the value of player development, scouting, signing free agents, using statistics, etc . . . . that is natural and doesn't mean as an organization we can't find a balance that works. The track record speaks for itself... now we just need to focus on ensuring we can continue to deliver a winning team in St Louis for years to come.

How does someone without a baseball background get into baseball? How did you get your foot in the door, and how difficult was it?
It is hard but not impossible. There are many examples of people who didn't play the game who are in front offices. Most of our front office didn't play baseball beyond high school, so I am not alone there. I'm not going to mislead anyone and say that it's easy to get into baseball, but it is possible. As with any endeavor, it takes determination, sacrifice and some lucky breaks along the way. I got a chance because I had credentials and a track record from outside the game that someone believed would have some value to the Cardinals. Other people build their credentials in the game. Either way, diversity is good, and a variety of backgrounds and opinions can only make us all better.

Given Colby Rasmus's rapid adjustment to double A and Edmonds' struggles at the big-league level, might we see Colby at Memphis by late summer? In St. Louis at some point next summer?
It's too early to tell. Remember, it's only May; we still have three long months of minor league baseball up ahead. AA is not easy, even though Colby is making it look easy out of the gate. I think we will be patient with Colby, but I also think he will get a chance to play in the big leagues someday. Many players have made the jump from AA to the big leagues, so it's not a prerequisite that he spend a certain amount of time at AAA in order to be considered. His talent and the results will tell us when he's ready.

You've mentioned that you're a believer in Brandon Buckman --- what in particular impresses you about him?
How about a 1.000 OPS? Brandon is a run producer with big-time power, and he can field his position. He is a leader on the team and is a true competitor. He was a steal where we took him in last year's draft [the 19th round], and he will get a chance to move up at some point.

Can you give us the lowdown on Angel Rivera, the high school age Mexican outfielder who was signed this winter?
He prefers to be called Francisco and not Angel. Francisco has a bat and he is aggressive at the plate. He's the type of young player you know is going to hit. Joe Almaraz compared him to Matt Sulentic [the Athletics' 3d-round draft pick last season] when he saw him. Unfortunately, Francisco had an injury that required knee surgery, so he is currently on rehab. I am anxious for him to get healthy and get back into games.

Is Bryan Anderson a good enough athlete that he might be able to handle third base or a corner outfield spot? Does he project as a good enough hitter for those spots?
Bryan is a catcher, and that is where we want him to stay. He is a left-handed hitter with gap and over-the-fence power. There is no reason to move him, as he is playing a premium position, one that is harder to find than any other position --- especially with a bat.

Cody Haerther has been overshadowed by other outfielders' hot starts (e.g., Mather, Ankiel, Rasmus), but he's healthy again and off to a hot start of his own. Where does he fit into the outfield mix?
Haerther is a prospect and he will play full time in Springfield for the time being. He is finally 100% and started quickly. He is still young (a year younger than Mather), so we have time. He has a track record of hitting and I expect that to continue. [Alas, Haerther got injured again --- busted his hand on Sunday and will be out for at least 6 weeks. --- LB]

What's the biggest area of improvement needed in Jaime Garcia's game?
He needs to gain experience and learn how to get big league hitters out consistently. From my perspective, he has the stuff to pitch in the big leagues in the not-too-distant future. We give him innings and cross our fingers that he stays healthy. The rest will take care of itself. He's a bulldog who wants to be out there and wants to win every time. I wouldn't bet against him.

Which of the Cardinals' power relievers --- Dove, Perez, Motte, Maiques, Scherer, Gregerson --- is on the fastest track to the big leagues?
That's hard to say. They all have tools. Dove, Perez, and Motte all have plus plus fastballs. Perez, Maiquez, and Gregerson have advanced breaking balls. Scherer has an outpitch in his split-fingered fastball. I can't predict who will get there first and stick, but I'm sure glad we have them all.

A buddy of mine met Scott Vander Weg's father recently. His stats look pretty good at Palm Beach; what kind of reports are you getting on him?
Scott has helped the team in Palm Beach and done exactly what we hoped. 3 walks and 18 strikeouts in 21 innings is what I love to see!

