our jay will come
you'll definitely want to read ken rosenthal's piece on the state of the cardinals --- provocative musings about la russa, the owners, and the front office, which rosenthal calls "a house divided." it all rings true; indeed, none of this is really news. but the article does a pretty good job of connecting up and contextualizing some of the tidbits and hints and whispers that have surrounded this organization for the past year and a half. rosenthal overstates the sense of foreboding, in my opinion --- but he accurately captures the choices, and possible changes, this franchise will have to confront in the not-distant fuure.
speaking of the not-distant future (please forgive the cheesy segue), i had a chance to talk to rapid riser jon jay on monday afternoon. at this time last year, jay was playing college ball for the miami hurricanes; by this time next year, there's an outside chance that he could be vying for a roster spot in st louis. the cards took him in the 2d round of last june's draft, one round after selecting jay's college teammate chris perez. jay made the leap directly from college ball to full-season class A and proved up to that difficult challenge, hitting .342 / .416 / .462 in 60 games at quad cities. based on that performance, baseball america rated him the #5 prospect in the organization this spring, and the 2d-best hitting prospect behind colby rasmus. john sickels lists jay as one of the top 50 hitting prospects in the minors, and PECOTA rates him as the 13th-best corner-outfield prospect in the minors (for context, PECOTA rates rasmus as the 13th-best centerfield prospect).
the cards challenged jay again this spring, advancing him straight to double A; he got off to a slow start but has started to warm up with the weather. before an injury on may 3 he had hit in 9 consecutive games, lifting his average to .234. he hasn't played since, but is expected back in the next few days.
you might recall that erik manning posted an illustrated breakdown of jay's swing here a few months ago; worth another look. my subjective impression of the kid after talking to him for 15 minutes: hard worker, not flashy, all business. if he gets to the big leagues, he'll fit right in in st louis. my thanks to mike lindskog of the springfield cardinals for facilitating this interview:
how'd you hurt yourself?
i jammed my shoulder sliding into third base.
and what kind of timetable are you on for getting back out there?
it's just day by day. i'm just trying to get stronger.
leading up to that injury, it looked like you had a pretty good little streak going after kind of a slow start --- 9-game hitting streak. had you made any adjustments?
yeah, i just got off to a slow start, but you gotta keep working every day. i was just working on little things and stuff was starting to come around for me. hopefully when i come back i can continue on where i left off.
when you say "working on little things," are you talking about the mechanics of your swing? do you mean working on the mental approach? certain types of pitches or pitchers that you are trying to improve your game against?
no, my timing was just a little off in the beginning. i'm just trying to get into a good routine here and just try to roll it along.
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you've made a couple of big jumps --- from college to A ball, and then skipping high A and going straight up to double A. can you tell the difference being at a higher level?
it's just that there's less mistakes the higher up you go. people are more consistent, that's what the big difference is. in A ball last year, people had a lot of talent and stuff, but it's just about honing your skills and being more consistent, and guys are more consistent here. that's the big difference.
you've been a pro for less than a full year. in that short span of time, is there a certain part of your game where you feel you've made a lot of improvement already?
i think i've improved in all areas. every day i try to work on something and just try to get better with it, whether it's defense, baserunning, or hitting. i think my overall game has expanded, and i'm just going to keep honing my skills.
most of the people who read my site are familiar with your name and your stats, but they haven't necessarily seen you play. do you have anyone who you can compare yourself to as a ballplayer?
i'm not sure. i'm just a guy who's trying to get on base, hit line drives, and play good defense. i'm not real big on trying to hit home runs and stuff like that, but i'm just the type of player who tries to do all the little things to help my team win.
but you do have some pop in your bat --- all throughout college and last year at A ball you got a decent number of extra-base hits, and even this year when you started to heat up you had a couple of triples and a homer during that hitting streak. so you don't just go up there trying to hit singles.
yeah, i just try to go up the gap, try to hit some doubles and triples.
is that how you hurt yourself, sliding into third on one of those triples?
yeah, on a triple.
sorry about that.
