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Game 18 Open Thread: April 22, 2007

wainwright

miller

1-1, 3.20

0-1, 9.00

erik's overbooked this weekend, so i'm filling in.

jason marquis is not the enemy here. he's just another pitcher; there's no more shame in getting shut down by him than there was in getting shut down by suppan last weekend, or even by non-ex-cardinal mediocrities like paul maholm and wandy rodriguez. he pitched a typical jason marquis game, and the cardinal lineup produced what has become its typical output. they did hit the ball pretty well, but that's of little consolation. how bad has it gotten? the second paragraph of this story in the sunday p-d says it all:

Juan Encarnacion, who would have been shopped last winter if not for wrist surgery in December, has become the Cardinals' missing cornerstone. The same team that won its final three World Series games with Encarnacion tethered to its bench now looks to him as the May answer for its April drought.
if that's the case, then why wait around for juan? i'm in favor of change for change's sake; gotta alter the dynamic. send schumaker down, bring rodriguez up, and start playing j-rod every day vs right-handed pitchers. move edmonds out of an rbi position until he demonstrates that he's healthy enough to sock the ball; per the p-d article cited above, the team recognizes his current limitations, so why pretend they're not there? bat him 2d, make duncan the cleanup hitter, drop rolen to 5th, slot j-rod / preston 6th. might not make things any better; couldn't make them any worse.

these are hardly overreactive measures; i fully understand the impulse to avoid panic, but there's a difference between avoiding panic and avoiding reality. last summer the cardinals were way too slow to make changes to the starting rotation, giving too much slack to veterans who (they presumed) simply needed time to work through their problems. the cards need every baserunner they can get right now.

wade miller is the type of pitch st louis ought to be able to score against ---- he's right-handed, relies on hard stuff, and lacks command. plus, it's sunday --- hitting day. a series win would make ev'ybody feel better.

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The thing that ticks me off...
the most about this ridiculous offense is that we are wasting what so far has been Dave Duncan's finest hour. Like a lot of people, I greeted the Wells signing with a "meh" and the Looper conversion with a "WTF" and so far both are turning out brilliantly. Almost makes you think we could just sign 5 retreads every year and let Duncan give you an above-average rotation for about $15 million bucks :) The problem is the Jrod move is about the only one we have in our pocket, it's not like we have better alternatives on the bench or in the minors at any other position. The one that I'm really worried about is Rolen, we owe him like $54 million over the next 4 years, so if for some reason he's hitting a big decline phase now we are screwed.

by mikedallas23 on Apr 22, 2007 9:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear Scott...
It's obvious you read my post today and didn't want me to worry. Thank you very much for your concern.

by mikedallas23 on Apr 22, 2007 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha
mike, i think rolen must've checked it before the game.  lol!!  keep it up scotty!!

edmonds must've read it too and thought you were talking about him.

by tainter on Apr 22, 2007 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Larry
It is apparent that a stir is all that can be done. No real shake up is possible. Sometimes a young enthusiastic  player can engergize a whole team.

After I read your post I checked the stats at Memphis. Jrod's numbers have been in steady decline all spring. Ryan Ludwick on the other hand has continued to perform. His walk to strike out ratio could be better, but this the only weekness I can see.

 Ankiel and Stavinoha have yet to impress, but that fact that Ankiel has nine hits and eight are for extra bases is interesting. Rick also needs to sharpen his eye and take more walks.

  I can't see any reason for keeping Schu on the 25 man roster, and his is the only roster spot that can be changed. Why Wait for JuanE?

 So I would trade out Ludwick for Shu, and give Ryan as many AB's as possible until JaunE returns. It's not a real shake up just a stir.

by nybirdfan on Apr 22, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same about Ludwick
the only problem with him is that he hits right-handed which makes it tough to platoon him anywhere but center.  Hmmm.  Then again, maybe that wouldn't be the worst thing.

Granted, anything would help and he's hitting good right now.  JRod is a lefty which could work in a platoon with P-Dub, but he's hitting .231 at Memphis with 1 home run.

by Big Red on Apr 22, 2007 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as of this morning
Jrod is hitting .200. His OBP is a respectable .351, but with 1 homer and 2 rbi I wouldn't give him the call.

by nybirdfan on Apr 22, 2007 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Down on the farm, I wonder if J-Rod knows ...
he's the subject of endless speculation among Card fans right now?

With a .200 avg, he better be surprised.

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 22, 2007 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

With ya on that
Right now, J-Rod may only be the third best OF in Memphis.  If Schu needs to be replaced because he is not going to make it in the bigs, then why send him down to Memphis to take a spot from a prospect?  And likewise, if J-Rod dissapointed last year with an inability to go deep, and he only has 1 hr so far at AAA, why should we suddenly think this is his year to make it in the majors? He might be better than Schu, So, and Pdub, but he's still not the answer.

Last year it took too long for lil dunc to get the chance to proove he should be there.  He could have been rookie of the year if we hadn't been so conservative/cautious early.

Now we see the Cubs make their move.  Felix will stick in CF, and Sorianno will return at LF.  We need to move prospects up, and also rans out, not back down.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

J-Rod
I wouldn't worry about Rodriguez slumping at Memphis.  There's a decent chance that his slump has more to do w/ his frustration w/ still being at Memphis when the team is struggling so much offensively.  I think we all know what he can/would do at the major league level.

