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Game 18 Open Thread: April 22, 2007

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wainwright

miller

1-1, 3.20

0-1, 9.00

erik's overbooked this weekend, so i'm filling in.

jason marquis is not the enemy here. he's just another pitcher; there's no more shame in getting shut down by him than there was in getting shut down by suppan last weekend, or even by non-ex-cardinal mediocrities like paul maholm and wandy rodriguez. he pitched a typical jason marquis game, and the cardinal lineup produced what has become its typical output. they did hit the ball pretty well, but that's of little consolation. how bad has it gotten? the second paragraph of this story in the sunday p-d says it all:

Juan Encarnacion, who would have been shopped last winter if not for wrist surgery in December, has become the Cardinals' missing cornerstone. The same team that won its final three World Series games with Encarnacion tethered to its bench now looks to him as the May answer for its April drought.
if that's the case, then why wait around for juan? i'm in favor of change for change's sake; gotta alter the dynamic. send schumaker down, bring rodriguez up, and start playing j-rod every day vs right-handed pitchers. move edmonds out of an rbi position until he demonstrates that he's healthy enough to sock the ball; per the p-d article cited above, the team recognizes his current limitations, so why pretend they're not there? bat him 2d, make duncan the cleanup hitter, drop rolen to 5th, slot j-rod / preston 6th. might not make things any better; couldn't make them any worse.

these are hardly overreactive measures; i fully understand the impulse to avoid panic, but there's a difference between avoiding panic and avoiding reality. last summer the cardinals were way too slow to make changes to the starting rotation, giving too much slack to veterans who (they presumed) simply needed time to work through their problems. the cards need every baserunner they can get right now.

wade miller is the type of pitch st louis ought to be able to score against ---- he's right-handed, relies on hard stuff, and lacks command. plus, it's sunday --- hitting day. a series win would make ev'ybody feel better.

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The thing that ticks me off...
the most about this ridiculous offense is that we are wasting what so far has been Dave Duncan's finest hour. Like a lot of people, I greeted the Wells signing with a "meh" and the Looper conversion with a "WTF" and so far both are turning out brilliantly. Almost makes you think we could just sign 5 retreads every year and let Duncan give you an above-average rotation for about $15 million bucks :) The problem is the Jrod move is about the only one we have in our pocket, it's not like we have better alternatives on the bench or in the minors at any other position. The one that I'm really worried about is Rolen, we owe him like $54 million over the next 4 years, so if for some reason he's hitting a big decline phase now we are screwed.

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 22, 2007 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Dear Scott...
It's obvious you read my post today and didn't want me to worry. Thank you very much for your concern.

by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 22, 2007 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha
mike, i think rolen must've checked it before the game.  lol!!  keep it up scotty!!

edmonds must've read it too and thought you were talking about him.

by tainter on Apr 22, 2007 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Larry
It is apparent that a stir is all that can be done. No real shake up is possible. Sometimes a young enthusiastic  player can engergize a whole team.

After I read your post I checked the stats at Memphis. Jrod's numbers have been in steady decline all spring. Ryan Ludwick on the other hand has continued to perform. His walk to strike out ratio could be better, but this the only weekness I can see.

 Ankiel and Stavinoha have yet to impress, but that fact that Ankiel has nine hits and eight are for extra bases is interesting. Rick also needs to sharpen his eye and take more walks.

  I can't see any reason for keeping Schu on the 25 man roster, and his is the only roster spot that can be changed. Why Wait for JuanE?

 So I would trade out Ludwick for Shu, and give Ryan as many AB's as possible until JaunE returns. It's not a real shake up just a stir.

by nybirdfan on Apr 22, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same about Ludwick
the only problem with him is that he hits right-handed which makes it tough to platoon him anywhere but center.  Hmmm.  Then again, maybe that wouldn't be the worst thing.

Granted, anything would help and he's hitting good right now.  JRod is a lefty which could work in a platoon with P-Dub, but he's hitting .231 at Memphis with 1 home run.

by Big Red on Apr 22, 2007 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

as of this morning
Jrod is hitting .200. His OBP is a respectable .351, but with 1 homer and 2 rbi I wouldn't give him the call.

by nybirdfan on Apr 22, 2007 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Down on the farm, I wonder if J-Rod knows ...
he's the subject of endless speculation among Card fans right now?

With a .200 avg, he better be surprised.

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 22, 2007 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

With ya on that
Right now, J-Rod may only be the third best OF in Memphis.  If Schu needs to be replaced because he is not going to make it in the bigs, then why send him down to Memphis to take a spot from a prospect?  And likewise, if J-Rod dissapointed last year with an inability to go deep, and he only has 1 hr so far at AAA, why should we suddenly think this is his year to make it in the majors? He might be better than Schu, So, and Pdub, but he's still not the answer.

Last year it took too long for lil dunc to get the chance to proove he should be there.  He could have been rookie of the year if we hadn't been so conservative/cautious early.

Now we see the Cubs make their move.  Felix will stick in CF, and Sorianno will return at LF.  We need to move prospects up, and also rans out, not back down.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

J-Rod
I wouldn't worry about Rodriguez slumping at Memphis.  There's a decent chance that his slump has more to do w/ his frustration w/ still being at Memphis when the team is struggling so much offensively.  I think we all know what he can/would do at the major league level.

Maybe Ludwick's still the better choice b/c he's right-handed but I don't think Rodriguez's slump should be the deciding factor.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's an idea
Put all the slumpers is one place.  J-rod should get promoted for playing just like the stars on the big club.

Maybe in the interst of parity (or pity), the league should allow additional roster spots for every team that has multi-million dollar players hitting below the mendoza line.

Then we can promote slumping minor leaguers to help their self esteem as a way to get them out of the slump.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even know how to respond to this
except to say that I guess I wasn't clear.  Rodriguez is a better major league hitter than Ludwick is and has been throughout his career.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/ludwiry01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/r/rodrijo03.shtml

My point (I thought this was clear but perhaps not) was that the better hitter should be called up and that person is Rodriguez.  Regardless of his current slump, he'll be better at the major league level b/c he always has been.  I can't explain his current slump but to call Ludwick up over Rodriguez b/c he's been hotter over the last 5 or 10 games at AAA vs. the last 3 years at the major league level is silly.  I wasn't suggesting that he should be called up to "boost his self-esteem".  

Save the sarcastic shit for the p-d boards.  We're here to have an intelligent conversation.  Go to the p-d boards if you're looking to get your rocks off by denigrating others!

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

ditto that
we're all frustrated about the team's slump, Birds on Bat. don't take your frustration out on other cardinal fans who happen to hold a different opinion from you.

by lboros on Apr 22, 2007 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

you don't judge a guy's ability
on 30 at-bats. you judge him over the long haul.

in ryan ludwick has struck out in nearly 1/3 of his major-league at-bats (99 out of 334). last year, against triple A pitching, he struck out in almost exactly 1/3 of his at-bats (167 ks in 508 at-bats) and had significantly more strikeouts (167) than hits (135).

the fact that he's outhit rodriguez over 30 or 40 at-bats is meaningless. rodriguez is a better hitter with a better track record; i'll take him.

by lboros on Apr 22, 2007 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

well excuse me
sorry to take so long to get back, i had to get some things done before game time.  i'll stop the sarcacism since we're all too sensitive when we're down.

frankly i believe that j-rod should have been on this club all month.  but the real point of my comments above are that i don't understand why you would send schu down to memphis.  if he can't stick in the majors now, why would we think he could later, and what purpose does it serve to have players at AAA that can't make it?

again, we've got a major league player stuck at AAA, while we have Schu wasting a roster spot now.  we need to move j-rod up and put another major league prospect in OF in Memphis. (because if we a had a prospect to replace So, we should).  Give Roy Hobbs a chance.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not sure
how much longer we will be waiting for JaunE. Who ever gets the call will mostly likely only be with to team until then. Therefore I say go with the hot bat

by nybirdfan on Apr 22, 2007 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another option
Well, Ryan Church was pulled in the 2nd inning of the Nat's game for "non-injury" reasons. This could indicate a trade, and I'd be all for that being a Walt move.

by roebirds on Apr 22, 2007 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Church
"Church Benched for Lack of Hustle"

He was dogging it on a grounder and Acta wanted to send a message to the team.