'salright.
was there a ballplayer you idolized growing up as a kid --- somebody you always wanted to be like on the field?
ken griffey jr is one of those guys who when you were younger you always looked up to and stuff, but i just liked watching games and trying to pick something up from everyone. i used to like david justice a lot when i was young --- i was a big braves fan growing up in miami, because we didn't have a team until the marlins came. i liked him a lot, but i was just a big fan of the game.
you must have been about 10 years old or so when the marlins came?
yeah i was pretty young, and i enjoyed going to those games a lot. we used to go to those games often.
and they won a world title when you were probably a teenager back in '97.
yeah, in '97. and i remember the '03 one too; i was in high school, so that was a good experience.
last year you played a full college season, which is about 70 games, and then you played 60 games in a-ball. how'd you feel by the end of the year?
i felt fine. i think i do a pretty good job in the off-season of getting myself ready, and i felt fine.
had you played in the cape cod league or anything during your summers in college?
no, but i got to play for Team USA the summer before my junior year [ie, the summer of 2005]. that prepared me a lot. we got to travel all throughout the country; we got to go to japan and taiwan. i think that really helped me get prepared for pro ball.
what did you do this past off-season to get ready for 2007?
i took about a month off, and then i lifted and ran about 4 days a week. then i got into my hitting routine and went from there.
were you back home in miami for that?
yeah, i worked out in miami, back at school, with a trainer and a group of guys. we had a good time getting ready for the season.
were you working out with any of your teammates from the cardinal organization? old teammates from college? or some of both?
some of both. chris perez is down there, and he's kind of on a different program because he's a pitcher. but there's a group of minor leaguers [from various organizations] that are down there in miami, so we worked out, and i spent some time with my ex-teammates just helping them out any way i could.
you and perez have been together all throughout the minors and college; has it been helpful to have a familiar face around as you go up the chain?
yeah, it has been helpful. it's funny because me and chris have actually been together since our senior year in high school. every summer we've been together and every spring. it's been neat to have him. we both know each other's game, and we both help each other out when one of us is doing something we shouldn't be doing on the field.
this spring you got to experience your first spring training as a professional. did you get a chance to take any swings against any of the big leaguers?
i didn't get to take any swings against the big-league pitchers, but just being at the complex i got to see how the big-leaguers work and go about their business. so it was a good experience.
you've got a big-leaguer on your team right now --- juan encarnacion has been down at springfield for 10 days or so. what have you learned from him?
aw, he's a great guy. he goes about the game the right way. he's a quiet guy. he's always even-keeled, and that's one of the things that can get you to the next level --- just being level-headed. he's just a great example for players like myself and my teammates.
how much does the organization talk to you guys about the cardinals' need for outfielders? there's a real opportunity at the big-league level --- is that drilled into you, or do they just let it ride?
they just let it ride. we're not concerned about that right now. obviously our main goal is to make it to the big leagues, but we know we gotta work on things right here. we're not prepared yet, so we're trying to work on things that can help us get there.
that's a pretty good outfield you guys have this year at springfield.
yeah, it is. it's a lot of fun playing out here. with rass in center and joe in right sometimes, it's a great outfield we have.
and there are a couple of old hands on the roster who've been in the minors a couple of years longer than you, haerther and gorecki --- is it helpful to have some veterans around?
yeah. gorecki's great. he's always teaching us little things that can maybe help us out. he's a great teammate to have. we all respect him very much.
you following the hurricanes this spring?
yeah, i still follow them. a lot of those guys are my good friends, and i'm always rooting them on. they're doing alright; they'll probably get into the tournament and hopefully our postseason success can continue this year.
hopefully your own success will continue too. a lot of st louis fans are watching your progress. get back out on the field soon. thank you, i appreciate it.
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Marquis
"I knew I had a no-hitter going," he said. "I pitch to contact. Guys are going to find holes. My goal is to win ball games, not throw no-hitters."
Sure, take Duncan's methods to heart a year later...
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-nlrdp&prov=ap&type=lgns
by Robb on
May 10, 2007 9:02 AM EDT
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Ah...
by guayzimi on
May 10, 2007 9:21 AM EDT
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Far more important: he was throwing strikes and working efficiently. None of the messing around we saw last year--I don't think he walked anyone, and (I say without consulting my scorecard) I don't think he even came that close.
