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community projections XII: st louis cardinals

i'll have a saturday post, and then erik draws the Opening Day honors. today i'm just tying up some loose ends, and i'm gonna ask you all to participate in one last community projection: the cardinals' record.

before we get to that: at about 1 pm central we're gonna have a guest post from al yellon of Bleed Cubbie Blue; i'll be writing something over at his site. al is a friend, a great baseball fan and an excellent writer, one of the best baseball bloggers out there --- in spite of being a cub fan. so please abuse him with respect and courtesy, if you catch my drift. it's natural to feel an irresistible urge to take a few swipes (he's a cub, after all), but do it in a friendly spirit. no broken skin; i don't want him bleeding any of that cubbie-blue stuff all over my nice red blog.

as i said, that'll be at about 1 pm central.

the guys at wsj.com's Daily Fix invited me to participate in their annual baseball predictions contest. i made a total fool of myself and picked the cardinals to repeat as world champs . . . . because, why the hell not? there don't appear to be any dominant teams heading into this season --- the reign of parity continues --- so if one team's about as likely as another to win it all, i figured i might as well just go with a homer pick. how stupid would i look if the cards repeated and i was sitting there with, like, the red sox as my preseason selection. i'd rather look stupid this way; the cardinals probably won't win, but at least i might earn a few points for loyalty. anyway, you can read all my intrepid prognostications, alongside those of a bunch of other web-based baseball know-it-alls, right here.

if, after that, you still have any appetite left for my fearless forecasting, head on over to Baseball Analysts: rich and sully had me back to take part in the nl central roundtable with jeff sackmann of Brew Crew Ball and Beyond the Boxscore. there, too, i've left a record of my idiocy with a raft of totally inaccurate statements about the upcoming baseball season. enjoy.

on to the community projections. let me present all the results to date in one table --- ok, two tables (one for the pitchers, one for the hitters):

AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB | AVG OBP SLG
edmonds 425 79 116 21  1 25 86 69 | .272 .373 .503
duncan 424 78 114 21  1 26 68 53 | .269 .350 .504
molina 431 39 111 20  0 10 57 33 | .258 .311 .374
encarnacion 498 66 137 24  3 18 74 34 | .275 .321 .444
eckstein 498 75 142 20  2  4 39 46 | .286 .346 .358


IP H BB SO HR W-L ERA WHIP
wells 171 173 68 121 19 12-10 4.45 1.411
reyes 173 163 58 145 24 13-9 4.14 1.280
carpenter 221 195 48 189 20 19-7 3.04 1.100
wainwright 172 168 56 142 18 13-8 4.06 1.302
looper 133 145 44  81 12  8-7 4.43 1.423


IP H BB SO HR SV ERA WHIP
izzy 55 44 25 50 5 33 3.03 1.255

ok, three tables . . . . whatever. we never got around to projecting the heart of the cardinal order, El Albert and El Scottie --- my fault. but we did get down predictions for all five members of the season-opening rotation, from whom we expect 66 wins. as a point of reference, the 2004 and 2005 season-opening rotations --- both of which stayed almost entirely injury-free --- posted win totals of 72 and 80, respectively. . . . . obviously, knowing what we now know, most of us would alter our projections for juancarnacion at this point. i'll get a link to this summary page up on the sidebar, so we'll have easy access to `em during the season and can track our progress.

for our teamwide community projection, just give me the following --- and please remember to comma-delimit your answers (no spaces):

W,L,RS,RA,GB/GA

that's wins, losses, runs scored, runs allowed, and games ahead/behind in the final standings. for the GB/GA figure, use a + or - sign to indicate whether you mean games ahead or games behind.

finally, one quick point of information from derrick goold --- whose reportage at Bird Land, by the way, was absolutely stellar this spring --- troy cate is being moved back to the bullpen at memphis. i like the move: his career didn't take off until he was moved to the `pen, and his road to the big leagues will probably be shorter this way (think bradley thompson). neither mike parisi nor chris lambert made the memphis rotation to begin the year, while both mike smith and matt ginter did; that i'm not crazy about. in fact, that pisses me off. this was supposed to be the year the organization gave up its weakness for rotting quadruple A flesh and promoted some fresh, springy double A meat. alas, just one of the five memphis starters (hawksworth) is a riser through the ranks. it's not that i think either lambert or parisi has any kind of great potential; lambert, in particular, has shown no sign of being ready to succeed at triple A. but when you don't move guys through the system, the whole pipeline backs up. springfield presumably now opens with a rotation of three holdovers (parisi, lambert, and haberer) and just two additions from class A (boggs and garcia); behind them, the glut at high A includes ottavino, hearne, degerman, norrick, and daley.

both lambert and parisi will be 24 this year --- just a year younger than reyes and wainwright. neither one can prove a thing against double A hitters. in the end, i think this says less about the pitchers than it does about the big-league club's need to have plans B, C, and D this season ---- given the lack of "proven" ability in the big-league rotation, mssrs la russa and duncan probably don't want three fresh-from-double-A starting pitchers sitting down there at memphis.

depth vs development; the eternal struggle continues.

