community projections XII: st louis cardinals
i'll have a saturday post, and then erik draws the Opening Day honors. today i'm just tying up some loose ends, and i'm gonna ask you all to participate in one last community projection: the cardinals' record.
before we get to that: at about 1 pm central we're gonna have a guest post from al yellon of Bleed Cubbie Blue; i'll be writing something over at his site. al is a friend, a great baseball fan and an excellent writer, one of the best baseball bloggers out there --- in spite of being a cub fan. so please abuse him with respect and courtesy, if you catch my drift. it's natural to feel an irresistible urge to take a few swipes (he's a cub, after all), but do it in a friendly spirit. no broken skin; i don't want him bleeding any of that cubbie-blue stuff all over my nice red blog.
as i said, that'll be at about 1 pm central.
the guys at wsj.com's Daily Fix invited me to participate in their annual baseball predictions contest. i made a total fool of myself and picked the cardinals to repeat as world champs . . . . because, why the hell not? there don't appear to be any dominant teams heading into this season --- the reign of parity continues --- so if one team's about as likely as another to win it all, i figured i might as well just go with a homer pick. how stupid would i look if the cards repeated and i was sitting there with, like, the red sox as my preseason selection. i'd rather look stupid this way; the cardinals probably won't win, but at least i might earn a few points for loyalty. anyway, you can read all my intrepid prognostications, alongside those of a bunch of other web-based baseball know-it-alls, right here.
if, after that, you still have any appetite left for my fearless forecasting, head on over to Baseball Analysts: rich and sully had me back to take part in the nl central roundtable with jeff sackmann of Brew Crew Ball and Beyond the Boxscore. there, too, i've left a record of my idiocy with a raft of totally inaccurate statements about the upcoming baseball season. enjoy.
on to the community projections. let me present all the results to date in one table --- ok, two tables (one for the pitchers, one for the hitters):
| AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | | | AVG | OBP | SLG | |||
| edmonds | 425 | 79 | 116 | 21 | 1 | 25 | 86 | 69 | | | .272 | .373 | .503 | ||
| duncan | 424 | 78 | 114 | 21 | 1 | 26 | 68 | 53 | | | .269 | .350 | .504 | ||
| molina | 431 | 39 | 111 | 20 | 0 | 10 | 57 | 33 | | | .258 | .311 | .374 | ||
| encarnacion | 498 | 66 | 137 | 24 | 3 | 18 | 74 | 34 | | | .275 | .321 | .444 | ||
| eckstein | 498 | 75 | 142 | 20 | 2 | 4 | 39 | 46 | | | .286 | .346 | .358 |
| IP | H | BB | SO | HR | W-L | ERA | WHIP | |||
| wells | 171 | 173 | 68 | 121 | 19 | 12-10 | 4.45 | 1.411 | ||
| reyes | 173 | 163 | 58 | 145 | 24 | 13-9 | 4.14 | 1.280 | ||
| carpenter | 221 | 195 | 48 | 189 | 20 | 19-7 | 3.04 | 1.100 | ||
| wainwright | 172 | 168 | 56 | 142 | 18 | 13-8 | 4.06 | 1.302 | ||
| looper | 133 | 145 | 44 | 81 | 12 | 8-7 | 4.43 | 1.423 |
| IP | H | BB | SO | HR | SV | ERA | WHIP | |||
| izzy | 55 | 44 | 25 | 50 | 5 | 33 | 3.03 | 1.255 |
ok, three tables . . . . whatever. we never got around to projecting the heart of the cardinal order, El Albert and El Scottie --- my fault. but we did get down predictions for all five members of the season-opening rotation, from whom we expect 66 wins. as a point of reference, the 2004 and 2005 season-opening rotations --- both of which stayed almost entirely injury-free --- posted win totals of 72 and 80, respectively. . . . . obviously, knowing what we now know, most of us would alter our projections for juancarnacion at this point. i'll get a link to this summary page up on the sidebar, so we'll have easy access to `em during the season and can track our progress.
for our teamwide community projection, just give me the following --- and please remember to comma-delimit your answers (no spaces):
W,L,RS,RA,GB/GA
that's wins, losses, runs scored, runs allowed, and games ahead/behind in the final standings. for the GB/GA figure, use a + or - sign to indicate whether you mean games ahead or games behind.
finally, one quick point of information from derrick goold --- whose reportage at Bird Land, by the way, was absolutely stellar this spring --- troy cate is being moved back to the bullpen at memphis. i like the move: his career didn't take off until he was moved to the `pen, and his road to the big leagues will probably be shorter this way (think bradley thompson). neither mike parisi nor chris lambert made the memphis rotation to begin the year, while both mike smith and matt ginter did; that i'm not crazy about. in fact, that pisses me off. this was supposed to be the year the organization gave up its weakness for rotting quadruple A flesh and promoted some fresh, springy double A meat. alas, just one of the five memphis starters (hawksworth) is a riser through the ranks. it's not that i think either lambert or parisi has any kind of great potential; lambert, in particular, has shown no sign of being ready to succeed at triple A. but when you don't move guys through the system, the whole pipeline backs up. springfield presumably now opens with a rotation of three holdovers (parisi, lambert, and haberer) and just two additions from class A (boggs and garcia); behind them, the glut at high A includes ottavino, hearne, degerman, norrick, and daley.
both lambert and parisi will be 24 this year --- just a year younger than reyes and wainwright. neither one can prove a thing against double A hitters. in the end, i think this says less about the pitchers than it does about the big-league club's need to have plans B, C, and D this season ---- given the lack of "proven" ability in the big-league rotation, mssrs la russa and duncan probably don't want three fresh-from-double-A starting pitchers sitting down there at memphis.
depth vs development; the eternal struggle continues.