(That headline though... The parishioners just wanted to have somewhere to sit.)

by liam on Apr 23, 2007 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree 100%
Wade Miller is the type of pitcher we ought to hit, and hit hard -- relies on his fastball, little off-speed stuff.

And changing out Rodriguez or Ludwick for Skip and putting them in the lineup full-time has to be done.  Also, Duncan does need to move down to 4 and Edmonds up to 2.  I know Edmonds doesn't like hitting 2nd and LaRussa probably doesn't want to put too much pressure on Duncan to drive in runs, but right now it has to be done.  Edmonds still walks a fair amount and can get on base in front of Pujols -- maybe hitting him there will help shake him out a little.  Move Rolen to 5 -- he'll whine but so what?

Also, Miles has to play SS, at least for today.  Our leadoff spot is absolutlely abysmal right now.  How many times does LaRussa have to see Eckstein hit a weak pop fly before he's given a day or two off.  Eckstein's OBP right now is .307 and he's slugging a blistering .258.  He's making Brad Ausmus look like Bonds.  I know that Miles isn't the long-term answer to this problem, but he should play today and it's possible he can be a short-term answer.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Moving Duncan to 2nd kinda scares me
I think he getting the most out of hitting in front of Pujols right now and might struggle behind him.  Just look at his production with runners in scoring postion, or the bases loaded.  

For a guy hitting .320ish and with 3 home runs, I'd like to think he should have more than 5 rbi.  Granted, Eckstein could help that out but then again he could have easily added 2 to that total yesterday by hitting a single, which he so promptly did the next time up...with no one on.

by Big Red on Apr 22, 2007 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be really pissed/bummed right now...
if it weren't for the fact that we stole the World Series last year.

Until the talent starts coming up through the minor league pipe, we're going to be a .500 team at best - and that's with Albert Pujols being Albert Pujols.

I'm not sure about Dave Duncan's finest hour. I'm pretty sure those 4 weeks last October > These 3 weeks in April - but yeah, this team is going to become 'unwatchable' real fast if the pitching (especially Looper) doesn't continue to outperform expectations.

and I'd be lying if I didn't think we should bring Roy Hobbs up at some point. I'd pay to watch an outfield of J-Rod, Duncan, and Ankiel. They may not win, but they'd beat watching P-dub, JuanEnc, and (washedup) Jimmy (not to mention Skip Schumaker).

Just for fun, career major league lines for Ankiel and Schumaker:

 87 AB, 9 R, 18 H, 1 2B, 1 3B, 2 HR, 9 RBI, 6 BB, 29 SO, .207/.258/.310 AVG/OBP/SLG, 44 OPS+
101 AB, 14 R, 20 H, 3 2B, 0 3B, 1 HR, 4 RBI, 8 BB, 9 SO, .198/.255/.257 AVG/OBP/SLG, 35 OPS+

by musial6 on Apr 22, 2007 10:15 AM EDT reply actions  

It's time ...
to break out those special "sunday bats" ... cure for what ails.

(where do they keep those things?)

by Urban Pawnee on Apr 22, 2007 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

In the...
"Sunday bat rack," of course!

The Cards are in a classic "team slump" right now... with Chris Duncan being the only exception. But "Slam Dunc" has lousy career numbers hitting with the bases loaded... (small sample size, yadda yadda) It's obvious that the entire team is pressing right now.

Hard as it is to say (and it's even harder to do,) the Birds need to find a way to relax at the plate. As lboros pointed out, there's nobody at Memphis smokin' the ol' pelota, either... so we got what we got.

Maybe Tony should pull the old Billy Martin trick of selecting the lineup by pulling names out of a hat... although I wouldn't mind seeing Edmonds batting 2nd and Duncan hitting 5th.

I remain convinced that this, too, shall pass. Pujols and Rolen are simply too good to continue to hit as they have; I'm convinced Edmonds will improve as he gets his legs back into shape; and the rest of the lineup will trend back up to their usual career levels.

But I admit, I'd like to see 'em start to do all that TODAY!!! <grin>

"A man should live forever, or die trying." -- Mike Callahan

by The Ol Goaler on Apr 22, 2007 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's time
for me to consider breaking out the special "sunday elixir"...possibly the cure for what ails me, considering watching the Cardinals right now is the equivalent of getting a tooth pulled with a piece of string and a slamming door.

But hey, it's a new day...it's Sunday...play ball. Go Wagonmaker.

Does anyone else here think that AW has more...mental toughness, I guess the term would be, than Anthony Reyes? It seems like Reyes isn't bothered by anything, which can be good...but in his case, especially relative to Wainwright, it looks more like apathy. AW actually seems to care about his performance.

by player2bnamedl8r on Apr 22, 2007 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Reyes
Might be trying to be something he's not. A sinker-baller. However, this is partially Duncan's fault but, in fairness, he can't make every pitcher pitch to contact (i.e. AW) Wagonmaker isn't going to be lights out every start but is still been fairly lights out and has a better ERA and record than Wade Miller, someone who's been at the MLB level for twice as long. But at the end of the day, we could have Bob Gibson pitching and still need offense to win. However, Gibson would probably win it with a walk off home-run in the 9th.
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

2-seamer
I'm pretty sure the homer off of Reyes yesterday was a 2-seamer.  And, after the first inning, he calmed pretty nicely really.   Worked until the 6th.  Had good commmand.  Didn't walk anyone all game, and I think only one guy got to ball 3 after the first.   Not too shabby.  

I really hate that Bennett has become his personal catcher.  

by RedbirdRay on Apr 22, 2007 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
I don't think Bennett should be anyone's personal catcher. Especially a developing one.
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree
It seems like Bennett should work with Wells not Reyes.  The young pitchers really need the best catcher out there calling the best possible game.

by OCCardsFan on Apr 22, 2007 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Molina/Reyes
and we saw what that combo did in the playoffs last year.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amaury Cazana Marti
can someone help me w/ this?  I know we've loaned him to Minatitlan of the Mexican League and he's playing quite well there -- .300/.408/.533.  He has 10 BB and 10 K in 60 AB and has 4 HR.  I'm wondering about the level of play in this league vs. AAA.  Is it about the same level or is the Mexican League like a 4-A league?  If there's a discussion about bringing up an OF, should Marti be in the conversation?

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 10:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I am curious too
If you look at the Minor League baseball site it acts like the Mexican League is a AAA level league.  Are these all independent teams?  Are there examples of players actually going from these teams to the big leagues?

by OCCardsFan on Apr 22, 2007 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

My Impression
was always that the Mexican League would be the weakest of the AAA leagues, whereas the Japanese leagues would be stronger than either the PCL or IL. (There's fewer ML-ready talent in the ML than in any of the other three, and more in the Japanese leagues than in the other three.)

I looked around for published weights for the Mexican league with no luck. You can look at guys like Jorge Toca and others who made the jump to the PCL and they tended to do worse in the PCL.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also
You've got to have a lot of stadia with hot air in the Mexican league--one would assume that the ball carries better there than it would in the states.

by Valatan on Apr 22, 2007 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that it's seen
as triple-A quality ball. Don't know much more than that, but players go from the Mexican League to MLB a fair bit I believe although I don't have any numbers to support that offf hand. I don't think it's quite on the level of Nippon in Japan, but I think it's pretty close.

by plh903 on Apr 22, 2007 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Today's starter?
Who's this Wainwright fellow?  Did we do something with Wagonmaker?  

by raisin @ Viva El Birdos on Apr 22, 2007 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

John Gall
his OPS is .938 for Albuquerque.  

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Small Typo
"wade miller is the type of pitch st louis ought to be able to score against"

I believe you meant "pitcher". And while we're at it, I think Bill Dewitt should be added to the poll.

I think that if the Cardinals are able to score today against the Cubs and win in a high intensity game, then the bats would liven up just a bit. As they say, hitting is contagious.

I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with your lineup Iboros
I think it's time to shake things up and Jimmy to the 2 spot and Duncan at 4 seem like at least some sensable shakeup...hope we see something different
Unless you use local guides, you cannot get the advantages of the land. <Master Sun> The Art of War

by MaskedMan on Apr 22, 2007 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

it still amazes me
that some people think that it is iboros and not Lboros (using the shift key there doesnt seem right, but may make more sense)
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Apr 22, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Encarnacion
When he gets back and is 100% again, give us about as good of a shot in an RBI spot as anybody else right now to score.
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

If we switched Skip and J-Rod,
would there be any thoughts about moving Rasmus from Springfield to Memphis?

by fuegophil on Apr 22, 2007 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

too early
no need to rush Rasmus, IMO.  It's not like he's tearing up AA.  Let's move him along at his pace.  I think he'll improve to move up next year but he's not ready yet.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Larry, I'm with you
I think the Cardinals should shake things up at least a little.  Given the depth of their woes, I think what you suggest is the absolute least of what they can do.

