World Series Game 2 Open Thread
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by now Valatan should have received his gold watch and plaque . . . . in case you missed it, yesterday was his last regular wednesday post. he'll still be hanging out in the comments and making the occasional appearance on the front page, but he's giving up the once-a-week gig. i want to add my thanks and appreciation to all the statements that were posted yesterday. V was one of the very first members of this community and has always been an active and positive agent in it. as far as i know, he's the only one among us who witnessed pujols' shot off brad lidge in person. while i do have to question his priorities (a doctorate more important than baseball??), i wish him all the success in the world. thanks for ev'ything, V man.
various and sundry items from around the world:
- rotoworld is reporting that the cards released mike maroth. too bad he didn't work out; maroth seemed like a solid guy.
- on the subject of left-handed F.A. pitchers: with tom glavine being touted as a potential signee by the cardinals, i decided to look up the all-time single-season leaders among 42-year-old pitchers (that'll be glavine's age next year). only 12 pitchers in history have won as many as 10 games at that age; however, 4 of those seasons came in the last 2 years (moyer, clemens, wells, and randy johnson), so it can be argued that 10 wins is now a realistic goal for a pitcher of that age. only 10 pitchers in history have thrown as many as 184 innings at age 42, but again, 4 of those instances happened in 2005 or 2006 (the same 4 guys who recorded 10+ wins). here's one that's not so easily explained away: only 10 42-year-old pitchers in history have posted an era of 3.89 or lower, and only 2 of those occurred within the last 25 years --- one by clemens, the other by nolan ryan. glavine has been a great pitcher, but he ain't no clemens or ryan. so it would seem prudent for whoever acquires him to assume a best-case scenario of 200 innings with an era in the low 4.00s. david wells at age 42 put up a 4.45 era; jamie moyer, 4.28. glavine's era last year was 4.45, and after june 1 (his last 22 starts) it was 5.03. his FIPs the last three seasons have been 3.98, 4.35, and 4.82. . . . . . lots more discussion in this diary.
- during joe strauss' chat yesterday, somebody asked if any current minor leaguers had a realistic shot at making the team out of spring training. strauss replied: "Here's a name to chew on: Mike Parisi as stealth fifth starter." and here i thought i was the only person who gave parisi even the most remote chance of ever pitching in st louis. but apparently at least one source inside the organization considers parisi a sleeper and dropped his name to strauss. (my guess is the name-dropper was mozeliak, who drafted parisi.) the kid also has been mentioned twice at Bird Land in recent days, as a player likely to be added to the 40-man and a guy with one very good pitch (his sinker). should we cheer the fact that a player of such limited achievements is being discussed, however fleetingly, as a longshot candidate for promotion? i think so. while parisi has never displayed the potential to be a good major-league player, i think he has a shot to be a useful one --- a guy who can haul innings and take some pressure off the payroll. better a guy like that than a guy like ramon ortiz (or mike maroth, for that matter). if parisi does make the team, it'll be a fluke; he'll come to camp listed 7th or 8th on the depth chart, as he should. but i was surprised (pleasantly so) by strauss' answer. if nothing else, the big-league coaching staff will be paying attention when parisi takes the mound next march.
- they'll be watching with even greater interest when mitchell boggs throws. derrick goold's blog entry about him this morning includes some praise from Baseball America's will lingo (who called boggs the cards' future workhorse). he doesn't look ready yet --- one set of 2007 MLEs that i saw translated boggs' line at springfield into a 7.00+ era at the big-league level. but let's see where he stands by this august, after 20 starts in triple A; let's see where he stands by next spring. boggs has shown the potential to be more than just useful; he has a realistic shot to become an average (or better) big-league pitcher.