Having watched him in St. Louis, I'm with the rest of you in thinking he can't keep this up. But he was very, very good last night.
Oh, and we were out of there by 9:15, and that was with Jim Tracy dragging out the 9th with a pitching change and some mound chatter.
by levistahl on
May 10, 2007 9:25 AM EDT
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a few clues
also, he's allowing 0.38 homers per 9 innings; his career average is 1.24. insofar as he still isn't getting groundballs consistently, that number is bound to rise as well.
the one thing marquis is doing well so far this year is avoiding walks; he's at 2.45 per 9, or 1 walk per 9 below his career average. that conceivably is a sustainable change, but once some of those batted balls start to find holes and the flyballs start to leave the park, marquis might revert to his nibbling form.
clearly he's a better pitcher this year than last. but there's no way he can sustain this level of performance indefinitely.
by lboros on
May 10, 2007 9:36 AM EDT
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Not to mention
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May 10, 2007 12:52 PM EDT
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I'll defer...
If he finds success with the sinker it's one thing because he's been successful with that in the past, but a Marquis that blows guys away is an entirely new thing.
Also, it's the Pirates. How bad are they offensively?
The Cardinals actually have 12 more walks than they do and 75 fewer strike outs. The Cards team OBP is .310, the Pirates' is .294...
by guayzimi on
May 10, 2007 9:41 AM EDT
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The whispering among Cub fans
by sdrone on
May 10, 2007 10:31 AM EDT
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Re Rosenthal's article
by jfs on
May 10, 2007 9:24 AM EDT
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That was my thought too
by paCardsFan on
May 10, 2007 10:02 AM EDT
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Grooming Jocketty's replacement
by wildman on
May 10, 2007 11:23 AM EDT
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great interview lboros
by erik on
May 10, 2007 9:40 AM EDT
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AGREED!
This guy looks exciting!
by onebigdummy on
May 10, 2007 4:09 PM EDT
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Jay
http://whiteyball.wordpress.com/2007/02/09/jon-jay/
by whiteyball on
May 11, 2007 6:38 AM EDT
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It was a good interview...
by guayzimi on
May 10, 2007 9:42 AM EDT
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Maybe that's what Gorecki taught him...
Maybe he watches Bull Durham alot.
by silent_bob on
May 10, 2007 9:58 AM EDT
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Jay....
But he even showed class in that, a nice, legible autograph right on the sweet spot, plus number.
I think he went 2 for 4 that day with a BB and a couple runs scored.
by Brock20 on
May 10, 2007 10:03 AM EDT
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That's pretty cool
by mikedallas23 on
May 10, 2007 10:19 AM EDT
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Jay
by itsalemmon1019 on
May 10, 2007 11:52 AM EDT
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brock20, i would concur
guayzimi, you are correct about the cliches ---- despite my best efforts, i wasn't able to prod him out of his shell. he gave very short answers to everything; on a couple of occasions, his answers were so short that i'd sit there silent for 4 or 5 seconds, hoping he would feel compelled to keep talking --- but he waited me out every time.
even that can be revealing about a person / player, though . . . .
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May 10, 2007 11:58 AM EDT
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interestingly,
by erik on
May 10, 2007 12:35 PM EDT
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Great point...
Chris Perez was a talker. Very funny.
I know there at least a few Cards fans in Wisconsin, so I'll pass this tip along. Go to Beloit to see the Swing play the Beloit team. The teams have to walk through the grandstand to get to the dugout. That's how we got the entire team.
Might want to wait until after the draft though.
by Brock20 on
May 10, 2007 12:50 PM EDT
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I talked to Gorecki
My magazine is going around to the players and asking them non-baseball questions, which is sort of funny. We've got some in the can with Matt Pagnozzi and some others.
by effin fisk on
May 10, 2007 7:31 PM EDT
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Rosenthal
I just don't believe that Jocketty isn't all for integrating more sabermetric analysis into the organization's philosophy.
It's obvious Cardinals are shifting toward the same direction that everyone else in baseball is going. I don't necessarily believe that this means that Lunhow is being "groomed" to take Jocketty's spot.