The real problem I see here is that the whole team is playing so badly that there are not many options to replace guys.  One could make the arguement that Gooch is marginaly better in center than Edmonds or Spezio is a better than Rolen at third in their current state, but when you have to choose from a .528 or .558 OPS does it even make a difference?

by Zubin on Apr 22, 2007 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Larry, it's like you're inside my head.
I've been lobbying such moves for a week now.  I don't see JRod OR JuanE as our savior, but how do you sit around and not shake something up?  

I'm a TLR fan - but sometimes I wish he'd pull a Jim Leyland and go off on his team.  

by silent_bob on Apr 22, 2007 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

When can we start panicking?
Since the season started, the big posters here have been saying 'there's no reason to panic just yet', dont worry, the bats will come around... etc.

So...when can we panic?  Or are we going to wait until memorial day and then... find ourselves out of it and declare the year a rebuilding year?

by redbird2006in on Apr 22, 2007 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

You can start
now if you want. Me? I've been around too long, and seen too much baseball to start this early in the season.

by cardsrul on Apr 22, 2007 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you...
We'll be winning (or maybe losing) 10-7 on a regular basis by June 1.
Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

About 40 games in
is a large enough sample size to see where a club really stands. Let them at least play 25% of their games before you start freaking out.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 22, 2007 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can switch the order around all...
...you want, but the problem to me is that the Redbirds look and act old, plus there just is not that much talent around. 2006 is looking more and more like a fluke on the order of the 1914 Braves.

by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 22, 2007 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Reyes, Juan and prospect for Burrell
Yeah!

ok, maybe not.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure we'd have to give up that much
They need bullpen help but I see no reason to add in Reyes.  They're going to look to move Burrell -- he's booed all the time there and they owe him a ton of $.  It's not like the Yankees had to give up a ton for Abreu and he was better.  If we can get them to take Encarnacion's contract in exchange, we can give them a bullpenner and a prospect I think.  If they want Reyes, we should go another route.

However, I could envision later this year or in the offseason including Reyes in a trade for Miguel Tejada, if the O's are still looking to move him.  We'd certainly have to include a couple of other players but he's the kind of player we'd need to get in return for a trade of Reyes.  Burrell, considering his contract and Reyes', just isn't good enough.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Furthermore, the price could keep going down
if the Phillies keep losing.  This team reaches mid-May with a .350 Winning %, contracts like his are going to be dumped.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

the only problem
scoring enough runs to stay close enough until teams are ready to trade.  I think our pitching will be good enough to allow us to stay close, but teams aren't ready to trade yet and I'm concerned about falling far enough back that, by the time we get Burrell or someone similar (which I think we will, BTW), it makes little difference.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true...
...picking up a contract like Burrell's when the team is 11 games out of 1st place (and further out of the wild card) would almost be pointless, unless Walt doesn't believe there is a bat on the Free Agent market that could be had for that cost in the offseason at that level of production.

Burrell is due (I feel like I've memorized it by this point)

  1. 13M (30)
  2. 14M (31)
Perhaps the Cardinals can work an extension for 4 years after a trade something like this:
  1. 13M (30)
  2. 12M (31)
  3. 12M (32)
  4. 14M (33)
He would be making more than Rolen in the final year of his deal, both contracts expiring in 2010.

Who knows, maybe the team will try to go out and get a Ichiro, Andruw Jones, Torii Hunter, or Bobby Abreu but I really doubt it.  Other than Jones, none of those provide the power numbers that Burrell gives.  Abreu would be nice if you are looking for someone to get on in front of Albert, perhaps moving Duncan to the cleanup spot but that would be saved for the off-season, not helping the 2007 team.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno
I love Lil' Dunc, especially what he's doing this year.  But if we have Abreu, Duncan, and Pujols, I think that it's an incredibly hard sell putting Abreu in the 2 hole and Duncan in the 4 hole.  Switch them and I think it's a much better lineup.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bobby Abreu has walked:
1999 NL-109 (McGwire 130)
2000 NL-100 (Edmonds 103)
2001 NL-106 (Edmonds 93)
2002 NL-104 (Edmonds 86)
2003 NL-109 (Rolen 82)
2004 NL-127 (Edmonds 101)
2005 NL-117 (Pujols 97)
2006 ML-124 (Pujols 92)

Abreu is the ideal #2 hitter.  He'll take a walk if given the chance, he has pop in his bat and can drive in runs as well.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I also don't think
that Duncan is a good #4 hitter.  Maybe on the current team, but not on a good hitting team.  I could see Abreu at #2 if we have a solid #4/#5 hitter(s), and maybe Duncan at #6.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's no where...
near the price for Burrell.

See the Abreu trade. Burrell's contract is even worse  and he's less productive. Therefore, one assumes, the price will be a bunch of middling prospects, all $27 million left on his contract, and a nice little extension for him to waive his no trade.

Then we can get rid of Taguchi and PW, keep Schu as a defensive replacement, and platoon Enc with Jed in center.

That's a much better team.

Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's appeared in...
348 games in center lifetime including a few dozen last year. How good he plays center is another story, especially with Dunc and Burrell on either side of him...
Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pat the Bat
I'd have to think he'd gladly waive his no-trade to leave Philly...

Surely we have a Bud Smith type lying around somewhere.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Minors Update
According to Kary Booher blog - Cardinals Corner - Juan will be joining Springfield on Monday to start his "official" rehab assignment.

And for those interested in J-Rod - he's been hampered by shoulder/knee problems recently and has been in and out of the Memphis lineup. Basically, he's day to day with his assorted ailments. He's not a candidate at this time for promotion.

The one OF who's starting to turn it up at Memphis is Ryan Ludwick.

by BleacherBum593 on Apr 22, 2007 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

i understand the ryan ludwick sentiment
but one hot week does not make a guy a good hitter. look at his overall record:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/L/Ryan-Ludwick.shtml

he doesn't have good on-base skills, and his power is not overwhelming, although he did have good power numbers last year. his career MLB averages are .237 / .299 / .416.

you might catch lightning in a bottle with this guy, but he doesn't look like the answer to me.

by lboros on Apr 22, 2007 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glavine vs Smoltz
1st pitch, Kelly Johnson CRUSHES a ball off of Glavine.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Lineups
Per ESPN

STL:

  1. Miles SS
  2. Duncan LF
  3. Pujols 1B
  4. Rolen 3B
  5. Edmonds CF
  6. Spiezio RF
  7. Kennedy 2B
  8. Molina C
  9. Wainwright P
CHI:
  1. Theriot 2B
  2. Floyd LF
  3. Lee 1B
  4. Ramirez 3B
  5. Barrett C
  6. Jones RF
  7. Cedeno SS
  8. Pie CF
  9. Miller P
No Eckstein, no P-Dub (even though it seems like he's starting to hit it better).
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

eh, whatever
john rodriguez for right field!

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand benching Eck
but I'm truly not inspired by the rest of the changes.  

Give me:
Miles SS
Spiezio RF
Pujols 1B
Duncan LF
Rolen 3B
Molina C
Edmonds CF
Kennedy 2B
Wainwright P

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like moving Molina up
He's hitting pretty well this year.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

AK
and why is Kennedy hitting ahead of Molina?

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

good question
You'd think they'd want someone with a .200+ average in an RBI slot but I suppose not.
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too
But I'm not so sure we have a spot for him. Given that Edgar isn't really a lead-off hitter and Eck is.
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I agree
It just makes me nostalgic for our late-2004 lineup:

Womack
Walker
Pujols
Rolen
Edmonds
Sanders
Renteria
Matheny
Pitcher

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice
remember when it was sometimes:

Pitcher
Matheny

man... Renteria hitting 7th.  that just makes me sad now.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

What did we call it?
Death row or something like that? That was a great line-up. Where's Womack at these days?
I'm a Jenius!

by gibbons on Apr 22, 2007 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Womack
I'm pretty sure that in 2005 he went to the Yankees and proceeded to suck his way out of MLB.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eck is a career .350 OBP
Edgar is a .347 OBP.

