So long Jimmy Baseball

This was already in the hot stove thread!!!

Sorry, I had to be that guy :P

What a terrible trade. Nothing against Freese, I knew him in High School, he's a good kid, and not a bad ball player, but i'd of rather kept Edmonds.

Bad move by Mo in my opinion. This just free's up salary we aren't going to spend.

Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Dec 14, 2007 10:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Talk about a lot to live up to

How much grief will he get from the old crew back home for being traded for Jimmy Freakin' Ballgame.

Surprisingly, no. I'm free, I'm unfettered.

by liam on Dec 14, 2007 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah,

but I figured moving one of the greatest center fielders in the history of the franchise for "some dude" was probably diary worthy.

Glad they did it after all of the center fielders on the market were already signed! It's not that I disagree with a lot of Moz's signings/trades, but his timing is simply fuckawful.

I will be in briefs.

by Alxfritz on Dec 14, 2007 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well

At least there is no chance of signing Aaron Rowand. Gotta be happy about that...

Christmas lights are an extremely efficient method for converting Christmas Spirit into heat. -anon

by SleepyCA on Dec 14, 2007 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

we're just swapping cfr's (in a round about way) and we'll end up with Cameron.

Other mysteries remain. TL

by BKKCard on Dec 14, 2007 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Very Sad...

Thanks for a lot Jimmy.
I'll miss ya.

by davethebutcher on Dec 14, 2007 11:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I (think) I agree

my in and out of divorce court marathon with Jimbo is finally over. The old girl finally died.

So many things on the plus side over the seven years... amazing catches in CF; some memorable clutch hitting; those weeks where he would go on a tear and carry the team.
But there was also his stubborn batting stance with his coast to coast leg spread, just BEGGING a smart pitcher to ring him up. All the more annoying when you saw some of those odd 'waves' at strike three, as if he was in a training film about how to distract the catcher when a runner was trying to steal second.

His hot-dogism vs. the teams crying need (under the Ayatollah LaRussa) for some kind of personality.

Oh yes, Jimbo... one eye cries and the other one twinkles, but I certainly WILL miss ya.

by the Tewk on Dec 15, 2007 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Food for thought:

Will Rasmus get a legit look at center in spring training? He performed roughly as well as Pence did in AA in 2006, and the Stros were foolish not to have Pence start 07 in the show.

Makes the offseason a bit more depressing, but could make spring training much more interesting.

I will be in briefs.

by Alxfritz on Dec 14, 2007 11:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

He'll have competition

Barton and Rasmus both making the jump from AA? We've got more to lose by rushing Rasmus along, though.

Surprisingly, no. I'm free, I'm unfettered.

by liam on Dec 14, 2007 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But

his name has the perfect amount of syllables for a chant, thus replacing the "Jim-my Ed-monds -- clap clap clapclapclap" with a "Col-by Ras-mus -- clap clap clapclapclap"

Sometimes its about the intangibles, Liam.

I will be in briefs.

by Alxfritz on Dec 14, 2007 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Shenanigans

You look at the Cardinals with too much of a subjective bias.

Surprisingly, no. I'm free, I'm unfettered.

by liam on Dec 14, 2007 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

shenanigans

yeah sorry about that. i had just watched my friend try to fight a cop after being thrown out of a bar. so that coupled with around 15 beers didnt really help. not too sure why i was on here anyway.

by mizzou on Dec 14, 2007 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Heh

Sounds like you had a more interesting night than I did.

I need to get out of the house and put away about that many to mourn the end of the Jim Edmonds Era.

Surprisingly, no. I'm free, I'm unfettered.

by liam on Dec 15, 2007 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Another morsel:

Joe Mather? We could have a terrifying LF platoon between him and Duncan.

Surprisingly, no. I'm free, I'm unfettered.

by liam on Dec 14, 2007 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And

Ankiel could play center...

It's official: I'm excited to watch our not quite average team figure it all out in spring training!

I will be in briefs.

by Alxfritz on Dec 14, 2007 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

not likely

With a big enough spring anything's possible, but it makes too much sense to let him get his feet wet in AAA, hold off till May to bring him up, and push his eligibility for free agency back a year.

by montalban on Dec 15, 2007 12:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

At least $1M cash

Per this update.

And copy-pasting from the other thread:

Sickels has him rated C+, saying:
Other C+ guys include Drew Cumberland, Luis Durango, Drew Freese, Danny Payne, Nick Schmidt, and very good LOOGY Joe Thatcher. All interchangeable with the C+ guys above.
So I suppose he's either the 10th best prospect in the Padres system or the 26th, depending on your mood. He looks like a pretty good prospect, but I didn't realize there was such a rush to get rid of Jimmy Ballgame.

Surprisingly, no. I'm free, I'm unfettered.

by liam on Dec 14, 2007 11:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

He seems like...

a slightly older Allen Craig (although i'm not sure how old Craig is so i may be way off) with better defense.

Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Dec 14, 2007 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Completely depressed

Cards weren't going to win in 08 anyway. Would have been nice to give Jimmy Baseball a proper send off.

I'll be rooting for him on the Pads. I hope he comes back.

by bretsyboo on Dec 14, 2007 11:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah,

this makes me pretty upset. It would've been different if he had a few years left, but I felt like he signed that two year deal hoping to retire as a Cardinal, and for what he's done for us, it would've been right to do that for him. Sure, he said he'd accept San Diego, but it feels very wrong, and I'm sure he would've rather stayed.

This deal better be worth it in the end.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Dec 15, 2007 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

seriously

i was looking forward to seeing him that last couple times in a cardinals uniform, and now we get some freakin 25 year old double AA player.

Sad, sad way to end the glorious jimmy edmonds era.

by PolancoMcEwing on Dec 15, 2007 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

MV2

If they end up dealing Rolen (and I now have no doubt they were trying their damnest) this team sure is starting to look a lot different and I'm wondering what strange part of the night ocean we're swimming out to.

Other mysteries remain. TL

by BKKCard on Dec 14, 2007 11:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Dude

Your imagery -- what strange part of the night ocean we're swimming out to -- is arresting. If it is a quote or an allusion I did not recognize it, so I googled it. Your VEB entry came up as the 12th result. (If that's your own image, well done.)

by Youneverknow on Dec 15, 2007 3:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No reason to be sad!

Well just got done watching Its a Wonderful Life So i`m in a good mood now I hear we traded Jimmy.. Well congrats JED you had a great Cardinal career!

by Calhoun on Dec 14, 2007 11:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Gave him away

It seems they pretty much just handed him to the Pads on a silver platter. A guy who is going to be 24 next year doesn't excite me too much, unless they just pulled some ginormous coup. Freese's numbers in A-Ball aren't exactly astonishing.

Edmonds has been a great player for the Cardinals. From 00-05 it is not a stretch to say he was one of the top 3 center fielders in baseball. I hope he finishes off his career with one more year in the sun, as they say.

