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Seems Thompson has been making some noise in camp recently and now is considered to be the favorite to inherit the 8th inning set up role. At the same time, he is a dark horse candidate to win the 5th spot in the rotation. I thought it would be fun to take a quick look over the career of Brad Thompson:

Thompson was selected in the 16th round of the 2002 amateur draft out of Dixie State College out of Utah. (It's a JUCO.) In 2003 and at the age of 21, Brad made his debut at low class A Peoria and fared well, posting a 2.91 ERA over 65 innings. He appeared in 30 games, starting 4 of them. In those 65 innings, he struck out 41, walked only 10 and allowed just 2 home runs. He was promoted to high class A where he appeared in 2 games, starting 1. Not a bad debut overall. His K rate was below average to call him a prospect, but with his control plus ground ball % he certainly could've been labeled a sleeper.  

Converted to starting from pitching primarily in relief in 2004, Thompson made national headlines when he set a Southern League record 49 scoreless innings. Being switched from starting to relief seemed to help Thompson, as he improved his K/9 ratio to 7.12 from 5.95 while maintaining his control. But as the season went on, Thompson tired both physically (shoulder) and mentally (you try and be perfect for 49 innings) and fizzled somewhat towards the end of the season. He finished the season in AAA and allowed 20 hits and 9 earned runs in just 14 innings. It should also be noted that Thompson represented the Cardinals in the Futures Game that year during the All Star Break. He was ranked the number #6 Cardinal prospect by Baseball America and #4 by John Sickels.  

You would perhaps think that after his season in 2004 the Cardinals would have thought they had a future starting pitcher on their hands, but the Cardinals joined the consensus that Thompson was destined to the bullpen due to his lack of overwhelming "stuff". Given a choice between the shortcut of making the bigs as a reliever or taking the longer and more uncertain road of starting, Thompson accepted a role in the 'pen at Memphis in 2005, and was quickly promoted to the Show, making his debut 5/8/05 and picking up a cheap save that day. He stuck the rest of the year in the "get out of a jam with a double play on a ground ball" role. His strikeout rate was only 4.75, but he didn't need to make a lot of guys whiff when batters were beating the ball into the ground 60% of the time.

Last year Brad got off to a good start, but went on a downturn in May and was crap in July, and was sent back to AAA to work on his mechanics. He made 14 appearances for Memphis and started in 5 games to get in more work and to perhaps audition for a future role. As we know, he finished the season with the big club and was on the playoff roster.

He's having an excellent spring thus far, and has caught TLR/DD's eyes for the shape he has come to camp in. Matt Leach at his blog reports that Thompson is a long shot to win a rotation job, but isn't that far out of reach that he can't win the job. With Kinney out, it's more likely now he'll remain in the bullpen, but when you look at his stats he's actually been better as a starter then a reliever over his brief career. Sure, those are minor league numbers and there's that 49 scoreless inning streak with all it's luckiness, but maybe Thompson could make a decent starting pitcher. I'm not for sure he can, but you can say the same of Looper, and BT has more starting experience. Fatigue has always been a concern for Thompson, but if it's true that he is in terrific shape, maybe he could endure the longer outings. No matter what role he lands in, he should be an asset.

There you have it. Behold! Wonderbrad!

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Going into spring training, I thought Thompson should have been first in line for the No. 5 slot.

But as you mentioned, with Kinney's absence, it appears that he's staying in the bullpen.

Sign Kurt Kepshire! The 26th Man

by 26thMan on Mar 11, 2007 3:26 AM EST reply actions  

if I do nothing else, ever
I'll be pleased with coining WonderBrad as a legacy.

by DanUpBaby on Mar 11, 2007 4:30 AM EST reply actions  

i knew someone
here came up with it, forgot it was you dan. cheers for that.

by erik on Mar 11, 2007 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

What makes sense???
This is the thing about LaDuncan that drives me crazy.  They get a concept in their brains (such as Looper would make a great starter) and they fixate upon the concept to the distraction of reason.  Looper hasn't started a game since A ball many, many seasons ago.  He's been a 8th or 9th innning guy out of the pen his entire ML career.  We just lost our 8th inning guy to injury.  Thompson has been a middle reliever mainly in the ML.  Last year, Thompson started a game in the ML as well as several at Memphis.  Logic dictates that Looper go back to his accustomed roll of setup for which we have a need and that Thompson takes the 5th starter job for which he is better suited and more experienced.

I suppose DD sees Looper as another Ken Bottenfield.  We'll see.  Why roll the dice instead of making the smart play?

by jjray on Mar 11, 2007 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

another thought on Looper as a starter
The knock on Looper has always been that right handers murder the guy.  If Looper were moved back to the pen, he'd most likely share the 8th inning role with TJ.  TLR would be able to pick his spots to use Looper minimizing exposure to left-handed power bats thus maximizing Looper's value.  As a starter, there is nowhere to hide.  Looper has to face the entire lineup multiple times.

by jjray on Mar 11, 2007 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd bet
that LaRussa and Duncan have more faith in Thompson in the 8th than they do Looper.  I think they're trying this w/ Looper to maximize the value they can get out of his contract.  If he goes back to the pen, I think we still need an 8th inning guy b/c it won't be Looper and he becomes a $4.5 million 6th-7th inning guy.  Not trying to justify it necessarily, but I don't think it's as simple as you say.

by chuckb on Mar 11, 2007 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean lefties, but a good point
Braden's career splits, according to Yahoo (and STATS Inc):

vs righties: 367 ip,  317 h,  16 hr,  1.17 whip,  .235 baa
vs lefties: 240 ip,  300 h,  30 hr,  1.67 whip,  .306 baa

The one thing I'll disagree with in the "there's nowhere to hide"  theory - a starting pitcher who enters every inning with a clean slate has more of an opportunity to potentially pitch around a guy than a guy out of the bullpen who, often times, is called in with someone else's runners already on base.