Edgar also steals more bases. Why couldn't he lead off again?

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 22, 2007 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Free baseball card
Going through my attic this morning and found a
John Fulgham Cardinal's baseball card. It is obvious that he is the reason for the bad play this year. I must get rid of it.
Anyone want it?

by saladdin69 on Apr 22, 2007 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Jesus
Pu is just trying to do too much...surprised Floyd didn't beat it out.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

And he redeems himself
Pujols must have not wanted Theriot on those bases!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wainwright doesn't look sharp today...
... breaking balls are going everywhere but where he wants them to go.

let's hope he can get out of this and settle in. otherwise, it's another long afternoon.

by kindred on Apr 22, 2007 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

WTF is happening to Wainer?
He's forgotten the art of making wagons, it seems.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

not an expert
i didn't even pitch when i did play ball, but it looks as if he is planting that left foot way too soon when he is throwing.

by lopey986 on Apr 22, 2007 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

These runs are on Edmonds
He makes Juan look like a 'scrappy' outfielder these days.

RUN AFTER THE BALL!

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

that is just
edmonds being edmonds. he has done it his entire career but he is not a spry young man anymore and he needs to run a little harder to make up for it. old habits die hard i guess.

by lopey986 on Apr 22, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well those two runs...
may have been 25 based on this offense. It's really hard to support these guys when they give you almost nothing to cheer about.

by Brownale on Apr 22, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

wow.
Rolen hasn't hit a ball that hard in weeks. and with 2 strikes against him, too.

by kindred on Apr 22, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Jimmy...
..Home Run if you don't mind

by Harknights on Apr 22, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy Crap
why haven't I been asking that all season?!?

by Harknights on Apr 22, 2007 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

thank god
our long national nightmare is over

by lookit on Apr 22, 2007 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

About effing time JIMMY!!!!
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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

way to go
jimmy baseball!!!
this is the season when jimmy baseball returns to his old 2004 self!

by cards4life on Apr 22, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow that's a good sign
Rolen with a rip, Edmonds with a bomb.  Kinda like the good ole days right?  A Pujols line-drive home run and I'll be happy.
Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions  

actually I was cussing
after Rolen's at bat- he didn't hustle to first and almost got thrown out on an easy infield hit.  Thankfully Jimmy shut me up.
"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he didn't hustle
But he stung the ball.
Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sarcasm?
On the STL broadcast Jay and Rick were complimenting his hustle out of the box. The video they showed had him trucking down the line the whole way.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno
Sure looked to me like he slowed down the last few steps and only ran 2-3 steps past the bag.  Hopefully my perceptions were wrong. He did hit the ball hard, and that's a great sign.

(I'm stuck with the WGN broadcasters on mlb.tv and they aren't all that interested in talking about the baseball that's actually being played).

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2007 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

WGN Broadcasts
My favorite things about those are that half the cameramen, at any given times, are looking for gals in the crowd to get on TV.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was so dissapointed
when they dropped chip carey. he was entertaining to listen to when the cubs were losing/lost.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

On yahoo!
On yahoo gamechannel, it indicates that there have been some flyballs to deep outfield by guys such as miles and kennedy, are these balls truly being hit well?

by Brownale on Apr 22, 2007 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Edmonds would like to thank the wind for that
longball.

It may have gotten out without the wind, but I'm skeptical.  He's had that exact same cut and had them be flyballs in the gap many times this season.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 2:53 PM EDT reply actions  

wow
did jimmy crap in your cereal bowl this mornin'?

by lopey986 on Apr 22, 2007 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not particularly
But this wind is making people like Miles and Kennedy look like sluggers.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was probably 425 feet
That'd be some wind.
Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I think
that we also probably lead the league in % of total hits that were by our pitchers...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

wind is blowing out
how about a Wainwright HR here.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

see ya
what was he looking for there? that was right down the middle. good job Wagonmaker. good job.
The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Free Tito Landrum/Al Omsted/Andy Rincon Card.
Cardinals Future Stars baseball card to a good home.

Went through attic today.

by saladdin69 on Apr 22, 2007 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

what about
my Cris (not Chris) Carpenter cards...

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

We should start
a mailing list for Cardinals baseball cards of players who have been "forgotten."
The more obscure the better.

by saladdin69 on Apr 22, 2007 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm watching the reds game too,
anyone know why josh hamilton isn't with the Cards? the Rays just cut him for no reason. sure he had drug and alcohol problems, but he got clean a few years ago. that kid can play. anyone know how he ended up with the reds?
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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Josh Hamilton
He was suspended from baseball for a few years for coke addiction. His suspension was lifted this winter, the Rays didn't add him to the 40-man roster, the Cubs took him in the rule 5 draft and traded him to the Reds for cash.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i should know not to listen to Kruk
he said on baseball tonight last week the Rays cut him. btw, josh struck out verses a lefty. he's hitting .089 now vs leftys.
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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

the ump is squeezing this inning
not good timing for a struggling pitcher.

Nice K Wainer! Looks like he's getting to his stride today. finally.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 3:13 PM EDT reply actions  

sheesh
i really do strongly dislike the cubs.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Because...
Apparently, the Cardinals aren't hitting much of anything these days...
Bench Juan Encarnacion!

by STLCardinalsFan on Apr 22, 2007 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

F@#$%&K!
how come we can't get barrett out?
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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

AW
can't get the ball down

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

wain
shouldnt adam be using his fastball more? he has thrown a lot of slider this afternoon

by truemun12 on Apr 22, 2007 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

he should use the pitch...
that doesn't get killed. It's starting to look like, much like Reyes, we've overrated him as well.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Apr 22, 2007 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is just sad
remind me again why i put myself through this everyday

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

how many bloop hits are the cubs gonna get today?
Sad to say, but I almost feel lucky that we've ONLY given up four runs so far.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

5 runs this inning
Redbird bats to come alive against Miller.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

nice hit albie
i don't think we're out of this yet.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

That's gotta be
one of the scariest things in baseball for a pitcher.

An Albert Pujols liner right up the middle at your head.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Funny
I was thinking his legs are looking bigger than ever.  
Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

2 on for J'Ed
When was the last time Albert, Scotty and Jimmy got back-to-back-to-back hits?

by Zubin on Apr 22, 2007 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

go ahead jimmy
how about 2 fer?
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 3:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I read a lot of BS in the papers from LaRussa
this morning.  But we've hit the ball hard a few times today.  Just missed w/ that one.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Kennedy
will swing here.  Guaranteed.

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Geez.............
What i wouldn't give for a lousy hit with risp.......

by fuegophil on Apr 22, 2007 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

It's gonna be hard
to blame Pujols and Rolen for this inning!

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

AK
how about that?!!!!!!!!

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

AK!
where've you been?

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Not Dead Kennedy
Things are much easier when players aren't hitting .190.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Attaboy Kennedy!
FINALLY a hit with RISP
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

hey
way to come thru ak7

by lopey986 on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

adam!
havent said that in awhile!

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

did the hit
stun you into incoherence?  I thought I was hallucinating!

by chuckb on Apr 22, 2007 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just about to make a comment about how my
arthritic gloucomic 80 year old granny has better bat speed than Kennedy...

Yeah stunned is about right.

by Zubin on Apr 22, 2007 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

come on yadi
a 2 out rbi would be special
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

By the script
Tie game. Check.
Give up lead off hit. Check.

by saladdin69 on Apr 22, 2007 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

lenandbob@aol.com
Anyone else up for some constructive criticism emails?

by saladdin69 on Apr 22, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

we should tell them
to keep talking about bands.  it really makes them sound more hip!

