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clutch hitting --- ah, the eternal (or should i say infernal?) question.

not that many years ago, bill james studied clutch-hitting ability exhaustively and declared it a mere illusion. doesn't really exist, he said with certainty; a player might gain a reputation as a clutch hitter via a few well-timed and -remembered big hits, but there's no evidence that any player, over a large sample size, can reliably raise his game with wins and losses on the line. rather, james concluded, players' clutch production mirrors their non-clutch production over the long haul; a guy's abilities don't change simply because the game context changes.

james has spent the last 10 or 15 years tiptoeing away from this finding. with better statistics and faster computers, sabermetricians are now better able to isolate and study clutch situations --- and they're finding that clutch-hitting ability does exist, at least in a limited number of cases and within a limited set of parameters. most recently and persuasively, andy dolphin asserted in The Book that clutch hitting is a bona fide skill --- rare, but very real. in all but a handful of cases, james' axiom still holds true --- for most players clutch hitting comes and goes randomly, regressing to the mean over time. every string of big clutch hits a player delivers will be canceled out by a proportional string of clutch outs. david eckstein serves as the prime example of this principle: no cardinal was clutcher than he in 2005, but in 2006 he couldn't buy a big hit --- not until the last two games of the world series, anyway. albert pujols might serve as another example. it's not well remembered anymore, but one of the major storylines for most of 2005 was pujols' pattern of coming up empty in game situations. (see this post from august 2005 for an example.) of course, game 5 of the '05 nlcs forever abolished our memories of albert's regular-season unclutchness, and his incredible performance in the clutch throughout 2006 cemented his legend. he's now a Certified Clutch Hitter; has a ring to prove it and everything.

but should we rely on him to produce in the clutch again in 2007? only at our peril.

last season, fangraphs' david appelman began tracking a gadget statistic called "clutchiness," which derives from this post by tangotiger at The Book blog. the best definition of the principle comes from the Clutchiness blog:

By comparing a player's value in terms of win probability to his projected value based on OBP and SLG, we see how much he has over- or under-performed expectations . . . in higher leverage situations.
got it? over time, a typical player's value as measured by win probability added (or WPA) should match his value as measured by OPS; a player whose WPA value consistently exceeds his OPS value might reasonably be regarded as a good clutch hitter.

fangraphs calculates clutchiness via a mathematical formula that you can find here, at the very bottom of the page. here are the cardinals' 2006 leaders in clutchiness (abbreviated "CL" in the table). the values expressed below correspond to wins:

WPA
value
OPS
value
CL
pujols 9.24 6.39 2.67
spiezio 1.95 0.95 1.00
bennett 0.03 -0.86 0.79
molina -1.68 -2.46 0.62
p wilson 0.60 -0.01 0.61
miles -0.64 -1.20 0.49
taguchi -0.39 -0.71 0.26

first things first: you'll note that the clutchiness number doesn't always equal the difference between WPA value and OPS value. that's because there is a multiplier involved, called leverage index, which is not worth the trouble of explaining in depth. the short explanation is that leverage index measures each player's opportunity to impact win probability --- his clutch at-bats as a proportion of his overall at-bats, roughly speaking. you can't really fault a guy for having a low clutch value if he rarely comes up in clutch situations.

continue reading after the jump . . . .

to nobody's surprise, pujols led the majors in this category in 2006 --- albert was so good in the clutch that he contributed 2.67 more wins than his raw statistics would have suggested. this is all the more incredible when you consider that teams routinely pitched around him in clutch situations, which artificially lowered his win-probability score. fangraphs' clutchiness figures only go back to 2002; in that five-year period, only one player has recorded a higher number than pujols did last year (david ortiz posted a 3.72 clutchiness score in 2005). but just to show you that clutch performance can be fleeting, last year was the only time in five years that pujols has posted a positive clutchiness figure:

