capuano follow-up
in yesterday's post, houstoncardinal suggested that chris capuano might have been a victim of the brewers' terrible defense last year. the numbers back him up. here's a table summarizing the fielding values of the milwaukee infielders in 2007 (as measured in runs above/below average). the metrics are zone rating plus (ie, the chris dial / chone smith method); pinto's probabilistic model of range; john dewan's +/- system, aka the Fielding Bible (FB); and, where available, UZR:
| ZR+ | PMR | FB | UZR | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| fielder 1b | -10 | -3 | -11 | -9 |
| weeks 2b | -10 | -14 | -12 | n/a |
| hardy ss | -5 | 0 | +5 | n/a |
| braun 3b | -24 | -21 | -30 | n/a |
he'd be a lot better served by the cards' infield. they had gold glove-caliber players at both infield corners and an average defender at second; with ryan / izturis manning the shortstop position next year, they should be no worse than average there. a couple of caveats, though. first, capuano's not much of a groundball pitcher; his career ratio is about 1:1 (although he did have a slight groundball tendency last year). better infield defense surely won't hurt, but it won't help capuano as much as it would a more groundball-oriented pitcher; the cards' outfield defense is no better than the brewers' (and might be worse). second point: if scott rolen is part of the price to land capuano . . . . well, there goes one of the gold-glove defenders on which this line of thinking rests. but here are a couple of additional considerations: first, capuano's BABIP last year was a flukishly high .340, 34 points higher than his career average of .306; that number is likely to come down next year, bringing his run yield down along with it. and second, his strand rate last year was 68 percent, or 5 points lower than his career average (and on a par with anthony reyes'); if he reverts to the mean there, he ought to keep a few extra runs off the board. as HC pointed out, capuano's FIP last year was right in line w/ his FIPs from 2005-06, when he pitched very well; overall, there's a sound basis for the belief that this pitcher will bounce back next year.
he made $3.25m last year and is two years away from free agency. it'll be difficult to work out a deal with a division rival, and they probably won't succeed. but if he's the type of pitcher the cards are looking to trade for, i'm encouraged.
also re the trade front, heading into the winter meetings: don't forget about the giants. they are looking to deal, and they have arms to spare.
* * * * * * * * *
Baseball Prospectus did a Q+A with new pittsburgh gm neal huntington, who worked with chris antonetti in the cleveland front office. couple of highlights:The quick fixes that have been taken in the past --- that you see happen around the league with some teams --- are not something we'll be interested in here. Free agent signings that make a small, incremental difference in on-field performance don't have much of an impact on wins. Those decisions are decisions we need to try and avoid, especially when they come at the expense of money that could have been better utilized in player acquisition and development. If the extra pieces added could lead to two or three wins being added and are the difference between making the playoffs or not, that's a different scenario and that short-term move has long-reaching positive impact. That would be progress, so the expense would be justifiable. But if you're talking about potentially 78 wins instead of potentially 76, it is difficult to justify.
2008 ROSTER MATRIX
PRE-WINTER MEETINGS
| STARTING 8 | BENCH | ROTATION | PEN |
|---|---|---|---|
| molina c $1.2m |
spiezio ut $2.3m |
wainwright rhp $450K |
is'hausen rhp $8m |
| pujols 1b $16m |
schumaker of $400K |
looper rhp $5.5m |
franklin rhp $2.3m |
| kennedy 2b $3.5m |
ryan if $400K |
pineiro rhp $5m |
springer rhp $3.5m |
| rolen 3b $12m |
larue c $850K |
mulder lhp $6.5m |
flores lhp $1m |
| izturis ss $2.9m |
ludwick of $400K |
reyes rhp $400K |
johnson lhp $400K |
| duncan lf $450K |
miles if $1.2m |
carpenter rhp $10.5m |
wellemeyer rhp $900K |
| edmonds cf $8m |
barden if memphis |
hawksworth rhp memphis |
thompson rhp $450k |
| ankiel rf $1m |
encarnacion rf $6.5m |
parisi rhp memphis |
cavazos rhp memphis |
| TOTAL $45m |
TOTAL $10.8m |
TOTAL $28.4m |
TOTAL $16.5m |
| OVERALL | PAYROLL: | $100.7m |
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juan
by sportsman on Dec 3, 2007 9:04 AM EST 0 recs
the union won't and shouldn't allow it
by lboros on
Dec 3, 2007 9:07 AM EST
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pay cut
by sportsman on
Dec 3, 2007 9:15 AM EST
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it's still asking him to do the club a favor
besides, the cardinals are better served to get this burden off the books in 2008, a year when they're not likely going to win anything anyway, as opposed to having that burden on the books in future seasons that are potentially more fruitful.
by lboros on
Dec 3, 2007 9:21 AM EST
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enc.
