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Game Fourty Three Open Thread--23 May 2007

Woody_guthrie_tiny by Valatan on in News

Snell

Kippers

4-2, 2.76

1-8, 6.75

Putting up the game thread a little early today--I have some yard work to do, and might not be back in time to actually have this up before first pitch.

If you're looking for some pregame entertainment, check out this fjm post, one of the funniest I've read in a while.  

We've got yet another good ol' matchup against the Buccos, thanks to our lovely unbalanced schedule.     First, does this count as a 'revenge game', thanks to Wells' former prominence with the Pirates?  Second, how long do you think Ian Snell can keep up his current pace?  His peripherals look decent, but not spectacular like his 2.76 ERA.  This will, at least, be a test of the newly resurgent offense.  

Not to mention a test of the disastrous recent stretch of pitching by Kip H. "Kippersley" Wells.

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Interesting...
Joe Strauss chat...

Two things jump out:

First, that fake knee injury to PW will likely require surgery and might end his career. Sorry for questioning you on that one PW...

Second, in a comment that I believe many commentators on this blog would agree with, Tom Bannister34 declares that one Albert Pujols every seven years is not enough. The farm system has to produce better... That got me thinking, if all your system did was produce one Pujols every seven years and nothing else - you had to comb the waiver wire and the indy leagues for bench players and fill ins - wouldn't you have the best farm system in baseball? I think you would...

by guayzimi on May 23, 2007 5:39 PM EDT   0 recs

The hard part about that comment
Is that he may have been saying that we need to produce more than one real "star" every seven years. Using Pujols as the example is unfair, as someone like him only shows up once every few decades. When you start thinking about players produced by the Cardinals system in the last 10 years, the first two players that come to mind that were anywhere even close to Pujols were Drew and Ankiel.

Hmm, let's see, Drew, do I even want to bring on the flame war that would crop up if I used him as the example? There are few fans that don't hold on to at least some sort of disdain for his career with St. Louis and beyond.

Ankiel? The guy that should have been unhittable? The guy that gave up on his talent? (/sarcasm) All of the sidebars and diatribes that would pop up if he was suggested would make this kind of discussion impossible.

Guys that came before these two aren't really pertinent to the conversation and everybody that has come since are either well short of star status or too early to be truly defined as such.

I do think that the Cardinals as an organization need to do a better job at producing All-Star level talent. Hell, anybody decent that can get to the majors before their 27th bithday. (The last bit was a bit of an exaggeration, but they can still do better than they have been.)

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on May 23, 2007 6:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Haren, Polanco, Reyes, Wainwright, Duncan
Matt Morris, and I know I'm missing a few.  Reyes, Duncan and Wainwright are clearly too young to determine where they're going to end up.  but the other three have been valuable major leaguers for the majority of their careers.  Throwing Pujols and Drew on top, and I think you can say that the farm system has done pretty well.

The main complaint is that, outside of Drew and Ankiel, they've never had a highly touted, sure-thing prospect.  But whatever.  Pujols has been better than every one of those sure-thing prospects in recent years, with the only possible exceptions being A-Rod and Griffey, Jr.

by Valatan on May 23, 2007 6:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Molina
Everybody off the bandwagon!

by Alxfritz on May 24, 2007 4:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Tom Bannister34 and
everyone else are spoiled. One Pujols every 10-15 years, much less 7, is a rarity, so expecting someone to be the next Albert is reaching, IMO.  The kid came out of nowhere and became an instant star. How often does that happen?

by cardsrul on May 23, 2007 6:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

How will
it go? Either Kip will be fired up to beat his old team or he will fold like a beat dog. Here's hoping for the former!! C'mon Kip, show us that vaunted "stuff" you supposedly have. GO BIRDS!!

by rockin redbird on May 23, 2007 6:11 PM EDT   0 recs

If Robert Wells tonight
has command, he'll be unhittable.  If he continues to be a guy just throwing junk towards the plate, hoping it lands between the two batter's boxes, we're going to need the new offense to put a 10-spot on the board.
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 23, 2007 6:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Tonight's lineup according to Bernie

eckstein
duncan
pujols
juan E
rolen
edmonds
bennett
kennedy
wells

bautista
duffy
sanchez
laroche
bay
dummit
nady

Notes from Bernie: Bennett catching to give Wells a "different look..."; Franklin unavailable (strep throat).

wilson
snell

by nycardfan on May 23, 2007 6:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Yadi also took a bit of a beating
last night behind the plate.  I remember thinking to myself that he'd more than likely get tomorrow off.

Is Juan batting 4th 'just because' or is there a legit reason?