WPA
value
OPS
value
CL
2006 9.24 6.39 2.67
2005 3.59 5.95 -2.16
2004 5.76 6.27 -0.22
2003 5.72 7.08 -0.88
2002 3.41 3.90 -0.43

over his career, pujols has been slightly less impactful in the clutch than in non-clutch situations. note that he's still incredibly valuable overall; his WPAs of 5.76 in 2004 and 5.72 in 2003 were among the best in the game for those years, so we shouldn't conclude from his poor clutchiness numbers that pujols' great stats don't translate into wins. on the contrary, they translate into tons of wins. but until last season, albert apparently didn't produce at his usual rate in situations where the game really hung in the balance, when a hit might have turned a loss into a win.

now go back up to the table listing the cards' 2006 clutchiness leaders. look at how prevalent the postseason heroes are on this list (which, remember, only accounts for the regular season). pujols had the decisive hits in the first 2 games of october, getting the cards off on the right foot; spiezio delivered two of the biggest hits of 2006 (the triples vs the brewers in the 160th game of the year and vs the mets in game 2 of the nlcs); no need to remind you of the game-winning homers by molina and taguchi at shea. perhaps the latter two clouts weren't so shocking after all; taguchi and molina had been raising their games in the clutch all season long. and it's even better than that: taguchi and molina are the only st louis players whose clutchiness score has been in the black three seasons in a row:

TAGUCHI

WPA
value
OPS
value
CL
2006 -0.39 -0.71 0.26
2005 -0.16 -0.43 0.22
2004 0.28 -0.04 0.32

MOLINA

WPA
value
OPS
value
CL
2006 -1.68 -2.46 0.62
2005 -0.77 -1.47 0.52
2004 0.10 -0.32 0.36

here, we find the opposite of what we said about pujols above. these "clutch" players are still net losers, as indicated by their negative WPA. over the course of a given season, they generally contribute more to losing than to winning. but they also very clearly, and very consistenly, get the most out of their limited skills when the game is in the balance. if they're below-average hitters overall, maybe they perform like average hitters in the clutch. follow?

we can substantiate that impression with one of the more traditional measures of clutch performance: hitting with runners in scoring position, or RISP. the following are career totals:

avg obp slg iso babip
taguchi overall .281 .331 .399 .118 .318
taguchi w RISP .341 .385 .438 .097 .407
molina overall .238 .291 .342 .104 .249
molina w RISP .296 .361 .371 .075 .317

check out molina: his isolated power w/ RISP dips nearly 30 points, but his batting avg goes up by 58 points and his avg on balls in play (BABIP) increases by 67 points. taguchi shows a similar tendency --- iso power dips from .118 to .097, while his batting avg increases by 60 points and his BABIP soars by almost 90 points. these stats lead me to believe that we're not really measuring clutch ability in these figures; rather, we're measuring (one of my favorite concepts) situational intelligence. i think that with men in scoring position, these players cut down on their swings and simply try to put the ball in play and drive in the runners. they hit for less power but get more line drives, as reflected in the higher batting avgs and BABIPs. and the impact of those rbi hits --- higher win probability --- gets captured in the clutchiness stat.

there's a lot more to say about this, but i've gone on more than long enough; spent an extra 40 minutes on this post that i was supposed to have spent on the stationary bike. another lump of muscle mass sacrificed at the altar of baseball statistics . . . . please don't tell my insurance agent about this.

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Clutchiness
Excellent analysis, as always.  The belief aspect likely plays a huge role as well.

Be it Little League of MLB, once you do it (even if by sticking your bat in the right place)you're more likely to do it again.  So when Albert cranks Lidge in a playoff game - we believe he's more likely to do it again, he believes it too, and so does Lidge!

Helps explain why some batters continue to "own" certain pitchers.  

by Hinkster on Feb 1, 2007 8:55 AM EST   0 recs

Batting order
So let me see if I am if I am getting this right.  If we move Molina up in the order to say like 7th to take advantage of his gained abilities during RISP situations, the line-up would take a hit because he sucks in every other situation as shown by WPA/OPS expectancy.  