Its my hope that this means Rasmus and/or Barton are going into 08 with the inside track to the starting job. I think Skippy as the starter is a scary proposition. Then again, maybe Mo has a trick up his sleeve on this one...Or maybe the Cardinals baseball wheel-O-rama came up with "TRADE EDMONDS."

by redbirdnation8206 on Dec 14, 2007 11:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

batting first

watch out for the skippster batting leadoff with the others platooning in left and right. maybe barton can do better in the spring, but i doubt his limited experience will allow that decision form the coaching staff. alternatively, will they pay more than sd for cameron, seems improbable.

by sportsman on Dec 14, 2007 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He'll be 25 next year

Born 1983 in April, which will make him 25 next year.

He's from St. Louis, though. I guess that's why the Cardinals got him.

by DiscoJer on Dec 15, 2007 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Freese was borned 4/28/83

That makes him 25 next April. A little long in the tooth for a class A player, but I'm sure the Cards had some other selections so maybe they know something they like about him. Also maybe they now think Rasmus is ready and I've got a sneaky suspicion he is after seeing him on the USA team. I hate to see Edmunds go though. I scanned th Padres site and the seemed just as depressed about getting Edmunds as we are about seeing him go..go figure.

by ridgesee on Dec 15, 2007 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Edmonds trade

Seems like we have a log-jam at 3B in the high minors: just resigned Rico Washington and both Craig and Freese considered independently, should start the year at AA. Maybe Craig becomes expendable in a trade?

by vances law on Dec 15, 2007 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thank you jim edmonds

for two of the three greatest moments in my young cardinal life, coming in consecutive nights.

does this make pujols the longest tenured cardinal now?

Albert Pujols stole my 1998 Ford Taurus.

by stlcardinalsfang on Dec 14, 2007 11:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Second that

Looked for video of that, but found hokey tribute stills instead.

And it would make Pujols the longest tenured active Cardinal. (Not counting managers and coaches)

Surprisingly, no. I'm free, I'm unfettered.

by liam on Dec 14, 2007 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wanna talk about a guy who deserves more than this

there goes my favorite cardinal, I wish him the best with the pads (jimmy in camo???!)....better change my name

by jimmyballgame on Dec 14, 2007 11:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

No need to change your name.

I'm not planning on changing mine. Jimmy is a great Cardinal who had a great career here. It is perfectly acceptable to keep your name in homage.

Jimmy steps in to lead off the bottom half of the inning... with nobody on base... It could happen... just not tonight.

by Hollywood15 on Dec 15, 2007 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

colbyballgame

looks pretty good though...

Christmas lights are an extremely efficient method for converting Christmas Spirit into heat. -anon

by SleepyCA on Dec 15, 2007 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hats off to you, Jimmy

You were a true badass both in the field and at the plate. Thanks for the attitude, thanks for the Gold Gloves, thanks for the walk off HR in the 2004 NLCS and the catch in Game 7 of the same series, thanks for the HR robbing catches, and most of all, thanks for finally bringing home the title in 2006.

Thanks for everything.

The hot stove is burning...

by cardzfan24 on Dec 14, 2007 11:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Tip of the cap

Video... Right back atcha.

Surprisingly, no. I'm free, I'm unfettered.

by liam on Dec 14, 2007 11:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

David Freese

Here's a video of him singling.

Nice to hear the crack of the bat.

Surprisingly, no. I'm free, I'm unfettered.

by liam on Dec 14, 2007 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Good lord

how did you find that. Youtube seems to have something about everything.

by ridgesee on Dec 15, 2007 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

jed

mystifying to me if all we get is a third baseman in A-ball AND we're paying part of jed's salary. better economics to just cut kennedy and get eck or someone with good on-base skills to play second. maybe jed wanted out, but this doesn't make much sense to me as reported. rick better hit like snot or they are willing to now go after cameron themselves, but the $ conflict with the pads doesn't bode well for that 'exchange". the famous ex-football coach's quote goes "we may be small, but we're slow", seems getting more applicable by the day

by sportsman on Dec 14, 2007 11:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

A 2B with On base skills

Someone like Jarrett Hoffpauir.

I'd be thoroughly annoyed if we signed Cameron. Much rather get the youth movement underway and see what Barton, Ankiel, Mather can do to MLB pitching day-in, day-out.

Our oldest position player is now Scott Spiezio at 35. Oldest regular is Rolen at 33.

Cameron will be 35 and he'd block the kids.

Surprisingly, no. I'm free, I'm unfettered.

by liam on Dec 14, 2007 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes..

Yes, no Cameron here! Not now.

Trade for Sean Rodriguez! (But please dont call him S-Rod!)

by cardschinmusic on Dec 15, 2007 4:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sad.

He deserved a proper sendoff.

JE was one of the greatest centerfielders off all time; yeah-- he's washed up, but he will still be missed.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 14, 2007 11:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

it was a great ride, but

he's been a shell of himself for some time now..he has been continually nagged by injuries..I luv the guy but thought his deal when signed was too much more of a thank you than a real deal..and i was in the minority..Wish they could have got more than what they did but lets face it..he started 103 games and hit 252 and hit in 53...But for th epads the cards eat some of that so not too bad if he can rebound.

I can't believe i gave up a homerun to that punchinjudy hitter-major league 2

by punchinjudy on Dec 14, 2007 11:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

chipper up....

Hes going home to the sunshine and ocean with a ring on his finger, gonna hang with Black, the Hoffman(s), Joiner on the beach and on the course on off days and in the dugout (never mind that TLR wont be there), make 8 million more, smile and celebrate what might be his last tour of the bigs as one of the greatest ambassadors of CF ever. That doesnt suck too much, does it? Hes still in his 30s, healthy at the moment, making millions, getting ready to bat somewhere adjacent to Gonzalez and Greene.

Meanwhile, I'm crushed and looking at the schedule for the Pads to come to town....mid July??

Trade for Sean Rodriguez! (But please dont call him S-Rod!)

by cardschinmusic on Dec 15, 2007 4:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sniff

I did not see that coming.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Dec 15, 2007 12:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

more $$$

according to PD, we pay more than $1M to pads

by sportsman on Dec 15, 2007 12:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I'd like to say "Peace" to Jim Edmonds

You will be missed greatly, Big Fella. I hope to catch the first SDP game at Busch in 2008 so I can help give you a proper sendoff.

by 26thMan on Dec 15, 2007 12:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

this is like a freaking nightmare

the two things i was looking forward to this season were:

seeing jimmy retire as a cardinal
the debut of colby rasmus

now, i wont get to see my favorite player retire as a cardinal....still in total shock

waiting for the 2009 season to begin

by cards4life on Dec 15, 2007 12:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

If we're gonna finish in last place

with a crappy team, we might as well get to see #15 get a sendoff. His number better be retired.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Really???

