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from this morning's p-d, under the headline La Russa bothered by attention paid to opening lineup:
but (and here's where my sympathy ends) all the "where's duncan?" talk wasn't really about duncan anyway; it was about the glaring void in the st louis outfield that has gone unfilled since reggie sanders and larry walker departed 18 months ago. of all the players the cardinals have trotted out in place of those two --- juan encarnacion, larry bigbie, hector luna, scott spiezio, john rodriguez, wilson, taguchi, schumaker, timo perez --- only one has come close to matching their offensive presence: chris duncan. as i noted elsewhere, st louis leftfielders not named duncan hit .258 / .326 / .375 last season, with 7 hr and 36 rbi in 516 plate appearances; centerfielders not named edmonds went .252 / .321 / .345 in 302 plate appearances, with 4 homers and 29 rbi. that's what this is about. it's about the acceptance of outfielders who hit worse than shortstops.
just one decent bat --- even juan en'cion --- would make a huge difference. with him in right, wilson and duncan platooning in left, and edmonds in center mosta the time (god willing), the shortstop types are relegated to late-inning defense and the pinch-hitting assignment. wouldn't be the league's best outfield, but it'd be far from the worst. but encarnacion is now at least as big a question mark as edmonds; we don't know exactly when he'll be back (at least a month), nor whether he'll be able to provide his accustomed mediocrity when he does return. this guy is in the walk year of his contract; maybe he'll be for sale at the deadline. wouldn't come cheap, though . . . .
hey, i never gave you the results of the community projection of stl's final record; 40 people put in entries, 60 percent of which fell in the 86-to-90-win range. another 35 percent of the respondents had the cardinals at 91 wins or more, leaving just 5 percent --- two people --- at below 86 wins. one of those people marked st louis down 81 wins; the other put 'em at 78, the lone doomsayer brave enough to predict a .500 record.
that dangerous individual has been placed under 24-hour surveillance by mr dewitt's private security force.
the finally average was 90 wins, 72 losses, and a 3-game margin over the rest of the division. the runs scored/against averages were 769 and 704, which translate to an 87-75 pythagorean record; so much for that 3-game margin, eh? as we did with the individual player projections, let's now compile a projection of the projections to see how ours stacks up. "RLYW" refers to the oft-cited Diamond Mind Blowout conducted last month by Replacement Level Yankee Weblog; the projection labeled "Diamond Mind" refers to DM's own projections, which posted yesterday:
| W | L | GB/A | RS | RA | |||
| VEB | 90 | 72 | +3 | 769 | 704 | ||
| RLYW-zips | 90 | 72 | +5 | 753 | 665 | ||
| Diamond Mind | 85 | 77 | +2 | 769 | 728 | ||
| RLYW-chone | 84 | 78 | -- | 778 | 741 | ||
| RLYW-pecota | 80 | 82 | -5 | 726 | 736 | ||
| PECOTA depth chart | 81 | 81 | -4 | 731 | 735 |
the overall average of the above is 85 wins . . . . . ok, so the hometown fans are a little optimistic. who'da ever thunk that?
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He'd be worth the money....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 3, 2007 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree
by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 3, 2007 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I've learned a lot about
Which isn't necessarily a problem, but he'll want to get paid like he's hitting his peak.
I agree with VORP
Does anyone have a link
Post 2007 free agents Outfielders
Bobby Abreu * NYY
Moises Alou * NYM
Milton Bradley OAK
Eric Byrnes ARZ
Mike Cameron SD
Brady Clark LAD
Jeff DaVanon ARZ
Adam Dunn * CIN
Jermaine Dye CWS
Luis Gonzalez LAD
Shawn Green* NYM
Eric Hinske BOS
Torii Hunter MIN
Geoff Jenkins * MIL
Andruw Jones ATL
Bobby Kielty OAK
Rob Mackowiak * CWS
Jason Michaels CLE
Orlando Palmeiro HOU
Corey Patterson BAL
Aaron Rowand PHI
Reggie Sanders KC
Ichiro Suzuki SEA
Brad Wilkerson TEX
by Stan and Slaughter on Apr 3, 2007 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
C-Patt!!!!!!!
Wow.
He'd be expensive. To be honest, I think you could get the best deal for Milton Bradley.
by VORP is too nerdy on Apr 3, 2007 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking over that list
Thanks for the post stan!
