Game 23 Open Thread: April 28, 2007

by lboros on Apr 28, 2007 9:13 AM EDT in News Comment 254 comments


zambrano	wainwright
1-2, 6.91	1-1, 5.04

that's the cards' most aggravating loss since this one, in which st louis twice had the tying run at 3d with one out late in the game and couldn't get the ball out of the infield. . . . after that game, i noted that the cardinals had swung at nearly everything in those critical rbi situations. similar thing happened last night: after pujols' hit put the tying run at 3d with nobody out, the cardinals hacked at 9 of the ensuing 13 pitches, including at least three that probably were balls:

the 0-1 pitch to rolen: slider down and in, a pitcher's pitch. even if it's a strike, the best rolen can do with it is beat it into the ground. no reason to chase that one; rolen fouled it off to put himself in an 0-2 hole.
the 0-0 pitch to taguchi: a late, anxious half-swing on a high fastball --- probably ball 1. gooch obviously was not looking for that pitch, put himself in a hole. cotts let him off the hook with the subsequent hbp.
the 0-0 pitch to kennedy: slider in on the hands; again, probably a ball. presumably kennedy was anticipating an inside fastball and got fooled; he tapped the pitch foul.

the cardinals really only got one good pitch to hit in the entire sequence --- the first one, a hanging slider / sinker that rolen missed by a couple of inches and fouled back. i have no problem with rolen attacking that pitch --- he missed it, but that'll happen. at least the judgment was sound. after that pitch, though, the cardinals got jumpy and never forced the cub relievers to come over the plate.

re la russa's failure to pinch-hit spiezio for preston wilson in the 8th, with dempster on the mound . . . . don't really know what to say about it. it was such an obvious thing to do that i feel silly explaining why spiezio was a superior choice to wilson. i haven't seen any explanation from tony, except that wilson got a hit off dempster last week. . . . if that was the reason, it wasn't one of la russa's more clever tactical maneuvers.

well, let me be a little more honest about this: i thought it was beyond stupid. but if anybody can defend that (non)move, i'm all ears.

i looked at reyes' bad inning --- homer to ramirez on a changeup, the 3d anthony had thrown in the at-bat. he fooled ramirez with two changes to start the at-bat, wasted a fastball away, then came back with the change on 1-2 --- ramirez was waiting for it. reyes had used a similar sequence on this hitter after getting two strikes on him in the 2d inning --- wasted an 0-2 fastball away, then came back with the changeup down and in (for a ball) and another changeup on 2-2; the one ramirez hit out was the 5th changeup ramirez had seen in two plate appearances. . . . the pitch to pie was just a nothing fastball, an 86 mph pitch. in the first, when reyes struck out the side, he was hitting 93 on the gun with high fastballs, and threw a 91 mph high fastball two pitches before the homer to pie, so the speed of the gopher-ball pitch suggests that it was a failed two-seamer.

cards/cubs series is off to a great start this year --- three very interesting games already, tossups. we'll see how they fall this afternoon.

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Hey Lboros

I was wondering what you thought about Bernie vs. Tony during the press conference?

by Calhoun on Apr 28, 2007 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

whatever

i can see why la russa might not like the article, but he is not paid to make newspaper decisions.

by lboros on Apr 28, 2007 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

WGN had an interesting stat on Reyes

I don't remember the exact numbers.

First time through the lineup, batters hit over .500 against him (it was .583 or something)
2nd time through the lineup, batters hit under .300 against him (not sure, it was .2xx I think)
3rd time through the lineup (how many times does this happen?) batters hit like .083 against him

by sdrone on Apr 28, 2007 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wilson

I just put it as stupid, instead of beyond stupid. The thought process may have gone like this:

The scoreboard said Wilson was .500 against Dempster; I'm assuming that meant he was 1 for 2.
He already knew he would be sending Spezio up as a PH for the pitcher's spot. I believe that left two people on the bench -- Schumaker and Bennett. Tony never likes to use his backup catcher unless he has to.
So, it's 4-3 with one out and bases loaded in the 8th. All Wilson has to do is hit a fly ball. He then might be looking at extra innings with only one guy on the bench.

It's a reason. It goes against the win now philosophy, and also reveals the fundamental problem with this team: A whole lot of bad choices and a lot of .200 hitters. I was looking at that lineup and asking myself, are the Cubs really scared once they got past Rolen? I wouldn't be.

by knieriemd on Apr 28, 2007 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And why worry about Rolen when

as the Cubs announcers put it, you keep getting "pitcher's strikes" against him?

by sdrone on Apr 28, 2007 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also, Wilson love him or hate him

has a better chance of staying out of the DP than Spiezio does. Preston has already beat out his fair share of infield singles this year.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

not really

p dub hits the ball on the ground much more then speez. Speez had a gb % of 34.5 and 42.9% this season so far. wilson has had a gb% over 50% since 05

Future Redbirds

by erik on Apr 28, 2007 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think he was refering to

Prestons blazing speed.

Man, that move stunk.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 28, 2007 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh

me no speak no english

Future Redbirds

by erik on Apr 28, 2007 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only justification I can think of is

that he'd used Miles and Taguchi. He's going to have to pinch hit for Flores in a couple of AB's and if he uses Spiezio there he's emptied his bench except for Bennett. Could he have been worried about going extra innings w/ only Bennett on the bench?

I should make it clear -- I thought it was a horrendous move. i was calling for Spiezio at the time. I'm not defending LaRussa, just trying to explain what his thought process may have been.