- cardinal farmhand bryan anderson is keeping a journal for Team USA. he posted his first item yesterday (hat tip, Future Redbirds). at 20, anderson is the youngest guy on the team; here's the full roster (which includes stl prospects colby rasmus and chris perez). rick eckstein is the 3d-base coach, former cardinal reggie smith is the hitting coach, and long-ago nemesis davey johnson (mgr of the ol' 1980s-era pond-scums) is the team skipper. former big-league gm bob watson is also involved in an administrative capacity. good taste of the major-league life for all these guys.
- e-mail from a cardinal fan who grew up in wisconsin: "i remember jd drew NOT playing catch with the milwaukee brewers ball-girl [during pre-inning warmups]. am i imagining this? does he not play catch with anyone prior to the inning, or does he just not play with women? my red sox loving friend doesn't believe me, and i am starting to doubt myself. please help." anybody?
- finally, here's a nice piece of writing about why the red sox are no longer lovable.
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Parisi
Ludwick got called up later that day.
Christianson is also terrible. One of the worst arms I've ever seen on a C. No wonder they had to get Stinnett when Yadi went down.
by thepainguy on Oct 25, 2007 9:36 AM EDT 0 recs
I thought Christianson was on the DL when
by outraged on
Oct 25, 2007 10:18 AM EDT
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Brian Esposito
It is a well-noted fact that the Memphis catchers are Dreadful.
by stl tyler on
Oct 25, 2007 12:36 PM EDT
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Pitcher batting 8th
by Yadier on Oct 25, 2007 9:46 AM EDT 0 recs
But...
Doesn't that happen three or four times a game regardless?
by Alxfritz on
Oct 25, 2007 10:01 AM EDT
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I've never checked myself...
by cardzfanbub on
Oct 25, 2007 10:13 AM EDT
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Well
by joker24 on
Oct 25, 2007 10:21 AM EDT
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And the reason is pretty evident:
by Valatan on
Oct 25, 2007 10:25 AM EDT
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Perhaps it is just over simplication on my part
by Yadier on
Oct 25, 2007 1:21 PM EDT
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The effect lies
So the idea is that you put your really high OBP guys at the top of the lineup to get more AB's, and move the pitcher up a few spots to maintain the distance between him and your best hitter. The lineup tools really say that the best lineups have Pujols in the 1 or 2 hole (more AB's) and the pitcher in the 6 or 7 hole. Why? There's just not that much difference between the bottom of the order hitters and the pitcher but batting Pujols 1st or 2nd will get him, maybe 50 more AB's throughout the course of the year -- with 2 or 3 legitimate hitters in front of him (except for in the first).
And, as someone else correctly stated, every lineup tool demonstrates this effect.
by houstoncardinal on
Oct 25, 2007 2:53 PM EDT
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I got to see the Lidge shot in person as well.
Now that Maroth is gone, it looks like Bennett will be the next casualty. TLR commented on 1380 that we're looking for a backup catcher, so it seems unlikely his option will be picked up.
http://www.stltoday.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5041660&highlight=#5041660
by outraged on Oct 25, 2007 9:55 AM EDT 0 recs
Let's have a moment of silence
by stl tyler on
Oct 25, 2007 12:39 PM EDT
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I recall that moment
by sdrone on
Oct 25, 2007 12:44 PM EDT
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I told
by rocKStark5 on
Oct 25, 2007 12:59 PM EDT
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I even have

by rocKStark5 on
Oct 25, 2007 1:03 PM EDT
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Hey, I may be crazy but
by sdrone on
Oct 25, 2007 1:20 PM EDT
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heh
Is it Jose Molina time? ;)
by outraged on
Oct 25, 2007 2:17 PM EDT
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Let's just
by stl tyler on
Oct 25, 2007 5:16 PM EDT
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being in the same company w/strauss
all that being said, i wouldn't totally rule out parisi being a 5th starter. he had a better season then his teammate blake hawksworth.
