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cards vs mets; it's looper's rotation turn, but according to derrick goold he'll throw vs minor leaguers today so that the relievers still fighting for roster spots can get some innings in the big-league game. goold says chris narveson may start the game today; if he throws well, maybe one of the many teams still looking for a #5 starter will snap him up. for narvie's sake, i hope so. i would have preferred that he be given a chance to win the #5 slot in st louis; but that didn't happen, and it ain't a-gonna. this guy is 25, he's put in his time and fought back from injuries; he's earned his shot.

the game will be on mlb.tv; here is the gameday link. by the way, i've been lifting the gameday urls all week from liam's blog, without even so much as a thank you. so ---- thank you liam for compiling that list.

i had an e-mail exchange this week with cardinal front-officer jeff luhnow, whose official title is "vice president for amateur scouting and player procurement"; he's more or less got the job that long ago used to be called "farm system director." luhnow has run the last two drafts for the cardinals; those two drafts have produced 8 of the 10 guys on baseball america's list of the top prospects in the cardinal farm system. he's the cards' designated "moneyball" guy; comes from a business background, not a baseball one, and is helping the st louis organization integrate data-based analysis into some of its personnel decision-making processes.

jeff agreed to answer some questions by e-mail, and i kept `em pretty easy --- i was as curious to find out about him, frankly, as about the players in the system. i've got a few comments on these responses at the end of the post. my thanks to jeff for taking the time to answer these questions.

What's the most rewarding part of your job? And what's the part that most makes you say through gritted teeth: "I'll do that because they pay me to do that, but I sure don't like doing it."
For me the most rewarding part is watching the players get better and have success on the field. When I watch our minor league games, I focus more on each individual player and what they did than I do on the score of the game. If they play sound, fundamental defense and take quality at bats, I'm happy. If they make the adjustments that the coaches have discussed with them and they get that extra base hit, or strike out that next batter, then I'm delighted.

The hardest part of my job is telling a player that he no longer fits into our plans. It doesn't matter how many times you do that, it's always heart-wrenching to see the disappointment in their faces. I wish they could all make it, but that's far from reality. I try to make sure we are fair to everyone, make decisions in a way that utilizes all the available information and perspectives, and maximizes the benefit to our organization.

What's the most painful lesson you've learned so far in this business?
Much as we try to make it so, life in baseball is not always fair. There is a lot of talent in our organization. The scouts do a tremendous job of identifying young men who have the potential to succeed in professional baseball. Oftentimes, what separates those who achieve their potential and those that fall short is simply the opportunity. The opportunity is scarce and valuable, and determining who gets those plate appearances and those innings is an important decision. There are tons of guys in the minors who never get the opportunity to prove themselves in the big leagues, and some of those guys would have success. It's impossible to always make the right decision, and that is a painful realization that drives me to agonize over every decision.

Describe how you'd spend your time in a typical workday during the season, post-draft --- ie, July / August / September. Who are you talking to, what are you reading? What percentage of your time are you spending watching tape? consulting with your analysts and software guys? talking to scouts? watching baseball games in person?
There is no such thing as a typical day, either before or after the draft, except that they are long, typically involve at least one or two games, travel and plenty of time on the phone, responding to e-mails, and thinking about baseball. During the season, I am addicted to MiLB.com and check the in-game box scores as often as I can to get game updates, despite the fact that the managers send me a game report soon after the games. In the past, I have visited most of the minor league clubs during the season, and this year I will visit all of them at least twice to see the players and meet with the staff. The summer is also a great time to see the amateur prospects for the following year using wood bats and playing against tough competition. It's also a busy time for international scouting, as the new crop of eligible international free agents becomes available to sign pro contracts. On top of all that, I keep tabs on the research we are doing and, of course, I keep up with the big league club and all the possible player moves.

How often do you see each minor-league team play during the season? Are there particular farm teams / players from other organizations that it's important for you to see? Under what circumstances?
We have a pro scouting department that covers the other organizations. It's hard enough keeping track of our 10 teams --- yes, 10. One big league club and nine minor league clubs makes for quite a few players. Of course I see other clubs throughout the season and will take notes on their players, but I don't take special trips to see other clubs. My goal is to see each team twice, if not three times, during the season for a homestand so I can see most of the pitchers and at different times.