I am thinking in-text (out-loud) here.  I wonder if something like this should have an effect batting order or is the difference in the number of high leverage or RISP situations that a 7th vs 8th hitter see during a year so small that it doesn't matter?

by BigJawnMize on Feb 1, 2007 8:57 AM EST   0 recs

i think your last point is correct
i think the # of at-bats is so small that it doesn't matter. even so, i am heartened to know that molina is a career .300 hitter with RISP --- it at least partially redeems his overall awfulness with the bat.

by lboros on Feb 1, 2007 9:15 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

one other thing i should have noted
5 of stl's 7 clutchiest players last year were bench players --- spiezio, bennett, wilson, miles, and taguchi . . . .

by lboros on Feb 1, 2007 9:12 AM EST   0 recs

The other odd thing.
I bet if you look over the major leagues you will find many of the most and least clutchiest players are bench players because they are getting pinch-ABs in high leverage situations.  They would have the highest percentage of ABs in high leverage situations and the outcome of these atbats would have a greater impact on their WAP.  Again, just thinking out-loud...

by BigJawnMize on Feb 1, 2007 9:35 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

theoretically the formula adjusts for that
because of the leverage-index multiplier. if a high proportion of a given player's AB are in high-leverage situations, that would be reflected in his overall clutchiness stat.

for the cardinals, the least clutchy players were mainly the starters: duncan was -0.88 (remember all those times he whiffed with the bases loaded?), eckstein was -0.48 (after a stellar +0.52 last season), and rolen and edmonds were a combined -2.63, nearly cancelling out all of pujols' clutch value. (rolen -1.64, edmonds -0.99.) encarnacion was a relatively benign -0.36 on the clutchiness scale.

by lboros on Feb 1, 2007 9:43 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Benign
That sounds like a good way to describe Encarnacion's game.

by Stanfan6 on Feb 1, 2007 10:06 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Another word is
breezy, given his penchant for striking out.....
Personally, I think we got hosed on that call.

by cardsfanindenver on Feb 1, 2007 11:08 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

WPA
This was the problem I always had with win probability added:  If youre team comes up in the bottom o' the ninth down three, the first two guys make outs and shave percent signs off the already small chance of winning the game.  The next six guys proceed to single in succession, the first four singles are relatively worthless [to WPA], the fifth single has some %% added, and the two-run go ahead single up the middle (by aaron miles or timo perez) takes the marbles (and the %%%).   I know these things never hold up against isolation, but it almost felt like measuring RBI to me.

Does anyone have a summary of WPA by player group (bench players, bull pen, starters, position players)?  It would seem to me that in the great zero balance equation that hitters, as a group, will always be + WPA and relief pitchers, as a group, will always be - WPA.  

Also, for guys like Taguchi and Molina, could situational fielding and pitch selection be more responsible for their relative success in the clutch over their situational intelligence?  For guys who have relatively little patience, the fastballs they get with the bases loaded could be solely responsible for their increase in average.  Also, you have the first baseman holding the runner, infielders in for the double play, etc.  The defenses repsonse to the situation may have a greater impact than the hitters approach to the situation.  

by Jonathan23 on Feb 1, 2007 10:15 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

your reservation re WPA is valid
dan fox and will carroll were debating this very thing the other day; i don't have a link, but it is a good read. click on the "Dan Agonistes" link on the sidebar (under "Everything Else") and you should be able to find it without too much trouble.

re the situational stuff: to me, the telling factor is the dropoff in isolated power. if it were simply a matter of these guys getting better pitches to hit, we'd expect their numbers to improve across the board --- not just a higher batting average, but also more power, or at the very least equivalent power. instead we're seeing an increased frequency of singles combined with a reduced frequency of extra-base hits. to me, that is highly suggestive of an altered approach at the plate.

i wondered if perhaps the explanation could be that these guys pick up the ball better when a pitcher is throwing out of the stretch, vs throwing out of a windup ---- but, again, if that were the case we'd expect to see their power increase, rather than decrease.

by lboros on Feb 1, 2007 10:24 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Little patience...
I'm not saying that Tags and Yadi are Pujols or anything...who walks about twice as often as he Ks (of course they don't get pitched around often either), but I would say are more patient than your average player.