Maybe Ludwick's still the better choice b/c he's right-handed but I don't think Rodriguez's slump should be the deciding factor.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's an idea
Put all the slumpers is one place.  J-rod should get promoted for playing just like the stars on the big club.

Maybe in the interst of parity (or pity), the league should allow additional roster spots for every team that has multi-million dollar players hitting below the mendoza line.

Then we can promote slumping minor leaguers to help their self esteem as a way to get them out of the slump.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even know how to respond to this
except to say that I guess I wasn't clear.  Rodriguez is a better major league hitter than Ludwick is and has been throughout his career.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/ludwiry01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodrijo03.shtml

My point (I thought this was clear but perhaps not) was that the better hitter should be called up and that person is Rodriguez.  Regardless of his current slump, he'll be better at the major league level b/c he always has been.  I can't explain his current slump but to call Ludwick up over Rodriguez b/c he's been hotter over the last 5 or 10 games at AAA vs. the last 3 years at the major league level is silly.  I wasn't suggesting that he should be called up to "boost his self-esteem".  

Save the sarcastic shit for the p-d boards.  We're here to have an intelligent conversation.  Go to the p-d boards if you're looking to get your rocks off by denigrating others!

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ditto that
we're all frustrated about the team's slump, Birds on Bat. don't take your frustration out on other cardinal fans who happen to hold a different opinion from you.

by lboros on Apr 22, 2007 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you don't judge a guy's ability
on 30 at-bats. you judge him over the long haul.

in ryan ludwick has struck out in nearly 1/3 of his major-league at-bats (99 out of 334). last year, against triple A pitching, he struck out in almost exactly 1/3 of his at-bats (167 ks in 508 at-bats) and had significantly more strikeouts (167) than hits (135).

the fact that he's outhit rodriguez over 30 or 40 at-bats is meaningless. rodriguez is a better hitter with a better track record; i'll take him.

by lboros on Apr 22, 2007 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well excuse me
sorry to take so long to get back, i had to get some things done before game time.  i'll stop the sarcacism since we're all too sensitive when we're down.

frankly i believe that j-rod should have been on this club all month.  but the real point of my comments above are that i don't understand why you would send schu down to memphis.  if he can't stick in the majors now, why would we think he could later, and what purpose does it serve to have players at AAA that can't make it?

again, we've got a major league player stuck at AAA, while we have Schu wasting a roster spot now.  we need to move j-rod up and put another major league prospect in OF in Memphis. (because if we a had a prospect to replace So, we should).  Give Roy Hobbs a chance.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not sure
how much longer we will be waiting for JaunE. Who ever gets the call will mostly likely only be with to team until then. Therefore I say go with the hot bat

by nybirdfan on Apr 22, 2007 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another option
Well, Ryan Church was pulled in the 2nd inning of the Nat's game for "non-injury" reasons. This could indicate a trade, and I'd be all for that being a Walt move.

by roebirds on Apr 22, 2007 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Church
"Church Benched for Lack of Hustle"

He was dogging it on a grounder and Acta wanted to send a message to the team.

(That headline though... The parishioners just wanted to have somewhere to sit.)

by liam on Apr 23, 2007 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100%
Wade Miller is the type of pitcher we ought to hit, and hit hard -- relies on his fastball, little off-speed stuff.

And changing out Rodriguez or Ludwick for Skip and putting them in the lineup full-time has to be done.  Also, Duncan does need to move down to 4 and Edmonds up to 2.  I know Edmonds doesn't like hitting 2nd and LaRussa probably doesn't want to put too much pressure on Duncan to drive in runs, but right now it has to be done.  Edmonds still walks a fair amount and can get on base in front of Pujols -- maybe hitting him there will help shake him out a little.  Move Rolen to 5 -- he'll whine but so what?

Also, Miles has to play SS, at least for today.  Our leadoff spot is absolutlely abysmal right now.  How many times does LaRussa have to see Eckstein hit a weak pop fly before he's given a day or two off.  Eckstein's OBP right now is .307 and he's slugging a blistering .258.  He's making Brad Ausmus look like Bonds.  I know that Miles isn't the long-term answer to this problem, but he should play today and it's possible he can be a short-term answer.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Moving Duncan to 2nd kinda scares me
I think he getting the most out of hitting in front of Pujols right now and might struggle behind him.  Just look at his production with runners in scoring postion, or the bases loaded.  

For a guy hitting .320ish and with 3 home runs, I'd like to think he should have more than 5 rbi.  Granted, Eckstein could help that out but then again he could have easily added 2 to that total yesterday by hitting a single, which he so promptly did the next time up...with no one on.

by Big Red on Apr 22, 2007 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be really pissed/bummed right now...
if it weren't for the fact that we stole the World Series last year.

Until the talent starts coming up through the minor league pipe, we're going to be a .500 team at best - and that's with Albert Pujols being Albert Pujols.

I'm not sure about Dave Duncan's finest hour. I'm pretty sure those 4 weeks last October > These 3 weeks in April - but yeah, this team is going to become 'unwatchable' real fast if the pitching (especially Looper) doesn't continue to outperform expectations.

and I'd be lying if I didn't think we should bring Roy Hobbs up at some point. I'd pay to watch an outfield of J-Rod, Duncan, and Ankiel. They may not win, but they'd beat watching P-dub, JuanEnc, and (washedup) Jimmy (not to mention Skip Schumaker).