by erik on Oct 25, 2007 10:11 AM EDT 0 recs
But
by cardsgirl95 on
Oct 25, 2007 10:28 AM EDT
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....my thoughts
by MrPlow on
Oct 25, 2007 10:53 AM EDT
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he also covers the cardinals
by erik on
Oct 25, 2007 12:27 PM EDT
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V
by wannabeGedman on
Oct 25, 2007 6:37 PM EDT
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I just wanted to thank Clint Hurdle
Sorry, I'm a bit bitter after last night's game.
by sdrone on Oct 25, 2007 10:28 AM EDT 0 recs
Point taken...
by cardzfanbub on
Oct 25, 2007 10:37 AM EDT
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What LaRussa did?
by joker24 on
Oct 25, 2007 11:53 AM EDT
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hummm
Reyes (our worst starter) vs. Verlander (Best)
Beckett (best) vs. Francis (best)
Maybe the poster was saying never start your best vs the other teams best unless you are sure that your best is better. The Rockies need only a split at Boston so why not start Josh Fogg or Jimenez game 1 vs. Beckett and then start your best in Game 2. Maybe that is what the poster was getting at??? That is too much thinking in my opinion. I don't know what you do there as Beckett is just a whole nother pitcher in the post season.
by ICbirdfan on
Oct 25, 2007 12:12 PM EDT
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Thats exactly what I thought
by Birds on the Matt on
Oct 25, 2007 12:17 PM EDT
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You know
It is a lot of hinsight but I don't think your idea is bad at all. I like leveraging your rotation. Either way you are going to get second guessed.
by ICbirdfan on
Oct 25, 2007 12:26 PM EDT
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and then follow
However, this means that you (as manager) have implied that your #1 is not good enough to stand a real chance, and told your hitters that they are not good enough to give your #1 a real chance.... risky psychology.
by cdb on
Oct 25, 2007 2:23 PM EDT
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I thought
by cardsgirl95 on
Oct 25, 2007 12:24 PM EDT
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Guys
Had Carpenter been rested and ready and he hadn't thrown...I would've rioted all by myself.
by joker24 on
Oct 25, 2007 12:33 PM EDT
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Game 1
by UNCDubya on
Oct 25, 2007 2:45 PM EDT
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Therefore
by joker24 on
Oct 25, 2007 3:01 PM EDT
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Right
Francis is most likely off his game.
In my mind, that game against Beckett is the game you are most likely to lose. By far. Regardless of whom you start.
by sdrone on
Oct 25, 2007 12:33 PM EDT
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Beckett being "a whole nother pitcher"
I may be all wrong. I just figure it has a better chance of working out for you (i.e. getting out of Boston with a split) if you start Francis in game 2.
by sdrone on
Oct 25, 2007 12:36 PM EDT
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It's not like Francis pitched a stellar
by Valatan on
Oct 25, 2007 12:53 PM EDT
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I.e.
by Valatan on
Oct 25, 2007 12:54 PM EDT
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reg season
by cdb on
Oct 25, 2007 2:25 PM EDT
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Yea, but...
by eglasier on
Oct 25, 2007 1:15 PM EDT
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Ugly
by ICbirdfan on Oct 25, 2007 10:49 AM EDT 0 recs
I think it certainly would have mattered
by sdrone on
Oct 25, 2007 11:26 AM EDT
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Boggs
by RedbirdRay on Oct 25, 2007 11:02 AM EDT 0 recs
Come on now
[UPDATE: cards hire antonetti as gm, press conference at 2 pm]
(lack of capitalization thrown in for full lboros effect)
And yet, I still come up empty. Man I hope we get that guy!
by Mr Redbird on Oct 25, 2007 12:38 PM EDT 0 recs
GM
- Improve Latin America scouting
- Improve player development.
by ICbirdfan on
Oct 25, 2007 1:16 PM EDT
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He won't have control over either of those.
by outraged on
Oct 25, 2007 2:25 PM EDT
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Good summary:
But this remark I hadn't seen before: "La Russa said Oct. 1 that if he returned for a 13th season as manager, he would lobby aggressively against trading left fielder Chris Duncan."