They each walked about 2/3 as often as they Kd last year...a trend that follows Yadi's whole carreer.  

by cardzfanbub on Feb 1, 2007 11:23 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Breakdown
Fan Graphs normally groups the values by Batters (including pitcher totals), Starting Pitchers, and Relievers. To further separate the batters into the starting lineup and the bench, you have two options:
  • If you want to arbitrarily determine who the starters are and who the bench is, then you could fairly easily figure out the values.
  • If you wanted to compare the starting lineup in each game to players coming off the bench, that's a whole different beast and a very significant amount of work.
As for batters outperforming the bullpen, that is obviously dependant on the ability of the players. If you have a strong bullpen, like the Twins this year, there's no way the batters will do better. If you have a patchwork set of relievers, like the Royals, the lineup can't help but do better. Also, if you have a starting staff that can only keep the team in the game (and not put it away), more of the glory/blame gets shifted to the bullpen and/or the lineup.
To further the conversation, here are the team totals for St. Louis the last five years:
  • 2002 (rotation +8.537, bullpen +8.111, batting -0.648 / +3.516 not counting pitchers)
  • 2003 (rotation +2.011, bullpen -1.099, batting +3.088 / +6.058 not counting pitchers)
  • 2004 (rotation +8.389, bullpen +9.383, batting +6.228 / +10.412 not counting pitchers)
  • 2005 (rotation +11.661, bullpen +6.506, batting +0.833 / +5.008 not counting pitchers)
  • 2006 (rotation +0.708, bullpen +2.384, batting -0.592 / +3.237 not counting pitchers)
If you take away the anchor of having the pitchers bat, the lineup outperformed the bullpen in 3 of the 5 years (with pitchers, it's only 1 of 5).

The National League, as a whole, will always get better production out of the bullpen than the lineup based almost entirely on pitchers batting.

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Feb 1, 2007 12:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Theoretically...
but you'd have to dig into the formula to check. Often in science one makes an adjustment to try to cancel out some factor, but the adjustment is imperfect and the factor still "taints" the final result. On the other hand, if you believe in LaRussa's and Jocketty's instinctive or learned ability to judge players' value, you can explain the discrepancy on that basis: tlr and wj are just good at scooping up clutchy bench players. fwiw, if you believe the second alternative, my dad is your evil twin.

by lordsummer on Feb 1, 2007 10:16 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

that begs the question
in my mind if it's the player or TLR's usually thoughtful deployment of his bench.

I always marvel at what washed up bench player has a career year with TLR, e.g. Nunez.

by azruavatar on Feb 1, 2007 10:15 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Hence
their return in 07. I don't know if the team runs numbers like this (another great post, btw), but this may help explain why Walt and TLR have kept so many seemingly average to below average  benchriders from last year--the perception of "clutchiness."

by rockin redbird on Feb 1, 2007 10:42 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

IMO
Clutchiness has to be tied to overall value. For instance, with the game on the line (unless it's a walkoff situation) pitchers won't give Pujols anything decent to hit. In the past, that's caused him to sometimes swing at pitches he wouldn't otherwise.

Yadi and the Gooch are more likely to be challenged, as the pitcher likes his chances against lesser hitters. There is no way Wagner throws that fastball to Albert the same way he did to our favorite #99.
 

by Matt on Feb 1, 2007 9:25 AM EST   0 recs

Molina
I've always thought he was super-clutch. Even before the 06 playoffs, despite his general suckitude, it seemed, when he did get hits, they were important, game changing hits.

by cardsfaninmass on Feb 1, 2007 9:30 AM EST   0 recs

Completely agree
I kept saying all year long, despite that .214 average, to anyone that would listen, that Yadi comes through when it matters. Its good to know there are statistics to back that up. Thanks lboros.
Let's Go Yadi

by SHUCardinal on Feb 1, 2007 9:52 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Hooray
While I agree that it is good that Molina almost hits .300 with RISP, that really is not that clutch since almost every player at some point in a year or two year stretch can do that by the low sampling pools and law of averages.  The fact remains that sub-.300 is still not excellent and his overall OBP cripples the team by not getting on base for the pitchers to bunt (if hit perfectly) him over and give opportunities to the top of the order.  ie most innings still end after the 7 hitter no matter the situation unless a pinch hitter is used in the 9 hole.
PBR: When only the next best thing will do.

by sherwood on Feb 1, 2007 10:38 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Would you
rather have a bench that is clutch, or one that can fill in well for an injured started?