What qualities do you look for in a scout?
To be a scout for us the person must be organized, have a strong work ethic, be extremely knowledgeable about baseball, and have a good eye and gut. The eye can see the tools, the bat speed, the movement on a fastball; the gut tells them if this guy is a player. I like it when my scouts say "I have to have this guy!" and go out on a limb for a player because they see a future big leaguer. Of course, then I need to understand why . . . .

Do you get an off-season?
What's that? I do take a vacation with my family every year for Christmas and New Years, and typically I squeeze in a few days here and there at other times of the year . . . but there are no weekends in baseball, nor is there really an off-season. We go from Spring Training to the regular season, to instructional ball, to winter ball, back to Spring Training. It's a grind, and only people who have a real passion for the game can survive.

When I talked to Sam Walton, the author of Fantasyland, last month, he made this statement: "When you talk about the free-agency era in baseball, I think the biggest catalyst for change has been fantasy baseball." He thinks, in essence, that Rotisserie baseball ushered real-life baseball into the sabermetric era --- and I'm inclined to agree with him. Agree / disagree?
I'm not buying it. Bill James is not a fantasy guy, nor is MGL, Tango or any of the other titans. Branch Rickey wasn't thinking about fantasy baseball when he came up with his formula which was published in Life magazine in the 50s. Fact-based analysis is a part of all other industries . . . why should baseball be any different? Now, fantasy baseball did pique many people's interest in the numbers behind the game, and that is a good thing.

Are you still in a fantasy league? (if "yes" --- Who else is in the league with you? What's your team called? How'd you do last season? Which rival are you determined not to finish behind this season?)
No, I stopped doing fantasy baseball when I started working in professional baseball. I had a very good record for the 10 years I did compete. I got Pujols for $10 in a keeper league during the spring of his rookie year, Piazza for $10 in a keeper league during the spring of his rookie year, and Percival for $1 his first year in my AL keeper league. Those were my best acquisitions.

Among Moneyball, 3 Nights in August, and Fantasyland ---- which one most often made you think, "Bingo, this writer gets it"? And which one most often made you roll your eyes and say, "Puh-leeease . . . . . ." ?
All three of those books were well written and thoroughly enjoyable. Speaking of fun books to read, have you read those two books: "Why Do Men Have Nipples?" and "Why Do Men Fall Asleep After Sex?"

Will you be attending the SABR Convention at the Adam's Mark in July? Any subjects you're particularly keen to see the latest research on?
I keep tabs on the SABR research. I don't know if I will go in July because I know how busy I will be. Someone in my front office group will likely go. I'd like to see more research that is based on video analysis rather than strictly stats.

Back in 2004, you e-mailed Brian Gunn at the Redbird Nation blog to solicit fans' input on what a fair contract offer to Edgar Renteria might be. Do fan expertise and fan opinion still inform personnel decisions in any way? If so, how does the organization gather that input?
Any input is valuable if the person puts some thought behind it. I read the blogs and message boards all the time and there is tons of good stuff in there, mixed in with some "puh-leeeease" stuff as you call it. The Renteria responses were mostly very thoughtful.

Does winning a championship change the organization's priorities at all? Does it relieve some of the pressure to win a championship in the short term? Or does it have the opposite effect --- raise expectations and intensify the short-term imperative?
Ask the fans that question, and I think you will have your answer. The only thing I can say is nobody in the front office, on the field, or out scouting is working less this year than last year. In fact, we are doing more.

To what degree, and in what way(s), were you involved in this off-season's roster rebuild? What's the best personnel decision the Cardinals made this off-season (and "best" can mean either an acquisition or a decision not to acquire).
I don't talk about the players on our big league club. Those are questions for Walt and Tony. All the people on the baseball side of the front office contribute to the moves we make. I know our scouts are happy we have Kennedy back.

It seems as if there are competing objectives in the Memphis outfield. You've got the "bench depth" guys --- Marrero, Ludwick, Negron, possibly Schumaker and/or Rodriguez --- who are major-league ready but have reached their ceiling, developmentwise. Then there's another group of guys who've put their time in at Double A and have a shrinking development window (Gorecki, Stavinoha, and Haerther). Plus you've got a couple of special cases (Amaury Marti and Rick Ankiel). That's as many as 10 outfielders for 3 slots at Triple A. How will the playing time be divided up? Will one objective --- depth vs development --- take priority over the other? If so, who decides which one takes precedence?
I spend many hours every day dealing with that issue. The answer will be unveiled over the course of the next few weeks. There is no obvious easy and right answer. We will try to strike the best balance between development and providing insurance for St. Louis.