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Edmonds
was telling Miles how to be more nonchalant when going back for pop flies.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

OH YEAH BABY!
6 runs?!  It must be Sunday...oh wait...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

a lead! a lead!
kinda forgot what this was like.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

YEAH!!
BIG BOMB BABY DUNK!!!!
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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Dunc!
He is a big, scary man.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 22, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

wow.
i still can't believe that i once wanted jock to move him for pitching.

by gentry13 on Apr 22, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

This ump's strike call
sounds like a dying bullfrog.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 3:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Can we get Iffy in the game now?
To give up the lead now so I want be as hurt in the 9th.

by saladdin69 on Apr 22, 2007 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Rolen!
"Hey, everybody! let's go to the mean!"

by DanUpBaby on Apr 22, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh man!!
That was vintage Scotty Ro right there!!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

hmmm...
so im thinking the cubs will score 2 in the next inning...just a guess
come on albert send it for a ride!

by agahr00 on Apr 22, 2007 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

this is nice
but we must remember this is wade miller. he's hardly a major league pitcher. still, it is nice to beat up on the cubbies. thanks for getting our bats going wade. it's amazing they sent him out there.
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 22, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

True enough,
But a few games like this might get the boys to stop pressing, it might help relax them at the plate. Hopefully...

by fuegophil on Apr 22, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

it must be a windy sunday afternoon
because Scottie just went out of the park! nice swing scottie.
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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

strong relief pitching
we're going to need it this game.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

WW's at 70 pitches
Entering the bottom of the fifth.

The Cubs will all be looking to hit it in the air to left. It'd be nice to see them come up with a gameplan to exploit that and get some quick outs.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols last at-bat
can't blame him...I'd swing at anything Miller threw on a 3-1 today as well.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty freakin weak AK
i know you got a double last inning, but what are you doing looking at pitches down the middle of the plate? then swinging at junk in the dirt?

show of hands, who thinks the bats will go back to sleep now that a lefty is pitching?

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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Michael Barrett owns the Cards......
Maybe we should just walk him every time, no matter what....

by fuegophil on Apr 22, 2007 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

wainer really seems to be living on the upper...
side of the strike zone. i'm afraid he's going to be dying there as well.

by gentry13 on Apr 22, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

cedeno looks awful here
i think yadi had the ball in his mitt on strike 2 before cedeno started his swing
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by nycbirdo on Apr 22, 2007 4:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice to see WW fighting
He might make it through 6 innings after all.

This game might never end.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Ah OK
Thanks.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's with the team
he's starting tomorrow. he might be able to pinch hit, but my guess is only in an emergency situation.
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 22, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's on the bench in uniform
what are you talking about?
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha
shows how much i know. i thought someone said he wasnt with the team and was at home recovering and getting ready to rejoin the team tomorrow.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

one more wainer
almost got em
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

that last one was a strike
but we still got out of it in the end

by tnek5 on Apr 22, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Daryl Ward
Our starters have been abusing him this series.

After the second batter, Wainwright looked pretty damned good that inning.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Wuertz just rocked our world
Maybe he should have started for the Cubs...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

but Wade Miller was so good
for the Astros...

like 5 years ago...

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, miller is washed up
that's for sure. it's gonna be a bit tougher the rest of the way. miller has very little left; his fastball tops off at like 86. if we didn't get to him, i was gonna freak out.
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 22, 2007 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

BCB is entertaining today
Everyone is pissed so they're all taking it out on this one guy, MrDurden.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know...
what it's like to be a Cub fan, but that board is full the most emotionally overwrought fans... Every little hiccup is the end of the world.
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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

that my friends is what you get
when you have a infielder playing the outfield
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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

yep.
that appeared like an (un)intentional walk.

by gentry13 on Apr 22, 2007 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats a no
come on albert send it for a ride!

by agahr00 on Apr 22, 2007 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do you have anything else to contribute?
Other than asking if people are suprised every time something bad happens?

Just seems pretty pointless....

by moser34 on Apr 22, 2007 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same
but then I tacked on an 'in', something about someone's mother and then something to do with a bull and its waste.
Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

well shucks
10 runs may not be enough today...
"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2007 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Ramirez sure did take a long time to watch a
386 foot homerun.

Buzz by next time up, anyone?

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

well, it did look like he almost
fell on his ass. doesn't bother me (since pujols does it). but, i wouldn't mind a little chin tune.
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 22, 2007 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

would've liked to see ww
sneak away with a chance for the win.
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 22, 2007 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

nobody seriously thought
7 runs was going to be enough to win today did they?

curses and bad vibes to all things cub related

losing is bad enough, but do we always have to lose to them?

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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

10 might be enough
but we don't have em yet.  Wainer was looking pretty good getting out of the 5th, but that was  a big mistake.

let's hold'em here and get a lead again.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

And how
Flores had a quietly dominating Spring.

His first outing was some mop-up work and he gave up two runs. After that, he was lights out, but the ERA was misleadingly high enough that few people noted him.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that was definitely a lefty
Isn't Springer a righty?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah your right
I have to watch it on WGN because that's the only station playing it in DC, and those idiot announcers said springer was coming in...go figure...

by MarcGldstn on Apr 22, 2007 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

for crying out loud...
gdm spare us the sky is falling nonsense... Do we really "always" lose to the Cubs?
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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

we have not beaten them consistantly
in a good year and a half. that's what i'm talking about. remember when they couldnt buy a win at Busch II for a long time?

now the shoe is on the other foot so to speak.

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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

We've...
won 5 of the last 6 and 6 of 8... That's pretty consistent.
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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

why was wainwright
brought back out there to pitch the sixth? He had given up ten hits in the first five innings. The team needs a win right now. Pushing to see if a pitcher can go one more inning on a day when he's not going well is of no use.

by AL on Apr 22, 2007 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Just a guess
He looked good at the end of the fifth. Maybe they thought tacking another inning on the day would keep his ERA down and his confidence high.

If that was the thinking, it sure backfired.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was only...
at 91 pitches...
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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps
they are trying to stretch him out, see how he handles later innings.  

by awpierce on Apr 22, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wish Ditka sang today
Although Gould wasn't much better...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Leadoff walk
Very nice...

Molina bunt?
Pinch-hit Taguchi?

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Win or lose...
at least the Stros went down today... And in an especially brutal way:

Down 4-0 in the ninth they go double-walk-double-walk-K-single-walk-K-foul out to plate 3 and lose by one.

Also, Brad Lidge threw one pitch and gave up a double.

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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

lidge sucks
he needs a change of scenery. acquire him?

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that depends
If he sucks, then no.
If he needs a change of scenery, then yes.

Those two aren't always the same.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok lemme rephrase that
lidge sucks in houston. maybe duncan can straighten him out.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotcha
I agree with that.  Would be a good acquisition, I think.

Just giving you a hard time, lol.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure...
he'll be fa after next year. I don't think Purpura is anxious to see what Duncan can make of him.
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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who feels a PW GIDP?
Not trying to be pessimistic or anything.

Actually, PW has hit well in this series.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

cs in front a walk in the 8th
kennedy looks as bad a cedeno on that
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

another long ball
may be the only way to score molina from 1st
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 5:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha
I have my doubts he could have scored on a triple.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn
A few inches higher and that would've scored Molina.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Someone just yelled
"HEY! THROW STRIKES!"

I hope it was Piniella.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 5:06 PM EDT reply actions  

fang, does every one of your comments
have to say "suck" or "fuck"?

and does every one of them have to point out the obvious?

by lboros on Apr 22, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

apologies
im typing before i think. ill switch the order from now on.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks
i know it's hard to watch the team struggle ---- but there's 144 games to go after this one. save some energy!

by lboros on Apr 22, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

why
are u only saying something to fang about this when there have been many others earlier in the thread that u never said a word to? i went back through and only found one case each of "suck" and "fuck", why narrow him out?
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Apr 22, 2007 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

its ok
i think he was trying to send a message to the entire board and i was the biggest offender.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

this isnt going to end well.
lead off hits late in the game dont usually go down well.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope we are saving something dramatic for
Dempster... It would be nice to break another NL Central closer.

by OCCardsFan on Apr 22, 2007 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

nice pitching franklin
still need to get to 10.
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

time for some 9th inning offense
followed by an Izzy nail-biter in which he gets another save by the skin of his teeth.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Attaway Franklin
D-Lee and Ramirez were scaring me there...
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

is it in the 8th
now trying to see if gamecast is right...7-7
Kenny is a "dirt" bag?

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

nice work by franklin...
particularly appreciated the way he approached d. lee.

by gentry13 on Apr 22, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

It is pretty interesting
that it is a sunday and yet again the cards figure out what that wood stick in their hands is for...if only everyday could be a sunday

by MarcGldstn on Apr 22, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

ok ...
here we go.  got the big bats up ...
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Apr 22, 2007 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

dunc, AP, rolen
one of them will get a hit if not a homer.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Sweet
BB to Dunc to lead off, Pujols up next!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

yeah
lead off walk! lets go pujols!