We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 23, 2007 6:25 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Lineup redacted!
eckstein
duncan
pujols
juan E
rolen
edmonds
bennett
kennedy
wells

bautista
duffy
sanchez
laroche
bay
dummit
nady
wilson
snell

Notes from Bernie: Bennett catching to give Wells a "different look..."; Franklin unavailable (strep throat).

Molina would pinch hit only in an emergency; La Russa says Yaddy needs a rest.

Franklin unavailable (strep throat)

by nycardfan on May 23, 2007 6:24 PM EDT   0 recs

already posted
but thanks anyway, couldn't hurt to have two
RIP: Jack Buck, DK57 & JH32

by gibbons on May 23, 2007 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Browsing other MLBBlogs
I think we number crunch the most. Hoorah for geek fans! Horrah beer!
RIP: Jack Buck, DK57 & JH32

by gibbons on May 23, 2007 7:27 PM EDT   0 recs

*Smart fans
Pujols < .300 (it worked for .200)

by joker24 on May 23, 2007 8:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

indeed
RIP: Jack Buck, DK57 & JH32

by gibbons on May 23, 2007 10:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

nice pick scotty
if only he could hit as well as he plays the field.
The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on May 23, 2007 8:14 PM EDT   0 recs

WOW
way to start things off right LITTLE FELLA!!
The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on May 23, 2007 8:20 PM EDT   0 recs

that was BEAUTIFUL
awesome gap hit Albert. you're coming around nicely.
The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on May 23, 2007 8:22 PM EDT   0 recs

wasn't it?
i was worried, after the way the first two breaking pitches snuck in there...
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 23, 2007 8:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yay offense
Curse you Endy!!!!!

by boisebird on May 23, 2007 8:22 PM EDT   0 recs

WOW
duffy taking one away from Juan. that will be a web gem for sure.
The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on May 23, 2007 8:23 PM EDT   0 recs

Dang!
Curse you, Chris Duffy.

by cardsgirl95 on May 23, 2007 8:25 PM EDT   0 recs

yikes
just a bit outside and low, dontcha think?

by stlcardinalsfang on May 23, 2007 8:25 PM EDT   0 recs

another weak pop up by scotty
well at least it looks like the rest of the line up can hit snell.
The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on May 23, 2007 8:26 PM EDT   0 recs

nice job
Duffy
We aren't very good.

by Hardcore Legend on May 23, 2007 8:26 PM EDT   0 recs

I think this is possibly
the offense we've been searching for all year :)
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on May 23, 2007 8:27 PM EDT   0 recs

Mike Shannon...
Having a little fun at the fact that Scott will never swing on a 3-0 pitch.

To paraphrase:  "Write in folks - anyone's who has ever seen him do it.  Anybody in Indiana?"

Gameday can suck, but I don't think I'll trade in listening to my games on the radio.

by cardsgirlinAR on May 23, 2007 8:29 PM EDT   0 recs

i love watching
chris duncan catch routine fly balls...
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 23, 2007 8:30 PM EDT   0 recs

ack
jinxed him.
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 23, 2007 8:31 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Scotty Pop Up
Why can't someone fix Rolen's problems?  The guy obviously needs some help.

by RedByrd on May 23, 2007 8:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Big zone
tonight.

by stltrav09 on May 23, 2007 8:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Chris D.
is getting a workout in left field tonight.

by cardsgirl95 on May 23, 2007 8:32 PM EDT   0 recs

Nice job Kippy
Way to strand him.

by stltrav09 on May 23, 2007 8:33 PM EDT   0 recs

hello jimmy!
he pulled that one about three home runs' worth

by DanUpBaby on May 23, 2007 8:36 PM EDT   0 recs

i must be dreaming
that was really something, wasn't it?
Don't Panic!!!

by SleepyCA on May 23, 2007 8:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

JIMMY!!!!!

by cardsgirlinAR on May 23, 2007 8:36 PM EDT   0 recs

JIMMMYYY!!!!
okay- he's a leader, and he just pounded one.  glad we kept him!
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines

by RosevilleRedbird on May 23, 2007 8:36 PM EDT   0 recs

is it bad that
i was more surprised by jimmy's homer than eck's?
Curse you Endy!!!!!

by boisebird on May 23, 2007 8:36 PM EDT   0 recs

CRUSHED!
That's the Jimmy we all know and love!

by stltrav09 on May 23, 2007 8:37 PM EDT   0 recs

Jimmy simply LAUNCHED that one
There is some power for you.

by cardsgirl95 on May 23, 2007 8:37 PM EDT   0 recs

I return from vacation
And I'm treated to Wednesday night Home Run Derby!  It helps we're playing the Buccos, but who cares?

by ColinMacLeod on May 23, 2007 8:37 PM EDT   0 recs

Jimmy!
THAT's a spicy meatball!