The unofficial "favorite prospect" of Viva El Birdos last year was Trey Hearne. Derrick Goold notes that Hearne also has fans within the organization --- and that he might even skip high A and start the year at double A. By Trey's own assessment, he doesn't have the most dominating arm in the system; can he pitch in the big leagues anyway? And if so, what assets does he possess to overcome his lack of electric stuff?
Trey is a good pitcher that had a fabulous year. He will be given every chance to continue pitching at the next level and beyond. He will start at Palm Beach, and we will go from there. His best tools are his control and what we call "pitchability." There are guys like that in the big leagues. The bottom line is, as long as he keeps getting guys out, he will keep going. Joe Almaraz and Sig Mejdal both deserve credit for pitching him to me in 2005, and our pitching coaches, Sid Monge and Bryan Eversgerd, deserve credit for helping him get better. I hope he keeps going.

Last year, because of the Anthony Reyes situation, there was a great deal of discussion all season about the organizational preference for the two-seam fastball. When VEB interviewed Adam Ottavino last summer, he said upon joining the Cardinal system he was immediately told to make the two-seamer his primary fastball, pitch to contact instead of trying to miss bats, and strive for groundballs instead of strikeouts. Is every prospect "converted" to this pitching philosophy, or is it done on a case-by-case basis? (If the latter, who determines whether or not to "convert" a given player?) Is there a numerical underpinning for this approach --- ie, is "two-seaminess" a statistically significant predictor of future development? Or is this simply Dave Duncan's preference?
Every pitcher is different. We all know that pitches that have "life," especially "late life," are harder to hit and harder to hit hard (that's a tongue twister). I wish the data we collect and use would differentiate between a 2-seam and 4-seam fastball, but it doesn't. We rely on our baseball knowledge and expertise to tell us that answer. Adam has an electric fastball and big league off-speed stuff. Big league hitters can tee off on straight fastballs and pitches up in the zone, so it's in everybody's best interest to pitch down and have movement on the fastball.

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again, thanks to jeff for taking the time to answer those questions. a few quick reflections:
  • i found luhnow's answer to the hearne question very encouraging, in that the two people who made the case to draft hearne included a "seamhead" (joe almaraz, a longtime scout and, this year, the manager of st louis' rookie-league team at johnson city) and a "stathead" (sig mejdal). i'm happy to see that kind of integration / collaboration, the blending of numerical analysis with old-fashioned scouting. almaraz, many of you know, is the scout who urged st louis to draft jaime garcia in the 22d round in 2005.
  • ditto luhnow's remarks about video analysis in response to the question about the SABR convention. erik's post not long ago on jon jay's swing was in that vein, and extremely educational (erik's got more analysis of that type coming up, by the way). there's a wealth of information to be gained by this, imho. about 20 years ago, bill james attempted to break down the pitching motion into a sequence of discrete acts (about 20 in all) and code pitchers according to how they performed these motions --- eg, height of leg kick, length of stride, arm angle, where they held the hands, where they stood on the rubber, etc etc. he never advanced that project very far, but somebody eventually will --- possibly using something along the lines of the multi-angle sensing equipment that was employed by mlb.com for the "enhanced gameday" feature during last year's playoffs.
  • re the memphis outfield: am i the only one who noted jeff's marked reluctance to dive in on that complicated issue? given his answer to the 2d question of this exchange --- in which he talked about the scarcity of opportunity, and the knowledge that some players fail more for lack of a chance than for lack of ability --- i have to think that the memphis outfield is a core issue for luhnow; indeed, he allowed that he's spending "many hours every day" on it. yet his answer was extremely close to the vest, revealing almost nothing. it may be that the competition over those at-bats is as fierce among different members of the front office as among the players themselves. opinions likely differ about whether first crack at those at-bats should go to guys like ryan ludwick or miguel negron, as opposed to guys like nick stavinoha and cody haerther. then again, luhnow's reticence may simply reflect the fact that the decision remains up in the air, it's a close call, and he doesn't want to prejudice the outcome by revealing where he stands at this particular moment. whatever the case, i think the memphis outfield logjam is a fascinating, and potentially very telling, personnel situation --- especially given the fact that the big-league outfield is old and unstable. keep an eye on who gets the playing time once the season begins, because the way it shakes out might provide us with a clue about where things stand within the organization.