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I love hearing
all of those Wrigley fans start freaking out with that walk to dunc in front of Pujols

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder
whether Duncan/La Russa had identified Franklin as an 8th inning guy when they went out and got him.  He has been solid.

by awpierce on Apr 22, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

great at-bat by dunc.
again, i still can't believe i wanted jock to trade him. come on apu!

by gentry13 on Apr 22, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

even though AP struggling
I'd pitch around him and pitch to Rolen..cause he has scraped longer dating back to last yr
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

thats why i manage at home
just checked to see he was 4-4 today
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by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

good ab dunc
going the other way fouling em off.  taking on balls.  don't get picked off.
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

this just in
cubs announcers dont know anything about baseball. pujols? bunting? ha!

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

is santo
screaming yet? oH no Oh my..thats terrible..haha
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by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

He passed out drunk a few...
...innings ago (or alternativly, he's completely nonsensical naturally).

by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 22, 2007 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Santo is in the hospital
for an irregular heartbeat.

That is legit.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya know if pujols bunted
it would probably end up 1st and 2nd, no out.  Might not be a bad idea...  keep 'em on their toes, at least.
"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2007 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

that works too
;)
"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols hit that
Directly at the KSDK camera. It looked cartoonishly awesome.

Speaking of cartoonishly awesome, is it just me, or does Sweet Lou look vaguely like Goro from the Mortal Kombat movies.

Nice 2-RBI triple by ScoRo there!

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

WOW
Rolen, 5-5...TRIPLE!!  Is he back????
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

BIG BAT SCOTTIE!!!!
way to stay perfect scottie!!

come on men! lets get some more!

The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

And with a runner on 3rd an 0 outs
10 runs is still doable!
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

So that's what happens...
..when your 3-4-5 hitters all ... well ... hit.

Cool man.

by Harknights on Apr 22, 2007 5:24 PM EDT reply actions  

MV3! MV3! MV--
wait, Schumaker? Always ruining my happy moments.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 22, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Terrible
I'm guessing I'm the last Schumaker defender left around here, but popping up there, with that count, was just terrible.

He's certainly done nothing to justify his roster spot in the (pretty damned good) opportunities they've given him.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow
what a 5 hit day will do for your average. the meat of our lineup doesnt look THAT bad anymore

by longhornscardinals on Apr 22, 2007 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

A few of their comments:
I don't like Rolen
I would have if the Phillies had traded him to the Cubs but now I just can't stand him.  His reputation exceeds his results.  Except for today.

by pageian on Sunday, April 22, 2007 at 4:23 PM CT

Well Shit
How many times have we been forced to attempt a 9th inning rally?

by Walker71421 on Sunday, April 22, 2007 at 4:23 PM CT

We lose
cries

by grifdog on Sunday, April 22, 2007 at 4:22 PM CT

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

and from A league of Her Own...
...these choice comments:

Miller is doing his best to over shadow  
in a bad way.  He's worse than Marquis.

Well  
I already said that he's worse than Marquis, so I don't think you can be any meaner than I was.

 Funny how...  
...the Cardinals players converge on a ball and one of them ends up catching it.  Huh.  That's how it is supposed to work.

"There's No 'I' in Fuck You, Carol Corso" - The Prognosticator  
by: gravedigger @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 14:42:06 PM CDT  

part of the excitement of Cubs baseball  
is seeing who will go on the 15-day DL for that kind of collision.  Are you never satisifed?

"David Cone is in a class by himself with only three or four other players." --George Steinbrenner
 by: Max Power @ Sun Apr 22, 2007 at 14:51:38 PM CDT

by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 22, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Howry
money well spent?..see guys spending money doesnt equal greatness..although last yr he wasnt too bad era wise but did blow 4 saves and 5 losses but 21 holds...still think they overpaid for him and ere
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Rolen hitting .273 through today
Why is Skip Schumaker still on the big league club?
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Because he is better
than j-rod
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now.

by theguuch99 on Apr 22, 2007 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

oh brother
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice sunday offense
We'd be a great football team.

On a sour note, another runner on 3rd with no outs, and we're failing to get him home.... I can't stand it.

by redbird2006in on Apr 22, 2007 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

cubs announcers...
what did they say on the triple?
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by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Schumaker...
needs to go down... That nice Spring he put together seems like years ago.
Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

the wgn announcer
just suggested that the cubs get the bears' kicker (who gave a horrifying rendition of "take me out to the ballgame" in the mid-7th break) to kick a goddam field goal, as they now need three runs to take the lead.

i don't have the words.

and neither do they.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Apr 22, 2007 5:27 PM EDT reply actions  

if they
refered to Gould as the bears kicker thats funny...I just wish i could hear santo on the triple
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by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Santo
Actually he's in the hospital with an irregular heartbeat.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

bummer
i love hearing him whine when they stink it up...Santo is like one of us calling a game at times...one of my friends got me listening to him call games not as good as Buck or Uker but i like him..i think he feels the pain of a loss
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by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, no, i guess they didn't
they referred to gould by name - i must've gotten the impression that he was the bears' kicker on my own.

i was more shocked by their field-goal-as-baseball-strategy.

I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Apr 22, 2007 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait, gould IS
the bears' kicker, at least according to my google search. i'm confused.
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Apr 22, 2007 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya i was saying
if the cubs announcers didnt know the bears kickers name was gould that is funny
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by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

no ten-run sunday
:(      im not sure he tagged molina

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I just wanted to say
that Jose reyes is exciting
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by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

He's so exciting
He makes games more exciting even if he's not playing in them.

Just knowing he's out there, somewhere. Maybe even watching this game.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on IZZY!
lets make this a quick one K buddy?
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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL
WGN just zoomed in on Eck for the first time at SS...and he proceeded to boot an infield warm-up grounder.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:33 PM EDT reply actions  

barrett
is he bribing our pitchers?

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Time for bionic Izzy
to slam the door shut after giving up a hit.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 5:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Brenly:
"Isringhausen is one of the premier closers in all of baseball."
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Izzy is the worst closer in the league
I still would rather have Lidge, think they would trade
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now.

by theguuch99 on Apr 22, 2007 5:35 PM EDT reply actions  

what!?
please take your extreme comments somewhere else. izzy is an established, very good major league closer.

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed
its worth mentioning that, besides the injury, at least three of his blown saves last year were a result of errors.

by longhornscardinals on Apr 22, 2007 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's ridiculous
i'm not even going to post their respective ERAs. but i hope you're joking about izzy v. lidge. not to mention many, many closers on teams around the league.
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Apr 22, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

To risk the jinx
He's looked great this season. Like the rest of the Cardinals, we must let go of last season and focus on the games at hand.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

At this point...
Lidge can't even be on a Major League roster. He threw one pitch today, gave up a double, and was yanked...
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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ninth Inning
That wasn't Isringhausen's fault.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

R U fucking kidding me?
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now.

by theguuch99 on Apr 22, 2007 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

What's with the language?
what was the outrage?
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

off subject
but anyone see the Lakers more specific Kobes collapse in the 4th? in the wordfs of LT frank Drebin "you smell like sewage,""I love it"
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by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

ahhh
nothing better than the sound of boos from the cubbie faithful after cedeno strikes out witht the tying run still coming to the plate.

by sdesserman on Apr 22, 2007 5:38 PM EDT reply actions  

this is great.
gotta love baseball & cards/cubs!
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Apr 22, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

hah
dig the dude in the green UT shirt

by longhornscardinals on Apr 22, 2007 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

make him look bad izzy
that 2nd strike was a beaute.   one more.
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought there were
several times last year, in various games, where guys bats sounded funny. Didn't see a single bat checked though...........

by fuegophil on Apr 22, 2007 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cedeno
how long before they trade him to a new team and he does alot better ie..Patterson
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by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn it
I hate the Cubs' in-play bullpen.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

ouch.
izzy can't help but make it interesting.
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Apr 22, 2007 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

grrrr
nice hitting, Fonz.