I should also point out that, if LaRussa was worried about emptying his bench, isn't Edmonds/Spiezio OR Edmonds/Taguchi better than Taguchi/Wilson for those 2 AB's?

2 other things: if Rolen does his job, it's a moot point. In fact, Edmonds probably bats w/ a tie game and at least 1 runner on. So Rolen could've made that decision easier. 2nd -- if Edmonds' avg/slg/ops were even decent at this point would LaRussa have pinch-hit for him? Edmonds needs to start producing if he is at all capable!

by chuckb on Apr 28, 2007 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

good point

the inability of Rolen to do the job, and the inability of Edmonds to hit lefties made TLR make a choice that he shouldn't've had to make.

that said, i'd rather've seen Schumacher squeeze than Wilson. everybody in the world knew that was a K coming.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Molina

is now hitting .276 and is second on the team in OBP at .377.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 10:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

bat him lead off -

and we'd have the slowest #1 hitter in the history of the sport

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 28, 2007 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If he and Pudge got into a foot race

the world may start spinning backwards.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yadi

Hopefully he has righted his ship for good. Lets hope. A consistent stick to go with his defensive excellence....... wow! Hopefully we will be able to keep him away from the Yankees. A lotta hopes in this text. Heho. Come on Cards...... go get em!

by Yadier on Apr 28, 2007 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

re: PW vs. Speez

for LaRussa April is for mind games and letting guys prove themselves, it's like an extended ST...

Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 28, 2007 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

But then...

...wouldn't it be a good time to bring in Skip?

See what he can do other than be there for the days that Lurch forgets he's tall and stuff.

by Harknights on Apr 28, 2007 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

in that case

if it were truly extended spring training...narveson would've made keislers starts this year.

by lopey986 on Apr 28, 2007 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Telecast of today's game

An earlier reminder than last week to those of you looking for the game that are, like me in LA, with the Yankees/RedSox and not the Cardinals/Cubs on Fox--this week again, Fox-E (in Spanish) has the Cardinals game--I think that it's 616 on Direct TV and should be somewhere in your cable system

As to the game last night, hard to disagree with LBoros and I don't--however, the press room eschange was beyond arrogance for LaRussa, who obviously didn't have a good night--however, I hadn't read the Goold piece when I saw the exchange, but then did, and it was so obviously in fun (Pinella said as much) that the Tony response and then explosion was in as poor a judgment that I have seen in a long time from a manager or head coach--now I recognize that reading some of the comments here last night that a healthy difference of opinion existed which is fine, but being here in LA for 35 years (which is nowhere near NY interms of media criticism)makes you realize how LaRussa and team get pretty much a free pass from the St. Louis media--Miklasz is one of the few that I have heard or seen who is honest--it's probably a good thing that Tony doesn't read this blog (or any for that matter that doesn't constantly praise his team or refrain from creating bulletin board material--which the Goold article was not) or he would have to go manage Memphis--I invite anyone to read Page Two of the LA Times and T.J. Simers who in the past few years has taken on Hall of Famers like Phil Jackson of the Lakers, Jeff Kent of the Dodgers (yes, he's headed to the Hall), etc.--just can't believe that it's such a different world--and gee, somehow, all of those people seem to still be able to talk to the press and get along--I think that what really bothers me and must bother some of the rest of you is that the Cardinals have some obvious issues and while it is impossible for a manager to be right in his decisions all of the time, Tony thinks that he is above question-- however I don't believe one very lucky World Series win (for which I am eternally thankful) after a virtual total collapse that had most of us hoping beyond hope that we wouldn't be explaining an el foldo greater than the 1964 Phillies does NOT get LaRussa a free pass--after game decisions last night and this season with a head in the sand approach again beginning like last year with sending Marquis out time after time to an above 6 ERA, a refusal to play youth until absolutely forced to do so makes you begin to wonder if indeed it isn't time for a change for LaRussa--no comments necessary as to he isn't going anywhere now--I fully understand, but all of us should understand that So, Skip and PW are going to continue to be sent out as will our leadoff man, who Joe Strauss suggested on FSN the other day is not healthy or right-perhap since the concussion last year--even if MV3 starts to hit better, a leadoff man with a very below average OBP is going to be deadly as it is already but has not been as noticeable given that the middle of the lineup has been so bad--I am very concerned that Tony's loyalty--let's call that for what it is, though--stubborness-will again interfere with better judgment--apparently this season may well be a ride like late last summer--let's see if we can get a win today and not get Zambrano back on track

by MortLA on Apr 28, 2007 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

My eyes hurt trying to read that.

Interesting perspective, but nest time would you mind breaking your thoughts into more than one sentence and more than one paragraph?

I agree with your point of the "near colapse" of last year-- we were only a Smoltz away from a much dreaded playoff with Houston. But TLR did seem to do an amazing job of managing the team once we hit the playoffs. I only recall two major mis-steps last fall: starting A-Rey in game 4 of the NLCS and not pinch-hitting for Yadi in the ninth inning of Game 2 in the WS. And as it turns out the former move was probably critical to set up the game WS victory.

As far as TLR thinking he is above question, I think that is somewhat fair criticism, but I never saw a Manger who liked being second-guessed.

by Zubin on Apr 28, 2007 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

breaking text into paragraphs...