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Great Read!
Awesome interview, LB! I seriously tuned everything out around me while I was reading this. Thanks for taking me to another place!

by CardinalsfanIraq on Mar 23, 2007 9:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Interview.
Great questions LB.

Thanks to Jeff for taking the time, and keep up the good work!

by musial6 on Mar 23, 2007 9:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Things looking up for Edmonds
Certainly some good news here. So if Jimmy is ready to go a week from Sunday which outfielders go north?

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/444AB445FA9BBCDB862572A60014E4A4 ?OpenDocument

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 Cardinals center fielder Jim Edmonds probably will receive medical clearance to play opening day barring a setback in his rehabilitation from off-season shoulder and toe surgeries, the team's medical director said Wednesday.

Dr. George Paletta said Edmonds' progress might make him available for his first Grapefruit League appearance this weekend and that a "better than even chance" exists for the Gold Glove defender to play April 1 against the New York Mets.
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by mikedallas23 on Mar 23, 2007 9:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel
like a broken record here, but, damn, this is a good blog, Larry. Credit to you both for your access to Luhnow and the insights you gleaned from him. Like you, I'm fascinated by his tentative response on the AAA outfielder question. The fact that he spends hours every day on that issue says a lot about its importance to the organization.

I'm also intrigued at the extent to which he apparently reads and consider this and other blogs. I had forgotten about how he solicited fan input on Renteria. Great to have a farm system director who, no matter how knowledgeable he may be, is so willing to hear new ideas.

by DCGreg on Mar 23, 2007 10:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent interview!
On his answer, in regards to fantasy baseball, I agree. Having done statistical analysis for the government and now for a healthcare corporation, the business world is putting more and more stock in using data analysis for their decisions. Baseball is just another business, so it makes sense. If anything, the popularity of this type of work in business has made fantasy baseball more popular as a hobby.

As for the Memphis outfield. It would have been good to hear him answer this. I can't help but wonder if they would like to develop a paradigm shift towards perceiving Memphis as the place of opportunity. The major leagues are too competitive to use a roster spot on a person just to give them 'an opportunity'. The AAA club is where they are given opportunity and should prove themselves there. Memphis shouldn't be viewed as a place where players are being 'held back', but rather an honor to be a part of. The other clubs who boast stocked farm systems sure don't appear to have upset players on their teams - made they haven't been given opportunity. Ours also need to view AAA as the place of opportunity and not as rejection. Put up a season or two of 85+ RBI or 150 K at Memphis, then you may be ready for the big leagues. Otherwise, you're operating as the KC Royals have for years.

by jomfa on Mar 23, 2007 10:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jeff is very different
than how imagined him.  I expected him to be more of a numbers guy, but if I had a nickel for everytime he said "gut"... well, I'd only have ten cents, but still...

by Jonathan23 on Mar 23, 2007 10:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great pull, Larry
and kudos to Mr. Luhnow for giving access to bloggers.

Re: the Triple-A logjam... sounds as if it's a bit of a sore subject. A power struggle of sorts in the front office, perhaps.

It seems that we have half a dozen of the same player in guys like Gorecki and Stavinoha, et al. How many of those do we need? Am I oversimplifying by wondering if we can trade some of our abundance in that area for another team's theoretical abundance of bullpen arms?

Sign Kurt Kepshire! The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Mar 23, 2007 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Larry
This is the kind of content that both sets your blog apart as special and provides us with perspectives on our beloved Cardinals that are hard to find elsewhere.

I have heard a lot about Luhnow and the impact he and his folks are having on the team.  He really sounds balanced (between "stats and seams") and obviously dedicated to quality and excellence.  I agree with his philosophy that those spots in our minor league system are precious and should be allocated thoughtfully.

The AAA outfield situation will be fascinating to watch, and the decisions made there will obviously provide a lot of clues to the thinking and priorities in the Cardinal front office.

by wildman on Mar 23, 2007 11:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

department of redundancy department
it's been said, but i have to say it again...

this is great, great stuff, larry.  your ability to both gain access to interesting/relevant people AND toss out some insightful questions is top-notch.

i'm sure it's a test for you at times dealing with this blog and everything that goes into it.  in those times, please know this.....your hard work and knowledge and insight is very much appreciated.  probably much more than you know.  

i know that, for me personally, viva el birdos is my morning cup of coffee.  it's how i start my day.  everyday.  i appreciate the insight of you and many of the regulars who comment.  i find this kinship of sorts that we have here cool as hell.  i find myself checking the site a few times a day to read comments and maybe post one or two of my own.  incidentally, this is probably going to lead to me getting fired at some point for my poor productivity.  at which point, i'm probably going to blame you and all of these regular jackasses for engaging me so much.  but we'll deal with that if it comes up.

