the angel angle
i haven't seen it mentioned anywhere that the 2006-07 cardinals tracked the 2002-03 angels almost to a tee --- and with a number of the same players. eckstein, kennedy, spiezio, and troy percival all won a world title with anaheim in 2002, then suffered through a lifeless 77-85 campaign in 2003. those angels were 5 games out by may 1, 10 games out by june 1, and 15 games out by early august; they finished 19 games back. they fell into 3d place on april 18 and never rose higher in the standings. the 2007 cardinals stayed closer to the top of the division because it was a terrible division, but their season was just as bad. like the 2007 cards, the 03 angels brought back their title-winning roster almost completely intact; they made even fewer changes than the cardinals, who at least had some turnover on the pitching staff due to free-agent defections and injuries.
it's far from a perfect analogy --- those angels were much younger than the 2006-07 cards (6 of 9 everyday players were under 30), and their title-winning team had a very good overall pitching staff (2d-lowest era in the league), while the 2006 cards finished 9th in nl era and simply got hot at the right time. but there are parallels too --- the angels' offense collapsed in the year after they won the title, large through age- and injury-related attrition, and their starting rotation regressed to a 4.90 era, 4th-worst in the league --- comparable to the cards' 5.04 rotation era, which was 3d worst in the nl this year. there's enough similarity that i though it might be instructive to see how the angels responded to their 77-85 post-championship disappointment --- especially since they bounced back to win the division in 3 of the ensuing 4 years. how'd they do it?
here's a quick summary of their rosters, year by year, with starers' ages and how acquired:
| 2002 99-63, 2d |
2003 77-85, 3d |
2004 92-70, 1st |
2005 95-67, 1st |
2006 89-73, 2d |
2007 94-68, 1st |
|
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| c | b molina, 27 homegrown |
b molina, 28 homegrown |
b molina, 29 homegrown |
b molina, 30 homegrown |
m napoli, 24 homegrown |
m napoli, 25 homegrown |
| 1b | s spiezio, 29 free agent |
s spiezio, 30 free agent |
d erstad, 30 homegrown |
d erstad, 31 homegrown |
r quinlan, 29 homegrown |
c kotchman, 24 homegrown |
| 2b | a kennedy, 26 trade |
a kennedy, 27 trade |
a kennedy, 28 trade |
a kennedy, 29 trade |
a kennedy, 30 trade |
h kendrick, 23 homegrown |
| ss | d eckstein, 27 waivers |
eckstein, 28 waivers |
eckstein, 29 waivers |
o cabrera, 30 free agent |
o cabrera, 31 free agent |
o cabrera, 32 free agent |
| 3b | t glaus, 25 homegrown |
t glaus, 26 homegrown |
c figgins, 26 homegrown |
d mcpherson, 24 homegrown |
m izturis, 25 trade |
c figgins, 29 homegrown |
| lf | g anderson, 30 homegrown |
g anderson, 31 homegrown |
j guillen, 28 free agent |
g anderson, 33 homegrown |
g anderson, 34 homegrown |
g anderson, 35 homegrown |
| cf | d erstad, 28 homegrown |
d erstad, 29 homegrown |
g anderson, 32 homegrown |
s finley, 40 free agent |
c figgins, 28 homegrown |
g mathews, 32 free agent |
| rf | t salmon, 33 homegrown |
j davanon, 29 trade |
v guerrero, 28 free agent |
v guerrero, 29 free agent |
v guerrero, 30 free agent |
v guerrero, 31 free agent |
let's stop there for a moment; we'll get to the pitching in a second. what did the angels do here? after 2003, it took 3 to 4 years for a new crop of prospects to ripen; in the last couple seasons they have installed napoli behind the plate, kotchman at first, and kendrick at 2d, with two other homemade products (erick aybar and reggie willits) starting 162 games between them in 2007. the angels stayed extremely patient while waiting for this group to get ready, using makeshift solutions throughout the everday lineup --- and continuing to win. from 2003 to 2006 they had revolving doors at 3 positions (1b, 3b, and cf); they plugged in some one-year stopgaps (guillen, finley, izturis) and sifted through some so-so-prospects (quinlan, mcpherson). but the sifting did yield one useful homegrown player, chone figgins. the angels' saving grace was the addition of one free-agent superstar, guerrero --- for several years he was to their lineup what pujols was to stl's this year, ie the only guy who keeps it from being a total embarrassment. from 2004-06 the angels ranked 7th, 7th, and 11th in runs scored --- but they still remained competitive in a tough division. above all, they stayed young --- in every season, they had at least 4 everyday players who were younger than 30, and they avoided blockading their farm system with long-term contracts to aging vets. this year, with all the youngsters in place, they rose to 4th in scoring, and they have two pretty good hitting prospects (brandon wood and kendry morales) hovering at triple A. their future looks rosy.