Otherwise happy to hear the tone of discussions with Eck sounds as though he'll be left to test FA market. (and likely move on).
But if we need to work a trade, and one of the many left handed OFs isn't on offer, who is?
by Birds on the Bat on Oct 25, 2007 1:19 PM EDT 0 recs
Good, I agree with that
- Power in LF
- Power at 1B is Pujols gets injured
by Hardcore Legend on
Oct 25, 2007 1:46 PM EDT
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Agreed
by ICbirdfan on
Oct 25, 2007 2:13 PM EDT
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Pink Sox
GO Rockies
by WizardofOz on Oct 25, 2007 1:30 PM EDT 0 recs
couple of theories
- The Sox are the trend of the moment...like Yankees hats. The brand spanking new hats are pretty lame. Ugh.
- But, then again, merchandisers have finally figured out that us female baseball fans want some gear made for a girl, ala touch by Alyssa Milano. You can get pink hats for virtually every MLB team. I personally prefer the traditional look, but it's not all bad.
by cardsgirlinAR on
Oct 25, 2007 1:55 PM EDT
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This girl wears a lot of pink in October.....
by jillsinmo on
Oct 25, 2007 6:03 PM EDT
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i was wondering...
by bigcardsfan5 on
Oct 25, 2007 8:00 PM EDT
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I have....
Real men wear anything that looks good.
by Brock20 on
Oct 25, 2007 8:07 PM EDT
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I work in an elementary school, and even
by jillsinmo on
Oct 25, 2007 9:44 PM EDT
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Real fans wear team colors
by ChiTown CardFan on
Oct 25, 2007 2:22 PM EDT
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Just curious
by Solanus on
Oct 25, 2007 4:55 PM EDT
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not sure if you noticed
by Birds on the Matt on
Oct 25, 2007 2:23 PM EDT
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that and...
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Oct 25, 2007 5:56 PM EDT
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Todd Helton
That seems like an awfully long contract (and expensive as well) for a team that really tries to keep costs down. He's surely going to be headed downhill when that contract ends.
- What does everyone think of contracts that long that aren't for someone named Pujols?
- Were the Rockies in a position in 2003 that they needed to hand out a pretty generous contract to keep him on the team?
by sdrone on Oct 25, 2007 2:13 PM EDT 0 recs
helton
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Oct 25, 2007 3:07 PM EDT
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you're absolutely correct
you may recall that the rox actively shopped todd in the offseason - and very aggressively to the red sox (oh sweet irony). while his former power wasn't there, he had a strong offensive season and a likely gold-glove winning defensive season.
in answer to 1 - i'd be surprised if there is much evidence out there to support contracts of that length - given injury risks, opportunity costs and the like.
2. the brief answer is no. but at that time, he was the face and hope of the franchise.
by sdesserman on
Oct 25, 2007 3:10 PM EDT
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It may have been a face of the franchise type
by outraged on Oct 25, 2007 2:35 PM EDT 0 recs
oops
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Oct 25, 2007 2:35 PM EDT
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Red Sox not loveable?
by bigJOE on Oct 25, 2007 3:42 PM EDT 0 recs
Shame about maroth
by bigJOE on Oct 25, 2007 3:44 PM EDT 0 recs
Bennett
I guess shopping for a backup catcher is a bit like shopping for socks.
I don't really have much to say about Maroth. it sounded like a good idea, and it worked for exactly one day. hopefully he'll have better luck somewhere else, preferably in the AL.
by madding on Oct 25, 2007 4:03 PM EDT 0 recs
Back up Catcher
Soto will be making about $345,000 and starting next year.
I bet the Cubs have the highest paid back up in baseball. Wow, that is a lot of money for Henry Blanco.
by ICbirdfan on
Oct 25, 2007 5:15 PM EDT
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That Soto kid looked really
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