Game 39 Open Thread: May 18, 2007
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the tiger pitcher tonight was Baseball America's college player of the year in 2006; he's left-handed, throws strikes, and doesn't give up the longball. i reckon the cards'll muster 4 hits off the kid . . . . . . well, they had a decent hitting game against southpaw randy wolf wednesday; maybe that broke the trend.
SB Nation's tiger blogger, ian casselberry of Bless You Boys, traded questions / answers with me today about the states of our respective teams. for my answers to ian's questions, head on over to BYB at this link. here's what ian had to say about the tigers:
1. What are your biggest concerns about the Tigers right now?
The bullpen was a concern before Joel Zumaya's middle finger blew out, but now it just seems riddled with question marks. Todd Jones, the so-called "roller coaster" has actually been the most consistent reliever. Fernando Rodney was a dependable eighth-inning set-up guy last season, but has been inconsistent so far. And the long relief has been almost explosively bad. On the few occasions that a Detroit starting pitcher hasn't done well, guys like Wilfredo Ledezma and Jason Grilli have only made it worse. So if some of the kids coming up from the minors like Andrew Miller and Zach Miner are impressive, they might take over those roles.
First base is also a problem. Sean Casey doesn't seem to be in danger of losing his job because Jim Leyland likes his glove and left-handed bat, but he's giving the Tigers virtually no production from that position. He's not hitting for power or average, and not driving in runs. Casey's a really popular clubhouse guy, but if he's still not giving the lineup anything by July, it's hard for me to imagine that the Tigers won't try to upgrade that position.
2. Did any of the Tigers appear to suffer from a postseason "hangover" effect? If so, what snapped them out of it? If not, how do you think they avoided that trap?
I don't think the Tigers had to fight through a postseason hangover because they know that they ultimately didn't win anything last season. Obviously, they improved tremendously and making the playoffs was a huge accomplishment. But they didn't win the AL Central division (even worse, they let it slip away on the last weekend of the season), and lost the World Series to the Cardinals in a rather embarrassing fashion. They haven't run away from that. I think the entire team realizes they let an opportunity slip away, yet see enough room for improvement in virtually every area to keep them sharp.
3. One of the Tigers' biggest strengths from last year, the bullpen, is a bit of a mess so far this year. What's going on?
With the middle relievers, I think it's been primarily an issue with mechanics and injury. Rodney denied being hurt early in the season, though his difficulties with location said otherwise. But Chuck Hernandez, the Tigers' pitching coach, thought Rodney's mechanics were off and helped straighten them out. Since then, he's been pretty close to what he was last year, though I think he still makes Tigers fans nervous right now. He's already given up half as many home runs (3) as he did all of last season. And even before Zumaya got hurt, he wasn't reaching 100 m.p.h. on the radar gun, and that seemed to get in his head a little bit.
4. The bullpen's struggling, and Kenny Rogers hasn't thrown a pitch ---- yet the Tigers are in first place. How are they managing to do that, and do you think they can keep it up indefinitely?
The starting pitching has been outstanding, and has kept them in virtually every game. Even Chad Durbin, who most thought would be a poor replacement for Kenny Rogers, has pitched well. Most of the Tigers' losses have been due to the bullpen giving up the lead or the lineup not providing enough run support. So if the starters begin to falter - and injuries seem to be catching up with the rotation a bit - the hope is that the relievers and the hitters will pick up their performance. And with the weather warming up, the batting order has definitely helped the Tigers win some games.
5. The Tigers only made one off-season move of any consequence, adding Gary Sheffield. Has he made the impact you hoped he would?
Not quite yet. Sheffield has recently shown signs of being the hitter everyone expected him to be, but it still seems like he might be trying too hard. I understand he wants to do his part, but it's not like the fans or media are putting added pressure on him, so it's a little bit strange. He's drawing a lot of walks, which shows that he's patient, but there have been several times when he swings so hard trying to drive in a run or knock the ball out of the park that he ends up looking kind of foolish when he misses. (But maybe he's always done that; this is the first time I've been able to watch him game after game.)
However, even while his average is still in the .200s, I think Sheffield's presence still helps the lineup. He's still getting on base, and is a much better, smarter baserunner than I realized, which helps his teammates get better pitches to hit. And I think he's also provided some veteran tutelage to younger players like Craig Monroe. Despite all that, of course, we'd all like to see him hit a lot more.