Assuming a 5-man bench, you can't have much of a mix.  I go for clutch and hope that you don't have too many injuries.

by Stanfan6 on Feb 1, 2007 9:35 AM EST   0 recs

Jack Clark
I don't have the numbers to back it up, but for a few years, it seems that Jack Clark came through with big hits more often than anyone I can remember.

by Iowa on Feb 1, 2007 10:12 AM EST   0 recs

It would be interesting to see...
the bottom half of this scale.  Who is not clutch?  I think that there aren't really clutch players, but there are certainly those that get nervous in high pressure situations.  Who has shown a tendency to perform under their ability in clutch situations?

by outraged on Feb 1, 2007 10:43 AM EST   0 recs

For batters
The "unclutchiest" player in the majors (as a raw total vs rate) was Chipper Jones. His OPS should have netted him a WPA of 3.47, but his actual value was 1.08, leaving a Clutchiness of -2.56. (Interestingly enough, his Clutchiness last year was +2.28, boosting his overall total to 5.21, making him the most valuable position player in the NL.)

Scott Rolen had the 8th worst Clutchiness in the majors (-1.64), while Ronnie Belliard was probably the "unlcutchiest" by rate, posting a -1.44 in only two months (StL stats only). Hector Luna makes it three Cardinals in the bottom 15, turning his +0.13 OPS Wins into an overall WPA of -1.23.

Jim Edmonds (-0.99), Chris Duncan (-0.81), and John Rodriguez (-0.77) also made it in the bottom 50, killing any advantage Albert may have provided.

As a team, the Cardinals underperformed their OPS Wins by -2.66. (Another interesting note: Marquis actually did something good for the team - his Clutchiness was +0.36, the highest by any pitcher in the majors.)

Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Feb 1, 2007 11:56 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Fantastic point...
The ISO is really telling.  An increased hit rate coming at the expense of power.  What else could that mean?  That's just good situational hitting.  I enjoyed baseball way before I was even aware of sabermetrics, but once I started to become aware of the numbers of baseball I became increasingly annoyed with the Joe Morgan school of saying whatever you feel like ("you've got to manufacture runs in da playoffs," etc.).  I like  employing numbers to backup what you're saying, to prove that what you're saying actually has some credence.

Having said that, though I find many of the stat-heavy articles on sites Hardball Times and BP too dense and difficult to appreciate.  No matter how many numbers you throw at me, you'll never convince me that Jimmy Edmonds isn't a total gamer, or Ray Lankford wasn't one badass dude.  Numbers can only go so far, to me, a certain level of ignorance is bliss.  

All and all there's a compromise.  That's why this blog and specifically this post is great.  It quantifies clutchiness, shows where it really exists and where it doesn't, but it also gives a good discussion and shows, with the numbers and with thoughtful analysis that a player isn't just a stat sheet.  Rather, they are capable of making intelligent in-game decisions maximizing their ability for a particular situation.