I love Jimmy, but I don't think he's a retired number guy.

by Big Head on Dec 15, 2007 12:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You're talking about one of the 15-20 best

centerfielders in baseball history. More than deserving.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I have been watching centerfielders

for over 50 years and I would rate Edmunds in the top 5...and I have a tendency to lean toward the older guys, but Edmunds could turn his back and go after a ball and pick it up as good as anybody. the only person that could be his equal is Willie Mays and he was no better than Edmunds.

by ridgesee on Dec 15, 2007 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Edmonds was always overrated on defense

and terribly underrated with the bat.

He's comparable to Duke Snider, although probably no quite as good as him.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Snider

in no way compared to Edmunds. Snider was smooth and ranked above league average but he was never rated as good as Ritchie Ashburn, Dom Di Maggio, Jimmy Piersal, or Mantle or Mays who played in his time. Snider was never considered more a competent outfielder. In fact Carl Furillo was a better outfielder with more speed on the same team, but played right because Snider played center better than right.

by ridgesee on Dec 15, 2007 12:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm talking about

the sum of the parts

-Offense
-Defense
-Everything in between

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Snider did not

have more than average speed. Struck out a lot, was not a clutch hitter. Could hit the long ball on mistake pitches but Robinson, Campanella, Reese and Furillo were were the backbone of those Dodger power teams and Snider and Hodges did provide good power but could be pitched too. I'm sorry but you just brought up a name of a player that used to irritate me to no end. Saw and listened to lot of Dodger Cardinal games and didn't mind Snider or Hodges coming up with men on, chances are you would get them to pop up or strike out, but the rest of that lineup would kill you. Good thing the Cards had Musial, he almost handled them single handed.

by ridgesee on Dec 15, 2007 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Snider

was better with men on than his career averages. The OPS difference was mainly OBP which is understandable, but he hit for a higher average and slugged a few points higher.

He also is offensively similar to Edmonds. 140 career OPS+ and a five-year run of dominance. I'm willing to accept that he's not the defender Jimmy was. I'm too young to have seen him play, and don't know of anything that anecdotally supports elite defense.

by plh903 on Dec 15, 2007 3:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

snider moment

my recollections of snider are that he was a clutch player with the bat. still remember watching cards-dodgers at sportsman's park and snider beat the cards that night by hitting a ball off the clock (on a tower) in center field.

by sportsman on Dec 15, 2007 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think I remember that game

and as I said Snider Did have some good years later after Dodgers moved to LA (and that game was after they were in LA) and he was the only one left from the old Brooklyn team, and not to say he didn't have his moments, he did. I just never thought he was as good as his stats. but I might as well concede, done got 3 against me. I am glad I picked up someone that actually saw him though. I value your contribution.

by ridgesee on Dec 15, 2007 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This is where studying stats can be misleading

Snider was the kind of hitter that would go 3 for 4, 4 for 4 in games where the whole team was hitting and would win 12 to 2 9 to 3. but did not produce much against good pitching. Struck out a lot and in general was not a clutch hitter. Also was a streaky hitter, prone to streaks of popping up to right field a lot like Rolen did last year.In fact, Snider was Booed at lot in Brooklyn by the fans. On the other end of the spectrum, Furillo (whom I always admired) if you study his stats, they will not look as good as Snider, but he was steady, got key hits in clutch situations and in general was not a hitter that a pitcher wanted to face in a tough situation. Same for Campanella and Robinson. Now to Snider's credit, he was one of the younger of the Brooklyn Dodgers and did have a couple of good years after the team moved to LA. I have never looked at Edmunds as being and extremely clutch hitter but he is definitely better than Snider. Haven't you watched baseball long enough to see for your own eyes to see that stats do not give give a complete picture of a players value.

by ridgesee on Dec 15, 2007 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You probably hate Alex Rodriguez too.

For example Duke Snider in 1957:

Tie game: .254/.388/.521
Within 1 run: .292/.393/.639
Within 2 runs: .285/.382/.610
Close and Late: .304/.354/.674
within > 4 runs: .212/.368/.452

That was his last big year, his clutch stats from 1958 (where his overall line was far less impressive), are even better.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=snidedu01&year=1957

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No, I don't hat e Arod

at all and I a respect your stats..but if you study them closely by what the pitching was in the league at the time you can see some of the points I was trying to make. You can see that milwauke and Philadelphia handled him really well. That is because Milwauke had Spahn, Burdette, and Buhl. Philadelphia handled him good because they had Roberts and Simmons. The Giants and Cardinals handled him fairly good to a lesser degree because Giants at least Maglee and Cards Had Staley, both of whom I know he could't hit. Now neither the Giants or Cards had deep staffs at that time with some below average starters and like I said to begin with Snider had a reputation of living off bad pitching, and I saw him enough and kept up enough through radio and box scores to know that was true. He never hit well against the Cards better starters. Also note that he raked Chicago and Pittsburgs pitching and they were the doormats of the league at the time. In looking further at the stats you presented, he seemed to hit less against Cincy than anyone else and I can't remember why that would be. I know they weren't very good in those years but must have had some guys that pitched him good, I know they had Nuxhall. Don't remember who else. Actually I don't dislike Duke Snider, Arod or anybody else. I have seen Snider get a few big hits. All major league good hitters do, but there are good hitters and there are better good hitters if you can follow me. And it is hard by strictly stats to glean the difference. But when the statement was made at the time when Edmunds was being celebrated for his accomplishments with the Cards "That he was overated for his defense and compared to Duke Snider overall, but maybe a little lower." Then I knew it had to be made by some that had not lived long enough see Snider play and was probably from some computer annalsys. I will say this in closing. As good as Arod is: in a game on line situation, I'm not so sure I wouldn't rather have Pojols and I don't know off hand how their stats compare. Ballplayers are humans not robots and are better examined by Humans and not computer stats.

by ridgesee on Dec 15, 2007 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

correction

I meant nobody could turn his back on a ball better than Edmunds. Over all Mays and Paul Blair might have been better.

by ridgesee on Dec 15, 2007 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Probably so

But this is a club that still hasn't retired the number of one its most beloved folk heroes. Retire No. 15 you want, but retire its inverse first.

by 26thMan on Dec 15, 2007 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

while we're at it

(I always like getting a chance to throw this out)... the best defensive CF I have ever seen is Steve Finley.
His route-taking genius, overall intelligence and steady, uncomparable dependability.

Jimbo was VERY much like him (and certainly the better offensive player of the two)

by the Tewk on Dec 15, 2007 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

if he had been fully healthy

in 2006 and 2007, and had stayed with the club another year or two, or if we had won the world series more than once in his tenure I could see it. IMO a guy needs to be a hall of famer and wear your hat into the HOF or lead a dynasty (which 2000-2006 just missed being) to get his number retired.