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my projection
90,72,780,720,+3

by lboros on Mar 30, 2007 9:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Flying by the heart.
     I replied to you ref. So in the old posting.  I haven't seen a responce, so I'll repeat.  I prefer to follow sports, and many other aspects of my life, by my heart rather than relying on statistics.  I agree that the kids deserve a chance, and that has always been a difficult reality of professional sports, and other much more important walks of life for that matter. However, I am not ready to throw So, to whom we owe so much, under the bus.  Let So's performance drive the decision.

by Yadier on Mar 30, 2007 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Friend
I don't think you want So's performance to drive the decision.  

by Jonathan23 on Mar 30, 2007 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course I do...
     And, I'm sure So feels the same way.  

by Yadier on Mar 30, 2007 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

W,L,RS,RA,GB/GA
92,70,790,742,+8
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Mar 30, 2007 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

W, L, RS, RA, GB/GA
88, 74, 735, 670, O (that's right, I'm projecting a tie.  why not?)

by tdawg on Mar 30, 2007 10:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

typo
I meant 690 on RA

by tdawg on Mar 30, 2007 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To this point
we're all projecting them to outdo their pythagoreon wins...but within a reasonable range.

by cardzfanbub on Mar 30, 2007 10:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can I do this?
I'm going without runs for and against...because I'm lazy and I'm at work...

88-74  +4

by stlfan on Mar 30, 2007 10:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

tied up
87,75,795,710,0
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 30, 2007 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lboros -
Don't you worry about al's treatment over on the red side.  More importantly, be careful over in cubbyland.  Don't get cought up in their river of anger, self-pity and resentment. Let the sore losers meet a gracious winner...

But, just in case things gets outta hand, take this with you:

prediction:  90-72
 

by _pistol_ on Mar 30, 2007 10:38 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dammit
here's my complete prediction
90,72,754,709,-3

by _pistol_ on Mar 30, 2007 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the pic pistol
i'll keep it in my hip pocket --- hope they don't make me haul that thing out

by lboros on Mar 30, 2007 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't bother
they won't recognize it

by tdawg on Mar 30, 2007 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder
what the trophy looked like 99 years ago.  Heh, heh, heh.
Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.

by TurdFerguson on Mar 30, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...
I don't know what the trophy looked like 99 years ago, but here's what Halley's Comet looked like in 1910:

So let's recap:

  • Halley's Comet zooms past our planet every 76 years or so, and it has visited Earth TWICE since the Cubbies last won a championship in 1908.
  • Meanwhile, the World Series championship trophy has visited St. Louis 10 times during that span.  So that gives us:

    • Years:      99
    • Cardinals:  10
    • Halley:      2
    • Cubbies:     0

I wonder if the Cubbies will see another championship before Halley rolls around again in 2061?

Personally, my money's on the comet...

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 30, 2007 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2007 numbers
90,73,760,695,0

I included the one game playoff against the Brewers (6-4 victory for the Cards) in my totals...

by Silent George on Mar 30, 2007 10:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

another nl central crown...
89,73,784,701,+4

and i'm picking us to make a return trip to the show.  maybe against the r.....rrrr.......red..........ssss....... fuck.  still can't say that name.  i mean that team that has so much penis envy for the yankees.  

and similarly, my pick for us going back the ws is as much about the parity as it is about us being great.  best player on the planet, best pitcher in the league, ladunc, etc., etc.  why not us?  

by busch league on Mar 30, 2007 10:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

W,L,RS,RA,GB/GA
92,70,804,722,+3

While I would love to have more talent coming into the year, I must admit I enjoy the low expectations and general "dissing" of our team and our division.  That leaves our boys with a lot of upside - kind of feels like pre-season 2004 to me.  We're also set up for a Larry Walker-type move mid-season with payroll flexibility, an expected need for more offense, and age/health/performance issues in the OF.  If Rolen and Edmonds are productive and healthy, look out - my projection above will be light.

by wildman on Mar 30, 2007 11:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tight Race this year
W, L, RS, RA, GB/GA
90,72,798,702,+1

by TenRingsAndCounting on Mar 30, 2007 11:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

season record
93,69,777,666,+7

http://redbirdramblings.wordpress.com

this is the season when jimmy baseball returns to his old 2004 self!

by cards4life on Mar 30, 2007 11:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Prediction:
93,69,800,700,+4

by Valatan on Mar 30, 2007 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MLB.tv
just wondering if anybody knows what the "STL v. MRB" is on MLB.tv @ 8:05 tonite?  

by q31 on Mar 30, 2007 11:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cardinals vs. AAA Memphis Redbirds
at AutoZone Park in Memphis tonight.

by wildman on Mar 30, 2007 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

prediction
90,72,780,760,+3
"If I managed the Cubs, I'd be an Alcoholic." - Whitey Herzog

by cyko42 on Mar 30, 2007 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Why am I so optimistic?
93,69,790,701,+6

Go birds!

by Jonathan23 on Mar 30, 2007 11:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

another division crown
91,71,765,685,+5

by Irishman on Mar 30, 2007 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh...
and the cubs finish 5th....