Just for fun, career major league lines for Ankiel and Schumaker:

 87 AB, 9 R, 18 H, 1 2B, 1 3B, 2 HR, 9 RBI, 6 BB, 29 SO, .207/.258/.310 AVG/OBP/SLG, 44 OPS+
101 AB, 14 R, 20 H, 3 2B, 0 3B, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 8 BB, 9 SO, .198/.255/.257 AVG/OBP/SLG, 35 OPS+

by musial6 on Apr 22, 2007 10:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's time ...
to break out those special "sunday bats" ... cure for what ails.

(where do they keep those things?)

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 22, 2007 10:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In the...
"Sunday bat rack," of course!

The Cards are in a classic "team slump" right now... with Chris Duncan being the only exception. But "Slam Dunc" has lousy career numbers hitting with the bases loaded... (small sample size, yadda yadda) It's obvious that the entire team is pressing right now.

Hard as it is to say (and it's even harder to do,) the Birds need to find a way to relax at the plate. As lboros pointed out, there's nobody at Memphis smokin' the ol' pelota, either... so we got what we got.

Maybe Tony should pull the old Billy Martin trick of selecting the lineup by pulling names out of a hat... although I wouldn't mind seeing Edmonds batting 2nd and Duncan hitting 5th.

I remain convinced that this, too, shall pass. Pujols and Rolen are simply too good to continue to hit as they have; I'm convinced Edmonds will improve as he gets his legs back into shape; and the rest of the lineup will trend back up to their usual career levels.

But I admit, I'd like to see 'em start to do all that TODAY!!! <grin>

"A man should live forever, or die trying." -- Mike Callahan

by The Ol Goaler on Apr 22, 2007 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's time
for me to consider breaking out the special "sunday elixir"...possibly the cure for what ails me, considering watching the Cardinals right now is the equivalent of getting a tooth pulled with a piece of string and a slamming door.

But hey, it's a new day...it's Sunday...play ball. Go Wagonmaker.

Does anyone else here think that AW has more...mental toughness, I guess the term would be, than Anthony Reyes? It seems like Reyes isn't bothered by anything, which can be good...but in his case, especially relative to Wainwright, it looks more like apathy. AW actually seems to care about his performance.

by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 22, 2007 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Reyes
Might be trying to be something he's not. A sinker-baller. However, this is partially Duncan's fault but, in fairness, he can't make every pitcher pitch to contact (i.e. AW) Wagonmaker isn't going to be lights out every start but is still been fairly lights out and has a better ERA and record than Wade Miller, someone who's been at the MLB level for twice as long. But at the end of the day, we could have Bob Gibson pitching and still need offense to win. However, Gibson would probably win it with a walk off home-run in the 9th.
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2-seamer
I'm pretty sure the homer off of Reyes yesterday was a 2-seamer.  And, after the first inning, he calmed pretty nicely really.   Worked until the 6th.  Had good commmand.  Didn't walk anyone all game, and I think only one guy got to ball 3 after the first.   Not too shabby.  

I really hate that Bennett has become his personal catcher.  

by RedbirdRay on Apr 22, 2007 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I don't think Bennett should be anyone's personal catcher. Especially a developing one.
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree
It seems like Bennett should work with Wells not Reyes.  The young pitchers really need the best catcher out there calling the best possible game.

by OCCardsFan on Apr 22, 2007 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Molina/Reyes
and we saw what that combo did in the playoffs last year.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amaury Cazana Marti
can someone help me w/ this?  I know we've loaned him to Minatitlan of the Mexican League and he's playing quite well there -- .300/.408/.533.  He has 10 BB and 10 K in 60 AB and has 4 HR.  I'm wondering about the level of play in this league vs. AAA.  Is it about the same level or is the Mexican League like a 4-A league?  If there's a discussion about bringing up an OF, should Marti be in the conversation?

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 10:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am curious too
If you look at the Minor League baseball site it acts like the Mexican League is a AAA level league.  Are these all independent teams?  Are there examples of players actually going from these teams to the big leagues?

by OCCardsFan on Apr 22, 2007 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My Impression
was always that the Mexican League would be the weakest of the AAA leagues, whereas the Japanese leagues would be stronger than either the PCL or IL. (There's fewer ML-ready talent in the ML than in any of the other three, and more in the Japanese leagues than in the other three.)

I looked around for published weights for the Mexican league with no luck. You can look at guys like Jorge Toca and others who made the jump to the PCL and they tended to do worse in the PCL.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also
You've got to have a lot of stadia with hot air in the Mexican league--one would assume that the ball carries better there than it would in the states.

by Valatan on Apr 22, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know that it's seen
as triple-A quality ball. Don't know much more than that, but players go from the Mexican League to MLB a fair bit I believe although I don't have any numbers to support that offf hand. I don't think it's quite on the level of Nippon in Japan, but I think it's pretty close.

by plh903 on Apr 22, 2007 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today's starter?
Who's this Wainwright fellow?  Did we do something with Wagonmaker?  

by raisin on Apr 22, 2007 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

John Gall
his OPS is .938 for Albuquerque.  