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Flying by the heart.
by Yadier on Mar 30, 2007 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Friend
by Jonathan23 on Mar 30, 2007 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I do...
by Yadier on Mar 30, 2007 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
W,L,RS,RA,GB/GA
by Titus Pullo on Mar 30, 2007 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
W, L, RS, RA, GB/GA
by tdawg on Mar 30, 2007 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To this point
by cardzfanbub on Mar 30, 2007 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can I do this?
88-74 +4
by stlfan on Mar 30, 2007 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lboros -
But, just in case things gets outta hand, take this with you:

prediction: 90-72
by _pistol_ on Mar 30, 2007 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope to be the first to congratulate Al
by sdrone on Mar 30, 2007 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dammit
90,72,754,709,-3
by _pistol_ on Mar 30, 2007 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the pic pistol
by lboros on Mar 30, 2007 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
by TurdFerguson on Mar 30, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
So let's recap:
- Halley's Comet zooms past our planet every 76 years or so, and it has visited Earth TWICE since the Cubbies last won a championship in 1908.
- Meanwhile, the World Series championship trophy has visited St. Louis 10 times during that span. So that gives us:
Years: 99Cardinals: 10Halley: 2Cubbies: 0
I wonder if the Cubbies will see another championship before Halley rolls around again in 2061?
Personally, my money's on the comet...
by Mr Clean on Mar 30, 2007 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2007 numbers
I included the one game playoff against the Brewers (6-4 victory for the Cards) in my totals...
by Silent George on Mar 30, 2007 10:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
another nl central crown...
and i'm picking us to make a return trip to the show. maybe against the r.....rrrr.......red..........ssss....... fuck. still can't say that name. i mean that team that has so much penis envy for the yankees.
and similarly, my pick for us going back the ws is as much about the parity as it is about us being great. best player on the planet, best pitcher in the league, ladunc, etc., etc. why not us?
by busch league on Mar 30, 2007 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
W,L,RS,RA,GB/GA
While I would love to have more talent coming into the year, I must admit I enjoy the low expectations and general "dissing" of our team and our division. That leaves our boys with a lot of upside - kind of feels like pre-season 2004 to me. We're also set up for a Larry Walker-type move mid-season with payroll flexibility, an expected need for more offense, and age/health/performance issues in the OF. If Rolen and Edmonds are productive and healthy, look out - my projection above will be light.
by wildman on Mar 30, 2007 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tight Race this year
90,72,798,702,+1
by TenRingsAndCounting on Mar 30, 2007 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
season record
http://redbirdramblings.wordpress.com
by cards4life on Mar 30, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
more pitching than hitting
by DCGreg on Mar 30, 2007 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB.tv
by q31 on Mar 30, 2007 11:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals vs. AAA Memphis Redbirds
by wildman on Mar 30, 2007 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
prediction
by cyko42 on Mar 30, 2007 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why am I so optimistic?
Go birds!
by Jonathan23 on Mar 30, 2007 11:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally unscientific
by Cardinal70 on Mar 30, 2007 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
another division crown
by Irishman on Mar 30, 2007 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh...
Give 'em hell, Larry.
by Irishman on Mar 30, 2007 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice sight
by Edmonds is baseball on Mar 30, 2007 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Better than Expected
I see us a lot like San Diego of last year except we have a guy named Pujols to power our offense. Someone in the bullpen will step up and be that setup stud (hopefully thompson) and Izzy will lead the majors in saves (yes I did just say that). I also think the brewers will be the only other team in the division with a winning record. The East is very though besides Washington. The West will be tough too, leaving the Central as the weakest link.
One question - Why is everyone so high on the Dodgers? I dont get it. Yes they have a pretty good rotation (its doesnt come close to comparing to the Padres) but one key injury and they are hurting. I'm not sold on Saito, and Broxton is only guy that scares me in that bullpen. ANd their offense, terrible. Martin will be very good, Furcal will be good, and then its just a bunch of injury riddled veterans and young guys that havent proven anything to me. Its the worst offense in the West in my opinion. I really wouldnt be surprised if they finish last in the West this year. And I definetly see them as a world series team as many people have been predicting.
by stl3bagger on Mar 30, 2007 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm not so confident
by ortic jones on Mar 30, 2007 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You'd think
by Alxfritz on Mar 30, 2007 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take another look
Just don't want to mess up the count.
by Solanus on Mar 30, 2007 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
never was very good at figuring
ok, that's it for me.
by ortic jones on Mar 30, 2007 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
92,70,797,725,+2
by MRCARD on Mar 30, 2007 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We add a hitter somewhere
by chuckb on Mar 30, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pythagorean, smyshagorean.
94,68,810,715,+4
by SleepyCA on Mar 30, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's mine...
by MaskedMan on Mar 30, 2007 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Champs
by Birds on the Bat on Mar 30, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
First of the worst
by Edmonds is baseball on Mar 30, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Down to the wire
About 20 fewer runs scored compared to last year, but our significantly improved pitching helps make up for it.
by Mr Clean on Mar 30, 2007 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
W,L,RS,RA,GB/GA
Luck swings both ways I'm afraid...
by guayzimi on Mar 30, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
from sunny Curaçao...
by Johnny64 on Mar 30, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
W,L,RS,RA,GB/GA
tight race. I feel pretty good about our pitching; now if we can just score some runs...
by DCRedbird on Mar 30, 2007 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
P.S. 90+62 is still 10 games shy of what they typically try to play nowadays. Just thought you might wanna know.
by Mr Clean on Mar 31, 2007 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My pessimism persists
This season will be a heartbreaker.
by Zubin on Mar 31, 2007 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
projection....
anyway:
88-74; 720; 680; even (playoff game necessary, which I think we lose)
by HoosierCardFan on Apr 2, 2007 8:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs



