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derrick goold's article about ottavino and the 2-seamer didn't appear until after i sent off the questions; i would have liked to hear jeff's reflections about that piece. some of nuggets i found most interesting from his answers:
  • re colby rasmus: "Many players have made the jump from AA to the big leagues, so it's not a prerequisite that he spend a certain amount of time at AAA in order to be considered."
  • re brandon buckman: "He is a leader on the team and is a true competitor."
  • re the question about extended spring training: over half the guys he named are products of the cards' two-year-old venezuelan scouting / development operation. sounds as if a number of them are ticketed for johnson city this year.
  • re bryan anderson: "Bryan is a catcher, and that is where we want him to stay. . . . There is no reason to move him." better keep hitting, yadi.
  • re the dynamics of the organization: "Every person has their own point of view about the value of player development, scouting, signing free agents, using statistics, etc." --- ie, yes there are differences of philosophy within the organization. luhnow seems to be characterizing this as creative tension --- a constructive dynamic --- rather than as something that's tearing the organization apart, and let's all hope this is really the case. the creative tension between, say, jefferson and hamilton, or between lennon and mccartney, produced some outstanding results. so in theory, the luhnow and la russa wings don't have to agree on every point in order to produce a fruitful collaboration. time will tell whether this can actually happen in practice . . . .

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Brian v. Bryan
Bryan Anderson is the catcher in the Cards' system, Brian Anderson is an outfielder in the White Sox system, right?

Either way, I really would like to find out more about the kid.  He skipped high A ball completely and is doing pretty well in Springfield.  (.281/.785)  He has five errors, though, so can he handle the defensive side?

by Phyrkrakr on May 29, 2007 9:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Almost forgot...
Thanks again for the great interviews, this is probably the primary reason I come to this site.

by Phyrkrakr on May 29, 2007 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

excellent catch on the brian / bryan typo
that's my error --- i'll fix it above

by lboros on May 29, 2007 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rasmus, oh man
I had a "moment" last night at the Springfield Cards game vs. San Antonio. Rasmus, who had hit a scorcher of a homer in the first inning, was up in the bottom of the ninth, two outs, Cards down by one.

He had a very calm at bat--took the count to 2-2 if I remember right, I don't have my scorecard in front of me. I had this certainty that he was going to hit one out...I've only ever had that certainty with Pujols. He was just late on a fastball...crushed it to the third base side. Then I yelled, turn on one Colby, b/c you could tell the pitcher was in love with his fastball. And boy, did he. Tied it up in dramatic style (a 409 shot that, if it had had any arc on it at all might have gone farther with the wind blowing out.) Cards won it in the 10th...but that was secondary. Rasmus just became THE reason to stay interested in the Cardinals the next couple of years, even if Wellemeyer is our No. 2.

"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on May 29, 2007 9:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

great interview LB
when people criticize blogs, they should compare this to anything that has been written on espn.com or si.com in the past, well, ever.

I took his answer on whatever split there is in the organization to be a complete dodge; glad you have a more optimistic read

by tdawg on May 29, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks tdawg
re his answer on the organizational split, i thought it was interesting that he tacitly acknowledged the truth in those articles. he didn't say, "i have a great working relationship with all my colleagues, we're all friends," and he didn't say, "oh that's just ken rosenthal and bernie miklasz using anonymous sources to stir things up, there's nothing to it." that is, he didn't insult our intelligence. i think he said as much as he could say, politically --- but i appreciate that he didn't try to deny, obfuscate, or change the subject.

by lboros on May 29, 2007 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good question, too
Nice way to ask the question, too, LB.  Just the right way of presenting the situation and letting him respond however he saw appropriate.  

by raisin on May 29, 2007 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I take all reports of
"organizational splits" with a grain of salt, since so many people with no insider knowledge whatsoever seem to take it as a given, but ... if it's true, I'm happy about it.  I hope there are those in the org who recognize the crappiness of TLR's bench selections, the occasional weird attitudes about certain young players, etc.  If the org did NOT have some of that tension I would be very worried.

by MdRedbirdFreak on May 29, 2007 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great stuff...
alas no a mention of Trey Hearne this time. The move to Palm Beach has not treated him well.

by guayzimi on May 29, 2007 9:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3b
is very thin. wouldn't be surprised if the club took a few of them..there are some really gone ones available in todd frazier, kevin ahrens, matt dominguez, jon gilmore, etc...

i actually like the tandem starter thing. minimizes the innings on the young pitchers and allows for more pitching depth overall.

thanks for the q and a, LB

by erik on May 29, 2007 9:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if we tank this year....
and manage a top draft pick for next year, we could land Pedro Alvarez, who will most likely be the top 3b prospect in baseball in about 2 years.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on May 29, 2007 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

High School Saber question...
Thanks for throuwing it in.  It sounds like they have indicator stats that they are using for this.  I also wonder if they are coming up with ways to improve reliability of these stats.  He was very careful on a lot of these questions not to share too much information.  Jeff is a smarty pants...

by BigJawnMize on May 29, 2007 9:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Interview
Very interesting read. Thanks for posting.