could the cardinals follow a program like this? possibly. they could take the stopgap approach, commit to ryan and ankiel as everyday players in 2008 and live with their limitations (whatever they might be), with lesser prospects such as schumaker and hoffpauir available for bench support and/or everyday duty if plan A doesn't work out. if the cards can get league-average production, or close to it, from those guys, it frees up a huge chunk of payroll to address weaknesses elsewhere on the roster. and there are always the john rodriguez / ryan ludwick types floating around out there, who can provide contributions essentially for free. would that make for a great offense? not hardly; but it'd have a good chance to be league average, which would suffice for a year until rasmus and anderson come up in 2009 to (we hope) offer a boost.
now to the angels' rotation:
| 2002 99-63, 2d |
2003 77-85, 3d |
2004 92-70, 1st |
2005 95-67, 1st |
2006 89-73, 2d |
2007 94-68, 1st |
|
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| sp1 | j washburn, 27 homegrown |
j washburn, 28 homegrown |
j washburn, 29 homegrown |
j washburn, 30 homegrown |
k escobar, 30 free agent |
k escobar, 31 free agent |
| sp2 | k appier, 34 trade |
j lackey, 24 homegrown |
j lackey, 25 homegrown |
j lackey, 26 homegrown |
j lackey, 27 homegrown |
j lackey, 28 homegrown |
| sp3 | r ortiz, 29 homegrown |
r ortiz, 30 homegrown |
b colon, 31 free agent |
b colon, 32 free agent |
jer weaver, 23 homegrown |
jer weaver, 24 homegrown |
| sp4 | a sele, 32 free agent |
sele, 33 free agent |
sele, 34 free agent |
p byrd, 34 free agent |
jef weaver, 29 free agent |
joe saunders, 26 homegrown |
| sp5 | j lackey, 23 homegrown |
k appier, 35 trade |
k escobar, 28 free agent |
e santana, 22 homegrown |
e santana, 23 homegrown |
e santana, 24 homegrown |
| cl | t percival, 32 homegrown |
t percival, 33 homegrown |
t percival, 34 homegrown |
f rodriguez, 23 homegrown |
f rodriguez, 24 homegrown |
f rodriguez, 25 homegrown |
very interesting mix of strategies here. after 2003, the angels signed two free agents: colon and escobar. colon's was a rich four-year deal, and he delivered one good season on it --- 2005, when he won the cy young. he's been hurt and / or very ineffective in all of the other three years. escobar, however, has been a wonderful buy --- sub-4.00 era's in every year of the deal, although injuries kept him sidelined for 2005, which happened to be colon's lone good season. essentially, the angels paid top dollar for 8 years of pitching and netted 4 good seasons (3 by escobar, 1 by colon). a very expensive proposition, but that's about what pitching costs these days on the free-agent market. the angels got far better returns on the three homegrown pitchers who've joined the rotation, one per year, since 2005 --- santana, jered weaver, and saunders. those guys --- all younger than 30 --- plus the homegrown 20something already in place (ie lackey) have thrown the bulk of the innings on the staff and delivered the most reliable performance. the angels also installed a young homegrown pitcher at closer, and he has been all-star caliber.