Christmas lights are an extremely efficient method for converting Christmas Spirit into heat. -anon

by SleepyCA on Dec 15, 2007 12:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The HOF isn't relavent

Jim Edmonds is one of the all time greatest players in Cardinal history, and one of the greatest centerfielders in the history of the sport. He put up several MVP type seasons, and was the dominate player at his position during that stretch. Not only that, he won a championship here and was a team leader.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hmmm...

If the 2000-2006 Cards cant be called a dynasty in todays game, I'm not sure what can.

I think the Cards should retire 15 once Jim retires (I also think they should retire 51 yesterday), not just for the way he played the game and how well he played it, but also for the other stuff: The tip of the cap before every game, taking over the "Larry Walker Leadership Role" and giving out game balls during the '06 postseason run, never missing an interview, opening a restaurant... just being (as cheesy as it sounds) a part of Cardinal nation.

I will be in briefs.

by Alxfritz on Dec 15, 2007 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I completely agree

I think his clubhouse leadership will be missed...
This is pretty sucktacular...

Thanks Jimmy for many "I can't believe he caught that" moments... and some pretty sweet dingers...

When cheese gets its picture taken, what does it say?

by RosevilleRedbird on Dec 15, 2007 1:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

HOF assessment from 2004

Here's a link to Brian Gunn's HOF assessment for Edmonds, circa 2004, from his old Redbird Nation site.

http://redbirdnation.blogspot.com/2004_08_01_redbirdnation_archive.html#109203633060194317

Besides the Game 7, 2004 NLCS catch, I'll most remember him as the clubhouse leader in October 2006 when AP, the walking wounded, some castoffs, and a relief corp from nowhere did the improbable.

by ncgostl on Dec 15, 2007 7:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If the page doesn't load in the right spot....

Look for the Monday August 9, 2004 post

by ncgostl on Dec 15, 2007 8:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for everything Jimmy

Best of luck in San Diego.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Dec 15, 2007 12:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

What's the tat??

Last picture, right wrist. I can't make out what the tattoo says.

by Big Head on Dec 15, 2007 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

DK57?

A tribute to D. Kile I think.

by chicagocardfan on Dec 15, 2007 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ahhh, I see it now

Thanks. Buddy of mine has a tat there. Bled like crazy!

by Big Head on Dec 15, 2007 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

"DK 57"

he now has one above that that says "JH 32"

I will be in briefs.

by Alxfritz on Dec 15, 2007 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It looks like

#15 and a Redbird.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's like a Cardinal ink blot test...

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

tattoo

when i first saw that tat, it brought tears to my eyes; only edmonds, as far as i know, has anything like that

edmonds will be sorely missed; can he be replaced? sure, but it will still hurt to know he wont be around

if they dont spend any money on a rh/sh outfielder, and just make do with the of they have; should they spend the excess on pitching?

at this point we arent really sure as to the extent of the excess, ranges i have heard are from 6 to 12 mil

what can be bought for that type of cash? well, you might find a fair outfielder, or with a backloaded deal, a starting pitcher

some pitchers available lohse, silva, colon, fogg or weaver; with the first two, you would have the money for the first of about 5 installments; with the third, he is coming off two very injury plagued seasons; pitcher 4 is fogg, who is both an injury risk, and may cost quite a bit; weaver on the other hand, has basically sucked for 3 seasons (except for about 8 weeks in stl in 06), he shouldnt cost much, for a short period, with a lot of incentives, he may be the best bet

Pujols is the greatest Cardinal in my lifetime.

by bigcardsfan5 on Dec 15, 2007 3:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I like this move

That said, it will be very strange to see Jimmy playing in anything other than a Cardinals uniform. Best of luck to Jim. Here's hoping Freese pans out in a few years! Bravo Mozeliak for finally doing something that really demonstrates a movement toward youth.

I'll miss Jimmy, though. My Edmonds jersey is now defunct...I'll probably wear it to Busch in his memory.

by mojowo11 on Dec 15, 2007 12:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Save it

it will be a good throwback uni in a few years.

I will be in briefs.

by Alxfritz on Dec 15, 2007 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

rolen jersey

i have a rolen jersey that is likely to be useless soon too.

by indakind on Dec 15, 2007 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I'm

the opposite. I don't own an Edmonds jersey, but I'm going to get one now.

by plh903 on Dec 15, 2007 3:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Edmunds for a 25 year old

class A prospect can hardly be seen as much of a movement toward youth.

by ridgesee on Dec 15, 2007 12:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

Edmonds is, what, 37? 38? I think a 12-13 year age difference constitutes a movement toward youth.

by mojowo11 on Dec 15, 2007 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

...and he's a prospect at 3rd!

Hes definitely earned a trip to AA or may jump in half a season? Kid can hit some and draws walks. See you in Springfield?

Freese says his favorite player is Scotty Rolen! Hmmmmm......

2005: Led the South Alabama Jags with a .373 batting average and hits with 81. Started 56 games all at third base. Scored 52 runs and swatted six home runs. Slugged .525 which was third on the team.

Meramec CC: In 46 games played at Meramec (Mo.) Community College during the 2004 season, he hit .396 with 41 RBI's, and 10 home runs... Was named to the NJCAA All-America second team as a sophomore.

Lafayette High School: Lettered in baseball all four years at Lafayette High School in Ballwin, Mo. Was named to the first team All-Conference, All-Metro, and All-State as a senior.. Currently ranks second at his high school for career runs scored with 76 and second in hits in a season with 45 in 24 games.

Full name is David Richard Freese. Favorite baseball player is Scott Rolen, and the St. Louis Cardinals are his favorite professional sports team.

Trade for Sean Rodriguez! (But please dont call him S-Rod!)

by cardschinmusic on Dec 15, 2007 4:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is there any chance...

That we'll see Rasmus as our opening day CFer? Or is it more likely that we'll see some combination of Barton/Ankiel?

Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Dec 15, 2007 12:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

We have enough outfielders

Who can play center to not need to acquire anyone else. Barton, Ankiel, and Schumaker can all play center, Ludwick could probably handle it too.

That being said, I wouldn't be shocked if we signed Mike Cameron.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Dec 15, 2007 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i honestly think that

ludwick is now our best defensive outfielder...

certainly has the best instincts out there.. if our roster stands as it is now, ludwick better start 130+ games...

god thats depressing to say

by mybirds3 on Dec 15, 2007 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ludwick

Probably has a better arm than Skip, but I'd still say Skip is few steps better defensively.

We should combine outfielders Frankenstein style. Ankiel's arm, Duncan's power, Skip's defense, Barton's speed, and Ludwick's instincts.