...makes it much easier to read.

tough loss last night. i was hoping to see spiezio there instead of wilson, but he did hit the cubs well last weekend and did have a hit off dempster. yes, he's hitting in the low .200s, but few people on the team have been hitting that well.

there were a lot of "almosts" in that game, and they just didn't turn out the right way. every now and then we will win some of these close ones.

still waiting for reyes to get his act together. and i can't believe this is the same jason marquis. perhaps he had a brain transplant in the offseason.

by willievinceterry on Apr 28, 2007 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Marquis will be

terrible again soon. So far this year:

.29 HR9
.233 BABIP
80% LOB
.210 Opp BA
1.08 K/BB

Anyway, he's not a very good pitcher.

by plh903 on Apr 28, 2007 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Was that the Cubs' first 1-run win?

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 28, 2007 1:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Since the final score was 5-3,

I'm guessing it wasn't.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 28, 2007 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Touche

I knew something wasn't right as soon as I posted that. But I feel like I read on BCB that they haven't even won a 2-run game yet.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 28, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

PW

Wilson provided more offense than anyone else in the first two games at Wrigley, at least according to WPA. See the WPA game graphs on fangraphs.com. I would have preferred to see Spiezio in his place as well, but that's one reason to give Wilson the chance.

by Don Zero on Apr 28, 2007 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm sorry...

the only thing I could read in that post was La Russa something....
All that aside, I haven't seen or read about the exchange, and frankly could give a fat rat's ass about it. Tony and Bernie have been banging heads as long as he's been there, so what's new?

by cardsrul on Apr 28, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I guess

it's a way of avoiding talking about all the mistakes and bad plays the Cards made last night.

But I'm w/ you, I couldn't possibly care less about that ridiculous soap opera stuff.

by chuckb on Apr 28, 2007 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ugh

WXIX in Cincinnati, a market in the NL CENTRAL is showing the Yankees-Red Sox game.

Why does MLB TV have to blackout all games on FOX? Not that I have that option but for all over the air games, they should make those available online for free since they would be blacked out otherwise.

This stinks!

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah,

same thing here in Austin, where most of the locals follow the Astros. This is stupid. If you want to block out the Yanks-BoSox game, fine. but to not let us get Cardinals-Cubs on mlb.tv is stupid. Maybe I'll see if they're carrying the game on the local spainish station. Sometimes they do.

I bet that the only affiliates carrying Cardinals-Cubs are the ones in Missouri, Illinois, Iowa and Arkansas.

by Valatan on Apr 28, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's in the MLB deal w/Fox.

E-x-c-l-u-s-i-v-i-t-y. They wanted it. They have it.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 28, 2007 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Visiting from BCB

I'm going to re-post here -- this is at the end of last night thread, and it might be ignored.

One poster said:

"Losing To The Cubs Is The Worst Thing In The World."

Why? You have more than a few rings in your pocket. A loss in April to a team which is struggling is just that -- a loss in April.

Losing the World Series, or NLCS is a far worse fate. But, it's nice to get there -- which you have many times. I hope I get a chance to see that -- A series -- sometime.

I'm surprised by the amount of angst going on here. You are the Champs, try to enjoy it. Not every team wins every year, and the Cardinals certainly are still the front runners.

I can understand the frustration of losing to a player you hated -- I've been there. But, for whatever reason, Jason Marquis looks to be pretty effective this year. He looked very good in Mesa, too.

If he had mechanical problems, they seem to be solved. Let's face it -- he's pitching, and the Cubs 2 so-called 'aces' are in the hospital, never to be seen again.

For that alone, Marquis gets style points for at least getting out to the mound...

Unfortunately, Fox SD has decided to carry 'the other game.' So, enjoy....

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 28, 2007 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

As phl said above

So far this year:

.29 HR9
.233 BABIP
80% LOB
.210 Opp BA
1.08 K/BB

He's, as they say, doing it with smoke and mirrors. Unfortunately, two of those have been against the Cardinals.

I'm sure somewhere Jason thinks his defense let him down and he was real gritty 'earning' that win last night.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cardinals-Cubs rivalry

brings out the best in some, the worst in some, and both in some.

Don't take it personnaly, such comments just underscore how much the rivalry means to both teams.

by Zubin on Apr 28, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh no, not personal at all

There was angst directed toward your own team -- by Cardinals fans. Criticism, sure, I can see that, but there has been so much downright
'sky is falling' stuff this season, for no reason.
I've visited a bunch of times this year, and have noticed that a lot. (I expect negative stuff toward the Cubs, but that's absolutely normal, and part of the game. No problem there.)

Many of the Cubs 'fans' on BCB (and other blogs, for the most part) seem to be negative, and obviously, there are multiple reasons. I try to lean away from that stuff -- when there are hard points of discussion, you have to talk 'em over, but the usual -- this sucks, that sucks -- I have no use for that.

But I didn't expect so many Redbird fans dissing their own team, that's what I meant.

I know the bar is high -- but, an outside observer, there isn't reason to panic. Besides, if if things don't go as expected -- again, there are multiple rings to look back on.

I'm not going to admit my age, but as a little kid I had a Lou Brock Cubs baseball card. (And still have it) So, I haven't seen a lot of positive stuff.

However, if I was a fan of a team that had the track record of the Cardinals, I sure wouldn't be so quick to show so much venom to a slow start to a season.