this is where the cardinals have to worry --- because the personnel are simply not available for them to execute either of the strategies the angels pursued after 2003. adam wainwright is the cards' counterpart to lackey --- a member of the championship team, already in place when the rebuilding process begins --- and that, frankly, is a huge piece of the puzzle. that's the good news. lackey has been the angels' workhorse for 4 years running, a true staff anchor, and if wainwright can provide the same for the next four years, that eliminates a very large concern for st louis. however ---- there are no bartolo colons or kelvim escobars available on the free-agent market this year (well, colon himself is available, but he's not the pitcher he was then), so that type of approach probably won't work for the cards --- and it didn't really work all that well for the angels, frankly. and in truth, the cards already have a bartolo colon counterpart under contract --- chris carpenter, an over-30 pitcher with a great track record. he has four years to run on his deal, and if he delivers 1 good season within that time frame he will have equaled colon's contribution; if he delivers 3 good seasons out of the 4, then he's the answer to escobar. so now we've got two pieces of this puzzle filled . . . . .
and what of the homegrown pitchers? jaime garcia might be ready in 2009, if he stays healthy and continues to improve --- that would be three years post-championship, the same time ervin santana joined the angels' rotation. by 2010, four years post-championship (when jered weaver arrived in los angeles), we can hope that one of the cards' #1 draftees (ottavino, tyler herron, or clay mortensen) is good to go. and by 2011, who knows?
in the short term (ie 2008) there are obvious problems --- they might be able to add one not-very-good pitcher via free agency or swing a trade for one season of jon garland or matt morris, someone like that. maybe they'll get lucky and one of the upper-level prospects who struggled this year (reyes, hawksworth, thompson) will achieve league-averageness. but they need to improve their run differential by 100 runs just to get back to .500 --- that isn't very likely to happen in a single off-season. longer term, though, i don't think the franchise's prospects are so bleak. they still have pujols in his prime; with some patience and prudence and a bit of luck (you always need that), they may be back in contention by 2009, with 3 years left to run on albert's deal. if it were to turn out that way, i for one wouldn't complain.
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Interesting
by BluesDrummer85 on Oct 5, 2007 10:13 AM EDT reply actions
Did lboros convince DeWitt to fire Walt?
" No, I don't think that was an issue. I think it was more the internal division of various factions. Somebody ... I think it was Joe Strauss quoted a minor-league coach - I don't know who it was; you guys are all pretty good at getting scoops - who said, `I don't know who to talk to.' That's just not a good situation. You can't be productive and successful when that goes on."
These words follow lboros post on 10/1 , where he said something eerily similar:
"but if things are really as bad as described in that quote, the organization is in trouble. healthy, creative tension is one thing; a circular firing squad is another. i've been in work situations where people have to be careful about whom they share information with; in my experience, such an environment never lends itself to good performance."
Of course, these insights could have emerged independently. But is it out of the bounds of the possible that DeWitt reads VEB (attempting to track the 'pulse' of the online fanbase!?!). If he does, is it at all possible that lboros strong statement might have had an effect on the man???
Just throwing it out there.....
doubtful and far-fetched
I agree
In regards to DeWitt and his comments...I think people take owners for granted. These are very successful business people. Most of these people have built financial empires. They may not know as much about baseball as GMs do, but I'm sure they know a little bit about business.
It seems most fans expect an owner to buy the team, finance a stadium, then sit back and allow a GM to have open access to the company checkbook while not being heard from again. Owners are rarely credited with any success of the team or organization.
However, I think active influence from these business-genius types is key. Also, I think all levels of an organization should be held accountable for performance. I feel good about the way DeWitt has taken this team from the very poor status he acquired it in and raised it from a bottom tier payroll team to top...from a (generally) losing team to a winning one.
We can preach farm system, scouting, winning in the margins, etc. all we want...but the true key to a winning franchise is sound business decisions and an active business plan. I get the impression these sort of things are right up DeWitt's alley.
I think this bias is created by having
LB
I know
I'm only suggesting that maybe - just maybe - DeWitt read Strauss, and then read VEB, and then started thinking, "Man, our situation really is dysfunctional....we have to do SOMETHING about it."
And he did.
by cardsfaninmass on Oct 5, 2007 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
shhhhh ---- don't blow my cover
Good exercise
I sure hope that Rasmus, Garcia, Anderson, and Perez are untouchable.
I like this analysis a lot
It seems to me that one thing Walt was really good at was realizing that prospects wash out at a pretty high rate. Therefore, if you can translate some of your prospects into established veterans that will be productive you are better off in the long run.
I am not advocating selling the farm by any means, but rather that the team must look at its prospects very critically especially when they are highly touted and thus highly coveted.
Anderson might be a good example of this. He seems to be ranked really highly and I would love to have an offensive catcher at some point. However, what type of deal could be put together with him as the centerpiece? Are we really that confident that he will be a successful major league catcher? I think you at least have to consider including him in a deal.
Anyway, I know this is off on a tangent from the original post, I am just reacting to the fact that I think the Angels could be a better team today and over the last couple of years if they wouldn't have been so unwilling to deal at least some of their prospects.
Yes.
Anderson
I'd be more inclined to wait
I'd like to see Anderson become ready
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 5, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
How was the Angels' farm system
'Cause if they were already drafted, that'd mean we'd already have to have them drafted to be in a similar position.
Thats what I was wondering as well...
(I'm going to start calling him L.)
enhancement
BTW that's a lowercase L, not a 1.
Maybe we should just call him littleL?
well i don't know
Also, Larry had one mix up: Howie Kendrick is homegrown and Chone Figgins was aquired; he was drafted by the Rockies in 1997.
Three things
- How does the Troy Glaus factor play into this. The Angels parted ways with the offensive threat at 3rd base and began the revolving door. Would they have been better served keeping that 3rd basemen? What does a resurgent Scott Rolen do to our parellel?
- The offense is damaged goods but certainly fixable. It is the pitching staff that is awful. Wainwright and maybe Carpenter in 2009. Reyes has been epically bad, Thompson barely touching league average. We have nothing in AAA and very few guys in AA that inspire any confidence.
* Keith Law wrote a pretty scathing blurb the other day about the romanticism of Lunhow's drafts and what he has filled the farm system with. I know everyone LOVES Keith Law around here but I found it interesting that outsiders see Bill DeWitt's faith in Jeff as quizical.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 5, 2007 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
i tend to agree with law
on the positive...it appears we have a
star cf
a solid c
a closer in perez
good starters in jaime garcia, mortensen, ottavino, and herron, but none of the three are slam dunks due to health or other issues, and all are 2 or more years away.
then you have a bunch of others who are question marks. he's improved the farm. no doubt. it's getting out of the woods, but i think the cardinals system will once again be ranked as below average...and he's had three drafts to replenish with. then again, some of these guys could really end up doing well this year, there's room for break outs. personally, i'm pretty excited about jose martinez. he could be capable fo renteria type numbers.
2005
Law
"Just one major thing to add - the Cardinals still have one of the worst farm systems in baseball. After Colby Rasmus, a top-of-the-line prospect, who do they have who definitely projects as an above-average regular? Anderson struggled this year at the plate and with his throwing. Garcia had a terrible year. John Jay didn't hit at all. Mark Hamilton didn't hit at all in AA. Ottavino is a future reliever; Chris Perez is already a reliever and I project him as a setup guy. Tyler Greene and Mark McCormick were laughable picks in 2005 that cost $1.9 million between them, and neither looks like he'll get more than a cup of coffee. After Rasmus and perhaps Tyler Herron, it's pretty thin, with a lot of guys looking like they're not going to pan out. So I don't really see the evidence that Luhnow has made a positive difference in the way those departments are run; perhaps it's too early to tell, but I don't buy the arguments that we are already seeing progress."
Know what
Our farm system is pretty bad. Just look at the September call ups. Wow the guys were very unspectacular. Those guys got called up because they supposidly produced at the minor league level.
It does not look good.
i wouldn't go THAT far
springfield went to the tl championship
the swing made the playoffs.
there is some talent there, a lot more then in years but it's still questionable. don't get me wrong.
if it were that horrible, i'd find something else to blog on, like knitting or kite making...ok, probably not.
i think some of the reaction
luhnow on the other hand has no allies, no track record, no nothin' --- plus he's a slender dockers-wearing nerd, not a stiffnecked man w/ a firm handshake and a bit o' belly hanging over his belt buckle. a lot of people (including perhaps keith law) were offended that the cardinals would empower a guy like that over the objections of a guy like walt.
so i think some of this blowback is personality-driven to an extent. i still haven't heard a convincing argument that a bigger free-agent budget would have benefitted the team this year. the best pitcher on the market --- ted lilly --- is a guy the cardinals never even considered. they didn't miss out on him due to lack of $$$$ --- they missed out due to a mistake in talent assessment. the organization has made too many of those missteps in the past few years. walt lost his touch --- that's why change became thinkable, and eventually became reality.
I'm an insider...
More Law comments
If that's the case, that's not the recipe to aggressively restock a system. Look at Detroit, Yankees, Dodgers (to some extent), and Boston---they have no qualms signing above slot, they want the best available player. You have to get the blue-chip players and if that costs more, so be it. In the long run, it's the cost effective approach.
that i do
FRB agrees
That what is frustrating
Even if it means spending a good chunk of money on only 3 or 4 players out of the 2 drafts that will make it the show, find some good out of being THIS bad.
Instead, we got Pete Kozma. Teams like the Indians have young MIF like Cabrera coming up. We've got a guy with a funky swing and just a younger version of Scrappy McScrapscrap.
by Hardcore Legend on Oct 5, 2007 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
AGREED
No offense to Dave Eckstein, Brendan Ryan, and Ryan Theriot but I want an impact player at SS. I don't want scrappy up the middle, I want talent at C, SS, and CF. You need your best athletes and defenders up the middle.
in some respects
daryl jones was a third rounder, he was going to be a wide receiver in the NCAA but turned it down to play baseball. he oozes with tools but doesn't look like he'll ever put it together.
tommy pham was given 3rd round money to steer him away from going to Cal Fullerton because he could throw 92, hit and run like the wind.
ty greene was taken despite striking out a lot, because he could run, field and hit for power. he was a pick based on what they felt his upside was.
then of course, you have colby rasmus.
they also took other high schoolers this year like hooker and zawacki. they seem to be more comfortable taking more high schoolers later, like those two and jonathan edwards. and in the past two drafts.
they have had more whiffs then hits on some of the "high risk, high reward" guys but it's not like they aren't totally trying. they seem to do well taking some of the high schoolers in the latter rounds and convince them to turn pro. could they improve? abso stinkin'lutely. i'm not trying to flip flop here, but they are not just taking safe picks 100% of the time. i'd love to see them layoff all the back of the rotation types in the supplemental through 5th rounds, and to stay the heck away from the shane robinson's of the world, perhaps they will learn.
Let's not be so quick to crap on Kozma
Let's see how he looks next year, after (hopefully) working his butt off this winter to develop as a professional hitter.
i agree
safe approach?
The wild card here is that
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 5, 2007 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Offensive collapse
I say that the Cards seem to be in desperate need for more walks and doubles in their lineup next year.
Not really related to this post
I just checked out the lineup for the Mesa Solar Sox, the AFL team we're affiliated with.
They have Joe Mather listed as playing second base. Now I realize they've got a lot of young players from several different teams and they need to find spots for everyone, but does our organization have any say in that sort of thing? Could that be something we're trying out?
Joe Mather would become a much more interesting prospect if he were a second baseman as opposed to an outfielder.
he was drafted as a SS
I suppose we wouldn't have to worry about people trying to take him out with a hard slide...
Huh
The past few seasons of revolving door second basemen make the idea of a homegrown, power hitting second baseman pretty interesting. If his defense is even average at second it should be something for the organization to consider.
That is pretty huge for a middle infielder though.
I've seen mather play
by Hammondsbird on Oct 5, 2007 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen him as well
Cardinals
Those are the types of guys who can really turn your pitching around.
The Cardinals just don't have enough talent stock piled to start trading prospects. The braves trade prospects all the time, and that is because their minor league system is chalk full of prospects. But you can't hold on to prospects too long either because they get old and someone has a player just as good who is a few years younger.
Depends on the goal
Once that is done then we can start taking the chances you need to maybe get lucky and find an impact guy.
Question
Is it me, but it seems STL is the only team that never drafts good pitchers. I can come up with a ton of names of young pitchers who are very good. STL has not drated anyone who has panned out? Don't know if it is a luck thing or bad scouting. Just like the Cubbies seem to complain about never being able to draft good position players.
i agree...
my question to lb:i think i have heard you deem VEB a hobby, if you are this good at a hobby, how good are you in the professional world where your livelihood is on the line?
let me put it another way:i dont know what you are professionally, (for some reason i am thinking writer or teacher)but if you were say a lawyer, or big business guy, after being this good at a hobby, i wouldnt want to cross you
i hope you take this as the pure compliment i am trying to get across (very badly, i might add)
now just a few words about the post, i like this analogy, we can be competitive in this division next year, IF, (and that is a very big if), several things work out right (mulder healthy, rolen healthy, edmonds healthy, kennedy reagaining form etc., etc.), but we cant count on any of that
i think this offseason needs to go a certain way:
- go with young guys wherever possible, this means tryout ryan fulltime
- have ankiel as a starting outfielder, and stick with him, good or bad (at least until he shows that he cant be a fulltime productive player)
- have ludwick and schumaker as your oufield backups, and if you drop taguchi, his money pays them both
5.not sure what to do with backup catcher, but i think we should be able to replace bennett for pretty close to the minimum
6. as far as the bullpen, i wouldnt make many moves there, try bringing springer, and percival back, if possible, and try to get perez to st louis in the middle of the season, so izzy can show him what goes into being a closer
7.now the starting rotation; this is where it gets dicey:all we really can think right now is that we have our current number 1 in wagonmaker, a number 4 in looper, three guys who could compete for spots are reyes, thompson, and wellemeyer, if you can get 1 number 5 starter out of that group be happy
8.that still leaves 2 slots in the rotation; pineiro, at the right price, could fill one; a free-agent along the lines of carlos silva or someone like him could take the other, just dont hamstring yourself for the future on a guy who would be average at best; another way to go here would be to try to get a guy like burnett now, and he should still be here when we can compete again, but dont trade an untouchable for him, try making it about money, where we are mainly giving them relief, plus he isnt popular there; but above all, no more sid ponsons, kip wells, mike maroths, ricardo rincons; limit what you will take a flyer on
damn, i am rambling today
Miles
What am I missing out on here? Has he played well enough to price himself up?
Otherwise I agree with most of what you said. When it comes down to it, the Cardinals real problem is pitching. Wells, Martoh, Rincon, Ponson. Seems like we are always paying guys who do a poor job, pitch minimal innings, and make a fair amount of money. You could just as easily get league average production out of a young guy that you are paying 300k.
Miles is not a great bench player
Yep, and that empty .300
by MdRedbirdFreak on Oct 5, 2007 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a good bench player
I don't like him because
And yes, you are wrong, there is such a thing as an empty .300. Do a search on the site, it's been explained multiple times.
He is not a good bench player
He is bad defensively and b/c he's bad defensively, is limited to 1 position -- 2b. Good bench players do something well -- play defense, have speed, hit for power, get on base, play multiple positions -- Aaron Miles does none of these. He did play some SS and 3B this year until LaRussa had enough of watching him butcher those 2 positions.
As for "pop" -- he has none -- as I mentioned, he has a career SLG of .357. And the lack of pop is significant. It, along w/ being able to reach base consistently, which he doesn't, is what separates good offensive players from bad ones. Miles is bad offensively, bad defensively and not at all versatile. Therefore, he has none of the attributes of a good bench player.
bigcardsfand5 I like
Today's Subject
Thanks for directly addressing my question for an estimate of the organization's competitive recovery time horizon (asked on Wednesday in the aftermath of the Jocketty release). I appreciate the answers I saw from everyone. I see a fair amount of convergence on the general answer (if I may paraphrase): 2-3 years minimum, with the recovery largely reliant upon getting a proper pitching staff in place. If that's completely off-base, let me know.
Mather
by cariocacardinal on Oct 5, 2007 1:32 PM EDT reply actions
AFL
Lunhow Drafts
by cariocacardinal on Oct 5, 2007 1:37 PM EDT reply actions
Wow
heap it on
the question was asked about the evolution of the farm system through the same period. evidence of the cards making investments to expand and improve the system are there, but when the last step in the system short of the big club, aaa, has a lock on last place in their league, it's easy to figure we're not (yet) matching pace with our competitors.
any simple way to get a index of farm system competitiveness and chart the evolution of each club?
by Birds on the Bat on Oct 5, 2007 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Manager
I have the utmost respect for both men, as their preparation and competativness is second to none.
this weekend
These articles
I hope they offer arbitration and tender a lowball one-year contract. If he takes it, fine. If he holds out for multiple-years, take the draft picks.
I was pleased that they aren't going to bring Bennett back (nothing against him as a man, just as a ballplayer).
now that the FO is commited to this new approach
I've wondered this since the Russell
I remember reading this at the time
As for the draft itself, who actually drafted Russell. Does Luhnow, himself, do the drafting? I got the impression, perhaps falsely, that Walt would've given the final go-ahead on the draftees -- at least the earlier ones. If I'm right, why would Walt draft him? If I'm wrong, was Walt's failure to sign Russell really just a big f-u to Luhnow?
luhnow does all the drafting
I agree and disagree...
I think the Cards are in a better position than most think. We have the best hitter in the game locked up through the first half of his prime years, a bona-fide #1 starter who's been injury free, and an effective, although aging, closer. 75% of teams in baseball can't say that! Obviously Rasmus is untouchable, and they've been grooming him for 2009 -- which was why Jimmy's contract was renegotiated to two years for the same money. He's a stop-gap to Cody. If the Cards could move Reyes and another prospect to get Burnett, who wants to play in St. Louis anyway, that deal has to get done. I'm of the opinion you keep Duncan and Ankiel to man the corner outfield spots, and give them every chance to play every day and prove themselves. Schumaker can fill the So Taguchi role playing everywhere and being a decent option off the bench when Edmonds gets hurt (likely) or needs a rest. I could even see trading off some other small pieces to get a quality third or fourth starter -- someone in the last year of his deal or a youngster who's worn out his welcome with a club, as Reyes has with the Birds. The offense doesn't need a lot of help, although a true leadoff guy would be nice, especially if Rolen can return to form and Yadier can keep improving at the plate. Remember, those Molina brothers were good behind the dish and terrible beside it when they came up, but each has improved his batting stroke as their careers have gone on. There's really only one pitcher on the FA market to look at in the next two years -- Johan Santana. He's probably going to command big bucks, but this is a spot where management could open up the checkbook a bit. He'd be in the middle of his prime, he's dominate more in the NL than he has in the AL, and he's never really been hurt.
As for the draft, the new rules were put in place this year to encourage more teams to draft like the Yankees do -- it makes super-agents (Boras) less effective at holding teams hostage for high picks because of huge signing bonuses, which only the Yankees, Braves, and Boston have been willing to pay. I agree that teams should move above slot for certain players, and that it is more cost effective than taking "safe" players, but some of the best players aren't guys that you reach for, it's guys that nobody else has scouted or looked at!
Burnett? Right.
It's about money.
Send them decent prospects
He came on strong at the end of the year—no telling whether the BJ's GM will see an opportunity to sell high or hold on to a good pitcher.
If we traded for him, would we still be on the hook for his wife's limo rides from Maryland to Toronto?
valid observations fourstick
i don't think the team sacrificed anything by hordeing the prospects. they've only missed the playoffs once in the last four years, so they didn't really sacrifice anything by hanging on to the prospects. and they're gonna be a juggernaut in the next few years. colon's salary comes off the books this year, and there's hitting talent aplenty on the free-agent market. so they'll add a veteran impact hitter to a lineup that's already cheap, young, and improving. i can't find fault with the decisions they've made.
DeWitt and Wisdom
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Q. Did Tony give you any timetable?
A. {snip} I got the sense that it would be in the recently near future. What that means, I can't tell you.
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That is my new favorite phrase, the recently near future. What that means, I can't tell you, either.
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by yer dog first on Oct 5, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
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