Excellent point, beautiful analysis.

o8o88o888o

by ilillillli on Feb 1, 2007 10:46 AM EST   0 recs

I wonder
how JEd rates in all this. Per yesterdays 04 HR discussion--how many times have we seen JEd look foolish swinging away when they need a hit to win a game, but then come through other times when the need is magnified(post-season).

by rockin redbird on Feb 1, 2007 10:50 AM EST   0 recs

VEB is not clutch
it's ALWAYS excellent. great post lboros. extremely interesting.

i remember an argument i had with people about reggie "mr. october" jackson a couple years ago. they were basically holding him up as the definition of a clutch player, based on his postseason performance.

well, i looked it up, and IIRC, his career OPS is worse in the divisional series than it was during the regular season, significantly better in the LCS, and a bit worse in the WS. that to me shows a lack of clutchiness and a small sample size - if he were clutch, if there were something about big-game situations that made him better, you'd expect a steady incline, yeah? now, at the time, i was just getting into the whole statistics thing and didn't consider things like the quality of opposing pitching being higher in the postseason. but i would think that would be true in each round, and still wouldn't account for the discrepancy.

by nycbirdo on Feb 1, 2007 11:28 AM EST   0 recs

another great post, LB
You really spoil us with such meaty posts during the deadest part of the offseason...

Allow me to pose what seems (to me, anyway) an obvious question, in light of the "clutch" #s for Molina and Taguchi: Why don't these guys (especially Molina) just take this cut-down-the-swing, put-the-ball-in-play approach for ALL their at-bats? Particularly Yadi -- it seems whatever he loses in ISO power from taking this approach full-time would be more than offset by the improvement we'd see in his putrid AVG and OBP.

Let's assume Yadi could more or less replicate his "clutch" numbers over a full season if he adopted this short-swing approach. (A big assumption, yes, but humor me here.) Based on the numbers above, his OPS would jump from .633 to .732.  To me, that's the difference b/w being a terrific defensive catcher whose useless bat negates any advantage the team gains from his glove, and a player who does just enough at the plate to make his great glove a net positive.

Am I missing something here? (Very likely, since I'm not a stats geek.) I'd take a few less homers and doubles from Yadi over the season in exchange for 100 extra points of OPS. Swing for singles, Yadi! Who's with me?

by DCRedbird on Feb 1, 2007 11:59 AM EST   0 recs

I'd imagine because
the difference between a replacement level player and someone who's a lot better is discipline.

So might be more than a bench player if he could learn more discipline.

by sdrone on Feb 1, 2007 4:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I fee like I should get a degree
after a couple of years of reading this blog.  
So says, The Dude

by Titus Pullo on Feb 1, 2007 12:48 PM EST   0 recs

I believe
You only qualify for a certificate in baseballology. To get the degree, you have to read through a month's posts on the Devil Rays website (no slam against their work, just to get a broader course selection).
Everywhere is within walking distance if you have the time.

by Solanus on Feb 1, 2007 5:08 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

In college I had a buddy whose
academic record somehow got FUBAR, and he discovered he was 1 credit hour short of the requirement to graduate (this was at St. Louis U., early 1980s).  So he stuck around an extra semester and found a HISTORY OF BASEBALL course offering, 1 credit, to finish up.  Back in those days, lacking the kind of sophisticated stat studies presented here, it was a truly automatic A.  Nowadays, I'm sure that course is more than a little tougher.

by MdRedbirdFreak on Feb 1, 2007 9:06 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

great course
i had history of baseball in college, and the reading was wonderful, started with a book on mike "king" kelly, also read the bill james "politics of glory", but my favorite part was watching the ken burns baseball documentary, because i learned so much from and about buck o'neil
Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Feb 1, 2007 10:56 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Interesting point
raised by jonathan23 above re bases-loaded situations and fastballs. My guess is the sample sizes are too low to measure a difference in which runners are in position and how that translates. The hitter might be able to make some adjustment in terms of his stroke, but I doubt for most batters there is that much difference between hitting with one man on second and sacks jammed.

But the pitcher no doubt would have a very different approach since walking in the winning run carries with it an incommensurate level of shame. This small portion of the RISP situations could indeed mean more fastballs for lamer hitters (Molina, Taguchi, Miles, et al) who don't merit situational relievers (LOOGys/ROOGys).