How the hell would you dump LaJocketty at this point? That'd be like the Braves dumping Schuerholz and/or Cox after their epic run in the 90's.
by silent_bob on
May 10, 2007 10:03 AM EDT
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House Divided
by cardsgirl95 on
May 10, 2007 10:08 AM EDT
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there's substance to it
i've been told that same story, more or less, by half a dozen different people who have come into contact with the organization from various different angles over the last couple of years.
by lboros on
May 10, 2007 12:10 PM EDT
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quoting sam walker
"If I had to choose one team to cover right now, I think it would be the Cardinals. I think it's a fascinating time for them right now, because they are at this weird bridge. They've had incredible success, but I think they're at a crossroads in terms of where they're going. They're doing a lot of interesting stuff. There's a very progressive, forward-looking, intellectually curious part of the team, and then there's a very old-fashioned, traditionalist, nothing-new-under-the-sun side. They're coexisting pretty peacefully, but I feel like that whole organization's gonna be vastly different in a few years."
by lboros on
May 10, 2007 12:13 PM EDT
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well
larussa seems to have lost his grip sometime last season on some of the players.
again, don't get me wrong, i like jocketty and i like larussa. the times are changing and with a pretty strict cap on the budget we could use a moneyballer type running the show.
by erik on
May 10, 2007 12:33 PM EDT
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You mention moneyballers...
by silent_bob on
May 10, 2007 12:51 PM EDT
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Not at all.
by Zubin on
May 10, 2007 3:46 PM EDT
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Touche
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May 10, 2007 5:01 PM EDT
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Missed my point
My point is that it is no surprise that rich teams like the Red Sox that adopt these philosphies still have an advantage over poorer teams that do the same. Its not to say all teams with large payrolls will sucessful adopt these ideas, only that the teams that do and have larger payrolls obviously still have an advantage.
by Zubin on
May 10, 2007 8:39 PM EDT
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fuzzy math
I must admit, I found the last portion of his article somewhat alarming. I knew of the promotion for Luhnow, and while I figured he might eventually be next in line, I in no way assumed it was "near-future." (and, according to Larry, it's not).
I always thought they'd give Tony another year as a contract extension, and then, if they wanted, both Tony and Walt would sign equal length multi-year deals.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm not sure who we'd get to replace either one. That old addage comes to mind: "If it ain't broke..." And I certainly think it's too early to call this season broke.
by SmashedAtoms on
May 10, 2007 6:00 PM EDT
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I hadn't heard anything
by sdrone on
May 10, 2007 10:32 AM EDT
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Rosenthal
But - his main point - all this is moot if the cardianls just begin to play better - is a good one. And that starts on this road trip.
Kippy has to figure out what the $#@* is wrong with him - starting tomorrow.
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May 10, 2007 11:10 AM EDT
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P-D reporting JuanEnc set to return
And he's bringing his .154 BA, 0 HRs and 4 RBI in 20 games at double A. Can't wait.
[sarcasm]Hopefully, they'll send Ludwick back down to open a roster spot since we have everything we need in Skip Schumacher[/sarcasm]
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May 10, 2007 10:46 AM EDT
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I was kinda hoping Juan would have a setback
I guess this means Ludwick goes to the bench and Juan returns to start in RF?
by Hardcore Legend on
May 10, 2007 10:52 AM EDT
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Or Juan gets "worked into the game"
by sdrone on
May 10, 2007 10:59 AM EDT
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wrong move!
If he does return I hope he stays on the bench. Send Schmuker down, but let Ludwick play!
by nybirdfan on
May 10, 2007 11:02 AM EDT
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20 day rehab
by Handsome B Wonderful on
May 10, 2007 11:10 AM EDT
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Ludwick
by mikedallas23 on
May 10, 2007 11:09 AM EDT
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Git you a throwed roll Skippy.
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platoon
by Birds on the Matt on
May 10, 2007 11:39 AM EDT
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Interesting...
by silent_bob on
May 10, 2007 11:42 AM EDT
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well
by Birds on the Matt on
May 10, 2007 11:49 AM EDT
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Schumaker.....