Regardless of which spot he plays, I really don't mind Ludwick playing 130+ games. In the time he played last season he was pretty damn good.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Dec 15, 2007 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You may get your wish

From Strauss' article on the trade:

The move, hinted at earlier this month when sources confirmed that Edmonds had agreed to relinquish his no-trade leverage if dealt to a Southern California team, suggests the Cardinals have accelerated their move to greater payroll flexibility. Leading prospect Colby Rasmus will receive the opportunity to jump next spring from Double-A to Edmonds' vacated position.

youneverknow

by meat on Dec 15, 2007 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sweet

We're getting younger, arguably better, and freeing up some cash. I'm getting excited. Is there a big free agent signing in the not-too-distant future?

(Oh, DeWitt is still at the helm? The scrooge? Oh, he's just looking to dump payroll in time for Christmas? Lil' DeWitt needs a new Land Rover? Oh.)

by udcardinals on Dec 15, 2007 12:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

As soul crushing as this move is to me

this is a good baseball move.

I always thought he should move out of center to a corner where there would be less wear and tear on his body. There's a decent chance he could be a contributor in a platoon role.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He'll be CF in San Diego

Replaces Mike Cameron.

by Big Head on Dec 15, 2007 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I'm feeling a bit better about this knowing that Edmonds is willing to go, and that he gets to play near home.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sad to see Jimmy go ...

I know Mo didn't give him the two-year deal, but why would ownership sign Jimmy for two years last offseason with the intention of him retiring a Cardinal? It doesn't make sense.

I'm going to miss watching Jimmy play center. Sure he dogged it on some plays to make a great running catch, but watching his play was amazing. Seeing him play center was like seeing Ozzie play short -- I don't know if I'll ever see someone better.

by averagejoe on Dec 15, 2007 12:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Boras still Rolen's agent?

Just wondering. Seems like Boras has pissed down his leg all offseason.

by Big Head on Dec 15, 2007 12:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Fairly certain that Boras isn't Rolen's agent

Miller sucks.

by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Dec 15, 2007 12:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't he at one time?

I'm thinking Phillies and early Cards days.

by Big Head on Dec 15, 2007 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not sure if he ever was a Boras client

But the Hendricks brothers have been his agents for as long as he's been here, I think.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Dec 15, 2007 2:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Rolen's agents

are Sam and Seth Levinson.

"Players like Pujols don't come along once in a lifetime. They never come along." -Buzz Bissinger

by PujolsFor President on Dec 15, 2007 3:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oops

My mistake, wrong brothers

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Dec 15, 2007 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks jimmy

we'll miss ya

Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona.

by wilson on Dec 15, 2007 12:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Gulp!! Corey Patterson is out there

Never thought I'd have to say that.

by Big Head on Dec 15, 2007 12:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Brilliant move

we pay him for the most expensive year of his extension and then trade him for the cheaper one. What the fuck is that?

Rasmus better be starting in CF next year.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Dec 15, 2007 12:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Not only that

we are still subsidizing that cheaper year. I agree, Rasmus better get an honest shot at starting next year.

The hot stove is burning...

by cardzfan24 on Dec 15, 2007 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, and shifting $7 M to spend on Lohse

or Silva makes this deal worse.

If Payroll is supposed to be $115 M (possible), they've now got $16 M to spend. I'm almost fearful of what crap they will spend it on if they thought Cezar Izturis was worth $3.5 M.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Dec 15, 2007 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nevermind that Adam Everett was cheaper

and better.

Our lineup is fucking horrible. I wonder what we could get in return for Molina, because right now we have automatic outs in spots 6-9.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

6-9?

Who isn't an automatic out?

Pujols?
Duncan?
Ankiel-maybe if he can hit above .255?

I'd say we have automatic outs at 1,2,5,6,7,8,and 9 on days Wainwright doesn't pitch.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Dec 15, 2007 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I was being optimistic.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 1:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Screw batting the pitcher 8th

Wainwright should be hitting fourth in this lineup.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Dec 15, 2007 2:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

izturis vs. abraham nunez

if cezar can duplicate what nunez did as a cardinal filling in for rolen.. id say the deal doesnt sound so bad

i think most of the cardinal nation will be surprised

by mybirds3 on Dec 15, 2007 2:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If Nunez was available

I'd say we jump on him, like yesterday.

"A great catch is like watching girls go by; the last one you see is always the prettiest." - Bob Gibson

by stl tyler on Dec 15, 2007 2:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

nunez

isn't nunez a fa right now? i guess iz was a better deal, somehow.

by sportsman on Dec 15, 2007 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Eveythings ok...

Not to worry hardcore, I heard they might use the money to extend Izturis two years!

Trade for Sean Rodriguez! (But please dont call him S-Rod!)

by cardschinmusic on Dec 15, 2007 4:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Here's to you, Jimmy

I'll always remember that game in 2004 where you shut up that entire obnoxious Austin bar, except for me.

I wish theyd've given you a chance to have one last good year with us, unless they're going to use this cash to sign Johan Santana or something insane.

I will be commando

by Valatan on Dec 15, 2007 1:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

if the money isn't used

(by dumping Jimmy) to get a decent starting pitcher, then I think the move is not only a sentimental blow to many of us, but may end being a waste.

I'm not smart enough to NAME that starting pitcher, but I think that is our most pressing need right now, and the 4 or 5 million saved should help make it happen.

By contrast, if it had been Rolen that got moved (in basically a money saving measure, that is), I'm not sure the same application would apply... because in THAT case the need for a third baseman would also pop up.

by the Tewk on Dec 15, 2007 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks, Jimmy...

for the bottom of the 12th, and the catch the next night.

For playing through pain.

For going balls out on every play.

For offering yourself up before what may be your last season so we can get something in return before you check out for good.

Now, let's see if that money is put to good use or if we make a middling signing.

Decent baseball move if we don't overspend on Lohse or Silve. But, I guess we are getting pretty damn desperate for pitching at this point.

The old-ish college vet 3rd base prospect makes me that they still are confident they can move 27.

by wyld stallyns on Dec 15, 2007 1:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I dunno...

I've heard of players jumping from AA to the majors without too much problem. But the guy they got was in A ball. That's too big a jump, even by later in the year, IMHO. Maybe next year

by DiscoJer on Dec 15, 2007 1:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Goodbye James

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Dec 15, 2007 1:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

that's

strong

youneverknow

by meat on Dec 15, 2007 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Jimmy Baseball

Best of luck Jimmy. One of my all-time faves and so many unbeleivable plays and clutch HRs. A true shame he won't retire in STL.

My lasting image out of all his highlights is the 2005 NLCS Game 6 walkoff in the 10th and the double first pump out of the box.

Whatta player.

This offseason blows. Cmon Big Mo....make me happy again.

Acquire AJ Burnett!

by TheFranchise9 on Dec 15, 2007 1:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I'll always remember the game

on ABC Family against the DBacks (Game 1 of the 2002 NLDS) in which he obliterated a pitch from Randy Johnson that I'm not even sure re-entered the Earth's atmosphere.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Dec 15, 2007 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ack

should be the 2004 NLCS...

although there was a pretty memorable HR in the 2005 NLCS as well....