I'll give it to Izzy. He's kept the tone of the game intact.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 5:43 PM EDT reply actions  

standard Izzy
Boy a frosty cold Budweiser would be great about now.

by theguuch99 on Apr 22, 2007 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

OH CRAP
How do we miss that.
Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 22, 2007 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh my lord
Rotten luck.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree
It looked like PW should have made it over for that one, even if he was shaded in the gap.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

O M G
The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

What the hell is going on?
I know Wainwright didn't have his best stuff today, but there have been a TON of bloops hits by the cubs today. The cards ahve earned their runs. The cubs have a radio-controlled wind machine in the stands...

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe there
is a shot at scoring 10...

by MarcGldstn on Apr 22, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

the man we have grown to love
is back er soemthing
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by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

That's awful
My head's ringing from a double hand slap.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

i hate extra innings
especially when the place to eat dinner at is only open til 6:30 ET
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2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 22, 2007 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

yep, we needed 10
but we didn't need to give em 9 just play til we do.
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Apr 22, 2007 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

free baseball
might as well get some extra innings against the cubs.

Izzy must feel like someone punched him in the gut.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

His middle infielders
cost him 2 outs.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rolen gets a chance to go 6 for 6
with a base clearing double.

We just didn't get the chance to rock Dempster's world, that's all.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Great...
and Dunc and Kennedy are on the bench.
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by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

well
I'm just checking in now....for some reason I thought this was a night game. Whoops....looks like I've been missing a good one....which figures, because I watched til the bitter end yesterday.

30 hits combined between the two teams? Wow....

by nota bene on Apr 22, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Big, big break for the Cubs but...
You put men on base and you're just asking for trouble.  

by svengali on Apr 22, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

wilson
hits a nice little duck fart

by KeepOnRolen on Apr 22, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I really really want to win
But even if we lose, you have to say this is better than our 6-1 suckfest losses.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

if they had
J-rod he could pinch hit here and then work an inning in relief i just wanted to be the first to post a ridiculous J-rod extra inning post here
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by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Wilson stinks
Where was Wilson? Not only did he get picked off, but he let the final out drop.  He doesn't deserve to wear the Cardinal uniform.

http://whiteyball.wordpress.com

by whiteyball on Apr 22, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

he didn't get picked off
he got doubled off on a bang-bang play.

it appeared as if miles had the best chance on the windblown ball.

by sdesserman on Apr 22, 2007 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?
I agree that PW probably should have made the catch in the 9th, but here's what PW has done in this series:

GW HR on Friday
2-for-2 today.

And he just scored the go-ahead run.

Wrigley is PW's stomping ground.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

the catch in the 9th
was PW's to make, and he would have made it but miles cut him off; PW had to pull up.  We're really lucky no one got hurt on that play.

Really, wrigley is the only plausible villain on that one, ridiculous joke of an 19th century ballpark that it is.  

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2007 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

i stand corrected
there's a bloop for the cards.

let's go miles! pretend the cubs are trying to rob you in your hotel and go all Jack Bauer on them!

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

PDUB
2-2 they need to bootle and sell what he has drank this series...cubs pitchers?
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:51 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry Bottle it
and sell it..bottled cubs pitchers..
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by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

miles looked clueless.
that was one of those moments i wish we spent 2 mil on belly.

by gentry13 on Apr 22, 2007 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Alright Albert
do your thing big man.

do  your thing

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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

pujols
when did he start growing the beard
Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 22, 2007 5:53 PM EDT reply actions  

hope he keeps it
maybe it's like sampson's hair
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Apr 22, 2007 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Albert goes ...
...well Albert, with that swing!!!!!!!!

by Ignatius J Reilly on Apr 22, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

HOME RUN
12-9!!!

Good day for folks with the MV3 on their fantasy team

He just tied Ken Boyer for second all-time Cardinal home runs

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2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 22, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

WHOA!
That one looked pretty locked in...

BOOOYAAAHH

by OCCardsFan on Apr 22, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

EL HOMBRE
out of the stadium, dead CF
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

ALBERT!!!!!!
awesome awesome awesome.
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Apr 22, 2007 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

hahaha
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you
Albert Pujols.

I think Jason Isringhausen might buy him dinner after all.

I'm glad Wilson didn't get to that ball all the sudden.

That's the kind of excitement we've been missing this year!

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

2 to go?
Do the Reds really have a closer?

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

touché
perhaps they'll trade lidge to cincy and pujols will topple him all over again.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE SUNDAY
I believe in the Sports Guy rule. Any "complaining" in this post is actually happy, cheerful "constructive criticism."

by nycbirdo on Apr 22, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

holy cow.
He hit that a million feet. Time for Rolen to hit the cycle.

by DanUpBaby on Apr 22, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!
OUT OF THE PARK BABY!!!!

That's 12!

come on Scottie!

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by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Blow it up
El Hombre goes out of that dump of a stadium.  If ever a stadium needed to be blown up it is that eye sore.

http://whiteyball.wordpress.com

by whiteyball on Apr 22, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Wrigley is the best sports venue in America
Hate the Cubs.
Hate their fans.

Don't hate on the ballpark.

by musial6 on Apr 22, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

MV3 is back...
(they're appearing monthly these days)
Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Homeruns for
#2, #3, #4, #5 in the order.  Gonna win alot of ballgames like that.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

no doubt
let's hope this is the beginning of a trend.
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Apr 22, 2007 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

As good as they have looked throughout the game
Scott and Jim both looked pretty weak in that last at bat.  Maybe they just want to get this over.

by OCCardsFan on Apr 22, 2007 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Did he just bring up
a game from the mid 80's?

How about that game during the Civil War?

Or that game in the Dark Ages?

How about that game at the dawn of time?

by Harknights on Apr 22, 2007 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

who?
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry
I'm watching WGN.

Brenly just talked about Sandberg hitting two HR's off of Sutter.

by Harknights on Apr 22, 2007 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey!
Some of us remember the mid 80's. Quite fondly, I may add.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 22, 2007 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha Brenly
remeber that time they gave him the announcer job and he thought he might get to coach after dusty left..woops
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

so who pitches?
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Albert's OPS
is over .800!  Celebrate, people!

by jfs on Apr 22, 2007 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

how bout that game in 2003
NLCS, with future hall of fame outfielder bartman...

by MarcGldstn on Apr 22, 2007 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Trivia time...
when was the last time MV3 all homered in the same game?
Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

i dont know
anyone want to look it up
Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 22, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

July 2, 2006?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13675411/wid/6448213/

Pujols' 27th HR helps Cards avoid sweep
Rolen, Edmonds also homer as St. Louis reclaims 1st in NL Central

Marquis pitched that day in a 9-7 win against Kansas City

Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 22, 2007 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I missed that one
Went all the way back to July 26th, 2004 looking for one, too!

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was on a Sunday
I think.

If not, it was opening day last season.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I thought it was on a Sunday
because someone had made a gif of them hitting the homeruns and it had KPLR or whatever graphics on it.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 22, 2007 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

July 2nd is my birthday
And it most definitely did fall on a Sunday last year.

 

by stl tyler on Apr 23, 2007 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

July 2, 2006
against KC.

Seemed like longer than that...

Acquire any Established Major League Outfielder!

by guayzimi on Apr 22, 2007 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Johnson here
Best stuff among the relief staff.
Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Isringhausen in line for the win
(Knock on wood)

Somehow there's no justice in that.

In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 6:00 PM EDT reply actions  

If he's awarded the W
Everytime he's hung with a BS, won't we all be pleased as punch?

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess that's a good point
Need to stay positive...at least he didn't let in the game-winner.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

pretty sure
TJ gets the cheap win (and springer the cheap save)

could be wrong though.

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 22, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

i've been on here and ESPNNews
the last hr or so..notone cubs card higlight or breaking news
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 6:01 PM EDT reply actions  

a little actually
but hey i have seen 3 lakers highlights...

Jose Reyes...exciting

now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Springers gameday pic says
Got any weed?
or i got busted for domestic violence
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

hurry up!
dinner closes here at 6:30 and i dont want to waste my late night snack food this early...
Redbirds Fun
The Kentucky Democrat
2006 WS for JB and DK57

by cardsfan84 on Apr 22, 2007 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

game ball goes to
Dempster
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Rolen
He was awesome today.
In Albert we trust.

by Mr Redbird on Apr 22, 2007 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a game
Maybe a couple months from now, we'll look back on this game as a positive turning point in the season.  The Cards' bats finally came alive and they grinded out the win.
matty fred is a web log.

by matty fred on Apr 22, 2007 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

And That's A Winner!
that's what I call a very fustrating win. lots of ups and downs. a very crazy 9th that cost IZZY a save.

but a win is a win. and I'll take all the wins this team can get right now.

good to spend it with some Cards fans. see everyone next time.