Just some thoughts. Enjoy your successes, don't forget them.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 28, 2007 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks so much

for your concern. But have no fear: the vast majority of us have been and will continue to thoroughly enjoy our World Championship(s)--all ten of them. It's rather impossible not to. The angst you see here is mostly skin-deep, nothing like the "to the bone" stuff you all have going on at BCB. And that's as it should be; 99 years is a long time. As for Marquis, you guys haven't really met his evil twin yet. The reason he got on our bad side isn't that he was consistently awful, but because he does just what he's doing now--throw good games to start a season. He was our best pitcher for the first couple of months last year. BUT just about the time you trust him when you really need him to come through, he will screw the pooch--several times in a row. Then he will again pitch a gem or two, thereby re-gaining your trust, only to screw the pooch again--several times in a row. The "it's early" mantra actually does apply to this subject. You'll all meet Betty soon enough. He didn't get demoted to the pen and left off the roster completely in consecutive World Series drives simply because TLR didn't like his face. Whatever. Thanks again for your concern, but I think we'll all be just fine. Do come back in September and let us know how Marquis' mechanics are looking then :-)

by rockin redbird on Apr 28, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Doesn't that sort of make him

The archetypal Cub pitcher?

by geronimopena on Apr 28, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Last night.

Would it NOT have made sense to pinch-hit with Gooch and squeeze last night? I know it would have just tied the game, but we would have had a 4-4 score and a man on second with only one out. Aren't you supposed to play for the tie at home?

I'm a man, a manly, manly, man. Unknown

by Eckstreem on Apr 28, 2007 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lineup??

anybody saw the lineup today??

by bennythejet on Apr 28, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

got it

miles ss
dunc lf
albert
rolen
edmonds
speezer rf
kennedy
molina
wainer

by bennythejet on Apr 28, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Carpenter Update w/quotes

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070428&content_id=1935013&vkey=news_ stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl

Carpenter threw around 70 pitches with a break in the middle of the session and will now wait until Sunday to see if the elbow swells up. The last time Carpenter threw a bullpen session was in Houston, and after the session he felt fine, but the next morning the elbow swelled up and forced the Cards to put Carpenter on the DL.

Tomorrow morning is the big test. If Carp wakes up with no swelling, he's one step closer.

If Carpenter does throw another successful bullpen in Milwaukee[Tuesday], La Russa wasn't sure whether or not the right-hander would make a rehab start at Triple-A Memphis or one of the Cardinals' other affiliates. The manager stressed that Carpenter's health is the most important thing.

If he throws the bullpen session Tuesday, his 5th day would be Sunday vs Houston (should they skip a rehab assignment). If he takes an assignment on Sunday, his day would be Friday at the Padres.

The interesting thing is that if they bumped Reyes up and have him pitch on his 4th day along with throwing Wainwright Wednesday, Carpenter's turn would actually come up Sunday (where Keisler would have pitched).

I doubt that he will get through this bullpen session today or Tuesday without a hitch, though.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Adam :)

Never mind. Nothing to see here. As you were, gents.

Sparks of Dementia Cards, A's, and Rockies coverage by an amateur if very enthusiastic blogmistress, myself.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Just Me?

i had a bunch of people over to my house last night, and we all thought Spiezio's fly ball was fair last night. FSN didn't have a great angle, but we rewound it on DVR and watched it in slow-motion about 10 times. every time, we all thought the ball disappeared behind the pole, which would make it fair.

nobody complained, so maybe i just got fooled by the bad angle. but i'm still not convinced. anybody got a perspective.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I've replayed it as much as you and I never see the ball cross in front of the foul pole.

Since no one at the game complained, I assumed it was foul no matter what. However, usually you can see the ball pass in front of the yellow line.

I never see it on this play.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hardcore, you're pretty good with these things...

I didn't see the game. Any chance you would be able to put a picture of the homer that wasn't up? I was listening on the radio (via the net) and Mike Shannon sounded like he was going to have a heart-attack after Spiezio hit that ball; he was seriously more excited than I've ever heard him, World Series included.

by matt reeder on Apr 28, 2007 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It would be pointless

on my television, it looked fair. The ball never passed in front of the pole to show it was foul.

It must have been, because no one got too upset but I there is nothing I can show to prove it.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rats.

Rats. Well, it must have been foul, since nobody really contested it.

Also, I think Wagonmaker is due for a big game. I'm calling it now.

by matt reeder on Apr 28, 2007 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

mlbtv

was too grainy; never even saw the ball at all, just the reaction from the fans. They seemed to think it was fair...

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 28, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I should be using

the last ten minutes before the game starts to finish my homework, since it sure as hell won't happen afterwards.

Am I? Nah.

Sparks of Dementia Cards, A's, and Rockies coverage by an amateur if very enthusiastic blogmistress, myself.

by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

good, no wilson starting

that takes out the automatic out.

the great news is yadi is no longer an automatic out

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Karstens vs Wakefield

for most of America! Yippee!

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

wow

I'm still trying to figure out when Seattle became Red Sox / Yankees territory.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Apr 28, 2007 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i hear ya

it's an AL game in cincy...doesn't make since since it's not cleveland

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention

There's a common hatred here for both the Red Sox and the Yankees. The only reason they ever dare watch the Yankees is to see A-Rod fail, and by the looks of this season, it's going to be a very disappointing game to watch.

Might as well dish out some lovable Cardinals / Cubs action to them,

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Apr 28, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i gave in and bought the audio feed

i was hoping for four straight national games. how fox decides regional territory for national games is beyond me.

don't they get that a lot of us are tired of the "baseball is only boston and new york" line.

do i mute fox or do i mute the nfl draft?

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's the most exciting rivarly in sports!

If you' haven't cought Yanks-Sox fever, you aren't a real baseball fan!

Or something.

by Valatan on Apr 28, 2007 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

at some point you have to realize

CBS does better at regional coverage than FOX.

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

karstens down on the first hit for new york

the ball went RIGHT at him.

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

looks like his knee

no idea if he will stay in or it becomes a bullpen game now.

