community projection results: carp and juan'cion
edmonds may not be ready by opening day, according to the p-d; from the tone of the article, i'd read that as "probably won't be ready." we're told "the mildest `hiccup'" could delay edmonds' availability by a week or so; no word on how long a moderate hiccup might hold things up, to say nothing of a cough, belch, or bout of reflux.
assuming edmonds does open the season on the dl, skip schumaker likely will be in uniform for his 2d consecutive opening day; skip left the game yesterday with a sprained ankle but i haven't read anywhere that it's deemed a serious injury. the cards face tom glavine in game 1, so schumaker probably won't be in the starting lineup; likeliest wilson, taguchi, and encarnacion in the outfield, although duncan might get the nod (despite the platoon thing) as a reward for his work last season. tony likes to hand out little perks like that.
still hard to see how john rodriguez fights his way onto the roster. despite an 8 for 17 spring he's likely bound for memphis, unless they trade him. you'd think some american league team might need a left-handed-hitting dh / outfielder. but then, the cardinals might find themselves needing a left-handed bat . . . . in the post article linked above, la russa evinced some impatience with preston wilson, who's swinging a sluggish bat --- 11 whiffs in 22 at-bats; i'm vaguely reminded of junior spivey's line from last spring. spivey, though, was coming off a couple of serious injuries and was never as good a hitter as wilson to begin with; i'm not convinced yet that preston is this year's junior.
very briefly, here are the results from the carpenter and encarnacion community projections. carp first: in descending era order, here's how the forecasts line up:
| IP | H | BB | SO | HR | W-L | ERA | WHIP | |||
| VEB | 221 | 195 | 48 | 189 | 20 | 19-7 | 3.04 | 1.100 | ||
| ZIPS | 209 | 187 | 42 | 170 | 21 | 16-6 | 3.06 | 1.096 | ||
| CCH | 220 | 188 | 52 | 189 | 18 | 19-7 | 3.11 | 1.091 | ||
| CHONE | 204 | 189 | 43 | 167 | 19 | n/a | 3.13 | 1.137 | ||
| Shandler | 218 | n/a | n/a | 178 | 24 | 18-7 | 3.23 | 1.115 | ||
| PECOTA | 202 | 187 | 48 | 182 | 19 | 14-8 | 3.26 | 1.163 | ||
| Marcel | 195 | 178 | 46 | 162 | 20 | 14-7 | 3.42 | 1.149 | ||
| Bill James | 236 | 222 | 63 | 187 | 25 | 16-10 | 3.55 | 1.208 |
for the first time, VEB's projected era for a st louis pitcher was the lowest among all those under review; we weren't, however, wildly optimistic compared to the other, more objective measures. as with a number of earlier projections (see wells, edmonds), our carpenter figures matched those projected by the guys at cardinals clubhouse (CCH) almost perfectly. here's the aggregate projection:
| IP | H | BB | SO | HR | W-L | ERA | WHIP |
| 212 | 193 | 48 | 187 | 21 | 16-8 | 3.24 | 1.139 |
and here are the aggregate projections of the 1 through 4 starters in the st louis rotation:
| IP | H | BB | SO | HR | W-L | ERA | WHIP | |||
| carpenter | 212 | 193 | 48 | 187 | 21 | 16-8 | 3.24 | 1.139 | ||
| wells | 124 | 128 | 58 | 87 | 21 | 7-9 | 4.66 | 1.491 | ||
| wainwright | 172 | 168 | 56 | 142 | 18 | 13-8 | 4.06 | 1.302 | ||
| reyes | 153 | 142 | 47 | 132 | 21 | 10-8 | 3.91 | 1.235 |
in the last four seasons, the cards have had 3 starting pitchers with era's of 4.06 or lower only once --- 2005.
the encarnacion projection . . . . why did we bother? there's incredibly little difference of opinion over what this player will do in 2007. more than 70 percent of the respondents (32 in all) put encarnacion's ops within a 25-point range (.750 to .775), and all but two of the "objective" projection systems put him in the same range. however, in his 8 seasons juan'cion has fallen outside those parameters as often than he's fallen within them; in the last three seasons his ops has only fallen within that range once, last year. he's really not that consistent a player from one season to the next; his average year-to-year change in ops is 50 points. since encarnacion was at .760 last year, a 50-point swing would put him in the range of either.810 --- a career high --- or .710. . . .
| AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | | | AVG | OBP | SLG | |||
| Marcel | 506 | 66 | 138 | 27 | 3 | 17 | 72 | 37 | | | .273 | .327 | .439 | ||
| VEB | 498 | 66 | 137 | 24 | 3 | 18 | 74 | 34 | | | .275 | .321 | .444 | ||
| PECOTA | 461 | 62 | 126 | 25 | 3 | 15 | 60 | 31 | | | .272 | .323 | .437 | ||
| Shandler | 501 | 64 | 137 | 26 | 2 | 17 | 71 | 34 | | | .274 | .320 | .436 | ||
| Bill James | 522 | 67 | 141 | 28 | 3 | 17 | 75 | 34 | | | .270 | .322 | .433 | ||
| CHONE | 539 | 69 | 143 | 26 | 4 | 17 | 67 | 37 | | | .265 | .320 | .423 | ||
| ZIPS | 442 | 58 | 117 | 22 | 2 | 12 | 53 | 28 | | | .265 | .315 | .405 | ||
| CCH | 423 | 57 | 112 | 19 | 2 | 16 | 60 | 27 | | | .265 | .309 | .433 |
and here's the composite:
| AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | | | AVG | OBP | SLG |
| 496 | 64 | 134 | 26 | 3 | 16 | 68 | 34 | | | .271 | .317 | .431 |
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no suprise
Wilson will have an oppertunity to be a very important member of this team, but only if he starts to make contact with the bat.
Got my tickets for the weekend series in Pittsburgh on the 28th, 29th, 30th of September. That could prove to be the clincher!
Head to Toe
by the red baron on Mar 12, 2007 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder...
otsuka
I disagree
BTW, just for my own information, who are the options for the Rangers in the outfield? I don't follow them real closely, particularly at the major league level.
by the red baron on Mar 12, 2007 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
trading otsuka
the rangers outfield options--kenny lofton, frank catalonotta, nelson cruz, brad wilkerson, jason botts, sammy sosa and marlon byrd. wilkerson was injured last year and should be recovered and much better this year. botts and cruz are youngsters with potential. you might take j.rod over some of those guys, but the rangers arent exactly hurting for outfielders.
Heh. Sosa's never gonna step onto
i'm not optimistic
yeah, yeah
Rodriguez and the roster
That could be true
by the red baron on Mar 12, 2007 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
it might
Separately, I can't help but be disappointed that Troy Cate apparently is being sent down today. I hope and expect we'll see him on the big club before the season ends.
Agreed
by the red baron on Mar 12, 2007 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Carpenter, Rodriguez
For J-Rod's sake, I wish the Cardinals released or traded him. To me it seems clear he deserves a shot, but on the Cardinals at best he is a #6 OFer.
Carp
I agree that J-Rod deserves a better chance than he is likely to get.
He only has 100 victories
Incidentally, Cot's Contracts has started adding total payroll numbers to the top of each team's page.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/st-louis-cardinals_111971260115041890.html
keep in mind
Carp will probably have to string together a slew -- I'd say at least 6 and probably 8 -- more top-notch seasons before he'll get any serious HOF talk.
He's going to have to maintain
He's not a Hall of Famer
I don't understand why LaRussa
by Red in Chicago on Mar 12, 2007 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
Yeah, I think a lot of us would rather
Signing career average Preston Wilson
by Jonathan23 on Mar 12, 2007 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
me
gameday
is Gameday frozen?
but it seems to be frozen at that point.
Whether I like the idea or not
Me too.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Mar 12, 2007 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta like Loop-d-loop's game today
IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA GO AO
4.2 4 0 0 0 3 0 0.00 7 4
And his stats so far this spring:
G GS IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA WHIP GO AO
3 3 11.0 10 1 1 1 5 0 0.83 1.00 15 13
The only criticism I can see so far is that he may not be doing a very good job of holding runners on. The Bravos seemed to be running on him pretty aggressively, even with Yadi behind the plate.
sounds to me
I agree...
Personally, I'd rather it be Thompson as the #5 starter and Looper as the 8th inning guy instead of the other way around, but what the heck do I know?