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 10:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Small Typo
"wade miller is the type of pitch st louis ought to be able to score against"

I believe you meant "pitcher". And while we're at it, I think Bill Dewitt should be added to the poll.

I think that if the Cardinals are able to score today against the Cubs and win in a high intensity game, then the bats would liven up just a bit. As they say, hitting is contagious.

I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your lineup Iboros
I think it's time to shake things up and Jimmy to the 2 spot and Duncan at 4 seem like at least some sensable shakeup...hope we see something different
Unless you use local guides, you cannot get the advantages of the land. <Master Sun> The Art of War

by MaskedMan on Apr 22, 2007 11:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it still amazes me
that some people think that it is iboros and not Lboros (using the shift key there doesnt seem right, but may make more sense)
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Apr 22, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Encarnacion
When he gets back and is 100% again, give us about as good of a shot in an RBI spot as anybody else right now to score.
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 11:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If we switched Skip and J-Rod,
would there be any thoughts about moving Rasmus from Springfield to Memphis?

by fuegophil on Apr 22, 2007 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

too early
no need to rush Rasmus, IMO.  It's not like he's tearing up AA.  Let's move him along at his pace.  I think he'll improve to move up next year but he's not ready yet.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Larry, I'm with you
I think the Cardinals should shake things up at least a little.  Given the depth of their woes, I think what you suggest is the absolute least of what they can do.

The real problem I see here is that the whole team is playing so badly that there are not many options to replace guys.  One could make the arguement that Gooch is marginaly better in center than Edmonds or Spezio is a better than Rolen at third in their current state, but when you have to choose from a .528 or .558 OPS does it even make a difference?

by Zubin on Apr 22, 2007 11:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Larry, it's like you're inside my head.
I've been lobbying such moves for a week now.  I don't see JRod OR JuanE as our savior, but how do you sit around and not shake something up?  

I'm a TLR fan - but sometimes I wish he'd pull a Jim Leyland and go off on his team.  

by silent_bob on Apr 22, 2007 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When can we start panicking?
Since the season started, the big posters here have been saying 'there's no reason to panic just yet', dont worry, the bats will come around... etc.

So...when can we panic?  Or are we going to wait until memorial day and then... find ourselves out of it and declare the year a rebuilding year?

by redbird2006in on Apr 22, 2007 12:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You can start
now if you want. Me? I've been around too long, and seen too much baseball to start this early in the season.

by cardsrul on Apr 22, 2007 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you...
We'll be winning (or maybe losing) 10-7 on a regular basis by June 1.
Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

About 40 games in
is a large enough sample size to see where a club really stands. Let them at least play 25% of their games before you start freaking out.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 22, 2007 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can switch the order around all...
...you want, but the problem to me is that the Redbirds look and act old, plus there just is not that much talent around. 2006 is looking more and more like a fluke on the order of the 1914 Braves.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 22, 2007 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reyes, Juan and prospect for Burrell
Yeah!

ok, maybe not.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure we'd have to give up that much
They need bullpen help but I see no reason to add in Reyes.  They're going to look to move Burrell -- he's booed all the time there and they owe him a ton of $.  It's not like the Yankees had to give up a ton for Abreu and he was better.  If we can get them to take Encarnacion's contract in exchange, we can give them a bullpenner and a prospect I think.  If they want Reyes, we should go another route.

However, I could envision later this year or in the offseason including Reyes in a trade for Miguel Tejada, if the O's are still looking to move him.  We'd certainly have to include a couple of other players but he's the kind of player we'd need to get in return for a trade of Reyes.  Burrell, considering his contract and Reyes', just isn't good enough.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Furthermore, the price could keep going down
if the Phillies keep losing.  This team reaches mid-May with a .350 Winning %, contracts like his are going to be dumped.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the only problem
scoring enough runs to stay close enough until teams are ready to trade.  I think our pitching will be good enough to allow us to stay close, but teams aren't ready to trade yet and I'm concerned about falling far enough back that, by the time we get Burrell or someone similar (which I think we will, BTW), it makes little difference.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true...
...picking up a contract like Burrell's when the team is 11 games out of 1st place (and further out of the wild card) would almost be pointless, unless Walt doesn't believe there is a bat on the Free Agent market that could be had for that cost in the offseason at that level of production.

Burrell is due (I feel like I've memorized it by this point)

  1. 13M (30)
  2. 14M (31)
Perhaps the Cardinals can work an extension for 4 years after a trade something like this:
  1. 13M (30)
  2. 12M (31)
  3. 12M (32)
  4. 14M (33)
He would be making more than Rolen in the final year of his deal, both contracts expiring in 2010.

Who knows, maybe the team will try to go out and get a Ichiro, Andruw Jones, Torii Hunter, or Bobby Abreu but I really doubt it.  Other than Jones, none of those provide the power numbers that Burrell gives.  Abreu would be nice if you are looking for someone to get on in front of Albert, perhaps moving Duncan to the cleanup spot but that would be saved for the off-season, not helping the 2007 team.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno
I love Lil' Dunc, especially what he's doing this year.  But if we have Abreu, Duncan, and Pujols, I think that it's an incredibly hard sell putting Abreu in the 2 hole and Duncan in the 4 hole.  Switch them and I think it's a much better lineup.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Abreu has walked:
1999 NL-109 (McGwire 130)
2000 NL-100 (Edmonds 103)
2001 NL-106 (Edmonds 93)
2002 NL-104 (Edmonds 86)
2003 NL-109 (Rolen 82)
2004 NL-127 (Edmonds 101)
2005 NL-117 (Pujols 97)
2006 ML-124 (Pujols 92)

Abreu is the ideal #2 hitter.  He'll take a walk if given the chance, he has pop in his bat and can drive in runs as well.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I also don't think
that Duncan is a good #4 hitter.  Maybe on the current team, but not on a good hitting team.  I could see Abreu at #2 if we have a solid #4/#5 hitter(s), and maybe Duncan at #6.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's no where...
near the price for Burrell.