oh...and i really do appreciate the code of conduct/community guidelines that are enforced around here.

thanks again, dude.  

cards rule all.

peace.

by busch league on Mar 23, 2007 12:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks to all
for the feedback --- i appreciate it. and i am hoping we'll be able to hear from mr luhnow from time to time during the year. he seems to respect the knowledge that fans can offer.

by lboros on Mar 23, 2007 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Narveson
Won't be pitching for the Cardinals today.  The Birdhouse is reporting that both he and Falkenburg have been placed on irrevocable waivers.  The hope, at least in the case of Narveson, is that he won't be claimed  and can then be assigned to Memphis.

by MikeG on Mar 23, 2007 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow!
I thought that Falkenborg had a chance but I guess the #s became too tough.

by chuckb on Mar 23, 2007 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow
Was Falkenborg out of options?  I guess I didn't realize that.

by OCCardsFan on Mar 23, 2007 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

goold
goold's blog says narveson has already cleared waivers.

by dmb60614 on Mar 23, 2007 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

almaraz
while it is a great opportunity for joe almaraz, i think we lost our best scout when we made him a manager.  he has brought guys like jaime garcia, daryl jones, jon edwards, mark mccormick, trey hearne, josh wilson, eddie degerman, and several others into the system in the last 2 years.  that is a ton of talent signed by just one scout.  garcia and edwards look like late round steals, and he really did his homework to get a read on jones.

by fewgoodcards on Mar 23, 2007 12:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i am wondering
if he can't continue to scout high school / college players in the spring --- johnson city's roster won't even be set until late june, so he won't have any managerial duties before then.

i didn't realize he was associated with all of those players you named; they are all from his area (texas / la.), so it stands to reason.

i hope he can continue to scout. maybe luhnow would answer that as a followup.

by lboros on Mar 23, 2007 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

scouting
that's what i was wondering too, but then i thought about extended spring training.  they play games too and he will probably have to manage those.  maybe he can get a little scouting done in the florida area around palm beach, but i don't think he will be going back to texas.

by fewgoodcards on Mar 23, 2007 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great interview, LB
I'm wondering how much he gets to see w/ the big league club.  With all his travels and duties, he may not get much of a chance to see what's going on w/ the big club.  

It's no secret that the minor league system started getting better right when he was brought on board.  I wonder what kind of influence he's had on Walt.  That's probably a question better suited to Walt but it makes for interesting speculation.

by chuckb on Mar 23, 2007 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Narveson
I suppose they are doing this now while other teams are trying to trim their roster or maybe they just didn't find any takers via trade and thought he would pass through waivers.

Re: the outfielders, at this point, I think it's a shame these guys aren't getting their oppoortunity while the Cards continue to give a spot to Taguchi.

This is my first post.  I'm a long time reader and I really appreciate and enjoy your writing, interviews, and all the information you provide.

by cards13 on Mar 23, 2007 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

goold
is saying Narveson has passed through waivers and is now a proud member of the Memphis squad.  No word on Falk.

by DCGreg on Mar 23, 2007 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ginter?
Who is this guy starting for us today (according to Gameday).  I don't recall coming across his name anywhere?

by wildman on Mar 23, 2007 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i had no idea either
so, I looked him up.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gintema01.shtml

"Baseball America is reporting that the Cardinals have signed Matt Ginter as a minor league FA.

He has a very good slider and could be a servicable
spot starter or middle/long reliever. He last pitched
in the majors for Detroit in '05: 14 G, 35 ip. He spent
'06 at AAA.

Insurance at Memphis?"
http://www.fanhome.com/forums/st-louis-cardinals/4368-rhp-matt-ginter.html

Looks like he was signed as a minor league FA in Feb.

by jroman on Mar 23, 2007 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting
Thanks for the info.  He pitched well today - 4 innings, 0 runs, 1 hit, 1 BB, 3 K's.

by wildman on Mar 23, 2007 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Very good slider"
Could be a Kinney-type strikeout threat against righties

by wildman on Mar 23, 2007 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I'd like to ask Luhnow
I wonder how he evaluated the Cards' system when he was brought on board? Because he seems to have upgraded scouting immediately and immensely.