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May 10, 2007 1:11 PM EDT
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P-Dub
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May 10, 2007 1:27 PM EDT
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Unfairness to Gooch
Gooch is hitting pretty well right now. He's in the top five among position player on the team in Average, OBP, Slugging, and OPS. Here's his line:
Taguchi
Avg .273
Obp .347
Slg .364
OPS .711
If anyone should be sent down, its Schumaker.
Schumaker
Avg .233
OBP .277
Slg .279
OPS .556
As I understand it, he was retained only because we needed a back up for Edmonds. With Juan, we have that.
Why we would send Ludwig back down is beyond me. He's got Skip beat in every category. In four games, he has an equal number of RBI and HR, and he's only one short on doubles. Not bad. His line:
Avg .250
OBP .294
SLG .313
OPS .607
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May 10, 2007 1:44 PM EDT
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The thing...
If we're not competing, we should be developing. Both players should be limited to defensive replacement status in any case...
by guayzimi on
May 10, 2007 2:29 PM EDT
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skip is 27
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May 10, 2007 2:39 PM EDT
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fair point
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Re: Rosenthal and the farm system
I always find snippets like that to be amusing.
Yes, the Cards farm system is not a high publicity farm system compared to other teams. But to say there is "little help" is a swing and a miss.
Just look at last year for an example.
First, Chris Duncan was probably the biggest impact player of the second half of last year. He had a .977 OPS after the All-Star Game, 19th best in baseball with a minimum of 200 PAs.
Second, Molina has hardly set the world on fire with his bat, but he did hit the 9th inning HR in Game 7 of the NLCS.
Third, how many of the pitchers last year were from the farm? You can quibble about Wainwright, but he did spend two years in the Cards farm system. Reyes was the WS Game 1 winner, outdueling the #2 overall draft choice. In the bullpen, you had Kinney and Johnson and Thompson (and Flores was hardly an established veteran when the Cards picked him up).
Right now, three-fifths of the Cards' rotation are farm guys, with Reyes, Wainwright, and Thompson. The bullpen is Johnson and Jiminez and Falkenborg (and the aforementioned Flores).
If Rosenthal considers these players to be "little help", I would tend to disagree.
Dave
P.S. Larry, I haven't posted lately, but you are doing a very fine job as usual
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May 10, 2007 11:05 AM EDT
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Hear hear!
Rosenthal's article was good, but we've gotta keep some perspective here. That there might be differing agendas in the front office is not that big a deal ... just another day in the life of a high-profile sports team. And in fact I wouldn't want a front office that is always in lockstep either; a little creative tension is a good thing.
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May 10, 2007 11:10 AM EDT
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On blue-chippers
SI recently ran an article on the top 50 players for the next 10 years, by Nate Silver of Baseball Prospectus. By the way, a Cardinal farm hand was #1 on the list.
I looked at the list. Of the 50, 28 started their pro career--either via the draft or as NDFA--in the 2000's.
Five of the 28 were NDFAs, four from the Carribean (Cabrera, Cano, F. Hernandez, H. Ramirez) and Dice-K. The Cards could be doing more in the Carribean, without a doubt. As to spending $100 MM on Dice-K, that wasn't going to happen.
That leaves 23 drafted players on the top 50 list. The Cards, in the 2000's, have not had a top 10 draft pick. In 2000 they drafted 13th, and 2004 19th; otherwise it was 28 (2001, 2003, 2005), or 30 (2006). In 2002 the first pick was in the third round (the first two rounds were for signing Izzy and Martinez, IIRC).
How many of the 23 did the Cards have a chance at?
Nine.
That leaves 14 of the top 50--the blue chippers--that the Cards did not have a chance at because they were drafted prior to their initial draft position?
Who were those 14?
Upton, Verlander, Fielder, Teixiera, D. Young, Lincecum, Kazmir, Bonderman, Hamels, Gordon, Zimmerman, McCann (2nd round in 2002, when Cards only had a 3rd round pick), and Mauer.
It's hard to fault the Cards for not having "blue-chippers" when the top value in the draft is in the top 10 picks, and the Cards don't have a top ten pick because of their success.
Dave
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May 10, 2007 12:10 PM EDT
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Barton was a blue chip...