Acquire AJ Burnett!

by TheFranchise9 on Dec 15, 2007 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe Freese is part of a bigger trade

for a starting pitcher. Who knows. It's impossible to tell if Mo is just punting 2008 and fully embracing sucking for 3 years while they rebuild or if he thinks this stuff is making the franchise better.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Dec 15, 2007 1:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

what's the difference

how is freese not a basic duplication of craig? some level, same position, same skill set?

by sportsman on Dec 15, 2007 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This is probably as close to an admission of

the Cardinals not being able to contend next year as you'll get. Freese isn't a bad prospect (although he's behind Allen Craig on the depth chart) but I think I would have preferred to see Jimmy retire a Cardinal. That thought is overloading my robotic circuits but it's gonna be weird watching someone else in CF. Hopefully this leads to us retaining Barton while saying goodbye to Schumaker. Rasmus could probably use a while in AAA (and that would help us keep him cost controlled for a bit longer).

by azruavatar on Dec 15, 2007 1:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I've been away from the PC all day...

till now.

I'm in total shock! I knew this was a possibility, but to send him packing with a fringe player in return...wow!!

Jimmy had pretty much become my favorite Cardinal. He had his quirks...like how his shoulder always hurt him when he was fooled on a pitch...we all know the "grimace". Seems to me he just played the game the right way. Nobody could turn a high fastball around quite like JimE.

I can't help but wonder how bad the clubhouse might be. Jimmy had to sign off on this for it to happen, and a year or two ago I don't think he would have done that.

by cardzfanbub on Dec 15, 2007 1:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Scott Rolen's gotta be pissed

he was the one openly begging for a trade and Edmonds (a clubhouse guy) is the one that gets his wish granted.

Ha!

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Dec 15, 2007 1:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

obvious

rolen shit where he ate, not the way to become a 'wanted" man

by sportsman on Dec 15, 2007 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

How soon until all those Edmonds jerseys

on Stlcardinals.com go to half price? Wouldn't mind picking up the 1982 Throwback and the 2006 Opening Day one for cheap.

I will be boxer briefs

by Hardcore Legend on Dec 15, 2007 1:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Very good point.

Let us know if they do, please. I'd love to pick up one of those.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Dec 15, 2007 2:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

actually,

it'll probably take awhile considering they still have a Belliard jersey selling for $109.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Dec 15, 2007 2:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe a better send of for Jim?

I realize the most ideal way for his career to end would've been in a STL jersey...but if Mo saw us being unable to compete this year maybe they wanted Jim to have a shot at another ring his last year? He has a no-trade clause, no...and he is a west coast guy...

Still gonna miss him out there in center

by thekahnman on Dec 15, 2007 1:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Just figgered out

why the Cards released Aaron Miles..needed the million to send to the Padres to take Edmunds. Gain a million waste a million that's the way it goes.

by ridgesee on Dec 15, 2007 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Edmonds

Now if we trade Rolen, it will be a good sign the team is committed to rebuilding instead of wallowing in mediocrity with the Astros.

Freese is old for a prospect, and can't really play 3B very well.

Ankiel/Barton probably platoon in CF. Ludwick is likely to get lots of playing time next year.

by KJOK on Dec 15, 2007 2:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

what a depressing news

when i read on the bottom of sports center that jimmy e was traded, i had to rewind it and blink a few times just to make sure i wasnt seeing things...

what the hell??? i'll miss him.. he was as clutch as anyone i've ever seen play the game, especially with the bat during his very first season.. and with the glove thruout.. i honestly didnt care if he struck out everytime at the plate.. just as long as i got to him play center..

does he deserve his number retired? probably not, but since he was my favorite cardinal, hell yes.. only pujols has more post season homers as a cardinal than jimmy e..

i had really hoped that ankiel spent a full season under jimmy e's wing/guidance.. i couldnt think of anyone who could have been more beneficial for the young team we're about to field this upcoming season..

pujols is a god.. but not quite the leader he needs to be for our squad now.. he now becomes even more important to this team, but i dont think he's quite ready to be the leader we need him to be..

i swear, having lived throughout the u.s. the past few years, the opponents seemed to have the most respect for edmonds than any other cardinal.. even during the declining stages of his awesome career as a cardinal.. i honestly think we could have gotten more for him.. simply because other teams would love to have him around... rolen's glove will never be as satisfying as jimmy e diving with his back to the plate..

i've been sad to see some former cardials leave town... but never as i am now

by mybirds3 on Dec 15, 2007 2:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

o ya left something out

one of the best guess hitter this game has seen... ever

by mybirds3 on Dec 15, 2007 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

symbolic

...conceding the fall of the dynasty.

Talk about mixed feelings...I was holding back tears watching this.

anybody have a vid to that game 6 2004 NLCS walkoff??

"How depressing is it being you? Would you equate it to being a lifelong Cubs fan?"

by rocKStark5 on Dec 15, 2007 2:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

instantly

one of my favourite sports videos! thanks rocKStark for the link.

Jimmy, be good. i'll always remember you as a Cardinal, no matter how much great baseball you still have in you.

"bury the dead, feed the survivors and rebuild the city" (marques do pombal, 1777)

by Johnny64 on Dec 15, 2007 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the video

I have been very lucky to see a lot of baseball for the last 45 years and Jimmy Ballgame, Junior and the Say Hay Kid are the cf's I've enjoyed the most. Thanks for the memories, good luck and I hope you get one more ring with the Pads

by rajah424 on Dec 15, 2007 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

random thought

I seriously wouldn't be surprised if he used this money to go after Prior. The difference between having Jim and not is about what Prior will cost.

With that said, I hate this deal.

Thanks, Jimmy. You're still my favorite Cardinal.

On with the youth movement!

by aet15 on Dec 15, 2007 2:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

This is a good move.

Let me preface this by saying I'm a huge Jim Edmonds fan, and appreciate everything he's done, but from a financial standpoint, this is an excellent move.

Paying $8M for a for a .260 BA and 12Hr is ridiculous. The team will be much better off with youth in the outfield both from a value and production standpoint. The cards don't have a chance in hell of winning the Series this year anyway, so why spend the money on a veteran just so he can block your prospects.

That said, if the cards use this money to subsidize the 1st year of a 5 year Silva or Lohse contract, they are nuts. I'd rather spend it on a 1 year Towers contract. If not, bank the money, play youth, and lets see which if there is any value in the free agent market next year.

by CaCards on Dec 15, 2007 2:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I Agree 100%

Good luck Jimbo.

I wonder if he is worthy of having his # retired? I'd say yes. He was a key figure in one of the greatest stretches in franchise history. 2000-2007

by TommyBruno on Dec 15, 2007 2:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Retire it

He's one of my favorites of all-time.

by CaCards on Dec 15, 2007 3:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

McGee was a favorite too....

and I don't see #51 hanging up in Busch. I would say both should be retired, but probably neither will.

by TommyBruno on Dec 15, 2007 3:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They won't

But they shrug. See: McGee.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Dec 15, 2007 3:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The difference is

Jim Edmonds is one of the greatest centerfielders of all time, Willie McGee is not.