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Very similar to Bucs Dugout
by Solanus on
May 18, 2007 5:45 PM EDT
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actually, according to strike 2
by erik on
May 18, 2007 6:24 PM EDT
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What is strike 2?
by Mr Redbird on
May 18, 2007 6:29 PM EDT
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here's the address
by erik on
May 18, 2007 6:36 PM EDT
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Via Matt Leach's blog
Duncan as DH
Ludwick in Left
Gooch in CF
Enc RF - batting cleanup?
by enoscountry on
May 18, 2007 6:13 PM EDT
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question
by erik on
May 18, 2007 6:18 PM EDT
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Even more sickening...
I'm beginning to think he's not going to turn this around...
by guayzimi on
May 18, 2007 6:22 PM EDT
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i'd like to see what he'd do
by erik on
May 18, 2007 6:25 PM EDT
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Edmonds has become a different creature
He is running better on the basepaths and appears to be taking better routes to the ball.
I'd like to see this 'healthy' version of Jim Edmonds get to hit against lefties.
Lord knows I'd prefer that over continuly seeing JuanEnc beat out infield singles.
What I also would have liked to see, although it would have been a defensive liability is this lineup:
Eck - SS
Duncan - LF
Pujols - DH
Edmonds - CF
Rolen - 3B
Ludwick - RF
Spiezio - 1B
Molina - C
Miles - 2B
give Pujols the days off before as Tony says 'that knee blows out'.
by Hardcore Legend on
May 18, 2007 6:57 PM EDT
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Yup
STL
Gooch CF
Dunc DH
Pujols 1B
Enc RF
Rolen 3B
Ludwick LF
Molina C
Miles 2B
Eck SS
DET
Granderson CF
Polanco 2B
Sheff DH
Ordonez RF
Guillen SS
Rodriguez C
Casey 1B
Monroe LF
Inge 3B
...via mlb.com
by jroman on
May 18, 2007 6:18 PM EDT
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Not a fan of Gooch batting leadoff
Eck
Dunc
Pujols
Rolen
Enc
Molina
Ludwick
Taguchi
Miles
by Mr Redbird on
May 18, 2007 6:26 PM EDT
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Though I, of course,
by rockin redbird on
May 18, 2007 6:30 PM EDT
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poo!
by tomsteele on
May 18, 2007 7:12 PM EDT
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Wow
by gibbons on
May 18, 2007 7:13 PM EDT
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Don't look now
by stltrav09 on
May 18, 2007 7:13 PM EDT
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alright guys
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 7:15 PM EDT
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This strikezone is ridiculous
by Hardcore Legend on
May 18, 2007 7:17 PM EDT
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son of a,,,
ugh. come on LOOP.
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 7:18 PM EDT
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well that was quick
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 7:23 PM EDT
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Seen it a hundred times...
by stltrav09 on
May 18, 2007 7:25 PM EDT
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wow...just checked
by erik on
May 18, 2007 7:27 PM EDT
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Anything that flies that far
by Phyrkrakr on
May 18, 2007 8:45 PM EDT
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poor Yadda
slide kid. SLIDE
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 7:29 PM EDT
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Watching
by aet15 on
May 18, 2007 7:29 PM EDT
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i absolutely
by SleepyCA on
May 18, 2007 7:31 PM EDT
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I was thinking the same thing
by gibbons on
May 18, 2007 7:33 PM EDT
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dang you tony
by erik on
May 18, 2007 7:33 PM EDT
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no excuse for not scoring...
by kindred on
May 18, 2007 7:33 PM EDT
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dear gawd
the Cards HAVE to stop letting the Tigers off the freakin hook. they aren't good enough to not score that run.
ugh. I think that's the word of the season. ugh.
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 7:33 PM EDT
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can you explain?
by tomsteele on
May 18, 2007 7:35 PM EDT
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He took his second step away from third and
That's what he did.
Not that he wouldn't have been out at home anyways. Conceding the run or not, I still think Wounded Horse at 1st throws him out.
by Hardcore Legend on
May 18, 2007 7:36 PM EDT
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in detail
by gibbons on
May 18, 2007 7:37 PM EDT
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As I was turning the channel to the game
by saladdin69 on
May 18, 2007 7:34 PM EDT
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story of the season
by gibbons on
May 18, 2007 7:38 PM EDT
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Molina made the motion
Rough not getting that run that inning, or any in the first, but I'm still trying to figure out why this kid is so good?
All he does is throw fastball to righthanders without very much control. Pujols and Rolen should punish him at some point in this game.