Sorry to bring up these names. Barton is sporting a 700 ops if it makes anyone feel better...
by guayzimi on
May 10, 2007 2:27 PM EDT
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Barton was the 28th Pick
As to Haren, that is indeed history. Plus, he was a 2nd round pick, so again not that highly regarded. Perhaps Walt was willing to include Haren because he had gotten Wainwright in the Drew trade (just speculation on my part). Plus, he thought Mulder was a missing ingredient to win a WS.
Dave
by Sydney dave on
May 10, 2007 4:52 PM EDT
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My definition of
by MdRedbirdFreak on
May 10, 2007 11:06 PM EDT
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WOW!
by onebigdummy on
May 10, 2007 4:29 PM EDT
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Also, while they were reaquired
Players on roster that have spent time in the Cardinals Farm System (not for rehab)
Albert Pujols
Adam Kennedy
Chris Duncan
Ryan Ludwick
Skip Shumaker
Yadier Molina
Braden Looper
Adam Wainwright
Anthony Reyes
Brad Thompson
Brian Falkenborg
Kelvin Jimenez
Tyler Johnson
13 players on our 25 man roster come from the Cardinals farm system (unless I missed something).
by Hardcore Legend on
May 10, 2007 11:12 AM EDT
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Add So and Flores to your list
Josh Kinney, on the DL, would be another player on the roster (but obviously not the 25 man roster at this point).
Dave
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May 10, 2007 1:05 PM EDT
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Jay's injury
DO NOT slide head-first, under any circumstance.
Also, I finally got around to reading "Fantasyland." Great read, by the way. I plowed through it in like three days.
One of Sam Walker's "employees" in the book, Sig Mejdal, is now the Cards' "senior quantitative analyst." Walker made Mejdal seem exceedingly brilliant, if a bit eccentric. Definitely a Luhnow guy.
by 26thMan on
May 10, 2007 11:19 AM EDT
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JJ
by Hungry Jack on
May 10, 2007 11:28 AM EDT
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i do find it scary
by SleepyCA on
May 10, 2007 12:27 PM EDT
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You're assuming that Jay's
by MdRedbirdFreak on
May 10, 2007 12:37 PM EDT
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He's in AA, Juan's a veteran from the show
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Encarnacion makes All-Mediocre team
http://smittblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/all-mediocre-team_09.html
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May 10, 2007 1:37 PM EDT
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I wonder
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May 10, 2007 2:39 PM EDT
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Usually, when you think burning and Jeff Weaver
Now, it's just the scent of toast...as in, he is toast.
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Yeah,
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May 10, 2007 3:49 PM EDT
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Roy Halladay
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/EW3d
Weaver is at #74 on the list so far. If you crank the ERA requirement all the way up to 15, he comes in 3rd behind Hayden Penn '06 and Jaret Wright '02.
by john vb on
May 10, 2007 5:07 PM EDT
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great work john vb
and it's not very likely he'll throw shutout ball for 9.1 innings. if we assume he starts posting a 4.00 era from here forward (and that's a generous assumption), his era will be north of 10.00 well past the 30-inning threshold ---- if he starts posting a 5.00 from here forward, he'll carry a 10.00 well past 40 innings.
of course, he'll probably be dropped from the rotation before he can get there . . . . but if things break just right, he could crack the top 10 on this list.
by lboros on
May 10, 2007 5:45 PM EDT
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The insane part is that he's doing it for Seattle
by Valatan on
May 10, 2007 6:09 PM EDT
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VEB -- ask an idle question...
by jfs on
May 10, 2007 6:27 PM EDT
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sort of
by john vb on
May 10, 2007 6:34 PM EDT
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How can we make pitchers look like all-stars?
This guy has been bad all year except for the 7 inning 1 run, 0 walk performance he did against us. He is pitching now and is back to being bad... 4 innings 5 runs
And who is Matt Albers?
6 runs in 2 innings and then 7 runs in 3 innings.... between those 2 starts is a 7 inning shutout performance against us.
We won the game on Tuesday, but T. Buchholz came into the game with an 8 (EIGHT!) ERA. He only pitched 6 innings of shutout baseball against us.