See the Abreu trade. Burrell's contract is even worse  and he's less productive. Therefore, one assumes, the price will be a bunch of middling prospects, all $27 million left on his contract, and a nice little extension for him to waive his no trade.

Then we can get rid of Taguchi and PW, keep Schu as a defensive replacement, and platoon Enc with Jed in center.

That's a much better team.

Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's appeared in...
348 games in center lifetime including a few dozen last year. How good he plays center is another story, especially with Dunc and Burrell on either side of him...
Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat the Bat
I'd have to think he'd gladly waive his no-trade to leave Philly...

Surely we have a Bud Smith type lying around somewhere.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minors Update
According to Kary Booher blog - Cardinals Corner - Juan will be joining Springfield on Monday to start his "official" rehab assignment.

And for those interested in J-Rod - he's been hampered by shoulder/knee problems recently and has been in and out of the Memphis lineup. Basically, he's day to day with his assorted ailments. He's not a candidate at this time for promotion.

The one OF who's starting to turn it up at Memphis is Ryan Ludwick.

by BleacherBum593 on Apr 22, 2007 12:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i understand the ryan ludwick sentiment
but one hot week does not make a guy a good hitter. look at his overall record:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/L/Ryan-Ludwick.shtml

he doesn't have good on-base skills, and his power is not overwhelming, although he did have good power numbers last year. his career MLB averages are .237 / .299 / .416.

you might catch lightning in a bottle with this guy, but he doesn't look like the answer to me.

by lboros on Apr 22, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glavine vs Smoltz
1st pitch, Kelly Johnson CRUSHES a ball off of Glavine.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lineups
Per ESPN

STL:

  1. Miles SS
  2. Duncan LF
  3. Pujols 1B
  4. Rolen 3B
  5. Edmonds CF
  6. Spiezio RF
  7. Kennedy 2B
  8. Molina C
  9. Wainwright P
CHI:
  1. Theriot 2B
  2. Floyd LF
  3. Lee 1B
  4. Ramirez 3B
  5. Barrett C
  6. Jones RF
  7. Cedeno SS
  8. Pie CF
  9. Miller P
No Eckstein, no P-Dub (even though it seems like he's starting to hit it better).
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

eh, whatever
john rodriguez for right field!

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand benching Eck
but I'm truly not inspired by the rest of the changes.  

Give me:
Miles SS
Spiezio RF
Pujols 1B
Duncan LF
Rolen 3B
Molina C
Edmonds CF
Kennedy 2B
Wainwright P

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like moving Molina up
He's hitting pretty well this year.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AK
and why is Kennedy hitting ahead of Molina?

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good question
You'd think they'd want someone with a .200+ average in an RBI slot but I suppose not.
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man watching this Braves game
I miss Renteria.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too
But I'm not so sure we have a spot for him. Given that Edgar isn't really a lead-off hitter and Eck is.
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I agree
It just makes me nostalgic for our late-2004 lineup:

Womack
Walker
Pujols
Rolen
Edmonds
Sanders
Renteria
Matheny
Pitcher

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice
remember when it was sometimes:

Pitcher
Matheny

man... Renteria hitting 7th.  that just makes me sad now.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did we call it?
Death row or something like that? That was a great line-up. Where's Womack at these days?
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Womack
I'm pretty sure that in 2005 he went to the Yankees and proceeded to suck his way out of MLB.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eck is a career .350 OBP
Edgar is a .347 OBP.

Edgar also steals more bases. Why couldn't he lead off again?

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 22, 2007 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free baseball card
Going through my attic this morning and found a
John Fulgham Cardinal's baseball card. It is obvious that he is the reason for the bad play this year. I must get rid of it.
Anyone want it?

by saladdin69 on Apr 22, 2007 2:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jesus
Pu is just trying to do too much...surprised Floyd didn't beat it out.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And he redeems himself
Pujols must have not wanted Theriot on those bases!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Throw Strikes!!
nibble, nibble drives me crazy

by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 22, 2007 2:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wainwright doesn't look sharp today...
... breaking balls are going everywhere but where he wants them to go.

let's hope he can get out of this and settle in. otherwise, it's another long afternoon.

by kindred on Apr 22, 2007 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shit
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone Else
feel we can't come back from this?

by rw on Apr 22, 2007 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WTF is happening to Wainer?
He's forgotten the art of making wagons, it seems.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not an expert
i didn't even pitch when i did play ball, but it looks as if he is planting that left foot way too soon when he is throwing.

by lopey986 on Apr 22, 2007 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

These runs are on Edmonds
He makes Juan look like a 'scrappy' outfielder these days.

RUN AFTER THE BALL!