I know it was an off-the-wall suggestion, but it may make a lot of sense in Juan's case.
by Eckstreem on
Dec 3, 2007 3:53 PM EST
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this is...
if juan wanted a situation like this, say $300,000 a year for 30 years (which would benefit him about $2.5 million over the long run); then i would be ok with it, but only if he was the one who wanted to do it that way
by bigcardsfan5 on
Dec 3, 2007 7:27 PM EST
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right, he should do whatever suits his purposes
but i think it's all a moot point --- the cards are gonna pay him his mnoney and get him off their books, and that will be that.
by lboros on
Dec 3, 2007 7:57 PM EST
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I assume...
by BigJawnMize on
Dec 3, 2007 9:22 AM EST
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i thought
those premiums are seriously steep. it might not be worth it for a three-year commitment with average dollars in juan's case.
by birdsonthebat on
Dec 3, 2007 10:04 AM EST
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re: insurance
by SmashedAtoms on
Dec 3, 2007 10:58 AM EST
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Strauss
No insurance.
by meat on
Dec 3, 2007 5:17 PM EST
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Juan has made $27 M in his career
by Hardcore Legend on
Dec 3, 2007 11:10 AM EST
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Right
by Ray Lankford on
Dec 3, 2007 11:27 AM EST
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here's the other thing i don't get, Hardcore
by lboros on
Dec 3, 2007 11:35 AM EST
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LB
by StLHugo on
Dec 3, 2007 11:49 AM EST
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it doesn't really matter
I feel for Juan's situation not having the quality of life that no human should lose but I wouldn't particulalry feel sorry for him if he got the remaining $6.5 M.
I believe, being a retired MLB player, when he reaches 60 years old, he'll start getting $200,00 a year in pension. He is also afforded health care for the rest of his life.
Correct me if I'm wrong on any of those.
it's not like they are NOT going to pay him. I feel terrible that the man will never be able to see again out of that eye but I won't fear his 2008 paycheck will be the difference between living comfortably or not.
by Hardcore Legend on
Dec 3, 2007 11:52 AM EST
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I'm not trying to pick a fight . . .
by Ray Lankford on
Dec 3, 2007 12:04 PM EST
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Hardcore's statement
When I was injured at Target and missed some days I got less than full salary.. it's the way its set up in alot of jobs like that...So I kinda see his point the difference between 3-6 mil isnt that great
however The cards should covere ALL medical expenses.
by punchinjudy on
Dec 3, 2007 12:49 PM EST
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I feel bad that he won't have his vision
by Hardcore Legend on
Dec 3, 2007 3:03 PM EST
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It's not that bad...
Don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy to lose sight in an eye. But it's not like he's going to have to walk aorund with a dog and cane.
by DiscoJer on
Dec 3, 2007 4:30 PM EST
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He won't get
I don't know what feeling sorry for him has anything to do with it, other than that's how you feel. Which is fine. Doesn't really change anything.
by plh903 on
Dec 3, 2007 12:13 PM EST
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OK, I don't
by plh903 on
Dec 3, 2007 12:19 PM EST
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Found this site:
"An agreement in 1968 set the requirements to receive a pension after five years. But the 1981 strike reduced that time frame to 43 days for a full pension and just one day for full medical benefits. But this change only impacted athletes who played after 1980, and resulted in a class-action lawsuit."
So he gets full pension.
by StLHugo on
Dec 3, 2007 1:31 PM EST
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Benefits.
by Eckstreem on
Dec 3, 2007 4:01 PM EST
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No matter
by cardsrul on
Dec 3, 2007 11:56 AM EST
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Juan
He should be paid in full and I agree with LB that you might as well pay him right away to get it off the books. It does not benefit you to draw it out.
I think Juan was frustrating at times but I think he was a solid ball player who put up good numbers by the end of the year no matter where he played. Heck he was about the 4th most productive player on the team last year. Maybe even better.
by ICbirdfan on
Dec 3, 2007 12:12 PM EST
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And who knows
by rockin redbird on
Dec 3, 2007 3:04 PM EST
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as in any other injury
The mil dollars issue from his contract wouldnt be going to medical bills neway so im not sure how that works...unless MLB is different and they have their players who get hurt pay for their bills but thatd be weird.
by punchinjudy on
Dec 3, 2007 4:42 PM EST
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True--
by rockin redbird on
Dec 3, 2007 5:34 PM EST
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great point
by punchinjudy on
Dec 3, 2007 6:25 PM EST
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MGL had
Braun would certainly be the worst, if he qualified. Even using zero UZR to make up the games he "missed" he is still probably the worst. That is a shame since he is such a good hitter, and his poor defense takes most (75% or so) of his hitting value away.