I AM OUT.

GOOD NIGHT VEB!

The 2006 St.Louis Cardinals. WORLD CHAMPIONS OF THE WORLD. And That's A Winner!

by gdm426 on Apr 22, 2007 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

WHAT THE HELLLL
With 2 outs in the bottom of the 10th ..

Cox Communications (my service provider for the game) cuts to the "Messiah" and has the date 06/07/97 with a picture of a man wearing a turben.
It then cuts to a picture of a sword, the earth and various planets rotating around a ball of fire and a narrator chimes in with..
"In the beginning of the third millenium.."

WHAT THE HELLL

by KeepOnRolen on Apr 22, 2007 6:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Mine did something like that too
I missed the end of the game. My screen said "The Universe of Yahweh" or something like that. sorta freaky.

my provider is DISH network, btw.

by effin fisk on Apr 22, 2007 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea
Same here.....pretty lame.

by Pujols for MVP on Apr 22, 2007 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mine just went black for the last play
It came back with Wilson making a catch at the wall.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

what the hell kind of game was that?
32 runs on Sundays.
30 the rest of the week.

I'll take 2 of 3 at Wrigley anytime (well, most years.)

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 6:12 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks
for the reminder... I had put a mental block on that game.

by madding on Apr 22, 2007 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

im sorry
but does anyone feel that rick horton and jay randolph should switch roles?

by stlcardinalsfang on Apr 22, 2007 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

ESPNEWS
cards higlights after the commercial
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy Jamoley!!
Was that a rollercoaster ride or what? I don't see that as a frustrating win at all. I see that as the best game yet this season. Our boys were NOT going to quit no matter how many times the Cubs came back. THAT is the spirit I've been looking for all season. Let's hope it translates into more wins. Nice work, boys!!

by rockin redbird on Apr 22, 2007 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

That was a lot of fun
Great to win the series.

Now let's see if the poor play at home can end. I like the matchups—we've got our best two pitchers taking on their best two. Win those and the Keisler game is gravy.

by liam on Apr 22, 2007 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I need to go clean my pants
"Pujols is the best. He is my hero. If I were traded, I'd like to play with him in St. Louis...But I'd really like to play with him. He is a player who has consistently achieved exceptional production every year, and even won a Gold Glove."

-Miguel Cabrera

Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 6:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah,
they're actually really good friends... gives me hope.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 22, 2007 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone else more than ready to say
"Welcome to the team"?
On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Apr 22, 2007 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

he'd be pretty expensive.
can he play right field?
satis superque

by ortic jones on Apr 22, 2007 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmm
Eck SS
Dunc LF
Hombre 1B
Rolen 3B
Cabrera RF
Jed CF
AK 2B
Yadi C

Oof. I guess you'd have to bat him 5th....Duncan and Pujols aren't going to move, and if Rolen is getting his mojo back Tony probably won't move him either....

I like the idea of an everyday OF of Dunc, Jed, and Cabrera....whew....if Jocketty thinks he can get him I bet he pulls the trigger....

by nota bene on Apr 22, 2007 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cabrera in his career, games played:
LF- 248
RF- 100

If the Fonz can play center in Wrigley, Miggy can be an everyday outfielder

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 22, 2007 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's kinda like Pujols
in that he's a natural third baseman that is talented enough to get the job done anywhere.  He's put on some weight since moving back to third but would probably lose it again if he had to play the outfield.  

Rumor has it he's kinda standoffish.  Doesn't like veterens and wants nothing to do with their advice.  Although it sounds like he truly respects Pujols so they might get along together.

Anyway, I'm not even going to attempt to get my hopes up.  Florida is famous for taking teams to the cleaners and I'm not sure we'd have enough anyways.

by Big Red on Apr 22, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah
I don't see exactly why Florida would even be thinking about shopping Cabrera--the only reason that they would would either be that they get an absurdly advantageous offer for him, or if there's something secretly wrong about him.  Either way, we probably don't want him.

by Valatan on Apr 22, 2007 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

They have shown in the past that they'll
put up big arb money for dontrelle -- I'd figure they would for miggy as well, faces of the franchise and all. If not, though, I could see him being dealt one of these years, or at least before he becomes a FA.

The way Florida handles personel, I don't blame him for not taking anyones advice; at the age of 23 last year, he was the seasoned vet on the team. I would assume he's more than a little jaded and sees the game for what it is: a business.

It's all pipe dreams but he and Pujols back-to-back would make me allsorts of happy.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Apr 22, 2007 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he will be 'outpriced' for the Fish
until the finally get a new park.  If they get one, no way do they let him slip away.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 23, 2007 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

well
the way they build a team down there is through the draft. They keep Miguel so they get his compensation, right? I mean, they're total a-holes as far as any fan is concerned (stadium, etc) but they know what they're doing when it comes to personal.

by lookit on Apr 23, 2007 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oops
"(if applicable to the game) A teaser sentence can be written here to get the reader to click on hyper-linked Elias at start of this entry. -->"

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=270422116

Pujols you alive??

by joker24 on Apr 22, 2007 6:48 PM EDT reply actions  

My head hurts...
but AP's home run should have come with a soundtrack saying, "I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS!!!!!"

Ah, Wrigley with the wind blowin' out... what's the over/under on "Sweet" Lou poppin' a blood vessel this summer? May 30? May 15? Today????

Pound that Bud and get dem Reds Tuesday...

"A man should live forever, or die trying." -- Mike Callahan

by The Ol Goaler on Apr 22, 2007 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

We should not only p;ick
a date, but how...Throwing second base, several gatorade containers,jack slapping Cedeno...I'mgonna go with May 14th against the Mets on ESPN...he will go after Miller after hearing how Exciting Reyes is for the last time
now not only a clever saying, but a team that plays in STL

by punchinjudy on Apr 22, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW!!
Just got back from the game and boy was it crazy.  Gotta give kudos to the Cards fans who were really loud today.  "Let's Go Cards" chants ALL DAY LONG much louder than the Cubs chants.  Usually, the Cubs fans can drown them out after it gets started but not today.

I'm worn out.  Btw, Albert obliterated that pitch!!  Never hear how far it went, but the guy next to me told me that Sosa hit one on top of that centerfield camera shed-thingie and it was estemated at like 460, so Albert's had to go farther.

Horray for 10 Run Sundays!!!

by Big Red on Apr 22, 2007 8:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Winning with Yadi
     If you've followed my posts, you know I've been an apologist for Yadi's hitting.  Yes he is THE glove man at his position in the MLB.  However, I am beginning to wonder why he has so many dry spells wih the stick. Yes, he has been money in the playoffs, but it would be nice for him to carry the load, and take the pressure off of the other guys, more often during the regular season.  I would hate for the front office to replace his mastery in the field with a guy who can rake.....  I guess what I'm saying is that after his great performances with the stick in the playoffs, I am expecting more in the regular season as his career matures.
     Great win!  Give it a rest with the dissing of Preston for Crissakes!    

by Yadier on Apr 22, 2007 11:00 PM EDT reply actions  

He's having a better April
than last season.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Apr 23, 2007 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now if only we can break out the Sunday elixir...
...through the rest of the week.

Disappointing outing for Wagonmaker, but a win is a win is a win.  Super exciting to see that kind of run production from the 2-5 spots.  MV4, anyone?

Also, congratulations are due to Adam Kennedy, who doubled his RBI total for the season.  At this rate he'll be in double digits by June.  I like his defense and I do think his bat will come around a little, but couldn't Miles (or Belly for that matter) perform just as well for less cash money?

by stl tyler on Apr 23, 2007 2:27 AM EDT reply actions  

re: kennedy
If you've been watching the games, he is an absolutely incredible defender.  He gets to balls hit up the middle (even balls hit 3-4 feet on the SS side of the bag) that no one I've ever seen play 2B has gotten.  His bat, by historical standards, is much, much better than what he has shown us so far.  I really think that be about halfway through this season, we'll be considering the kennedy signing to be the best one of the off-season.

And we'll never, ever have to see belliard's tongue again (unless it's during one or the other sweep of the nat's that we have to look forward to later on this season).

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Apr 23, 2007 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

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