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that is just
edmonds being edmonds. he has done it his entire career but he is not a spry young man anymore and he needs to run a little harder to make up for it. old habits die hard i guess.

by lopey986 on Apr 22, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No these runs are on Wainwright....
and his piss poor pitching so far.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 22, 2007 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well those two runs...
may have been 25 based on this offense. It's really hard to support these guys when they give you almost nothing to cheer about.

by Brownale on Apr 22, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow.
Rolen hasn't hit a ball that hard in weeks. and with 2 strikes against him, too.

by kindred on Apr 22, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jimmy...
..Home Run if you don't mind

by Harknights on Apr 22, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy Crap
why haven't I been asking that all season?!?

by Harknights on Apr 22, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank god
our long national nightmare is over

by lookit55 on Apr 22, 2007 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

EDMONDS
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

10-Run Sunday
way to start it, Jimmy!

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

About effing time JIMMY!!!!
The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think
Hardcore upset jimmy.

by lopey986 on Apr 22, 2007 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

way to go
jimmy baseball!!!
this is the season when jimmy baseball returns to his old 2004 self!

by cards4life on Apr 22, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow that's a good sign
Rolen with a rip, Edmonds with a bomb.  Kinda like the good ole days right?  A Pujols line-drive home run and I'll be happy.
Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

actually I was cussing
after Rolen's at bat- he didn't hustle to first and almost got thrown out on an easy infield hit.  Thankfully Jimmy shut me up.
"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he didn't hustle
But he stung the ball.
Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sarcasm?
On the STL broadcast Jay and Rick were complimenting his hustle out of the box. The video they showed had him trucking down the line the whole way.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno
Sure looked to me like he slowed down the last few steps and only ran 2-3 steps past the bag.  Hopefully my perceptions were wrong. He did hit the ball hard, and that's a great sign.

(I'm stuck with the WGN broadcasters on mlb.tv and they aren't all that interested in talking about the baseball that's actually being played).

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2007 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WGN Broadcasts
My favorite things about those are that half the cameramen, at any given times, are looking for gals in the crowd to get on TV.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was so dissapointed
when they dropped chip carey. he was entertaining to listen to when the cubs were losing/lost.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On yahoo!
On yahoo gamechannel, it indicates that there have been some flyballs to deep outfield by guys such as miles and kennedy, are these balls truly being hit well?

by Brownale on Apr 22, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kennedy no
Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edmonds would like to thank the wind for that
longball.

It may have gotten out without the wind, but I'm skeptical.  He's had that exact same cut and had them be flyballs in the gap many times this season.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow
did jimmy crap in your cereal bowl this mornin'?

by lopey986 on Apr 22, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not particularly
But this wind is making people like Miles and Kennedy look like sluggers.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was probably 425 feet
That'd be some wind.
Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sadly, I think
that we also probably lead the league in % of total hits that were by our pitchers...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wind is blowing out
how about a Wainwright HR here.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

see ya
what was he looking for there? that was right down the middle. good job Wagonmaker. good job.
The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Free Tito Landrum/Al Omsted/Andy Rincon Card.
Cardinals Future Stars baseball card to a good home.

Went through attic today.

by saladdin69 on Apr 22, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what about
my Cris (not Chris) Carpenter cards...

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should start
a mailing list for Cardinals baseball cards of players who have been "forgotten."
The more obscure the better.

by saladdin69 on Apr 22, 2007 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm watching the reds game too,
anyone know why josh hamilton isn't with the Cards? the Rays just cut him for no reason. sure he had drug and alcohol problems, but he got clean a few years ago. that kid can play. anyone know how he ended up with the reds?
The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Josh Hamilton
He was suspended from baseball for a few years for coke addiction. His suspension was lifted this winter, the Rays didn't add him to the 40-man roster, the Cubs took him in the rule 5 draft and traded him to the Reds for cash.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i should know not to listen to Kruk
he said on baseball tonight last week the Rays cut him. btw, josh struck out verses a lefty. he's hitting .089 now vs leftys.
The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the ump is squeezing this inning
not good timing for a struggling pitcher.

Nice K Wainer! Looks like he's getting to his stride today. finally.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Michael Barrett
Meh.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sheesh
i really do strongly dislike the cubs.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Because...
Apparently, the Cardinals aren't hitting much of anything these days...
Bench Juan Encarnacion!

by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 22, 2007 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

F@#$%&K!
how come we can't get barrett out?
The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AW
can't get the ball down

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wain
shouldnt adam be using his fastball more? he has thrown a lot of slider this afternoon

by truemun12 on Apr 22, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he should use the pitch...
that doesn't get killed. It's starting to look like, much like Reyes, we've overrated him as well.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 22, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is just sad
remind me again why i put myself through this everyday

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how many bloop hits are the cubs gonna get today?
Sad to say, but I almost feel lucky that we've ONLY given up four runs so far.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

5 runs this inning
Redbird bats to come alive against Miller.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice hit albie
i don't think we're out of this yet.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's gotta be
one of the scariest things in baseball for a pitcher.