Wonder what his take is on Ankiel. Obviously Rick is not a long term solution but it's great to see him performing well.

by paCardsFan on May 29, 2007 10:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent interview as usual
I'm first struck by the fact that he would respond to such a lengthy interview this close to the draft.  When you said you had an interview coming up, I expected him to answer just a few questions or provide terse responses.  Great stuff!

Intrigued by the Rasmus answer.  I expected him to answer that he would be at Springfield for this year and, god willing, he'd be able to be at Memphis next year.  He didn't.  That tells me they've given some thought to him advancing this year.

And I loved his answer to the Bryan Anderson question.  He should stay behind the plate for the reasons he mentioned.  And, you're dead on -- better keep hitting, Yadi!  By the time Anderson's ready, Yadi will be earning at least $5 - $6 million per year and approaching free agency.

by chuckb on May 29, 2007 10:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rasmus
Maybe Luhnow is thinking September callup this year, then straight to the big club at the start of next year if he looks like he is ready this September/08 spring training?

by mikedallas23 on May 29, 2007 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buckman
I got to have a short conversation with Buckman on Sunday and he seems like a good kid.  His swing seems like it could be a little long, but he does have good power. Also, even with the numbers he has put up, I think his glove may be better than his bat.  He is really smooth around the bag.

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by whiteyball on May 29, 2007 10:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Buckman
I had submitted a question for Luhnow about whether Buckman was a true prospect or a nonprospect too old for his league.  It was interesting, therefore to read the positive comments about him and the observation that he will be moving up.  Given his age (23 I believe) that should be soon.  He would seem to be blocked at Pam Beach, however, by Hamilton, if not by Craig.  I wonder if he might be jumped all the way to Springfield, where Ferris is continuing to prove he can't hit at any level-- and probably will be released soon-- and Mather has been returned to the outfield.  The other possibility, of course, would be to move Hamilton to Springfield, which would create a spot in Palm Beach for Buckman.

by MikeG on May 29, 2007 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bryan Anderson
Even if we locked up Yadi long term, wouldn't it be nice to have a left-handed hitting catcher who can rack as the backup?  Also, if we were to use Anderson as trade chip in the future, makes sense to leave the guy as a catcher as that is where he brings the highest value.

Everything Luhnow said makes sense ... which is very refreshing after years of watching / reading TLR interviews.

by jjray on May 29, 2007 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anderson
Saw him in Springfield last night, and while I don't have a ton of games to give me a deep perspective, the baseball-savvy dude in front of me correctly remarked that he didn't handle the pitchers very well. Didn't go out to talk to a rattled reliever when he should have after three straight walks, etc.

But the guy can mash, has a good arm and the Springfield press box people play a humorous mash-up of Hugo Weaving's "Mr. Anderson" scenes from The Matrix whenever he comes to bat.

"I don't believe what I just saw!" ~ Jack Buck

by itsalemmon1019 on May 29, 2007 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Game/Pitcher Management....
comes with experience. Lets not forget, he is still just 20 years old.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on May 29, 2007 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah - he's young
i remember this guy receiving the same criticism...
"Left-hander, right-hander, soft thrower, power guy, fastballs away, fastballs in-- [Albert Pujols] doesn't have any holes." - Tino Martinez

by _pistol_ on May 29, 2007 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hardball Times
Nice article about hitting prospects that includes Anderson.  However, I note that the article says it's including only players who were generally not considered among the organization's top five prospects.  Anderson surely was.  Nonetheless, glad to see Cardinal farmhands actually showing up on prospect reports.

by awpierce on May 29, 2007 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bennett is 35 this year
so I'd imagine BA is his probable replacement in 2009, if not sooner.  I could see Gary getting another one year deal if he wanted to keep playing for the Cards next season, then Anderson being the understudy in 09, similar to what Yadi did under Matheny in 2004.  

by Phyrkrakr on May 29, 2007 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well
Good interview Larry. This season shows us again why it is important to have a quality farm system.

Back to the Reyes issue for a moment, I can only figure two basic reasons for the demotion:

  1. LaDuncan had already expressed concern about the effects of the ERA and the Losses on Reyes' mental game. Maybe they are trying to prevent damage.
  2. LaDuncan are making a stand regarding the direction they want the organization to take, forcing Dewitt's hand regarding their future witht he club. LaRussa is a master at such games, but LaRussa is also manipulative and demoting Reyes to make a stand regarding his feelings about a rotation filled with youngsters wouldn't suprise me at all. Make Dewitt relent on the importance of a young core or make Dewitt can him because LaRussa won't get with the plan.

by JMedwick on May 29, 2007 11:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re point #2
that thought has crossed my mind as well --- and not only regarding reyes. remember a few years back when dusty baker was batting corey patterson leadoff (despite an obp in the .260 range), and he told reporters: "when the front office gets me a real leadoff man, i'll make a change." dusty and tony are cut from the same cloth in a lot of respects; your suggestion (ie, that somebody is trying to prove a point) is not implausible.

by lboros on May 29, 2007 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand
Dusty kept an underperforming player in the line-up.  LaRussa took him out.  The former is self-destructive; the latter, defensible.