Yikes.
As far as Capuano goes, it might be misinterpreted that he'll doubly save runs by both lowering his LOB% and his BABIP, when those things are essentially the same thing, I believe. A couple of fluke hits advance that lead runner who never would've scored otherwise.
by plh903 on Dec 3, 2007 9:08 AM EST 0 recs
Wow
by BigJawnMize on
Dec 3, 2007 2:56 PM EST
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lol wowzers
by rocKStark5 on
Dec 3, 2007 8:24 PM EST
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ok, help me out
I see: (ryan braun@THT)
BIZ Plays RZR OOZ
225 127 .564 21
(also, THT says 95 RC... interesting discrepancy!)
what calculations did you do to get 31.2? Or is there a different data source?
by SleepyCA on
Dec 3, 2007 9:55 PM EST
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The
As for the THT to Runs a cat over at a reds blog (awesome overall blog btw) came up with a formula to convert the THT stats into runs.
by rocKStark5 on
Dec 3, 2007 10:25 PM EST
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Heh
by plh903 on
Dec 4, 2007 1:54 AM EST
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Depth
Sheets
Gallardo
Suppan
Villaneuva
Bush/Parra
Odd men out: Varga & Cappy.
There was even talk of DFA'n Bush. I have always drooled over him.
by RedbirdRay on Dec 3, 2007 9:10 AM EST 0 recs
Vargas
by RedbirdRay on
Dec 3, 2007 9:12 AM EST
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if they DFA Bush
Anyway Dave Pinto's PMR tool provides more evidence to support the claim that MIL's awful defense was a cause of Capuano's bad luck. Only 7 pitchers in MLB had worse defense behind them than Capuano; he had 11 plays not made that should have been, and the only MIL player with a significantly good "luck" is Gallardo, an extreme fly ball pitcher. Comparing our rotation vs MIL's in '07:
STL
Braden Looper +15.7
Anthony Reyes +7
Brad Thompson -1.45
Adam Wainwright -6.57
Kip Wells -18.5 (2nd worst, overall! No '06 data, +12 in '05 w/PIT)
MIL:
David Bush -17.87 (5th worst, down from +17 in '06, no data '05)
Chris Capuano -10.78 (8th worst, down from +14 in '06 and +8.5 in '05)
Jeff Suppan -10.96 (19th worst, and dropped from +15 with STL in '06, +2.76 in '05)
Claude Vargas -2.02
Ben Sheets +0.26 (down from +6.74 in '06, no data '05)
C. Villanueva +0.74
Yo. Gallardo +6.33
If you're believer that pitchers can't control the field-ability of balls hit off of them, both Bush and Capuano (and kip wells) could all be guys likely to bounce back. At the very least you have top keep in mind that there seem to be extreme variations in these numbers from year to year. However, seeing Kip Wells at the bottom of the list makes me wary about coming to the conclusion that high negative numbers on this metric are an indication of bad luck; I remember seeing him get hit very hard.
Still, it's something to think about ;)
by SleepyCA on
Dec 3, 2007 3:23 PM EST
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kip wells
by birdsonthebat on
Dec 3, 2007 5:17 PM EST
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sadly
However, having played baseball many years as a youngster, and watched a lot more of it ever since, I firmly believe that when a pitcher goes mental on ya, it tends to hurt.
And if I am drinking cool-aid on this, so are virtually every broadcaster I've ever heard, or sportswriter I've ever read.
A myth, then? I don't think so.
And I agree that Wells, last year, sometimes got into an "earth to Kip" brown jug.
by the Tewk on
Dec 3, 2007 9:26 PM EST
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vargas and bush
by cm1000 on Dec 3, 2007 9:19 AM EST 0 recs
is mo the lone ranger
capuano was a good pitcher
when joel piniero was a goof pitcher
when cesar izturis was a good shortstop
.......
tough job when it really boils down to be an alchemist and turn lead into gold as the only way to make the team competitive.
by sportsman on Dec 3, 2007 9:20 AM EST 0 recs
Lead
Also, few assume Mo is really trying to be competitive this year.