Chris Duncan is NOT adam Dunn
Chris Duncan will never walk 100 times in a season. Nor will he strike out nearly 200 times a season. Dunn had a career minor league ISO of .221. Duncan's was .150. I'd love to believe Dunc is going to be close to Dunn in terms of gross production, but the reality is Duncan probably was playing a bit over his head and could regress to the mean in a nasty way this season. I certainly hope not, and I like what I hear about Duncan's improved swing, hard work ethic and overall good attitude and all, but I'm not expecting the world from the guy for 1 great half of a season.
and while i think Ichiro is an interesting player and all, he'll be far overpriced. I'd bet a team like San Fran would chase him, they have a propensity to overvalue stars who are starting to go past their prime.
He's already 32 or 33
Ah come on...
Ichiro?
by RosevilleRedbird on Apr 3, 2007 9:47 AM EDT reply actions
hmm
In the end it's up to the player
Burnett had a 3.98 ERA and a little less than
Would you say that that was a team constructed to
Garcia
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/the-best-left-handed-pitchers-of-2007/
looks good...
his k's dropped
You might be right...
Just for kicks and grins
How bout this lineup...
RF Ichiro
LF Duncan
1B Pujols
3B Rolen
CF Edmonds
SS Renteria
C Molina
2B Kennedy
Pitcher
Bench
Speez
Marrero
Skippy
Ryan
Ankiel
Starters
Carp
Reyes
Wagonmaker
Narveson
Mulder
With that lineup we could move Ichiro to center at times to give Edmonds a rest without having to put in lower tier talent(Taguchi).
by Edmonds is baseball on Apr 3, 2007 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
Hey, maybe the odd infatuation
God I hope that's true.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 3, 2007 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
We need that lineup generator
tony
by jojo5492 on Apr 3, 2007 12:00 PM EDT reply actions
TLR
by 10worldchamps on Apr 3, 2007 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He's probalby more defending
hard to defend their stats though
Wilson
.730 OPS, 17 HR, 121 strikeouts
Duncan
.952 OPS, 22 HR, 69 strikeouts
Taguchi
.686 OPS, 2 HR
Rodriguez
.806 OPS, 2, HR
Even considering lefty/righty splits I still have a hard time justifying it. But Tony is Tony.
by redbird2006in on Apr 3, 2007 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
As opposed to
man up
I read an anecdote about Earl Weaver once where a young reporter asked ``Earl, why did you take Palmer out in the seventh inning when the leadoff man reached?''
Weaver smiled and said: ``Because I'm the manager of the Baltimore f**king Orioles, that's why.''
Bingo. That's all that matters.
by 10worldchamps on Apr 3, 2007 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Wait a sec...this just in...
Second guessing a MLB manager is part of the fun of being a baseball fan. Somebody please pass along this freakin' news flash to Tony...
Ichiro's Agent
I would love to bring Ichiro to the Cards, although I think its unlikely to happen.
by IC Cards Fan on Apr 3, 2007 12:32 PM EDT reply actions
Given the Cardinals' history
by MdRedbirdFreak on Apr 3, 2007 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ichiro!!!
He'd simply make more money elswewhere.
But I'd kind of (okay... really) like to have him as a #2 hitter.
I agree
I think that we may also want to see if Stavinoha might be an answer later in the year as well, even on a part-time basis. I know they'll be watching his progress at Memphis carefully.
Leaving Duncan out
Dunc: .170/.220/.319
Gooch: .280/.337/.389
P-Dub: .292/.362/.496
Even though I would make Dunc my every day left fielder and start treating him like Edmonds a few years ago (play him right through the crappy splits), this is understandable TLR logic.
But, again, what makes it questionable is a) the struggles of Gooch and Wilson, combined with the fact that we had a guy sitting on the bench whose splits were these:
Speez: .318/.372/.365
by whitey ball on Apr 3, 2007 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm...
AVG OBP SLG ABs
Dunc: .158/.220/.316 38
Gooch: .280/.337/.389 157
P-Dub: .250/.325/.667 36
For the record, I don't really have much of a problem with Tony sitting Duncan against Glavine. And after looking at these splits from last year, I still think it was probably the best move.
I imagine the thing that galls most of us is that So and Preston were...among our 3 best starting OF options against a lefty starter.
That said, one cannot help but wonder why it's OK for Tony to PH Duncan against the Mets lefty Feliciano in a critical NLCS playoff game last year (result: a memorable HR), but it's not OK to give him a start against Glavine, whom Duncan has 0 career ABs against. That's the question that I would ask.
Forget Ichiro
by MaskedMan on Apr 3, 2007 12:53 PM EDT reply actions
Ichiro could leave Seattle...