Oh, and btw, Molina is quickly becoming the best hitter on this team.
by Hardcore Legend on
May 18, 2007 7:34 PM EDT
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Yadi and Tony
I wonder if any team in the past few decades has had the defensive talent behind the plate like the Cards?
by saladdin69 on
May 18, 2007 7:45 PM EDT
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Oy vey at the bunt
Also, this season is bizarre in a number of ways, not least of which Molina is our best hitter. Weird, weird world...
by Scarlet the Cardinal on
May 18, 2007 7:37 PM EDT
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Looper not very crisp
Stranding all those runners, we may be out of this game by the 3rd.
by Hardcore Legend on
May 18, 2007 7:41 PM EDT
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I do hope that
Molina our best hitter, Looper our best pitcher, these are very strange times in the Birdhouse indeed.
by Scarlet the Cardinal on
May 18, 2007 7:46 PM EDT
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Duncan the only one in the world
by saladdin69 on
May 18, 2007 7:48 PM EDT
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meat of the order up
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 7:49 PM EDT
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You may ask too much of them
by Scarlet the Cardinal on
May 18, 2007 7:51 PM EDT
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Rolen
by aet15 on
May 18, 2007 7:52 PM EDT
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more stranded runners
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 7:54 PM EDT
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dear tony
by tomsteele on
May 18, 2007 7:54 PM EDT
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dear mr lutvig,
by SleepyCA on
May 18, 2007 7:55 PM EDT
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quick, off the bandwagon
by erik on
May 18, 2007 7:58 PM EDT
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What makes you so convinced?
by stltrav09 on
May 18, 2007 8:00 PM EDT
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I'm not sure
by Scarlet the Cardinal on
May 18, 2007 7:58 PM EDT
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it would help
by tomsteele on
May 18, 2007 8:00 PM EDT
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Can we please fast forward to next tues?
by stltrav09 on
May 18, 2007 8:03 PM EDT
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3 innings
by Hardcore Legend on
May 18, 2007 8:05 PM EDT
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that's could be why
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 8:11 PM EDT
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Top of the 5th = OUR inning
by Mr Redbird on
May 18, 2007 8:10 PM EDT
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fierst we (Loop)...
by Johnny64 on
May 18, 2007 8:16 PM EDT
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sorry
by Johnny64 on
May 18, 2007 8:18 PM EDT
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hey johnny?
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 8:22 PM EDT
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i've been calling walt all the time
by Johnny64 on
May 18, 2007 8:28 PM EDT
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his numbers probably not in the book is it?
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 8:30 PM EDT
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what the heck was that?
why is Dunk DHing and not Albert? Dunk should be in LF. not saying he could have caught it, but he's tall enough that he might of.
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 8:24 PM EDT
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I don't follow
by Mr Redbird on
May 18, 2007 8:25 PM EDT
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Tony said Albert has been told
as to who would play first? Speezer.
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 8:28 PM EDT
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Out of curiosity, who is the POS in leftfield?
by Ignatius J Reilly on
May 18, 2007 8:27 PM EDT
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Craig Monroe???
by SleepyCA on
May 18, 2007 8:33 PM EDT
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Ugh
by Mr Redbird on
May 18, 2007 8:34 PM EDT
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good night LOOP
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 8:38 PM EDT
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if both of those runners score
by SleepyCA on
May 18, 2007 8:40 PM EDT
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Wow
by jcarro100 on
May 18, 2007 8:42 PM EDT
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I'm calling a grand slam by casey
by jcarro100 on
May 18, 2007 8:43 PM EDT
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not quite
down by 7, do the players themselves even think they can win this game?
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 8:46 PM EDT
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Figures
by jcarro100 on
May 18, 2007 8:46 PM EDT
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So, can the World Champs win 73 games...
by Ignatius J Reilly on
May 18, 2007 8:48 PM EDT
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get thrown out, Tony
by SleepyCA on
May 18, 2007 8:50 PM EDT
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i thought he was going to let into gary there
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 8:51 PM EDT
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This team
by Scarlet the Cardinal on
May 18, 2007 8:50 PM EDT
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10 run rule in effect, please!!!!!
by Ignatius J Reilly on
May 18, 2007 8:51 PM EDT
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UNCLE
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 8:52 PM EDT
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Seconded
by Scarlet the Cardinal on
May 18, 2007 8:56 PM EDT
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Wellemeyer time?
by aet15 on
May 18, 2007 8:55 PM EDT
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compadre polanco
by Johnny64 on
May 18, 2007 8:56 PM EDT
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I'm dehydrated
by saladdin69 on
May 18, 2007 8:56 PM EDT
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jimenez ERA
by SleepyCA on
May 18, 2007 8:57 PM EDT
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telling you
by aet15 on
May 18, 2007 8:58 PM EDT
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Sno Cones!!!
by Lawless on
May 18, 2007 9:00 PM EDT
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there are few words to describe what we are seeing
embarrassing? it stopped being that weeks ago.
the Cards are getting their behinds handed to them in almost every series. I just don't have the words in my vocab to properly express my anger, fustration, saddness. whatever. I don't have it.
and clearly, the Cardinals don't have it either.