Was the lone ranger an alchemist?
by RedbirdRay on
Dec 3, 2007 9:42 AM EST
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I'll take the one step further
by redbirdnation8206 on
Dec 3, 2007 6:59 PM EST
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all I remember
Tonto replied, "what's this "we" sh*t, whiteman?"
* congradulations, Mo, welcome to your new job.
by the Tewk on
Dec 3, 2007 9:35 PM EST
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Not that it makes any difference
by 26thMan on Dec 3, 2007 10:06 AM EST 0 recs
I was about to point that out.
by Phyrkrakr on
Dec 3, 2007 4:20 PM EST
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Capauno
by maurerdj on Dec 3, 2007 10:10 AM EST 0 recs
Miller
Im with Lboros. Capuano is the type of guy I would like to get but can't see trading with the Brew Crew. He is a legitimate #3 starter in the NL Central. That says something.
Melvin is a very good GM who has made some great trades---I am nervous dealing with him.
by beanocook on
Dec 3, 2007 10:49 AM EST
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What makes me gitty...
by cardsphan04 on Dec 3, 2007 11:01 AM EST 0 recs
giddy
by Hardcore Legend on
Dec 3, 2007 11:06 AM EST
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C.C Sabathia
Anyone left will be a risky guy to sign. Peavy, C.C, Santana will all be taken care of. Lackey will probably get an extension or go to a team not named STL. I think the Cards will only get a legit #1 or #2 by trading, but they don't have much to trade. I honestly think Anderson is going to have to be traded to get a "good" pitcher. Not a Derek Lowe type guy who will be like 37 and in decline mode. I don't want to see Derek Lowe or John Smoltz. The Cardinals will need a younger legit #1 or #2 type pitcher.
by ICbirdfan on
Dec 3, 2007 11:41 AM EST
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CC...
CC is going to make it to free agency.
Don't forget about Sheets, Penny, or Burnett.
Some of these guys are going to make it, and the Cards are gonna have the coin.
by bobbyballgame1 on
Dec 3, 2007 3:14 PM EST
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unimpressed
I always think Burnett (older than Penny & Sheets, thought he was younger than he is), and Sheets are going to be risky as they are always hurt. Penny is more durable than those two but I thought he just had an elbow problem that knocked him out in the 2006 season??
STL will have $$ but that does not mean they will spend it nor should they if a guy is damaged goods. I think it may be STL's best bet to trade for a pitcher.
by ICbirdfan on
Dec 3, 2007 3:27 PM EST
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Best Interest...
I'd much rather give up the money and a draft pick then give up our best young players and the money.
Hell, we could quite possibly be bad enough that our first rounder would be protected anyway.
by bobbyballgame1 on
Dec 3, 2007 4:10 PM EST
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Another point...
Hell, how many are better period?
by bobbyballgame1 on
Dec 3, 2007 4:11 PM EST
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true
I don't know it will not be easy to get a FA pitcher. I am not too optimistic, unless the Cardinals actually throw some $$ out there meaning they will have to out bid someone by $5 million or so.
by ICbirdfan on
Dec 3, 2007 4:15 PM EST
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Outbid?
My point is, the money will be there to pay the going rate and a couple of these legitimate top o the rotation starters will be available. Which is exactly why they shouldn't be commiting multi-year deals to mediocre players. They've done a pretty good job of that so far, save Pineiro.
by bobbyballgame1 on
Dec 3, 2007 5:34 PM EST
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Based
Just saying it may take a bit more to reel em in! Like Hunter was ready to sign with the Sox until the Angels offered $80 mill opposed to the Sox $75 million.
Generally you get FA by paying more than the "market value", the goal is to not blow away the "market value" like the Cubs did with Alfonso Sorriano.
by ICbirdfan on
Dec 3, 2007 5:43 PM EST
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Well...
I still don't see why they would have to outbid other teams by 5M annually, but I see your point.
If they aren't willing to pony up the money one of these guys will command...they'll be playing somewhere else.
by bobbyballgame1 on
Dec 3, 2007 7:10 PM EST
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5M
I would like to see STL actually reel in that FA talent, instead of reading about how we just missed out.
by ICbirdfan on
Dec 3, 2007 9:58 PM EST
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The insanity that we felt the need
It's like, we had every reason not to sign him and yet, we did.
by Hardcore Legend on Dec 3, 2007 11:04 AM EST 0 recs
Isn't that speculation?
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Dec 3, 2007 1:53 PM EST
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