Sanders
I was thinking about the same thing this morning
I'm too lazy on this depressing Tuesday morning in which I know I won't get to watch the Cards tonight for the first time in over a year to muddle through splits.
by Hardcore Legend on Apr 3, 2007 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's a screengrab I accidently got while

so, anyone else think
in dissecting this one game, i'd examine more closely his choice to not have duncan ph against one of the rightys that willie brought in rather than not starting him against a pitcher who he might flail hoplessly against.
I was wondering...
I suspect this roster will look considerably different by August. That'll be my excuse anyway when the Cards (hopefully) prove me wrong.
I agree
unbalanced schedule
for a while i've heard the term "unbalanced schedule." i knew that we play some teams more/less than others, yada, yada. never really investigated it or thought too much about it. that is...until recently. i'm in dallas now and i got all excited earlier because this is the year that the american league west (rangers, i live 10 minutes from the ballpark) is going to play my boys. i caught all 3 games here in dallas (actually, arlington) a few years ago. but i was borderline suicidal when i checked the schedule and realized that the cards are skipping the series with the rangers this year. i'm assuming this is due to that whole "we play the royals every year no matter what" crap. ugh....serious depression.
anyway, that was my first clue. then i made a bet with a colleague and a mets fan in our new york office regarding the season series. and yeah....how sweet it was to talk mess with him during the nlcs last year. a highlight. checked the schedule. 7 with the mets. got me curious again so i sorted the schedule and picked out some random teams....
mets - 7; braves -7; phillies - 9; nats - 6; cubs - 16; brewers - 15; bucs - 18; reds - 15; dodgers - 6; dbacks - 7; pads - 7; giants - 5; angels - 3; a's - 3; none against mariners or rangers.
now i'm just curious. there doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason to the schedule. or at least, i'm not smart enough to figure one out...and that's entirely possible. is it a random, computer-generate deal? what am i missing?
can anyone proffer a good explanation and educate me????
I can't explain
Of course, the Cardinals never made the playoffs during that era ...
i know what you mean....
but just looking at the small sample that i did, i see we get 7 with the mets and braves and 9 with the phils, but we only get 6 with the nats. and they are all in the same division. talk about a disadvantage. who wouldn't want to load up on games agains the nats this year???
and we miss out on the hapless m's and the rangers. of course, we do get the royals every year. that's a plus.
even in our division, things are screwed up. 16, 15, 18.....
ehhh....i guess it's not really THAT much of an issue. to be the best, you have to beat the best.
it's just one of those things that makes me go hmmmmm.......
I can't explain it
I gather
I believe but am not sure that the Cards have benefited in the past more than they've been harmed -- certainly, starting with six games against the Royals is a big edge over, say, starting with six against the Yankees, as the Mets must always do.
6 teams in Central
Second, as a result of interleague games, the schedules get totally unbalanced given the smaller AL West. Whatever interleague division we are scheduled with has one or two less teams to match up with.
Yeah
Unbalanced leagues
I've also noticed the disparity in games within the divisions and in the home/away splits. I haven't looked at this year's schedule, but last year the 10/6 (away/home) split w/ Houston was balanced by a similar split in the Card's favor against (if I remember) Pittsburgh. So, it appears (from a single data point, admittedly) that the overall schedule against division rivals balances. That's still no excuse, IMO, for such a disparity as 10/6.
by ArkansasTravs on Apr 4, 2007 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
From Dayn Perry at FSN
3. Cardinals -- OF John Rodriguez
Juan Encarnacion is on the DL, and Jim Edmonds is in a state of disrepair. In other words, the Cards need outfield depth. Rodriguez can provide decent defense at the corners and handle right-handers. He doesn't have the name value of Preston Wilson, but he's a better player at this stage of their careers. The Cards erred in assigning Rodriguez to the minors.
Duncan.
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 3, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
Really?
Young?
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 3, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Although I did not use a proper noun,
Logic.
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 3, 2007 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously,
Wow.
Obviously. Thanks for thinking I didn't realize that.
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 3, 2007 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually...
Control this, sunshine.
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 3, 2007 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Doh!
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 3, 2007 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
well this probably isn't good
by jojo5492 on Apr 3, 2007 5:59 PM EDT reply actions
oh, boy.
Carp will miss his next start, felt tightness in his elbow....http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/21C82B34C715E9B1862572B20076393E ?OpenDocument
Carpenter Injured
Carpenter has elbow problem, will miss next start
By Joe Strauss
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
04/03/2007
Cardinals ace Chris Carpenter experienced tightness in his right elbow after Sunday night's season-opening start against the Mets and will miss his next scheduled start.
by jms8897 on Apr 3, 2007 6:03 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe...
agreed
by Jonathan23 on Apr 3, 2007 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Then Again...
by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 3, 2007 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop the puking
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