It's like the old psychology experiment where people are given a hundred dollars in a casino and told they can do what they want with it. Most people will gamble it even if they aren't inclined to gamble with their savings. Relief pitchers don't want to goated and would rather give up a hit than a walk, even though the results are the same.

by Red in Chicago on Feb 1, 2007 1:06 PM EST   0 recs

So?
For what it's worth, the one game I saw at Busch last year (vs. Houston) ended with So's extra-inning single up the middle. Eckstein gets hit by a pitch to load the bases and bring up Taguchi.  My girlfriend starts going nuts because she knows that Taguchi was like a .500 hitter (at this point) with the bases loaded... base hit, Cards win, and we get married three days later.  

I remember hearing So interviewed and saying that he knows he's going to get a fastball to hit with the bases loaded, knows they aren't going to pitch around him--seems to support the case for situational hitting.    

by bobeans on Feb 1, 2007 3:47 PM EST   0 recs

UT grad student
I'm a grad student at UT, also. Psych department. (Originally from St. Louis) Ended up having to watching world series in Houston. Ugh.
The Cards at night, are big and bright, deep in the heart of Texas

by texbird on Feb 1, 2007 4:17 PM EST   0 recs

Pujols
Going to the heart of 'what is clutch?' is when is an at-bat more important?  

Looking at Pujols, who has been a league leader in these stats the last 3 years:

I believe in 2006, as well, he had something like 26 game-winning RBIs for the team.

Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Feb 1, 2007 5:08 PM EST   0 recs

Well...
I guess the problem with game winning vs clutchiness is that Pujols could have hit many of these game winning rbi's in the 5th. To me this implies the overvalue of "clutch" when most games arent won in the bottom of the 9th with 2 outs.

by FunkeeC on Feb 1, 2007 5:37 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Exactly
As many have also said, which was more cluth: Eckstein's single, Edmonds walk or Pujols' HR?  They have yet to allow a player to hit a bases empty 3-run shot.
Walk your dog, not Pujols.

by Hardcore Legend on Feb 1, 2007 9:13 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Whatever
I think we all agree that that they were all very, very sweet. Leading up to and including one of the greatest moments in Cardinals history.

I love that the conclusive numbers run after nearly every stat possible just simply state: Pujols is great.

Cheers

by Alxfritz on Feb 2, 2007 2:05 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Mill James "clutch" stat
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/statpages/glossary/#clutch

""Clutch" is the name we've given to the portion of Bill James's Runs Created formula that includes the impact of a batter's batting average with runners in scoring position and the number of home runs with runners on. The specific formula is Hits with RISP minus overall BA times at bats with RISP, plus HR with runners on minus (all HR/AB) times at bats with runners on. This stat is not a definitive description of "clutch hitting," just one way of looking at it."

by gbaby on Feb 1, 2007 6:51 PM EST   0 recs

Seen on the ESPNews scroll.....
Mike Matheny has retired.  Which was expected, but I guess this makes it official.

I wish he could have gotten a ring with the Cards.

by Baseball addict on Feb 1, 2007 8:53 PM EST   0 recs

That's too bad.
He is a really friendly guy. I had the chance to get my photo w/ him after the 2004 NLCS.

One of the best days in my life - as a Cardinal fan.

by _pistol_ on Feb 1, 2007 9:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Snag him as a coach!
If he's interested he has the makeup to be an awesome coach - maybe the next Duncan in training?

by wildman on Feb 1, 2007 9:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

great quote from Matty Mo'
"As my catcher and as a person he just meant so much to me," said Giants pitcher Matt Morris, who also threw to Matheny in St. Louis. "On the field he taught me how to be a professional. Off the field he taught me to be a man and a respectful person. He's going to be sorely missed by everybody.

by _pistol_ on Feb 1, 2007 10:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

too bad
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-giants-mathenyretires&prov=ap&type=lgns
this is the link from BTF. thanks again for everything mikey. I'll still never connect with another team like I did the '02 TlR, MattyMo, and MikeMath Cards after DK57.

pouring one out...

by lookit55 on Feb 1, 2007 11:45 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

40 minutes?
I would take me 4 hours to put that together.  I am in awe.

by Zubin on Feb 2, 2007 12:29 AM EST   0 recs

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