I figure the 2004 draft was a transition year, but you can see the difference in scouting in 2005 when you compare it to just about any draft aside from 1982 (the year we got Worrell, Pendleton, and Coleman in the same freakin' draft).

You can look at every pick in the early rounds and see why they were picked. You can't say that about any other draft in the many years I've been following these things. It seems like every season there was a pick in the first or second round that made everyone say "Huh?"

In 2005 and to a lesser extent 2006, you don't see those choices.

by Lou Schuler on Mar 23, 2007 1:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Larry, great job as always!!!
I feel pretty spoiled tuning in here every morning, like one poster said "just like getting my cup of coffee".

Great insight from Luhnow.  I just can't get over Tony's problem with JROD.  He should be platooning in RF with Juan until Juan proves he's healthy and tradable.  If not, give the guy a REAL break and release him, like Narvie.  Falkenborg was a shock to me, from what I have seen of him this spring, I thought he was taking Hancock's job.  And don't get me started with Taguchi...he isnt the defensive level he used to be, cant hit, no power, OK speed.  He is appreciated for his efforts in the past, but he should be replaced.  Shu and JROD deserve to play.

Unless you use local guides, you cannot get the advantages of the land. <Master Sun> The Art of War

by MaskedMan on Mar 23, 2007 1:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My Morning Routine
-wake up
-shower
-feed cats
-make coffee
-read VEB
-go to work

re: Taguchi - at this point, let's just give him a standing-O for being this generation's Jose Oquendo then DFA him once our regulars OFers are back from the DL.

by musial6 on Mar 23, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha... mine is
-feed cat
-wake up
-shower
-go to work
-make coffee
-read VEB

by Zubin on Mar 23, 2007 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i lean towards
-wake up
-work out
-shower
-read veb
-go to work
-teach first three classes
-read veb
-teach next class
-read veb
-finish teaching
-read veb
-occasional meal included

by sdesserman on Mar 23, 2007 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

neither of you two
say to whom you are feeding your cats.  I can't find a dog big enough for mine!  

(kidding, Tony; only kidding!)

by chuckb on Mar 23, 2007 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

amen man
i posted my thoughts on this at the bottom, its my main beef with LaRussa
its silly to keep a guy like So on the team at his age and waste JRod, who i honestly think would put up Juans numbers at a fraction of the salary and send Skip back to the minors
i love So and all, and his big hits in the post season aside, JRod and Skip have just as much talent and could improve a tad still
RESIGN JIMMY BALLGAME....HE SHOULD RETIRE A REDBIRD!

by benstl on Mar 24, 2007 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Video analysis...
I actually think that there is a more statistically oriented tilt to this.  Larry pointed out the James had started to breakdown the movements in a pithers motion, you need one other piece of information to make this useful and that is results.

By results I mean that you could use video to measure velocity and the amount of break a pitch has very acurately.  First you would want to establish a base line of what major league average "stuff" really is.  For example is a pitch traveling at 88 mph and breaks 6 inches in the last 10 feet of approach to the plate a major league average slider.  This type of work would make the whole measurement of "stuff" more scientific.  This of course would lead to measuring pithching prospects based on more rigorous and objective baseline.

The second cool thing about this is how you incorporate changes in the pithcing motion to produce the different results discussed above.  

by BigJawnMize on Mar 23, 2007 1:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lboros for president!
that would be a waste of talent of course.  the questions are better then the answers, but what is gleaned from the responses is only achieved by great work.  thanks again.

particularly liked the exchange regarding the OF of memphis.  now for my question; Do all clubs have only one triple A team, and need to divide time the same between depth and development?  it seams it would be really advantageous to have more than one club at triple A.

Oh for the love of sports bars with wifi, time to burn on a friday afternoon, game on , and veb.  was in PSL all week with tickets in hand for the Mets and couldn't get out of the plant.  paybacks can be sweet.

Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 23, 2007 2:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Waivers???
If the Cards are considered to be relatively down in terms of prospects and depth, and we are hoping we can get players like Narveson through waivers, then other clubs must have even more agonizing moments.  Who are the players that our competitors are getting through on waivers, and which of them should the Card's be interested in?
Fan for Life. Go Cards.

by Birds on the Bat on Mar 23, 2007 2:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ben Hendrickson went
through at some point this week.