I've got a brilliant plan:
That aside
by Hardcore Legend on Mar 12, 2007 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Nothing
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by Birds on the Matt on Mar 12, 2007 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
oh not trying to be...
Ank's Jack
Any chance
by Toddius396 on Mar 12, 2007 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
No...
I found that funny too
It's a lost cause
Oi
by Birds on the Matt on Mar 12, 2007 4:58 PM EDT reply actions
Cubs '07 = Reds '06
Yeah
And other than Derek Lee, I'm not convinced that their offense has any On-base players (without looking very deeply). They won't be able to wait for the 3 run homer because no one will ever be on base for it to happen.
Murton, but they're platooning him
A lot of talent...
- The way it stands now they are going to platoon Murton with Cliff Floyd if he can stay healthy. - Bad Move
- Soriano is set to lead off and play center. - Bad move x 10
- After Zambrano what do they have? Rich Hill could be very good, but Marquis and Lilly are league average or worse. Prior and Wade Miller? Please.....
- Dempster as their closer? If he fails will Wood's arm stay intact long enough to produce?
- Mark DeRosa? haha, Ok!
- I'm pretty sure the last I read Izturis won't be their starting SS- Yeah let's have probably the best defensive SS in MLB ride the pine.
- IMO Barrett's bat can't even come close to making up for his defense and awful game calling.
by CardinalsfanIraq on Mar 12, 2007 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree about Barrett
Meh.
You are talking about a team that's best left handed hitters were JJ, Zambrano, and Marquis. It makes sense. Well, the money was stupid, but that's the invisible caveat about everything Cubs this offseason.
Ward and Floyd should be helpful off the bench -- in that they're better with them than without them, used appropriately anyway.
Stats wise
Dunno where you're getting that he's not the starter. He is. Cedeno probably won't even be the backup; they'll keep Theriot up and send Cedeno down.
They should just
i agree their pitching is in trouble...
Knowing what we know, I think we should be very comfortable with our rotation as compared to the Cubs' - for the exact same reason. Reyes, WW and Wells should be better than whatever they're going to put up in those slots. Lilly may not stay healthy, to say nothing of Prior/Miller/Wood. And it may help the rest of the league if Marquis DOES stay healthy.
As far as OBP, last year they didn't have a single player with an OBP better than 75th in baseball. Michael Barrett and D. Lee were tied at 75th with an OBP of .368; Murton was at .365.
i don't know, i'm scared.
also, their bullpen may be the strongest part of that team. howry and eyre are solid. dempster can be good; wood is hovering.
we know they can slug, but you must give dusty baker at least some credit for their recent on base percentages. from what i have seen (and that is a lot, considering i get full cubs tv coverage), they look much more patient at the plate, and pinella is preaching as much.
now, i expect them to fall apart. i find myself expecting/praying for an injury to a key player: zambrano smashed his shoulder into the ground today, and lee pulled his groin.
but, i'm scared, no doubt about it, and also fascinated by the prospect of the tragic fall.
by brock on Mar 13, 2007 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Cubbie Bullpen
In the Central, I see the Cards,Astros, and maybe even the Brewers (depends on Turnbow) having a stronger bullpen.
P-D article
La Russa recently noted the slow starts by Taguchi and Wilson but appeared more concerned about Wilson's problems than Taguchi's.Rested Sunday, Wilson managed an RBI double over the first-base bag Saturday against the Baltimore Orioles but has a .136 average with 11 strikeouts after 22 at-bats. Taguchi has made better contact but was hitting only .130 entering Sunday's game against the Atlanta Braves. Wilson, who last season struck out 121 times in 501 at-bats, recently explained his early scuffles as a product of his hitting style.
"I think big guys who have longer swings -- it takes us a little bit longer," said Wilson, bothered recently by shoulder discomfort. "I've been that way my whole career. I've never had a great spring training."
La Russa sounded unconvinced about Wilson's explanation "Preston's got to turn the corner here pretty soon, I read his comment about a big, long swing and spring," he said. "Well, April and May is spring, too. Shorten your swing."
LOL. Sounds like Tony is running out of patience with one of his "veterans". I noticed he wasn't in today's game at all, either...



