Of course someone here will post saying how we've won 4 out of 6, or scored 9 runs yesterday....I know I know...
by redbird2006in on
May 10, 2007 3:38 PM EDT
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3.56
by Hammondsbird on
May 10, 2007 4:12 PM EDT
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Well...
I'm watching the Yanks lose to the Rangers 14-2. What a sight! Think about the bats in their order... how just one, ONE, of them would make a huge difference in ours!!! Take a Jeter, A-Rod or Matsui or a non-slumping Cano or Abreu... Could you imagine? Yet, they lose 14-2... ERIC GAGNE getting the last 3 outs. HAHAHAHAH!!!! Wang gave up 8. Wasn't he 2nd in Cy Young voting?
It makes me smile at the idea that there is discontent in the front office. We've been killing it for several several years now. One down year? So what? If anything this season, if it stays the way it is now, will only give reason and support to what the fans are grumbling about... "SPEND MONEY!"
I loved the posts below about our Farm System. Great insights guys! THANKS!
The reality is... in my opinion, we need ONE bat! just one. A Miguel Cabrera behind Pujols and somuch changes!
by onebigdummy on
May 10, 2007 4:39 PM EDT
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We need one legit hot bat right now
Even with the utter lack of punch the team has right now, they seemed to find a way to get on base during the homestand.
If, say, Pujols were to go off on one of his great stretches with 7 HRs in 12 games or some such, this team would be right back in the NL Central race.
Basically, what I'm saying is that a hot bat is needed (whether from within or from the outside). Look at the impact Ludwick has had already with the team.
by Hardcore Legend on
May 10, 2007 5:17 PM EDT
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Rambo
With Rambo 4 coming in a few years along with John Jay there's no way he won't dominate. I heard there is a Marion Cobretti in low single A, too. Seriously though, Jay and Rasmus can't get here soon enough. (not forgetting the great Ankiel) it feels good having some prospects to develop and not necessarily have to trade them for mid-to-high tier free agents-to-be at the trade deadline. We've got our ring, now hopefully Jocketty reloads the right way and we'll be back on top in the next couple of years.
by 636thestruggle on
May 10, 2007 4:41 PM EDT
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Starting a rumor
I'm wondering if maybe Rodriguez is making a trip out west to meet up with the big club. Anyone heard anything?
by DCGreg on
May 10, 2007 9:00 PM EDT
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maybe he has
by punchinjudy on
May 10, 2007 9:06 PM EDT
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In the off chance I'm right
by DCGreg on
May 10, 2007 9:17 PM EDT
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go for it
In another note neither are Jeds #'s at the shoe so who knows..
As for now it's gas, remeber when Lankford missed games for like rectal surgery? ouch
by punchinjudy on
May 10, 2007 9:29 PM EDT
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very much doubt it
They've got rico washington at 1B too- 3 SS's on the field at once- so if we're doing interesting rumours, I wonder if they are having open tryouts for Eckstein's job?
BTW terry evans has a triple and a double with 2 RBI's and a run scored against us so far tonight, and it's only the bottom of the 2nd...
by SleepyCA on
May 10, 2007 9:19 PM EDT
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I, for one,
by DCGreg on
May 10, 2007 9:31 PM EDT
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That would be ideal
Terry Evans update- he just singled to lead of the 5th, advanced on a walk and an HBP, and scored on a wild pitch. he's now an HR away from the cycle.
by SleepyCA on
May 10, 2007 10:14 PM EDT
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I'll top that with
I'm pretty sure Enc can be kept on the DL if they conclude (declare?) that he's still hurt.
by DCGreg on
May 10, 2007 10:18 PM EDT
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Bonds and anniversary
This just in Jose Reyes wow..
by punchinjudy on
May 10, 2007 9:13 PM EDT
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call him up!
by stlcardinalsfang on
May 10, 2007 11:06 PM EDT
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Juan
by chuckb on
May 10, 2007 11:32 PM EDT
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Ankiel won't be up
by Valatan on
May 10, 2007 11:40 PM EDT
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Agreed
by Mr Clean on
May 10, 2007 11:50 PM EDT
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he's looking pretty damn good
Last 10 games he's batting .325
now if he can learn to take walks...
by longhornscardinals on
May 11, 2007 12:02 AM EDT
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