by mikedallas23 on May 23, 2007 8:37 PM EDT   0 recs

My TV is broke
It shows STL up 2.

by saladdin69 on May 23, 2007 8:43 PM EDT   0 recs

and apprently mine is too
did edmonds hit a home run on your's also?

by stlcardinalsfang on May 23, 2007 8:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure did
But it showed it was his 2nd this year.
That can't be right.

by saladdin69 on May 23, 2007 8:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh Baby!
Kipper and his wife had their first child this week.  I'm liking how fatherhood is treating him.

by cardsgirlinAR on May 23, 2007 8:49 PM EDT   0 recs

Pavano's arm fell off.
Tommy John in 5,4,3,2,1...Blast Off.
Way to spend that money George.

by saladdin69 on May 23, 2007 8:52 PM EDT   0 recs

dang it Dunk
stop trying to pull that crap! go to left!
The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on May 23, 2007 8:56 PM EDT   0 recs

Snell
seems to be settling down the second time through the order.  Glad we got on the board early.  

by cardsgirl95 on May 23, 2007 8:58 PM EDT   0 recs

he only threw one fastball that inning
it was the first pitch to ECK. rest of his pitches were sliders/cures. if the boys don't lay off the junk, they probably won't get another hit off of him tonight.
The 2007 St.Louis Cardinals. Not Your Father's 04-05 Cardinals. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on May 23, 2007 9:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well this is encouraging.
now kip'll screw up cuz he's gettin some hopes up.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 23, 2007 9:07 PM EDT   0 recs

I love that Rolen and Yadi
traded batting averages this season. I wonder who will swap next year?
Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on May 23, 2007 9:10 PM EDT   0 recs

wainwright and edmonds
not that it will make a difference.

by stlcardinalsfang on May 23, 2007 9:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's the answer.
Full throttle fury slush.

by saladdin69 on May 23, 2007 9:13 PM EDT   0 recs

Fatherhood must agree with Kipper
This is his best start in approximately forever.
Sparks of Dementia Still Demented.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on May 23, 2007 9:24 PM EDT   0 recs

0 runs in 5 innings, now a hit...
..I'm expecting the sun to rise in the west tomorrow

by Ignatius J Reilly on May 23, 2007 9:27 PM EDT   0 recs

crrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
rrrrrushed!
Larry Walker for hitting coach!

by effin fisk on May 23, 2007 9:29 PM EDT   0 recs

home run bonanza!
Chris Duncan has a vicious swing.

by DanUpBaby on May 23, 2007 9:29 PM EDT   0 recs

Alright Duncan!
Came home at just the right time! Way to go.

by davethebutcher on May 23, 2007 9:30 PM EDT   0 recs

what did baseballs
do to Chris Duncan when he was a child? When he swings he wants to destroy the ball.
"If I managed the Cubs, I'd be an Alcoholic." - Whitey Herzog

by cyko42 on May 23, 2007 9:33 PM EDT   0 recs

I think it's the
Full throttle fury slush.

by saladdin69 on May 23, 2007 9:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

nm
i think i figured it out
"If I managed the Cubs, I'd be an Alcoholic." - Whitey Herzog

by cyko42 on May 23, 2007 9:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Guys...........................
I need 4 tickets to the LAA game on the 10th of June.

What or how would be the best route for us to take in getting tickets.  We wanted tickets to Homers Landing for the buffet and free beer but I hear that is sold out for the year.

We are all in Springfield, MO.  

Any help would be appreciated guys.  Thanks!

by Pujols for MVP on May 23, 2007 9:35 PM EDT   0 recs

craig's list
ebay or stubhub.
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 23, 2007 9:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Is it just me?
Or do the Red Sox and the Yankees play each other every day?
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 23, 2007 9:52 PM EDT   0 recs

Tony
is asking for trouble keeping Wells in right now.  He's been great!  Let the pen take over before he blows a great performance!

by stltrav09 on May 23, 2007 10:03 PM EDT   0 recs

Why am I seeing
Yankees, Sox, INdians and Mets memorabeliaon MLB.TV commercial break?

Whaere are my Birdos?

by Zubin on May 23, 2007 10:11 PM EDT   0 recs

I'm guessing
everyone gets the same thing during game breaks.  So I suppose the fans of the other 24 teams are just as offended as we are.  

by cardsgirl95 on May 23, 2007 10:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't care
if there weren't TWO Red Sox items.

Pfft.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on May 23, 2007 10:21 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bravo Kipper!
Excellent job!

by stltrav09 on May 23, 2007 10:11 PM EDT   0 recs

I was excited to see an actual commercial
for about ten seconds before the Dick's blurb intruded again.  

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