Cardinal fan from Washington

by JI on Dec 15, 2007 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

Edmonds hit fairly well the last two months of the season - perhaps it was a sign that he was finally healthy (the cause of his decline).

$8 million a year for a CF that can put up an .800 OPS (which is about what he hit the last two months) is not bad at all. Heck, Rowand just got a huge contract for a career of doing just that.

Anyway, stuff like this is why players should never, ever take a "home town" discount, or the like, instead always going for the most money.

by DiscoJer on Dec 15, 2007 2:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And let me add...

he wasn't "blocking" anyone. Rasmus was in AA last year. Yes, he might be able to jump to the majors, but he might not. He's definitely going to have a harder time with no Edmonds to learn from, IMHO.

by DiscoJer on Dec 15, 2007 2:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Good Point, if

he posts an .800 OPS. I just don't see it happening. As much as we want it, he's never going to be the Jimmy of old. He played too hard in CF for too many years

It pains me to say it, but we're probably better off offensively with Ankiel in CF.

It takes nothing away from how great of a Cardinal Edmonds will always be remembered as, but the club needs to turn the page, and this move makes sense in that context.

by CaCards on Dec 15, 2007 3:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

freese out

does this mean we can now send freeze to toronto for v wells and a bunch of cash?

by sportsman on Dec 15, 2007 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i'm sick

this trade makes all of my organs want to exit my body

by rrvwmr on Dec 15, 2007 2:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Jimmy Was Pretty Freaking Awesome

Best Cardinal CF since Curt Flood, no doubt, and that's not exactly a small feat. Probably the best defensive outfielder of his era, at least one of the top 3 along with Jones and Griffey. And for a long time, he was also a very very good offensive player or at least had great power and the ability to explode on any mistakes a pitcher made.

But since 2004, he had declined significantly and last season was pathetic. He never should have been resigned in the first place and especially not for the money they were paying him. It was clearly a gift from the World Series and another big reason that Walt ain't here no more.

But I'll remember Jimmy as the best Cardinal outfielder of my lifetime and I wish him the best at the end of his career. I at least hope he can be healthy at least stay on the field this year and the fact remains that the Cardinals need to clean some space. I'm wondering if this isn't a precursor to moving Rolen as well.

by homosaur on Dec 15, 2007 3:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Le sigh.

I can't cheer the Cardinals this year. I don't mean that as a "boohoo, they cut/traded all of my favorite players" type of angst. I mean it in dismay, in total apathy for another faceless team. There's nobody worth cheering for on the team this season besides Albert and Wainer, in my opinion. Let's take a look, shall we?

Manager: TLR. Never fond, but his love for animals is a positive.

1B: Albert. Worthy of my loyalty.

2B: Adam Kennedy. Injured or hobbled professionally, not fond of him either way.

SS: Izturis. "Izturis" is my new punchline. "Aww, Duncan tracked the ball at the wall and it bounced off of his glove and into the stands! AWWW! What an Izturis Signing that was!" That might make this season a little fun... but it's not as good as "Aww, he booted the ball into the dugout! What an Aaron Miles that guy is!"

3B: Rolen. The New York Yankees saga with him and TLR tainted him for me. Still respect him, but meh.

LF: Duncan. The man humped the WS trophy and chews tabaccy. Not my type of guy.

CF: Mike Cameron, maybe? Steroids. I'd still nod in acceptance, though, depending on the money. I like him a lot. Had some fantastic Mariner years. But if we're signing him on for two years at $6m each or something, that defeats the purpose of getting rid of Jimmy.

RF: Ankiel. Like the bat, personality always seemed snotty to me. Never liked him much.

Rotation:

Wainer. My favorite Cardinal. Seems like a class act. Not bad on the eyes, either, probably one of the best lookin' dudes I've ever seen. Uhhh, I LIKE STEAKS AND SMASH'EM UP MONSTER TRUCK SHOWS! There, masculinity in check.
Looper. Annoys me as much as Blooper, that damn octopus from Super Mario Bros.
Joel. I like pronouncing his name like Antonio Banderas. Keeper. (It's sad when the guy I'd rank third or fourth on my "likes" list is there just because I can say his name with a sexy accent)
Mulder. Otherwise known as "The broken machine that once was Mark Mulder" to Cardinal Nation.
Free Agent Scrub #11 or Thompson. Puppy Kicker'd crack the Top 5, probably. Always liked him.

BP:

Franklin. Hate the guy. Don't know why. Can't explain why. Despise him, though. Wish we'd trade him to the Bombers.
Flores x2. Don't like him, either.
Johnson. Hate him, too, actually. Why do I hate our bullpen? Just dawned on me that I have no reason to; they're one of our strengths, yet I can't stand them.
Izzy. Like the guy. Top 5 material. Feel bad that he got booed so much in '06. Never comfortable with him on the mound, but...

I don't know... I wanted Jimmy to retire a Cardinal. I know he's useless now, but so what? We're not contending in '08. That's been clear since we signed Caesar Izturis and couldn't con anyone into shipping us a pitcher. So why not just let Jimmy retire a Redbird with dignity? Is that so much to ask?

Good luck in '08, Cards. I'll be a paper fan, not attending any games and watching them on the tele when I'm in a bar or grill. Hate to sound angry, because I'm not. I just don't care one way or the other. I'd rather use my money towards helping my gal through college or something productive than watch a team full of guys I don't care about. I can think of just as many Royals that I like as I do Cardinals! How sad is that?

If this is the end, goodbye Jimmy. You're the best Cardinal we've had since the Wizard, and you'll be the best until Albert leaves.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Dec 15, 2007 3:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

cant find my glasses....

Is that _oop with a Z?

Trade for Sean Rodriguez! (But please dont call him S-Rod!)

by cardschinmusic on Dec 15, 2007 8:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Indeed

Zoop it is.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Dec 15, 2007 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I only agree with

maybe a third of the points you spat out. But I like the WAY you think. Sabermetrics be damned and all that. You're funny. (I mean that in the best sense, not the sarcastic sense)

Whatever you are drinking or smoking... keep doing it.

by the Tewk on Dec 15, 2007 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Neither

I'm just naturally that damn goofy, but kudos, nonetheless.

Rasmus or bust.

by Zoop on Dec 15, 2007 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Here we go...

into the true MO era. If what he's up to pans out, he's a hero. If it's a bust...

Thanks for all the hellacious plays, JEd. You will be missed. Good luck in SD.

by rockin redbird on Dec 15, 2007 4:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yep.

We've gone full circle. Never thought I'd live to see jed traded for cash.

You'll at least get a chance to show off the leather in that cavern, jimmy

I will be commando

by Valatan on Dec 15, 2007 4:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

WHAT!!!!