14-0 after 5. being shut out by a rookie. that's just sad.
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 9:07 PM EDT
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It's not over yet!!
Or something.
Maybe it's time to see how Yadi can pitch.
by Valatan on
May 18, 2007 9:14 PM EDT
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Good lord.
Just GIS for "projectile vomiting".
by craig3410 on
May 18, 2007 9:15 PM EDT
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That does it.
This team's dead in the water.
by craig3410 on
May 18, 2007 9:16 PM EDT
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but we won the ws
by Johnny64 on
May 18, 2007 9:20 PM EDT
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how freakin good has Johnson been this year
by azruavatar on
May 18, 2007 9:22 PM EDT
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Bright spot:
by Scarlet the Cardinal on
May 18, 2007 9:24 PM EDT
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that's 1
nice going the other way Dunk.
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 9:24 PM EDT
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2 down
by Scarlet the Cardinal on
May 18, 2007 9:26 PM EDT
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now they start to hit.
that's 2. 12 more to tie boys. I know you can do it!
trying to stay positive.
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 9:28 PM EDT
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why are they wasting franklin
by SleepyCA on
May 18, 2007 9:31 PM EDT
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why does Rolen get to rest and Albert doesn't?
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 9:33 PM EDT
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dunno but i had a moment of terror
by SleepyCA on
May 18, 2007 9:34 PM EDT
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he has
by punchinjudy on
May 18, 2007 9:38 PM EDT
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Help with gameday
by saladdin69 on
May 18, 2007 9:34 PM EDT
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EASY BIG MAN!
is it just me, or does every else always freak out when Albert tries to catch a foul ball? he scares the frak out of me every single time he goes after a foul ball.
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 9:34 PM EDT
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they say athletes mail it in
by punchinjudy on
May 18, 2007 9:42 PM EDT
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are you refering to Tony?
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 9:46 PM EDT
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no
by punchinjudy on
May 18, 2007 9:57 PM EDT
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what makes you think Jose is mailing it in?
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 10:17 PM EDT
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sarcasm
by punchinjudy on
May 24, 2007 11:17 PM EDT
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duncan couldn't have hit
by SleepyCA on
May 18, 2007 10:00 PM EDT
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way to shut up the drunks Albert!
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 10:02 PM EDT
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guess that's why they left albert in
by SleepyCA on
May 18, 2007 10:04 PM EDT
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Just tuned back in.. wish I wouldn't have
by stltrav09 on
May 18, 2007 10:04 PM EDT
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well that was painful to watch
try again tomorrow boys. at least make a game of it please?
by gdm426 on
May 18, 2007 10:10 PM EDT
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4-4
by Chicago Cardinals on
May 18, 2007 10:22 PM EDT
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i agree
Heres something why not let albert DH, move dunc to first and move anyone in OF...that would allow him to somewhat rest if he is knicked..i would think batting over everything wouldnt be that bad but he'd probably enevr go for it...he's a gamer
by punchinjudy on
May 18, 2007 10:51 PM EDT
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I'm having bad flashbacks to interleague 2006
by Mr Redbird on
May 18, 2007 10:29 PM EDT
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Hey we all love Espn and fox
by punchinjudy on
May 18, 2007 10:55 PM EDT
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random question.........
by msustargazer on
May 18, 2007 11:24 PM EDT
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That was posted by Solanus,
by Zubin on
May 19, 2007 12:32 AM EDT
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I left after the 4th inning
:D
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May 19, 2007 1:11 AM EDT
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Anyone watching the A's&Giants?
what's even better is bonds was the one who pushed him into the clubhouse. after dave reghetti got kline to the dugout, because kline was trying to get in the umps face, kline started walking back onto the field, and it looked like he was going to start throwing stuff on the field. but bonds grabed him around the shoulders, turned him around and pushed kline into the clubhouse. kline was yelling at fans while bonds was pushing him. it was great.
i don't normall support blow ups like that. but i love watching kliner do something crazy. he's the best. and someone had to tell the umps they wouldn't know what a strike was if it hit them in between the eyes. miller is just terriable.
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May 19, 2007 1:12 AM EDT
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