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, this is going to be fun

good choice on picking Yankees/Red Sox again.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

looks like he's staying in

i give him 4 innings before being pulled

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's gone

Joe Torre just sent his resume to Monster.com.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i just saw

Redbirds Fun
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2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So, anyone watching the game

what happened to Duncan? Heard he dropped the ball after colliding into the wall.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Gameday shows that Soriano's double

was in some guys beer 7 rows deep.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He didn't actually catch it

It was right in front of the bullpen and he knocked the door open.

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Was it a tough play?

or did he just lose track of where he was?

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It wasn't easy

but he probably should have caught it. A more experience outfielder catches it but he looked like he was concerned with running into the wall (understandable) which is funny because he basically ran through it.

Not like that minor league outfielder that ran straight through the wall about 15 years ago, but the big guy ended up in the bullpen.

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

update on NYY

Karstens does not even last a third of an inning

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

'Adjectives' is such a tough word, Mike

Love ya, Moonman!

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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

bad call

Aramis was out.
and quit talking about the f-ing nyy

"Left-hander, right-hander, soft thrower, power guy, fastballs away, fastballs in-- [Albert Pujols] doesn't have any holes." - Tino Martinez

by _pistol_ on Apr 28, 2007 4:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Who is at 1st?

Don, Phil or someone else? :D

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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Phil Cuzzi

How couldn't I guess?

How do we keep ending up with this guy?

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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and that means

he'll be behind the plate tomorrow night.

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

phil cuzzi per gameday box score

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

damn

this sure SOUNDS like an exciting game.

gotta love when the audio announcers are yelling with excitement and I get the joy of Red Sox / Yankees.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Apr 28, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

speaking of

can anyone shed details on the Pujols play?

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Apr 28, 2007 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cubs had 1st and 2nd, 1 out

ARam grounds to Rolen. He steps on bag and throws to first wide and high to Pujols' right (sorta toward the right field corner). Pujols jumps to catch the ball and then dives back with his glove to first.

His glove hit first a split-second before ARam's foot. However, it did look like Pujols shielded the base from the 1st base up during the play.

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Runners on 1st 2nd

Ground ball to Rolen, should have been an easy 2. Stepped on 3rd lobbed a terrible throw to first. Pujols came off the bag to get it, dove back and tagged the bag with his golve. He was out but they called him safe.

by rw on Apr 28, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

NY trade

melky cabrera for narvy or someone?

by johnstonburg on Apr 28, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bernie says Narveson

may be starting Tuesday.

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by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i like narvy

but we just don't seem to ever have the room to give him a chance. i could see NY biting, maybe if we tossed encarnacion plus money too

by johnstonburg on Apr 28, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

why?

unless we're giving up preston wilson or juan encarnacion, there's no point to trade a prospect for a bench player

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're right

his stats aren't as good as i thought. plus, he's doing worse than last year.

by johnstonburg on Apr 28, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cabrera

is three years younger than our "prospect", and he put up a 100 OPS+ in the majors as a 21-year-old. If he were in AAA putting up those numbers would you make the trade?

by DanUpBaby on Apr 28, 2007 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

rolen

needs to give the wagonmaker a hug. I had a feeling that inning was destined for catastrophe.

"Left-hander, right-hander, soft thrower, power guy, fastballs away, fastballs in-- [Albert Pujols] doesn't have any holes." - Tino Martinez

by _pistol_ on Apr 28, 2007 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

after 22 picks, Brady Quinn is still on the board.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wonder if the Patriots bite

and make him a backup.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i thought he would have been picked by now

now do the colts go with offense or do they go with defense?

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

sorry...

... he went at 22. Dallas traded their pick to Cleveland.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good move by Cleveland

they should have taken him @3.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

evidently not...

... if they can get him at 22.

i'm not sure Quinn is any better than Frye anyway.

for those interested, Rams took Carriker, DE from Nebraska.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Frye is terrible

He had a few good games and that made him some sort of cult hero in Cleveland. As the bad games continued to mount, it became apparent that he can't lead a team.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

right...

... and i'm not sure Quinn is any better. ;)

i like Quinn alright, and he may turn out to be a stud. but Cleveland had to give up their 2nd round pick this year and next year's 1st rounder.

the best thing about this is that Browns got Joe Thomas to protect him. that alone will probably make Quinn better than Frye.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is this another instance of a Cubs CF

making a ridiculous catch against Pujols?

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

it was a good catch, not rediculous

very hard hit line drive dead center. he went back about 15 steps and got it. but it was mashed. zambrano is up in the zone.

satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 28, 2007 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well....

That was a quick inning....? C'mon boys, you CAN hit. I actually do have evidence of this, as few and far between as it may be. In the meantime, go Adam! Let's not have any more adventures out there, mkay?

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

damn, an 8 pitch walk...

the cubs are looking at some pitches.

by gentry13 on Apr 28, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice turn by Miles

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wainer

Won't make it beyond the 5th at this pace.

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by stltrav09 on Apr 28, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Cubs are

really making him work. They're taking a lot of pitches and he's already at 41, not to mention that Blanco just got a hit and he hasn't looked very sharp to start with.

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You know, they're talking on Fox

about Tony wearning number 10 for the World Series. Has anyone noticed The Secret Weapon wears number 11?

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We can only hope

he will lead us to #11. Well.. at least that's what I'd like to see.

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by stltrav09 on Apr 28, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd prefer to see him lead us to #15

in 6 years.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've felt all along that he would replace

TLR, when he decides to hang it up. I just hope Tony doesn't hang around too long and somebody gives Oquendo an offer too good to refuse.