I would think that anyone we would be interested in (pitching, I guess) would be snatched up by the Nats, if they were released in the first place.

by plh903 on Mar 23, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lboros
you just keep coming up with gems, all the interviews have been great, and although i am sure he is paid well for doing it, i had never thought about the fact that a guy like luhnow doesnt really get an "offseason", makes the respect even a little higher, even the most rabid fan has chances to think about other things than baseball, but guys like luhnow cant, however, it doesnt seem like larry is taking much time off either, guest bloggers on wednesday and sunday, but i know you are at least looking at the site many times every day, to make sure everything stays sane, i for one want to thank you, and erik and val, for your continued efforts in making the cardinal experience even better
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Mar 23, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Setting up the rotation
With LaRussa holding Looper out against the Mets, i wonder if they're planning on using him in the 2nd or 3rd game of the season.  They said it was for other guys to get innings, but then some unknowm Minor league pitches at least 4 innings.  Maybe it's overanalyzing the situation, but Looper starting against all those lefthanded hitting Mets, wouldn't be my ideal 1st major league start for him.

by tjgila on Mar 23, 2007 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ideally...
By keeping Carp on an every-5-days rotation and mixing everyone else up, skipping his starts when the schedule allows, Looper won't have to start until 10 April against the Pirates (and will only have to go 7 times total in april and may combined)...
"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Mar 23, 2007 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looper held out
A conspiracy theorist might postulate that Looper was held out against the Mets because Walt has some nibbles on a potential trade involving Looper.  Now that Loop's got some nice numbers as a starter in ST, no need to inflate them with a bad game against an almost full squad of actual major leaguers, right?  Especially after his stumble in the last game.

I'm not saying that's what really happened, of course.  But I'm probably not the first to think it.  I'm sure it's all on the level, just like Cardinals management said...

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 23, 2007 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think
the guys at mlb.com read this blog...

"Cards notes: Club protects Looper from Mets"

let's all hope and pray that they are planning to use him in long relief in case wells has problems... it would be madness to have him start.

"God is back in the National League. Matter of fact, he is staying at my house." -Joaquin Andujar

by SleepyCA on Mar 23, 2007 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eep
I find it shocking that management is now considering having Looper start against the Mets.

Do they now honestly believe that their "5th starter experiment" is now a better starting pitcher option than either Reyes or Wainwright for the opening series?  I mean, WTF?

And I was truly looking forward to possibly seeing Wainy get one of those three starts against the Mets.  It would have been fun to see the NY boys face off against the guy that so famously ended their World Series dreams last year.

Are they really gonna put Looper in the #3 slot?  What the hell?  It MUST be the long relief option, surely...

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 24, 2007 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Business and Baseball
I love this quote... best one I have ever heard on the subject of development in baseball or business in general...

"The opportunity is scarce and valuable, and determining who gets those plate appearances and those innings is an important decision. There are tons of guys in the minors who never get the opportunity to prove themselves in the big leagues, and some of those guys would have success. It's impossible to always make the right decision, and that is a painful realization that drives me to agonize over every decision."

by Zubin on Mar 23, 2007 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

has anyone else seen this?
http://blogs.chron.com/baseballblog/archives/2007/03/hypocrite_la_ru.html

I'm not trying to start anything, I was just wondering what other people around here thought.

by tnek5 on Mar 23, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really don't care
I don't care what our local guys have to say about it (really - what is there to say other than he fucked up and he's lucky nobody got hurt), so why should I care what some guy in Houston (writing for Astros fans) has to say?

They will always jump at the chance to hate on the Cardinals and their fans down in Enron-ville.

by musial6 on Mar 23, 2007 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Waste of Internet Bandwidth
Never read that guy's blog before, nor will I bother to do so again.

His arguments are illogical and specious, and his conclusions are so sweeping and inaccurate that they really don't even merit debate.

I think my favorite comment from another reader was the following, in reference to the guy's claim that god had clearly spared him from death by drunk driver for a reason:

"Well, God certainly didn't spare you for your journalistic skills. Maybe you're good at something else."

Pretty well sums it up.  If you haven't clicked the above link and are at all on the fence...let me save you the trouble: don't bother.  You'll never get those few minutes of life back, and they will truly have been wasted.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 23, 2007 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I replied
and, for whatever reason, my post wasn't included.  I can assure you, though I did challenge Mr. Ortiz's reasoning and objectivity, that I used no profanity, nor did I defame anyone -- though he deserved it.