Looper allowed 11 of 25 (44%) inherited runners in last year, 37% over his career... not sure where that rates among all relievers, but probaby a little high for an eighth-inning guy. Russ Springer, for example, allowed 9 of 25 (36%) a year ago, and 11 of 40 (27%) two years ago. Scott Linebrink, working primarily as setup man to Trevor Hoffman and reportedly on the trading block, has allowed only 13 of 45 (28%) over the past two years, 26% over his career.

by taiko on Mar 11, 2007 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody know..
if wonderbrad has developed something to go along with his sinker? Seems that would be prerequisite to effective starting, although I guess he could be a Derek Lowe-type. Even Lowe throws some halfway decent offspeed stuff though...
Acquire any Established Major League Starter!

by guayzimi on Mar 11, 2007 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

sink or swim with the sinker
best I can tell, its his only great pitch - thus the reasoning for leaving him in the pen

by Hinkster on Mar 11, 2007 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes velocity?
A blurb in the Chicago Tribune this morning mentioned that Reyes has lost some velocity this winter.  

Anyone know if there's anything to that?

by sdrone on Mar 11, 2007 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't know
he had 4 K's in 3 IP the other day.  Quote from the p-d:

"Anthony Reyes struck out four as his fastball reached 91 mph and consistently worked at 90 mph Friday against the Marlins. Reyes (2-0) worked swiftly, too, getting 11 outs on 47 pitches (30 strikes). "

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/3A4DAAD8CC5268598625729A0015D74A ?OpenDocument

If it's down, maybe it's because he's throwing more of the 2 seamer than the 4 seamer, thus the quick innings.  It might be bull or it might be pitch selection.  Either way, I'm not worried.  He's going to be a good one.

by chuckb on Mar 11, 2007 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pujols
good article in the PD today about pujols
I love the quote "I will respect a pitcher but I will never give him credit -- never," Pujols said.

by gdowdy3 on Mar 11, 2007 1:06 PM EDT reply actions  

I think that's immature...
and disrespectful.  When you get beat, you have to tip your cat and admit it.  He says if he strikes out four times, he won't give him credit.  That's self-centered.  

Not Cool.  

by Brock20 on Mar 11, 2007 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh that should be
tip your cap, not cat.  Tip your cat when it finally does something useful, like your taxes.  

by Brock20 on Mar 11, 2007 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree with your reading
of that comment, Brock20.  Seems to me what he's saying is he'll never say that there wasn't something he couldn't've done better in a particular at-bat.  To me, that's not arrogance, it's perspicacity the likes of which we rarely see in baseball or anywhere else for that matter.

Don't you ever get tired of post-game interviews where baffled hitters talk about how good a guy's stuff was, how he just 'beat' them, was just 'better'?  I do.  I think Albert's just saying he won't give that type of credit without first blaming himself.  Sounds like a formula for pressing and getting oneself out, yes; but it hasn't hurt him so far.

by jfs on Mar 11, 2007 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No pitcher can strike Albert out 4 times
If he did, it would be his fault, not the pitcher's skill. I think that's what he's saying. Arrogant, yes. But- "It ain't braggin' if you can do it".
I agree, though, it is immature. That's his edge showing. He's still not Manny or one those other ounks.
A walk is a waste of three pitches-Bob Gibson

by orlando card on Mar 11, 2007 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ounks are punks in Florida.
A walk is a waste of three pitches-Bob Gibson

by orlando card on Mar 11, 2007 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Begs the question...
what do you tip a cat in Florida that does your taxes?  

I definately think Albert has an edge to him that has shown through many similar comments.  It is one that I don't particularly care for and forcasts worse things to come when things aren't going right.  

I think we give him a pass because he has performed and more importantly, he's on our team.  Being out of market, I see how comments like those are perceived by the media of other teams, and it loses some of it's luster.  

That said, the man has a tremendous work ethic, something that is lacking in other professional athletes.  He gets along with his teammates quite well.  By all accounts he's a devoted father and husband and does a lot of work for charity.  

I'm not prepared to string him up, I'm saying praising that quote is going overboard.  

by Brock20 on Mar 11, 2007 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

what the heck's...
the difference between respecting a pitcher and giving him credit?
Acquire any Established Major League Starter!

by guayzimi on Mar 11, 2007 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just woke up
Gameday says Skip left the game with a leg injury, did anyone see it on mlb.tv and see how bad it was?

by TICY on Mar 11, 2007 2:03 PM EDT reply actions  

he looked to pull up running through first base
I'd guess he pulled a hamstring.  They cut to break after it happened and haven't talked about it much on TV that I've noticed.

by azruavatar on Mar 11, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

they just said
it was a sprained ankle, x-rays negative

Skip is day-to-day

by azruavatar on Mar 11, 2007 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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