Just wouldn't be right, IMO.

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm afraid

this will be the case.

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by stltrav09 on Apr 28, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fantastic observation

I have a sneaking suspicion that 07 might be Tony's last yr. If that's the case, I'd be okay w/ Oquendo.

"Left-hander, right-hander, soft thrower, power guy, fastballs away, fastballs in-- [Albert Pujols] doesn't have any holes." - Tino Martinez

by _pistol_ on Apr 28, 2007 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

44 pitches through 2 innings?

Could be a short day for Wainer.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

ARod strikes out with runner @ 1st and 2nd

Jeter gets gunned at 3rd on a strike 'em out/throw 'em out.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Zambrano - 17 pitches

through 4 batters.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jimmy Ballgame

doing his best to inflate the total.

He gets out. But at least he made Zambrano throw a few.

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

26 pitches through 6 batters

Could be a long day.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no, he's up

someone will hit a homerun off of him. plus, he'll walk some guys.

satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 28, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mike Shannon knows that Moises Alou

wasn't a Cub last year, right?

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

10 pitch inning

Much better

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Wainer needed that big time. If he can do it again next inning that would be huge.

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by stltrav09 on Apr 28, 2007 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

1-2-3 inning for Wainer

Hopefully he can settle in and hang in there for a while.

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

that ball was literally on the ground.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

which one?

the one Kennedy hit?

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I actually thought i saw it bounce

before Kennedy made contact

Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Apr 28, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ugh

wells vs. hill tomorrow night. hopefully, kip can have a better game than he did tuesday night

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Gift

Let's take advantage.

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by stltrav09 on Apr 28, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

nice

runner in scoring position as a result of the PB

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

so much for that

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

C'mon Adam

Now is a perfect moment to help yourself out.

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ahh shit

Wainer gets a hit, but Kennedy already picked off.

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm sick of our aggresive base-running.

maybe it's time for the cards to become a station to station team. the aggressive route clearly isn't working for us.

by gentry13 on Apr 28, 2007 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

From what people are saying

and Moonman/Rooney are saying, Kennedy was safe.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did somebody clone Cuzzi

and put him at second too?

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

6 stolen bases, 7 caught stealing...

as a team. at this point i don't care whether ak was safe or not.

by gentry13 on Apr 28, 2007 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

D'ya Think?

We lose two baserunners last night (and how many on the season?), we're 6 out of 14 in stolen base attempts (43% success rate) ... Kennedy is picked off.

Is there a trend here?

We need Vince Coleman as a running coach!

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 28, 2007 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid

Kennedy has been a horrible base-runner so far this year.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lazy

a simple slide - that's all that was needed.

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by _pistol_ on Apr 28, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

phantom tag

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by stltrav09 on Apr 28, 2007 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

on the replay

kennedy's foot WAS on the bag!!

Base hit for Adam

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Jaime Garcia's 5th inning in Springfield

2 ER, 1 HR, 1 BB, 3 Ks, and 3 wild pitches. Pretty strange stat line.

by CardFaninVA on Apr 28, 2007 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I get so scared

everytime a fly ball is hit to the OF that's not to center.

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by stltrav09 on Apr 28, 2007 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

waino retired 7 in a row

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice job Kid W!

Way to settle in!

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wainer

needed that big time! Now let's get the kid some runs!

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by stltrav09 on Apr 28, 2007 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

c'mon pooooo

I just got back from the Cardinals Clubhouse in branson. That's a hard store to not spend money in.

by effin fisk on Apr 28, 2007 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If I won the lottery

I would spend it on baseball stuff. After paying off college bills and buying a house and a car and boring stuff like that.

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i'm hoping to get to a game this season

all i know is that with the money i make this upcoming year, i am spending some of it on a baseball road trip...and cardinals memorabilia since I'll finally be able to afford a Pujols rookie card!

I'm doing Americorps for a year so that takes care of some student loans...thank G-d.

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

our big bats can do nothing.

that was effing weak.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We have a pitcher's duel.

satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 28, 2007 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Where was

the K on Pujols?

Gamecast says it was about 5 ft. wide and 2 ft. high.

by Harknights on Apr 28, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

that's about right.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great slider

by Z. Impossible to lay off and really wasn't that far off the plate.

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by stltrav09 on Apr 28, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alright, now lets get a 2 pitch DP

and then a 3 pitch pop up.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lost the batters-retired streak

It's okay, Adam, start a new one... and walking Blanco wouldn't be part of that. Kindly don't.

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I hadn't seen that press conference

Maybe if we have a few more like that, ESPN and FOX will recognize that there's a lot more fire in this rivalry than they realized.

by effin fisk on Apr 28, 2007 5:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Duncan's gonna kill himself one of these days...

... with that Grady Sizemore routine.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Kinda looked like the play

Rowand broke his nose on.

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

uh oh

not good

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Henry.

fucking. Blanco. You serious right now Adam?

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by stltrav09 on Apr 28, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Argh....

Given our offense, that could be bad.

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

haha

it sucks that the cubs are losing now, but watching duncan flail after missing that catch was priceless. I hope it didn't knock his stitches loose.

ouch. it looked a lot more painful on the replay. Sorry for laughing big guy...

by effin fisk on Apr 28, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Cubs aren't losing now.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

wishful thinking

Can a Freudian slip apply to baseball?

by effin fisk on Apr 28, 2007 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Henry Blanco has seen 16 pitches in 2 ABs

next time up, let's just hit the guy with the 1st pitch and move on.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

below lower than low?

by tnek5 on Apr 28, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How is it...