Bottomline: Reyes wasn't performing.  Regardless of how you feel about LaRussa and his motives, there's no denying that basic fact.

So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on May 29, 2007 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the demotion is defensible
but the insistence on making reyes into a groundball pitcher is less so.

by lboros on May 29, 2007 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I think #2 is ridiculous
For all of the noise about TLR and veterans, here is the consistency that I have seen over his 30 years of managing. If there is a choice between having a veteran on the bench and a young guy getting ABs in the minors, he prefers having the young guy in the minors getting ABs, to get ready for the majors. Once in the majors, he has not hestitated to give the young guys a chance to prove themselves.

Albert, Yadi, and as of late Duncan are three prime examples.

Other examples of guys given at least a chance at the major league level in the last 5 years are guys like Bo Hart, John Rodriquez, Scott Seabol, Hector Luna. On the pitching side you have the Brad Thompsons, Tyler Johnsons, Josh Kinneys, etc--and I could name more.

After all, this is the same manager who chose to start Rick Ankiel in game 1 of the NLDS in 2000, or Bud Smith in an elimination game in 2001--or Anthony Reyes in Game 1 of the WS last year.

As opposed to Dusty. When the Cubs would have an injury to an infielder, they would sign another crappy infielder (Neifi and company). The Cards instead give a chance to Bo Hart.

As Larry pointed out last year, the number of rookies given 100 or more ABs in a season was higher than a lot of their competitors vying for the playoffs.

TLR doesn't like losing baseball games. Do you think he's going to toss them away to prove a point? What part of that is consistent with his personality?

The game last Friday was another frustrating one in the Reyes saga. The first inning he does a good job of locating his changeup, and gets a couple of strikeouts (as I remember--he at least struck out the last guy on a couple of beautiful changeups).

The second inning he Young and then leaves a changeup to Schneider that has "kill me" written all over it, and it's 2-0.

Jorge Sosa had/has a lot better fastball than Reyes, and last year when his fastball was up, it went a long, long way.

Dave

by Sydney dave on May 29, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think you're missing the point
this isn't about whether la russa will or won't give a rookie a chance --- that's a completely separate argument. this is about la russa's performance / demeanor all year long, and the performance / demeanor of the team. he has been unusually combative with the press and with his players; there have been more than the usual hints of an unhappy clubhouse, and the team has played sloppy ball all year, prone to mental errors and lackadaisical play.

la russa always gets much credit (deservedly) for his teams' intensity --- it's viewed, accurately, as a top-down phenomenon. but this year's team lacks the usual intensity, and that too might be a top-down phenomenon. it's not out of line to ask whether his heart's really in it.

by lboros on May 29, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that wasn't the point of the prior post
No, the team's performance isn't in line with what we have seen the past several years. You'd probably have to go back to 2003 for a comparative level (which at the time I theorized, rightly or wrongly, that it could have been related to the aftermath of the Darryl Kile death).

So, no it's not out of line to ask whether TLR's heart is in it this year. However, the prior post that I was responding to was suggesting that TLR was doing something intentionally as a "protest" (my wording) because of the move to use younger players. And I strongly disagree with that notion.

It's very tough for professional teams of all stripes to repeat. And that may be a primary cause of what we are seeing in 2007.

Dave

by Sydney dave on May 30, 2007 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone else
see this article absolutely prasing Sosa?

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070529&content_id=1992097&vkey=news_mlb&fext=. jsp&c_id=mlb

I give him until mid-June before he starts to flop.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 29, 2007 2:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe its just me,
but it seems that Jim Molony likes to write pieces that give a back-handed slap to the Cards.  Also noted the last item in the piece - that Craig Wilson signed a minor league contract w/ the White Sox yesterday.  

by cardsgirl95 on May 29, 2007 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a mirage
K rate is actually down, walk rate up, GB/FB rate down.  He just happens to be pitching in Shea so he's not setting a record pace for home runs given up.
Pujols < .300 (it worked for .200)

by joker24 on May 29, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great interview
Not a Cards fan, although a general baseball fan.  I love checking this site out as there's always a bunch of interesting things, such as this.

by toonsterwu on May 29, 2007 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone have any info on whether Rolen will
be playing tonight?  From his quotes and Tony's, he appears to be fine but was held out yesterday as a 'precaution'.  Will #27 be back in the hot corner tonight?
Interested in pre-1990 Cardinals games on tape

by Hardcore Legend on May 29, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic Interview
Incidentally, did anyone notice a new pair of names on the Quad Cities' Roster today? (Tommy Pham and Wilmer Alvarado, both mentioned by Luhnow as promising young players were promoted from extended ST to the Swing.)