He's the Astros' beat writer here in Houston and is utterly worthless as a reporter.  He's obviously not exactly honing his skills as a blogger either.  He's a complete homer and will probably pick the 'stros to win the world series again.  He, as far as I know, has never criticized them and his "reporting" is usually two days behind what you can read anywhere on the internet.  Absolute drivel -- but typical of what you can read in the Houston Comical!

by chuckb on Mar 23, 2007 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

those jackasses
at the Chron are the worst, between that guy and Justice, I feel bad for Astros fans, they have crappy beat writers. We're so lucky to have Goold, Leach and even Strauss.

by erik on Mar 23, 2007 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This wins my vote
for Internet Journalist Logician of the Year...

"If you ran over a dog with no regard in front of La Russa, he and the rest of the PETA folks would think less of you. And if he did commit this crime, he proved that he puts the threat of running over a dog above the possibility that he could have killed some poor child by his recklessness. If that's not hypocrisy, I don't know what is."

Eh?

by jfs on Mar 24, 2007 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It seems more likely
that Looper was skipped because he's a lock for the starting rotation, and there are only a few chances left for young guys to show their stuff.

I would also guess LaRussa will shuffle the rotation so Looper doesn't have to face the Mets the first time he starts.

by Red in Chicago on Mar 23, 2007 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Interview
Very glad to hear about Narveson, too.

(And thanks for the props, l)

by liam on Mar 23, 2007 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

evil work
can't post on the job, but wanted to say excellent interview larry. great stuff!

by erik on Mar 23, 2007 9:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When I win the lottery...
and buy the majority share of a baseball franchise, i'm hiring lboros to be a consultant for the team.
Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Mar 23, 2007 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gameday
I keep seeing links to the gamedays to these cards spring training games, but when i got to MLB.com there is never a link for them there.  In fact I dont see links to gamedays for any of the games.  Is this now an enhanced feature you have to subscribe to at mlb.com or am i seriously overlooking the site?  I know they dont typically have gamedays for spring training games, but i kept seeing links for them at viva and was wondering how they were popping up.

Thanks!!

SaberTJ

by SaberTJ on Mar 24, 2007 12:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They use
spring training games to train the Gamedayers and don't publicize the links.  Liam has figured them out, though, and shared them with us all.

by jfs on Mar 24, 2007 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too much credit
I'm not the only one, nor the first, to figure out how to make the urls, I merely made a little tool to automatically generate them in bulk from ESPN's schedule pages.

by liam on Mar 24, 2007 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today's link
In case of no Saturday post, today's GD link is here: Cards @ gNats, 12:05 CST.

by liam on Mar 24, 2007 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looper
Looper winning the rotation spot is not a complete shock, but I must say I didn't expect him to lock it down so hard and so early that they don't even need to look at him again.

Wow.

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by rokusan on Mar 24, 2007 3:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's not only
a counterfactual, it's a counter-logical.

It's sad when people with no ability to think or reason try to put words on paper. Even worse when they have no writing talent, either.

by Red in Chicago on Mar 24, 2007 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just to get him to respond
shows the level of respect this blog has gained....the one thing that stood out to me was this guys lack of ego....i think too many baseball men think they know things as soon as they see them, and the fact that he agonizes over every potential move shows me he has an open mind to talent, i appreciate that
i think we have a huge lack of that at the major league level, and by luck or injury, a guy like wainwright, reyes or pujols finally gets a shot. As much as we all love so, maybe this was the year to give Rodriguez, Ludwick, Schumacker or someone else some of his at bats...and thats just one example
anyway, this was a standout post!
RESIGN JIMMY BALLGAME....HE SHOULD RETIRE A REDBIRD!

by benstl on Mar 24, 2007 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and on the looper thread
i know im not alone in wishing we could see Narveson, Thompson or someone else get those innings....
this is the most frustrating thing about being a cards fan
sorry for the off topic rant and all
RESIGN JIMMY BALLGAME....HE SHOULD RETIRE A REDBIRD!

by benstl on Mar 24, 2007 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice outing by Wells today
5IP, 2runs, 6Ks, 2BB

I'd still like to see him knock off some walks but he's been surprisingly good this ST.  

by azruavatar on Mar 24, 2007 4:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"Nice"?
I would probably say, rather, a "decent" outing due to the 1.40 WHIP, the 2 doubles, and the 3.60 game ERA...but that's probably just mincing words.

But I agree...he's fared much better so far this spring than what I expected.  Let's hope he can keep it up.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

by Mr Clean on Mar 24, 2007 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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