An Albert Pujols liner right up the middle at your head.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Funny
I was thinking his legs are looking bigger than ever.  
Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 on for J'Ed
When was the last time Albert, Scotty and Jimmy got back-to-back-to-back hits?

by Zubin on Apr 22, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

go ahead jimmy
how about 2 fer?
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I read a lot of BS in the papers from LaRussa
this morning.  But we've hit the ball hard a few times today.  Just missed w/ that one.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kennedy
will swing here.  Guaranteed.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Geez.............
What i wouldn't give for a lousy hit with risp.......

by fuegophil on Apr 22, 2007 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's gonna be hard
to blame Pujols and Rolen for this inning!

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AK
how about that?!!!!!!!!

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

finally
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AK!
where've you been?

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not Dead Kennedy
Things are much easier when players aren't hitting .190.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Attaboy Kennedy!
FINALLY a hit with RISP
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey
way to come thru ak7

by lopey986 on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

adam!
havent said that in awhile!

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

did the hit
stun you into incoherence?  I thought I was hallucinating!

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just about to make a comment about how my
arthritic gloucomic 80 year old granny has better bat speed than Kennedy...

Yeah stunned is about right.

by Zubin on Apr 22, 2007 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well
'tis hitting day

by lopey986 on Apr 22, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

come on yadi
a 2 out rbi would be special
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

By the script
Tie game. Check.
Give up lead off hit. Check.

by saladdin69 on Apr 22, 2007 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lenandbob@aol.com
Anyone else up for some constructive criticism emails?

by saladdin69 on Apr 22, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we should tell them
to keep talking about bands.  it really makes them sound more hip!

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Edmonds
was telling Miles how to be more nonchalant when going back for pop flies.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

duncs turn
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OH YEAH BABY!
6 runs?!  It must be Sunday...oh wait...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a lead! a lead!
kinda forgot what this was like.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YEAH!!
BIG BOMB BABY DUNK!!!!
The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dunc!
He is a big, scary man.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 22, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow.
i still can't believe that i once wanted jock to move him for pitching.

by gentry13 on Apr 22, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This ump's strike call
sounds like a dying bullfrog.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can we get Iffy in the game now?
To give up the lead now so I want be as hurt in the 9th.

by saladdin69 on Apr 22, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he's back
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rolen!
"Hey, everybody! let's go to the mean!"

by DanUpBaby on Apr 22, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh man!!
That was vintage Scotty Ro right there!!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hmmm...
so im thinking the cubs will score 2 in the next inning...just a guess
come on albert send it for a ride!

by agahr00 on Apr 22, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

this is nice
but we must remember this is wade miller. he's hardly a major league pitcher. still, it is nice to beat up on the cubbies. thanks for getting our bats going wade. it's amazing they sent him out there.
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 22, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

True enough,
But a few games like this might get the boys to stop pressing, it might help relax them at the plate. Hopefully...

by fuegophil on Apr 22, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it must be a windy sunday afternoon
because Scottie just went out of the park! nice swing scottie.
The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

strong relief pitching
we're going to need it this game.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WW's at 70 pitches
Entering the bottom of the fifth.

The Cubs will all be looking to hit it in the air to left. It'd be nice to see them come up with a gameplan to exploit that and get some quick outs.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pujols last at-bat
can't blame him...I'd swing at anything Miller threw on a 3-1 today as well.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pretty freakin weak AK
i know you got a double last inning, but what are you doing looking at pitches down the middle of the plate? then swinging at junk in the dirt?

show of hands, who thinks the bats will go back to sleep now that a lefty is pitching?

The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Michael Barrett owns the Cards......
Maybe we should just walk him every time, no matter what....

by fuegophil on Apr 22, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wainer really seems to be living on the upper...
side of the strike zone. i'm afraid he's going to be dying there as well.

by gentry13 on Apr 22, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cedeno looks awful here
i think yadi had the ball in his mitt on strike 2 before cedeno started his swing
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Apr 22, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice to see WW fighting
He might make it through 6 innings after all.

This game might never end.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no
hes not with the team.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah OK
Thanks.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's with the team
he's starting tomorrow. he might be able to pinch hit, but my guess is only in an emergency situation.
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 22, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's on the bench in uniform
what are you talking about?
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha
shows how much i know. i thought someone said he wasnt with the team and was at home recovering and getting ready to rejoin the team tomorrow.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one more wainer
almost got em
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that last one was a strike
but we still got out of it in the end

by tnek5 on Apr 22, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Daryl Ward
Our starters have been abusing him this series.

After the second batter, Wainwright looked pretty damned good that inning.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hahah, even the Cubs announcers
call Oquendo the secret weapon.

by sdrone on Apr 22, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wuertz just rocked our world
Maybe he should have started for the Cubs...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

but Wade Miller was so good
for the Astros...

like 5 years ago...

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, miller is washed up
that's for sure. it's gonna be a bit tougher the rest of the way. miller has very little left; his fastball tops off at like 86. if we didn't get to him, i was gonna freak out.
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 22, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BCB is entertaining today
Everyone is pissed so they're all taking it out on this one guy, MrDurden.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...
what it's like to be a Cub fan, but that board is full the most emotionally overwrought fans... Every little hiccup is the end of the world.
Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that my friends is what you get
when you have a infielder playing the outfield
The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yep.
that appeared like an (un)intentional walk.

by gentry13 on Apr 22, 2007 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shit
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thats a no
come on albert send it for a ride!

by agahr00 on Apr 22, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have anything else to contribute?
Other than asking if people are suprised every time something bad happens?