Checking that, I was slightly disappointed to learn that our Farm's official Man of Mystery, Omar Falcon, was released last week and picked up by Pittsburgh's low-A affiliate.

by liam on May 29, 2007 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Alvarado
Luhnow implied that he's a third base prospect, but milb.com lists him as a catcher.

by liam on May 29, 2007 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

milb.com
should almost never be trusted for position information.  i'm not sure about alvarado specifically, but after coming through it for FR, I've found it unreliable.

Falcon was probably release because he allowed 8 SB in a single game

by azruavatar on May 29, 2007 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unreal!
Looking at that game's log, there were only 4 situations where there was a runner at first with second open in which the runner didn't steal second!

Runner was out on a double play.
Runner advanced on a wild pitch.
Runner scored on a home run.
Runner was caught stealing.

After seeing that, I'm less surprised that he was cut than I am finding out that Pittsburgh thought he'd be a good fit in their farm system.

by liam on May 29, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

8 man rotation question
While I love baseball, I am not expert by any means but I have some questions about this 8 man rotation.

While the "starting" rotation has the 4 best ERA in the Midwest League, what does that really mean? Starting pitchers are facing single A lineup. Starting pitchers are basically only pitching through the lineup one time. And they're not pitching a lot of innings. How does any of that prepare them for pitching at the big league level?

Personally, I think it skews the stats and makes them look better than they. Maybe that's just me.

Anyone else have any thoughts on it?

by JShell73 on May 29, 2007 4:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just wanted to say
great read.  in the midst of a pitiful start to this season, it's nice to read about things we can look forward to.
Acquire some runs!

by madding on May 29, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who else uses the 8-man rotation?
Who else uses the 8 man rotation in the minor leagues? If the Twins, A's, or Braves do it, then we should. Heck, its worked out for them...

by TNFan32 on May 29, 2007 5:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a good sign...
Via Matthew Leach, there was an ice storm in Denver and the outfield is covered with ice.

Too bad we can't play Kerry Robinson out there in hockey skates.

by liam on May 29, 2007 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

actually, a hailstorm
i live a mile from the ballpark --- all the hail has melted, but it's very sloppy out there, and more rain is predicted.

by lboros on May 29, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice interview
thanks boss. that's why this is the best blog out there.

interesting answer he gave on the inner office "fighting" between the older schooler's and the newer schooler's plan for the orgination. he didn't come out and deny it, and in fact according to me gave us fans a clear hint at what the future holds for the Cards. Jeff knows he's going to be running the Cards soon, maybe sooner than we all might think. he gave a very politicaly correct answer, but if you read between the lines, he knows he'll be in charge soon. get ready Cards fans, changes are just around the corner.

I took the weekend off following every ones fave team for the most part, had some family visiting dad. but did catch part of the game yesterday. didn't like anything I saw. the line up was a joke. KIPPY didn't have jack in the later innings. why was he left in so long?? I only caught a few at bats, but the O still looks lost. not a good game to start off this road trip.

the word of the year is still UGH.

The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on May 29, 2007 5:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bravo on the interview, lboros
This kind of reading makes for interesting days amidst a tough season.

Thanks to Luhnow for taking the time.  I think it says a lot about him that he'd take the time to do it.

I obviously want to see us win some games, but with us struggling for "W's" the draft seems a whole lot more important this year.  Here's to snagging some serious talent!

by wildman on May 29, 2007 6:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stupid work...
decided to install a firewall today.  Beepers.  

Anywhow, no one mentioned this, but thanks Larry for taking a lot of our questions and asking them.  That's mighty kind of you.  My favorite college professor used to say in high level seminar classes that he was just the chair among equals, meaning that we should feel free to challenge his opinions and insights and that all of us held equal shares in the class.  I like to think you view this blog like that and only have to "chair" when it becomes necessary.  

A ton of cryptic, but thoughtful, answers that we can spend days pouring over.  

by Brock20 on May 29, 2007 7:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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