NO, no, no, no. First Eckstein, now Jimmy! Jesus help us. We'll be lucky to finish ahead of Pittsburgh this year. Jimmy was our leader. He is a legend and I will miss him greatly. Thanks, Jimmy.

A walk is a waste of three pitches-Bob Gibson

by orlando card on Dec 15, 2007 8:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Let's calm down

Congrats to Jimmy! More than anything, this was a shot for Mr. Edmonds to get another ring for maybe his last year ever in his awesome career. We are getting way too upset about what the Cards are doing for themselves (which is good anyway) than what they are doing for Edmonds. To honor Jim properly, I'd rather have him playing in his hometown area with a very legitimate contender than dwindle away his last year in a whiny bitch-box of mediocrity this team has become over the last few years. We all wanted to get younger to prepare for 09 and more, so... here you go! Why all the harsh backlash? Besides picking up a C+ prospect, we now have a little pocket of dough to use to either A) Go after a pitcher of some varying importance B) Throw some cash into a Rolen trade to get a VERY good player C) Eat Kennedy's bufu and toss his ass out on the street, or, D) Sign a younger, more talented castoff from another team in the next few weeks. If you want to honor Edmonds, come to the Padres games and cheer your ass off everytime he comes up to the plate and strikes out on high hard ones (sorry, I just had to). We all love Jimmy. Be happy for him. And for us. As far as rebuilding goes, this was a fantastic move.

by RonGant on Dec 15, 2007 9:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

We're off!!

Good luck Jim Ed! Lots of conflicting thoughts but the bottom line is that it is clear that Mo and not TLR is running the show. We are turning the page and that is scary, particularly because we are a year or two from having the farm system we need to really do it. But delaying the inevitable, hoping for another '06 type miracle was pointless. If Colby and a couple other prospects continue to play beyond their age and if next year's free agents are as juicy as advertised this could be a one season swim into the "night ocean". This year will test our patience but developing teams can be fun to follow. I'm glad we've changed direction.

by easy on Dec 15, 2007 10:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Jimmy should have been given the chance he earned

Yes, this trade makes room for Colby Rasmus, but the timing is horrible.

Jim Edmonds should have been given the opportunity to bounce back after getting hit hard with injuries and resume his off season training. it was obvious that his legs were out of condition during Spring Training after having to take time off during the surgeries.

At age 37 and beyond, there are many cases of players coming back to have big years. Paul Molitor slumped to .270/.350/.423 at the age of 39 and then came back at age 40 to hit .341/.390/.468.

At age 38 Molitor hit .341/.410/.518. Edmonds and Molitor both had injury plagued careers and in the Brewers case were haunted by not re-signing Molitor.

OK, you can also make the case he won't come back and will have another mediocre year, but Edmonds has earned the chance to make a comeback. Now what the Cardinals have done is broken up the big three of Rolen, Pujols and Edmonds and have thrown in the towel for 2008. All this trade did was officially end the DYNASTY that began in 2004 and start a full blown rebuilding project. Edmonds should have been allowed to retire as a Cardinal and the Cardinals DYNASTY should have been given one last chance to continue.

Even with all the great years in the Whitey Herzog era, my greatest Cardinal moment was Jimmy's walk off HR in Game 6 of the 2004 NLCS.

The greatest CF in Cardinal history (not forgetting Flood and McGee) and deserves consideration for the Hall of Fame.

Thank you Jimmy!

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by DYNASTYLeagueBaseballMike on Dec 15, 2007 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

CONCERN ABOUT STRATEGY

WE'RE FOLLOWING THE TREND TOWARDS INWARD, FARM FOCUSED ROSTER DEVELOPMENT, AND IN THAT WE ARE NOT LEADERS, THERE'S NO COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE TO BE HAD...

THAT SAID, THE F/A MARKET JUST SIMPLY GETS MORE STUPID EVERY YEAR....

RE: LOG JAM @ 3B - THE PADS WERE THINKING OF PUTTING FREESE BEHIND THE PLATE. APPARENTLY HIS ONLY DEFENSIVE ASSET IS HIS ARM - WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF HE EITHER ENDED UP IN RF, OR AS SOME SORT OF HATTEBERG/HILLENBRAND TYPE WHOSE ABOVE AVERAGE STICK IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO BE A PRIMARY 1B/DH, BUT WHOSE DEFENSE IS TOO POOR TO BE A 3B/C

HE'S LIKELY GOING TO MASH IN AA AND THEN BE TRADED TO SOME OTHER GM WHO OVERVALUES PROSPECTS!!!

by TOLAXOR on Dec 15, 2007 11:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

gotta start somewere

the line up there showing is debateable I think that ankiel in the six slot makes more since...of course if we trade rolen it will not matter, either way we dont have a good line up..but if you put kennedy and sch or barton in front of pujols then duncan then rolen ankiel molina ss and p it splits the outs up..Also kennedys splits in leadoff were better than his other places in the order and he has to come back better I hope....

by cm1000 on Dec 15, 2007 12:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Info about Freese

Freese is an older guy to be in Class A, but his numbers are quite incredible there. I don't know how they would compare to MLB statistics (don't know the formula for figuring it out) but he hits righties and lefties both pretty evenly. He hits on the road and at home, so it was not simply the park he played in 1/2 the games. He really seems to be a guy who just tears the cover off the ball. If he can even play a little defense, lets throw him on that Springfield team that was so good last year and see if he can be part of this thing in '09 - '10. We need to get younger and this is going to help do it. Even if he comes up at 27 or 28 years old...we'd still get his "prime years" in a Cardinals uniform.

stlfan

by stlfan on Dec 15, 2007 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Bad news/good news

I'm also sad to see Jimmy go. He has been fun to watch over the years and I had hoped he would retire as a Cardinal after 2008. I sure don't look forward to listening to my teenage daughter complain when she finds out they traded him!

As many others have said, this is in many ways good news as it does free up several dollars for some other purpose (here's one vote against Cameron), but I was disappointed in the level of "prospect" that we got in return for Jimmy.

by ArkansasTravs on Dec 15, 2007 3:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Hate It Hate It HATE IT

What does $7M of free cash do for us? We are not going to contend next year and Jimmy's contract was up anyhow. Colby's not ready and nobody is pushing Jimmy out of his platoon spot in the OF.

LBoros - you have the right to say that this doesn't matter much for you, but friendly question, What does? I look at Jim as the heart of our ballclub. If the loss of Jim in his walk year doesn't strike a chord, what would?

Seems like Mo is making his mark, but I think it would have made a lot more sense to trade Jimmy near the deadline when you could get two B level prospects (if he performed).

Sucks.......

Best of luck Jim - Hope you bash everyone in your way and post that 850 plus OPS Bill James is predicting, including the cards.

by Lawless on Dec 15, 2007 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs