pitching for pay
the rockies are lucky they didn't get blown out again; if a couple of just-foul balls had gone fair instead, the score woulda been 6-1, 7-1, something like that. the long layoff seems to have hurt colorado (although their lack of offense in game 1 is probably josh beckett's fault); their pitchers aren't sharp, and they've made mental errors in the field and on the bases. i haven't counted them out just yet, but in the next two games they will start josh fogg --- a finesse pitcher who the patient red sox hitters ought to slaughter --- and aaron cook, who hasn't pitched in over 2 months. don't like their chances.
today's post is heavily numerical. using a method similar to the one azruavatar employed in estimating eckstein's dollar value, i'm trying to establish rough estimates for what the major f.a. pitchers are worth. i'm particularly curious about lohse and silva, the guys most likely to draw interest by our team. before i lay out the method in detail, let me issue the major caveat: these are very crude estimates. i haven't adjusted for age, playing time, or current health status, all of which can affect what a pitcher gets paid; moreover, i'm using only a couple of broad metrics to assess performance. so i don't consider the dollar figures i'm deriving here to be absolutes; not by any stretch. they're only meant to be rough gauges, give-or-takes. if the exercise says pitcher X is worth $8m a year, it doesn't mean that's his precise market worth; it's just a reasonable starting point. a team that offers said pitcher $9.5m a year isn't necessarily overpaying; a closer look at the guy's overall profile might yield evidence justifying the extra investment.
on with the survey.
i looked at 25 pitchers who signed contracts last year, either new free-agent deals or extensions. the two metrics i used to estimate each player's expected level of performance were pitching runs above replacement (PRAR), a Baseball Prospectus stat devised by chris davenport; and win shares, a bill james stat featured at the Hardball Times. in the latter case, i looked only at pitching win shares (excluding a pitcher's hitting and fielding contributions). while neither of these stats expresses a player's value with unassailable precision, they're both trustworthy and have a long track record. moreover, they're both bottom-line metrics: one expresses performance in terms of runs, the other in terms of wins. the goal here is to calculate how much teams are paying, on average, per run and per win. i only looked at last year because a different collective bargaining agreement was in force prior to that, as well as a different national tv contract; changes to both of those deals significantly altered the economics of the game last off-season, so salaries paid out in 2005-06 and before aren't particularly useful for comparison.
again using azruavatar's method, i took a three-year weighted sample of each metric (.50 for the most recent year, .35 for the year prior, .15 for the year prior to that) to derive an expected performance for each pitcher in year 1 of the contract. just to pull out an example: heading into last off-season, barry zito was coming off a 73-PRAR season, preceded by 67- and 52-PRAR years. so the formula is (.50 x 73) + (67*.35) + (52*15) = 67.75. that's our working estimate of zito's expected performance in year 1 of his contract --- 68 runs above replacement level. the average annual salary of his deal was $18m, so we divide $18m by 68 to yield a bottom line, the dollars per run. in zito's case, the quotient was $265,683.
before we go on, another couple of caveats. one obvious weakness in this method of valuation is that zito's contract runs for 7 years, but we're only working with his expected performance in year 1. if i knew of some quick/dirty method for roughing out long-term projections, i would estimate zito's PRAR over all 7 years of his deal --- but a) i know of no such method, and b) no 7-year projection is gonna be accurate, no matter what method you use. even single-year projections of pitching only correlate to reality at about a 50 percent level; by the time you start projection 2 and 3 years out, the numbers aren't particularly meaningful. a second weakness is that zito's salary isn't structured in equal increments; he'll get paid less than $18m for the first couple years of the deal, more than that in the later years. if i wanted greater precision, i'd adjust these valuations to reflect back-loading of contracts --- and in that case i'd also need to factor in the time-value of money and a bunch of other factors that i don't really understand.
i acknowledge those limitations of the survey, and i ain't doing anything about 'em.
rather than post the full table of all 25 pitchers, i'm just gonna provide a link to the spreadsheet for those who want to look it over. for everyone else, here are the overall averages paid to the 25 pitchers last year:
per expected win share: $1,055,627
if we apply last year's average rates to the free-agent class of 2007-08, we arrive at the following estimated values:
| exp 08 PRAR |
exp 08 WS |
exp sal PRAR |
exp sal WA |
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|---|---|---|---|---|
| schilling | 54 | 11.5 | $12.2m | $12.7m |
| glavine | 52 | 12.6 | $11.8m | $13.8m |
| livan | 48 | 10.7 | $10.8m | $11.8m |
| silva | 40 | 9.2 | $9.0m | $10.0m |
| lohse | 38 | 7.7 | $8.6m | $8.5m |
| jennings | 34 | 6.2 | $7.6m | $6.8m |
| lieber | 31 | 6.4 | $7.1m | $7.0m |
| ro lopez | 26 | 5.2 | $5.8m | $5.7m |
| pineiro | 20 | 3.8 | $4.6m | $4.2m |
| weaver | 22 | 3.5 | $5.1m | $3.9m |
you'll note the cardinals are paying pineiro about 50 percent more than his expected salary; he's getting $321K per expected RAR and $1.7m per expected win share, well above last year's average rates. he's in the same category that adam eaton, gil meche, randy wolf, and kip wells were in last off-season --- all were priced above the 06-07 market, with the buyer betting that the pitcher could significantly exceed his recent level of performance.
none of the other values particularly surprises; they all pass the smell test, imho. i left guys like bartolo colon and freddy garcia off the list, owing to their injury status; i did include a couple of surgically enhanced arms (jennings and lopez, who are both coming off flexor-tendon fixes) but found the numbers not to be credible. is somebody really going to pay $7m a year to find out if jason jennings can still throw a baseball? lord help us if they do. . . . . of course, if their injuries drive the bidding down far enough, jennings and lopez might represent buying opportunities; should one of them bounce back, he could be a great bargain (much as chris carpenter was a few years ago). lopez in particular strikes me as likely to go cheap; both he and jennings were traded last spring, but lopez was only perceived to be worth a fringe minor-leaguer, while jennings cost an everyday centerfielder and 2 good pitching prospects. it might be worth plunking down a million or two for the privilege of finding out how lopez looks 6 months after that surgery.
another guy who might go below market is kyle lohse, who doesn't have a power arm and sports a string of ugly won-loss records. while most teams don't actually give a lot of weight anymore to w-l, they can still wield it as an argument at the bargaining table. lohse at $8.5m; pass. lohse at $7m? tempting . . . . . . he's prob'y gonna go for at least $8.5m, though.
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Great post...
Yes
Glavine wouldn't be bad, but the upside is much higher with Schilling in my opinion. He had a pretty good year in 07 when he wasn't hurt. I suppose he is a bit more of an injury risk then Glavine, but I think he would be a great pick up. And if Carp isn't able to get back this year then essentially you are redirecting the insurance money to Schilling's contract.
Long Lay-Off??
long layoff
by bigcardsfan5 on Oct 26, 2007 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that the long layoff isn't the problem..
Yeah
But it was absolutely shocking for me to see a seasoned veteran like Todd Helton taking wild, full-on hacks in the bottom of the ninth. I guess it made some sense--one run would've tied, boston had their closer on the mound, and he was a power threat, but the strikeout just kinda seemed inevitable.
It doesn't help
i don't completely disagree
Good info.
Oh yeah...The rockies just look overmatched. Too bad.
by Beware the Molinas on Oct 26, 2007 10:39 AM EDT reply actions
Livan
Oh yeah Colorado looks way overmatched. My god the Red Sox are just throwing fastballs past a lot of the Rockies hitters. It would be nice if STL had a starting pitcher and a bullpen guy who can both bring 98 like Beckett and Pap.
The FA pitching market is garbage.
good pitching vs bad hitting
The Rockies had their chances last night
the question is...
mgl
by Just Rope Ball on Oct 26, 2007 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
The field at old Busch and Busch III
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-071025cubs,0,1633400.story?coll=chi_tab01_layout
Bossard (White Sox groundskeeper) has done 10 stadiums, including Fenway and now Wrigley. I didn't know he'd done 10. Anyone know if he had a hand in converting Busch II to grass, or doing the field at Busch III?
I don't have a link
PRAR question
Zito's number is going up the last 3 years. Can I assume that the number going up means the pitcher is getting worse?
It's the number of runs
asian starting pitching
by ZVcorvette on Oct 26, 2007 12:22 PM EDT reply actions
Asia
I think the true battle ground is Latin America. You are alreay behind if you are a MLB team that doesn't have an academy or great scouts and development people in Latin America. I hope the Cards have that area covered like sink on you know what.
Oh yeah
It is your cheapest resource and it is a good resource.
Cheap talent
Meche and/or Bannister
How about two...
Sends a message that the team isn't giving up on '08, but allows a fresh start to be made in '09 with what will almost certainly be a better team.
So you'd do all pitching
I guess not...
No where does a precipitous drop off seem imminent (except for the pitchers), so I think the team has a good shot at 775 runs next year. That would have put them at a respectable 8th in the National League.
On the other hand, the starting pitching was terrible and doesn't figure to get better by doing nothing. Wainwright, Looper, Pineiro, Mulder, and ? don't promise much improvement or decline from their respective 2007 performances.
Obviously, getting both Glavine and Schilling for one-year deals isn't likely to happen. Maybe Reyes/Duncan can be moved for someone (though that would put the .820 left-field OPS in jeopardy). The objective is to push Pineiro and Looper back to the #4 and #5 positions in the rotation, have any contribution from Carp/Mulder be gravy, AND not screw up the '09 budget. Tall order...
I hope
I bet we have one....
yea its said the yanks know who
hummmm
Do you think you know who it it? You gonna share that inside info you got?
MLB is too paranoid at times.
espn radio
That Jennings trade
Going from projecting to contribute...
Buchholz is 26 now and can't crack the post-season roster. His future is in long relief.
Hirsh shows alarming similarities to Reyes: dominated AAA, but after 28 big league starts he's got an ERA of +5 and a whip of 1.41. He's a strong flyball pitcher yet he can't even strike out 6 per 9 innings and he walks over 4 per nine. That's alarming. Reyes' problems look manageable by comparison.
Taveras is a Juan Pierre clone with a better arm. With a neutral-luck BABIP (maybe .340 for him) he'll post a sub-.700 OPS. That's not good enough for a starting outfielder regardless of speed and defense.
So the Astros gave up a forth outfielder/pinch runner, a long man, and a busted prospect who might hang on as a 5th starter. Granted these players had slightly more value a year ago (especially Hirsh) and the trade was never advisable, but I think the Stros have dodged a bullet in terms of making an historic blunder.
Descending Colon
USS Mariner has an interesting piece on Bart Colon and his cost/potential benefits.
Interestingly,
THT ranks Colon as the #1 worst player in terms of win shares value at a salary of $9,949,934.
Draw your own conclusions.
As a stealth 5th starter candidate...
He finished the season very badly last year, but he started 16 games for the A's and was somewhat successful (4.03 ERA, 5.05 FIP). He was moved to the bullpen after a couple of bad starts and then got hammered. Anyone have more info about what happened to him? Was he hurt? Even in this terrible season he was much better against lefties than flores, so at the very least he'd be a viable option for a LOOGY.
I wouldn't want to give him a guaranteed contract, but if he's healthy a spring training invite might be an idea.
We've got the market cornered
Who is going to replace Valatan?
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Oct 26, 2007 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
Fantastic analysis
Couple points:
- I wonder if it isn't undervaluing Lieber though. If we set his 07 PRAR to his 06 level, he makes around 9M (same for WS).
- Lohse's agent is Scott Boras so I'd be surprised if he comes on the cheap.
- Also, plugging Burnett into the spreadsheet garners him an average salary of 12M a year -- the cardinals really missed out on that (non)signing but he has an opt-out clause for next year when he'll be entering his age 32 season. I'd expect him to opt out barring a serious injury this season.
Antonetti anyone?
I really hope they offered him a job.
Looking good
That's encouraging! I think a lot of us here felt the biggest snag in netting Antonetti would be Luhnow.



