...that the Cubs have more walks than we do?

by Harknights on Apr 28, 2007 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Cubs...

have more talent in their lineup and a superior pitcher on the mound.

Sorry to have to point that out.

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by guayzimi on Apr 28, 2007 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

waino done soon?

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I'd imagine

walking the bases loaded, Johnson in to face Floyd.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this is driving me crazy

by tnek5 on Apr 28, 2007 5:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this sucks

by tnek5 on Apr 28, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Game. Over.

Cubs will have a 5-run inning, and we ain't coming back from that.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

waino is probably done for the day

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If the Cards can't hit Marquis -

they sure as hell aren't going to touch Zambrano. He's breezing thru the heart of the order for the most part.

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 28, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

he didn't like it....

"i don't like it"

by tnek5 on Apr 28, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

what the hell is

Wainwright doing? I can't see the game, of course.

by madding on Apr 28, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Daaah...

No. I do not like this.

It isn't the seven runs of last time, but Wainer, you're going to be seeing the Cubs a lot... you'd better figure them out.

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

TJ in for AW

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Hmm

don't know what to say other than that Wainwright simply must pitch better than this for the Cards to have a chance to win. He spends his day either nibbling around the plate or lobbing fat pitches.

by JMedwick on Apr 28, 2007 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

all I saw was

blue dots straight in the middle of the strike zone on gameday.

by madding on Apr 28, 2007 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This has been the Season From Hell (small sample)

for those poor fans who fill Busch for every game. Have the Cards ever started out this inept at HOME? Precious little to enjoy - less to cheer about. It seems like they're at least a .500 team at home no matter how putrid the overall record is.

Only Kip Wells between us and a sweep tomorrow. Yipe!

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 28, 2007 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You would think that since Girardi

grew up in Peoria, he'd know that it doesn't take 3 hours to get to either Chicago or St. Louis.

Maybe he has to make a couple of pee stops?

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i thought it was 3 hrs

south of chicago, east of st. louis, and west of indianapolis

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nope

2 hours with no stops.

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bradley is in Peoria

http://www.bradley.edu/visit/
Bradley is within three hours driving distance from Chicago or St. Louis

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Look

I live in Chicago and drive to Peoria 4 or 5 times a year. It's NEVER taken me anywhere close to 3 hours.

But, if you want to take the word of the Bradly University website that says its "within 3 hours" then sobeit.

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Shannon sounds defeated

halfway through the game.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

^Of course he would

because thats how we all feel. The Cards are luck it took untill the 5th for the Cubs to get a big lead.

by JMedwick on Apr 28, 2007 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No fair

Jones has been up this inning.

by Harknights on Apr 28, 2007 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

What happened on that

"Groundball to Rolen"?

I'm watching Gameday.

by bgh on Apr 28, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ay yi yi

I..... think I may be done with this one.

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by Scarlet the Cardinal on Apr 28, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Cubs fans absolutley hate Jones

Would anyone like to see him playing right field for the Cards?

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No

He's Juan.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

When is it Juan's turn to bat?

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Helllllllllllllll...

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by guayzimi on Apr 28, 2007 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

see your own signature

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Established..

in getting on base once in a while is what I was referring to...

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by guayzimi on Apr 28, 2007 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's nice to see the Cubs can get up for a

Cubs/Cards game.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

right.

at least the NHL playoffs are on.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

this sucks

i think i'm done

by tnek5 on Apr 28, 2007 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If you're going to walk them

Just hit them and get it over with.

Are we really this bad?!?

by Harknights on Apr 28, 2007 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i'm not giving up

but i'm not too optimistic on this one either

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by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We Suck

We Suck really bad. I know that it is very insightful as a post but I don't know anyway around it. Our pitching is terribly inconsistent if not flat out bad. Our middle of the lineup has no pop at all. It wouldn't matter if our 3-4-5 guys were hitting because they have no one to hit in.

I guess I'll root on the local AHL team in the playoffs.

by Brownale on Apr 28, 2007 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Anyone getting concerned...

about the starting pitching?

Wells is at 4.70, Wainwright 6.14, Reyes 5.73, and Keisler/Carp 6.21. And Narveson or maybe Cate is coming up... oh yeah, and Looper is our ace.

Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 28, 2007 5:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i think they can

work it out, but clearly wainwright is out of sorts mechanically, reyes can't throw 100 pitches in less the 5, and kip wells regressed to the mean in a nasty way lately. looper certainly can't keep up this good run he is on forever and so on and so forth. with the team's inability to score runs i'm afraid things could get worse before they get better.

Future Redbirds

by erik on Apr 28, 2007 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kip Wells vs. Rich Hill

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6301
3-3 against the Cubs in 14 starts
In 85.1 innings, he has a 3.06 ERA with 67 Ks and 28 walks
Rich is 0-0 in two starts and three games played against St. Louis
In 12 innings, he has a 5.11 ERA with 3 K's and 6 walks with 7 ER and 2 HR

Redbirds Fun
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2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 5:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He's left-handed and pretty good

He'll eat us alive!

by chuckb on Apr 28, 2007 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alright Yadi

Let's put some runs on the board and turn this thing over to the top of the order.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

someone tell kennedy

that edmonds is on base in front of him right now, so he doesn't have to lead off so far this time.

by effin fisk on Apr 28, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

good AB by yadi

bad luck.

by effin fisk on Apr 28, 2007 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

just can't catch a break

sigh.

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 28, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

which is...

About all we've had this series. That, and some poorly-played baseball.

by matt reeder on Apr 28, 2007 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow!