Give 'em hell, Larry.

by Irishman on Mar 30, 2007 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice sight
I don't know if anyone has noticed yet or mentioned it yet, but the pitching match ups are now posted on the Cards site for upcoming games. What a great sight that is to see Carp vs. Glavine! It's finally ball season again!!!
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Mar 30, 2007 12:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Better than Expected
90,72,780,715,+7

I see us a lot like San Diego of last year except we have a guy named Pujols to power our offense. Someone in the bullpen will step up and be that setup stud (hopefully thompson) and Izzy will lead the majors in saves (yes I did just say that). I also think the brewers will be the only other team in the division with a winning record. The East is very though  besides Washington. The West will be tough too, leaving the Central as the weakest link.

One question - Why is everyone so high on the Dodgers? I dont get it. Yes they have a pretty good rotation (its doesnt come close to comparing to the Padres) but one key injury and they are hurting. I'm not sold on Saito, and Broxton is only guy that scares me in that bullpen. ANd their offense, terrible. Martin will be very good, Furcal will be good, and then its just a bunch of injury riddled veterans and young guys that havent proven anything to me. Its the worst offense in the West in my opinion. I really wouldnt be surprised if they finish last in the West this year. And I definetly see them as a world series team as many people have been predicting.

by stl3bagger on Mar 30, 2007 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i'm not so confident
82,82,737,756,-6
satis superque

by ortic jones on Mar 30, 2007 12:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You'd think
they'd score more runs in 164 games.
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 30, 2007 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Take another look
At your total games - 82+82=164

Just don't want to mess up the count.

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Mar 30, 2007 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dang
Missed it by that much!
Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Mar 30, 2007 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes!
I'm still the reigning VEB jerk!
Cheers

by Alxfritz on Mar 30, 2007 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it
was probably the Cone of Silence that slowed you down, solanus.

by DCGreg on Mar 30, 2007 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
I seem to constantly wear a Ring of Befuddlement and a Girdle of the Fatass, so the cone wouldn't surprise me.
Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Mar 30, 2007 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

never was very good at figuring
.500 you know.

ok, that's it for me.

satis superque

by ortic jones on Mar 30, 2007 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

92,70,797,725,+2
"It takes pitching, hitting and defense. Any two can win. All three make you unbeatable". Joe Garagiola

by MRCARD on Mar 30, 2007 12:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2007 Cards
89,73,710,695,+2

by JBagKY on Mar 30, 2007 1:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pythagorean, smyshagorean.
Lots of close games, but the pitching holds up.  And this year's offense is gonna be fun to watch [100+ AB's for AW and BL is gonna be good for at least 20 runs over last year's 9-spot production ;)].

94,68,810,715,+4

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Mar 30, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here's mine...
87,75,710,640,+2
Unless you use local guides, you cannot get the advantages of the land. <Master Sun> The Art of War

by MaskedMan on Mar 30, 2007 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Champs
89,73,740,705,+1
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 30, 2007 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First of the worst
95,67,794,708,+5
Play hard, play to win, but make it fun!

by Edmonds is baseball on Mar 30, 2007 2:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Down to the wire
89,73,761,699,+1

About 20 fewer runs scored compared to last year, but our significantly improved pitching helps make up for it.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 30, 2007 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

W,L,RS,RA,GB/GA
87, 75, 813, 698, +4

by cards13 on Mar 30, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

W,L,RS,RA,GB/GA
78,84,705,773,-8

Luck swings both ways I'm afraid...

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by guayzimi on Mar 30, 2007 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

W,L,RS,RA,GB/GA
88,74,775,729,+1

tight race. I feel pretty good about our pitching; now if we can just score some runs...

by DCRedbird on Mar 30, 2007 5:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

whee
88,74,750,690,+3

by madding on Mar 30, 2007 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WS BOUND
9062721683+8

by snortyclaus on Mar 30, 2007 10:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm.
Here, are, some, extras, for, you, snortyclaus.

P.S.  90+62 is still 10 games shy of what they typically try to play nowadays.  Just thought you might wanna know.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 31, 2007 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

binary is hard
oops

by snortyclaus on Mar 31, 2007 9:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My SWAG...
91,71,802,705,+1

by jdubya on Mar 31, 2007 10:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My pessimism persists
86,76,763,707,-1

This season will be a heartbreaker.

by Zubin on Mar 31, 2007 1:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

projection....
i was in memphis this weekend w/out internet access (what a trip!).  

anyway:

88-74; 720; 680; even (playoff game necessary, which I think we lose)

by HoosierCardFan on Apr 2, 2007 8:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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