Just seems pretty pointless....

by moser34 on Apr 22, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just cursed very loudly
hint: the word started with an 'F'

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Same
but then I tacked on an 'in', something about someone's mother and then something to do with a bull and its waste.
Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well shucks
10 runs may not be enough today...
"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ramirez sure did take a long time to watch a
386 foot homerun.

Buzz by next time up, anyone?

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well, it did look like he almost
fell on his ass. doesn't bother me (since pujols does it). but, i wouldn't mind a little chin tune.
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 22, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

would've liked to see ww
sneak away with a chance for the win.
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 22, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nobody seriously thought
7 runs was going to be enough to win today did they?

curses and bad vibes to all things cub related

losing is bad enough, but do we always have to lose to them?

The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

10 might be enough
but we don't have em yet.  Wainer was looking pretty good getting out of the 5th, but that was  a big mistake.

let's hold'em here and get a lead again.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And how
Flores had a quietly dominating Spring.

His first outing was some mop-up work and he gave up two runs. After that, he was lights out, but the ERA was misleadingly high enough that few people noted him.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

was that flores?
i thought that was springer

by MarcGldstn on Apr 22, 2007 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well that was definitely a lefty
Isn't Springer a righty?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah your right
I have to watch it on WGN because that's the only station playing it in DC, and those idiot announcers said springer was coming in...go figure...

by MarcGldstn on Apr 22, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for crying out loud...
gdm spare us the sky is falling nonsense... Do we really "always" lose to the Cubs?
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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we have not beaten them consistantly
in a good year and a half. that's what i'm talking about. remember when they couldnt buy a win at Busch II for a long time?

now the shoe is on the other foot so to speak.

The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We've...
won 5 of the last 6 and 6 of 8... That's pretty consistent.
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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why was wainwright
brought back out there to pitch the sixth? He had given up ten hits in the first five innings. The team needs a win right now. Pushing to see if a pitcher can go one more inning on a day when he's not going well is of no use.

by AL on Apr 22, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just a guess
He looked good at the end of the fifth. Maybe they thought tacking another inning on the day would keep his ERA down and his confidence high.

If that was the thinking, it sure backfired.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was only...
at 91 pitches...
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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps
they are trying to stretch him out, see how he handles later innings.  

by awpierce on Apr 22, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why don't they
make Flores a starter...

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish Ditka sang today
Although Gould wasn't much better...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Leadoff walk
Very nice...

Molina bunt?
Pinch-hit Taguchi?

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn it!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Win or lose...
at least the Stros went down today... And in an especially brutal way:

Down 4-0 in the ninth they go double-walk-double-walk-K-single-walk-K-foul out to plate 3 and lose by one.

Also, Brad Lidge threw one pitch and gave up a double.

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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 4:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lidge sucks
he needs a change of scenery. acquire him?

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well that depends
If he sucks, then no.
If he needs a change of scenery, then yes.

Those two aren't always the same.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok lemme rephrase that
lidge sucks in houston. maybe duncan can straighten him out.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha
I agree with that.  Would be a good acquisition, I think.

Just giving you a hard time, lol.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure...
he'll be fa after next year. I don't think Purpura is anxious to see what Duncan can make of him.
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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who feels a PW GIDP?
Not trying to be pessimistic or anything.

Actually, PW has hit well in this series.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cs in front a walk in the 8th
kennedy looks as bad a cedeno on that
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 5:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

another long ball
may be the only way to score molina from 1st
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha
I have my doubts he could have scored on a triple.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if anything
miles has had a good AB

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damn
A few inches higher and that would've scored Molina.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone just yelled
"HEY! THROW STRIKES!"

I hope it was Piniella.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

fang, does every one of your comments
have to say "suck" or "fuck"?

and does every one of them have to point out the obvious?

by lboros on Apr 22, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

apologies
im typing before i think. ill switch the order from now on.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks
i know it's hard to watch the team struggle ---- but there's 144 games to go after this one. save some energy!

by lboros on Apr 22, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why
are u only saying something to fang about this when there have been many others earlier in the thread that u never said a word to? i went back through and only found one case each of "suck" and "fuck", why narrow him out?
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Apr 22, 2007 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its ok
i think he was trying to send a message to the entire board and i was the biggest offender.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and the answer to your question is no.
ill only post contributive comments from now on.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this isnt going to end well.
lead off hits late in the game dont usually go down well.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope we are saving something dramatic for
Dempster... It would be nice to break another NL Central closer.

by OCCardsFan on Apr 22, 2007 5:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice pitching franklin
still need to get to 10.
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 5:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

time for some 9th inning offense
followed by an Izzy nail-biter in which he gets another save by the skin of his teeth.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Attaway Franklin
D-Lee and Ramirez were scaring me there...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

is it in the 8th
now trying to see if gamecast is right...7-7
Kenny is a "dirt" bag?

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice work by franklin...
particularly appreciated the way he approached d. lee.

by gentry13 on Apr 22, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It is pretty interesting
that it is a sunday and yet again the cards figure out what that wood stick in their hands is for...if only everyday could be a sunday

by MarcGldstn on Apr 22, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ok ...
here we go.  got the big bats up ...
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Apr 22, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dunc, AP, rolen
one of them will get a hit if not a homer.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:17 PM EDT reply