Am I ever glad I got to see that!!

by Big Red on Apr 28, 2007 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Can't catch a break?

You're the friggin' World Champs! I'll say it again, I don't get all the complaining.

visiting from BCB

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 28, 2007 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No team should EVER be satisfied

with a losing record. i love this team, and want to see them play to their potential.

by effin fisk on Apr 28, 2007 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Last year vs next year

Last year's championship won't get the Cardinals an extra hit, run, or win this season.

If you don't expect the team to win everyday, then you'll never be disappointed.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ya know

We've had a ridiculous number of line drive double plays this year and Yadi's was just another of a long series. What are we supposed to say, "oh nice, another line DP"?

I have pity for you, since your team can't ever pull it together for a full season and because you had to endure a terrible season last year. However, you are being a bit unsportsmanlike at this point.

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 28, 2007 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why am I still sitting here listening to this game

The liklihood that they score 2 runs, let alone 7 is slim.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

you're

not the only one asking themself that question.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Apr 28, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

effing Red Wings just won too...

... everything is going badly.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I knew there was something

we could agree on.

"Hockeytown" my ass.....

Wonder what the folks in Canada think when they hear that?

"Crappytown" might be more appropriate.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Apr 29, 2007 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

it figures

that we'd be the team who gets Zambrano back on track

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Apr 28, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Anyone notice Wainwright's velocity is down???

His fast ball is consistently in the 88-90 range for at least the last four starts - I haven't been able to see this game, but the highlight (the one measly highlight) that Fox has run showed him through an 88mph fastball right down central....

by cardsfaninmass on Apr 28, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

to be expected...

... it's early in the season, and he's a starter now. he can't got out and let 'er rip for an inning like he could last year.

more troubling to me is that his curveball isn't tight at all and he can't throw it for a strike.

by kindred on Apr 28, 2007 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

From champs to last place?

Has it ever happened? If not, this team has a hell of a good chance of doing it. This team is awful in every department you can keep a stat for. Nothing at AAA. Nothing to trade at the major league level. It's going to be a long, long season with little hope for improvement for next year.

Thankfully we got the title just before our window of opportunity closed. That window is now officially closed.

by deanj on Apr 28, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

yes, it's happened

are you familiar with the Florida Marlins?

And no, it's not going to happen. We're not that awful. It's only April. That simple. You don't have that much confidence in the Pirates, do you?

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Apr 28, 2007 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

'86 to '87 Angels also did it

by Zubin on Apr 28, 2007 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yay!

something happy to latch onto!

by effin fisk on Apr 28, 2007 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That's a start....

...as they say in Tee-Ball:

"Rally, Rally, Everybody gets a hit"
:D

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

256

2nd place outright

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 6:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

rally time

let's get it started in here!

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We need baserunners

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Alright speezer!

Goodbye Zambrono

by effin fisk on Apr 28, 2007 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The New York bullpen is busy

Thanks Mike, not sure what that has to do with anything.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

like someone stole his bicycle

that's one for the web page i think...

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 28, 2007 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on Yadi

hang up a crooked number.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If Yadi walks

Preston will hit a grandslam.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nevermind

Preston's teamates hate him so bad they keep ending the inning before he can bat.
:D

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

oh crap

preston's on deck. if molina keeps it alive, we're screwed. oh well, inning over so it's a moot point

Redbirds Fun
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2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

FOX Watch

That was unbelievable obnoxious. More than half the inning was shown in a little box at the corner of the screen while the rest of the screen and the audio was everyone waiting for A-Rod to pop out.

by liam on Apr 28, 2007 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

hancock goes 1-2-3

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

preston up

auto-out, proove me wrong, please

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

No such luck

Have to get 4 runs now with 1 out.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 28, 2007 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

er, prove

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

what happened to miles?

Redbirds Fun
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2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 28, 2007 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

This team is bad

I know that's not a revelation but I kept hoping they'd come out of it. Edmonds is bad. Eckstein is bad. Kennedy -- yuck! We have no right-fielder and no bench. The depressing thing is that I truly believe that, once we get behind, it's over. This team has no ability to come back b/c they cannot hit. I really never expected that we'd be this bad!

by chuckb on Apr 28, 2007 6:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Where was

Rolens fly ball?

by Harknights on Apr 28, 2007 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

deep center if i recall, just at the edge....

of the track. i thought it was an easy double, but that center fielder closes ground quickly.

satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 28, 2007 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i missed everything

NY vs BOS in columbus today. what the heck happened? they are still playing a little after 7pm on the east coast. why do those games always last 5 hours?

anyway, did the Cards really play that poorly? Big Z has had our number for the past few seasons. since his early blow ups he really has shut the Cards down. so I missed everything, anyone care to fill me in and relive the misery of the loss to the cubs?

The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 28, 2007 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well....not really....

basically, Wainwright had one really bad inning in which the cubs batted around and got some clutch hits, the last being a three-run triple with 2 outs by J. Jones off the wall in left-center.

The bats just couldn't get anything going, very few hardhit balls; one ball that was hardhit (Yadi) ended up in a double play, as the hit and run was on. Pujols hit a very long, but ultimately meaningless homerun in the 7th, just same trouble with the offense. Zambrano pitched to contact, 2 ks 0 bbs, and we couldn't get anything going. Wainwright still doesn't look sharp, looked to be falling off the mound and screwed up a bit mechanically, but he was mowing them down thru the first four. Sportscenter and the boxscore will do it for you. Frustrating.

satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 28, 2007 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs