team offense projection: ZIPS
in case you missed it, the much-anticipated cardinal ZIPS projections were posted on saturday. pretty lively discussion ensued in this thread, including some sharp exchanges about whether projections are or aren't a complete waste of time. i'd just as soon not rekindle that argument; it gets tiresome pretty quickly. if you think projections don't have any merit, then today's post isn't for you. just move on and come back another day. but fire away if you want to discuss the accuracy of particular projections for individual players. if you think that, say, chris duncan is more likely to slug .557 than the .457 to which ZIPS projects him, have at it --- and take a shot at explaining what factor(s) you think ZIPS is overlooking.
what i'm gonna do today is use the individual player projections as the basis for a guesstimate about where the cardinals stand as a team. pretty straightforward process: i'll make a few assumptions about roles and playing time, adjust the ZIPS figures accordingly, and crunch a few numbers. i did much the same thing last off-season using PECOTA projections and concluded that the cardinals would score about 780 runs (that's the title of the post); they actually scored 781. here's the full guesstimated line, vs the team's actual performance:
| AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | BB | | | AVG | OBP | SLG | |
| projected | 5535 | 1480 | 288 | 26 | 171 | 548 | | | .267 | .340 | .421 |
| actual | 5522 | 1484 | 292 | 27 | 184 | 531 | | | .269 | .337 | .431 |
i may not be as lucky this time around, and ZIPS may not be as on-target this year as PECOTA was last year; that's all understood. it's also understood that many of the assumptions on which i based last year's forecast (viz. spivey, bigbie, and deivi cruz on the roster) were wildly off-base; no need to point all that out. even with all those caveats, this exercise helped us fumble toward a damn accurate forecast last year; might as well take another shot at it. in fact, i'll probably run the same test again when the PECOTA figures come out (they're due next week), and adjust assumptions as the roster changes and roles are clarified during spring training.
so let's get started. to begin with, we can safely assume (based on current information) that the following 13 players will constitute the core roster:
infielders: pujols, kennedy, eckstein, rolen, miles, spiezio
outfielders: duncan, edmonds, encarnacion, taguchi, j-rod
catchers: molina, bennett
if we take ZIPS' projections for those 13 guys, toss in 300 at-bats for the pitchers (using 2006 league averages for pitcher batting), and add it all up, here's what we get:
| AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | BB | | | AVG | OBP | SLG | ||||
| pujols | 566 | 181 | 37 | 1 | 48 | 99 | | | .320 | .423 | .643 | |||
| edmonds | 401 | 105 | 28 | 1 | 24 | 71 | | | .262 | .372 | .516 | |||
| rolen | 481 | 138 | 37 | 2 | 22 | 59 | | | .287 | .371 | .509 | |||
| duncan | 455 | 121 | 22 | 1 | 21 | 55 | | | .266 | .346 | .457 | |||
| encarnacion | 442 | 117 | 22 | 2 | 12 | 28 | | | .265 | .315 | .405 | |||
| kennedy | 440 | 120 | 23 | 3 | 4 | 34 | | | .273 | .332 | .366 | |||
| eckstein | 514 | 145 | 20 | 2 | 3 | 39 | | | .282 | .346 | .346 | |||
| molina | 423 | 98 | 21 | 0 | 8 | 24 | | | .232 | .273 | .338 | |||
| miles | 426 | 117 | 17 | 3 | 3 | 26 | | | .275 | .319 | .350 | |||
| rodriguez | 333 | 90 | 20 | 3 | 13 | 35 | | | .270 | .344 | .465 | |||
| taguchi | 305 | 84 | 16 | 1 | 3 | 21 | | | .275 | .324 | .364 | |||
| spiezio | 277 | 68 | 13 | 2 | 8 | 31 | | | .245 | .328 | .394 | |||
| bennett | 174 | 39 | 8 | 0 | 2 | 16 | | | .224 | .292 | .305 | |||
| pitchers | 300 | 45 | 6 | 0 | 2 | 10 | | | .150 | .177 | .190 | |||
| TOTAL | 5537 | 1468 | 290 | 21 | 173 | 548 | | | .265 | .338 | .419 | |||
| 2006 | 5552 | 1484 | 292 | 27 | 184 | 531 | | | .269 | .337 | .431 |
per bill james' basic runs created formula (available at this link), this offense would be expected to score about 784 runs --- roughly the same number that last year's offense scored. (note: i added 60 team hbps to the formula, so if you're checking my math or playing around with these figures, include a "team hbp" line in your spreadsheet.) but how can this be? our projection calls for no change in the team's on-base pct, and a 12-point drop in slugging average; shouldn't the number of runs decrease? yes, it should --- but it doesn't because last year's cardinals undershot their runs-created target. the '06 team "should" (per runs created) have scored 804 runs but didn't, due either to random variance or to a deficiency in some offensive component that the runs-created formula doesn't measure. for whatever reason, the whole offense last season was 23 runs worse than the sum of its parts. so even though the 2007 offense does, in fact, project to be slightly less potent than the 2006 version, with a little more efficiency it might score just as many runs.
onward after the jump . . . .
our projected roster makes some patently unlikely assumptions. for starters, we've got a full season's complement of at-bats, but only 13 position players doing the batting; that's bogus. last year 21 (or so) different position players took at-bats for the cardinals, and in most years the number's even higher. there will be injuries, trades, callups; gotta account for that. so we'll add a generic "replacement player" line, which will represent the at-bats that will be taken by this year's iterations of timo perez, skip schumaker, and jose vizcaino. if you're feeling bitter toward the ownership, call it the "DFA line." i'll set the following wild-ass-guess parameters for this parcel of plate appearances: rate stats of .260 / .315 / .370, with one double per 25 at-bats, one triple per 200 at-bats, one homer per 50 at-bats, and one walk per 12 at-bats.
we also have to adjust some of the individual projections to reflect each player's likely role and playing-time allotment. ZIPS might think john rodriguez merits 333 at-bats, and you or i might give him that many, but he's not going to play that much. likewise, juan encarnacion's estimate of 442 at-bats is probably too low; he's been well above that in each of the last five seasons. eckstein will probably surpass his ZIPS-projected playing time, so we'll bump it up; correspondingly, miles probably won't get 425 at-bats.
with these adjustments, the projected stat sheet comes out like so:
| AB | H | 2B | 3B | HR | BB | | | AVG | OBP | SLG | RC/27 | |||
| pujols | 566 | 181 | 37 | 1 | 48 | 99 | | | .320 | .423 | .643 | 10.7 | ||
| edmonds | 401 | 105 | 28 | 1 | 24 | 71 | | | .262 | .372 | .516 | 7.2 | ||
| rolen | 520 | 149 | 40 | 2 | 24 | 64 | | | .287 | .371 | .509 | 7.0 | ||
| duncan | 455 | 121 | 22 | 1 | 21 | 55 | | | .266 | .346 | .457 | 5.8 | ||
| encarnacion | 525 | 139 | 26 | 2 | 14 | 33 | | | .265 | .315 | .405 | 4.6 | ||
| kennedy | 440 | 120 | 23 | 3 | 4 | 34 | | | .273 | .332 | .366 | 4.4 | ||
| eckstein | 560 | 158 | 22 | 2 | 3 | 42 | | | .282 | .346 | .346 | 4.3 | ||
| molina | 423 | 98 | 21 | 0 | 8 | 24 | | | .232 | .273 | .338 | 3.2 | ||
| miles | 300 | 82 | 12 | 2 | 2 | 18 | | | .275 | .319 | .350 | 4.1 | ||
| rodriguez | 150 | 41 | 9 | 1 | 6 | 16 | | | .270 | .344 | .465 | 5.8 | ||
| taguchi | 305 | 84 | 16 | 1 | 3 | 21 | | | .275 | .324 | .364 | 4.4 | ||
| spiezio | 277 | 68 | 13 | 2 | 8 | 31 | | | .245 | .328 | .394 | 4.5 | ||
| bennett | 174 | 39 | 8 | 0 | 2 | 16 | | | .224 | .292 | .305 | 3.1 | ||
| DFAs | 144 | 37 | 6 | 1 | 3 | 12 | | | .260 | .315 | .370 | 4.2 | ||
| pitchers | 300 | 45 | 6 | 0 | 2 | 10 | | | .150 | .177 | .190 | 1.1 | ||
| TOTAL | 5540 | 1468 | 289 | 20 | 172 | 546 | | | .265 | .338 | .419 | |||
| 2006 | 5552 | 1484 | 292 | 27 | 184 | 531 | | | .269 | .337 | .431 |
after all that tinkering, our bottom line has hardly changed; this permuatation of the roster projects to 781 runs created, or 3 runs fewer than the unadjusted estimate. you'll note i added a column to this table, runs created per game (RC/27); it suggests that the cards have four good offensive players, one decent hitter on the bench, two terrible-hitting catchers, and about half a dozen interchangeable parts.
to check our bottom-line conclusion, let's feed some numbers into david pinto's lineup toy. it's a much simpler tool, only measuring the production of the 9 starting players. according to it, this lineup
- eckstein
- duncan
- pujols
- rolen
- edmonds
- encarnacion
- kennedy
- molina
- pitcher
tomorrow i'll run this same exercise for the pitching staff; it's far more complicated, because there are so many more variables involved.
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Bennett has an Albert Pujols- like weekend
jk but bennett's line should be
.224 .292 .305
for the rate stats
by azruavatar on Jan 8, 2007 9:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Stats are wild.
by sdrone on Jan 8, 2007 9:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pythagorean
by bdief on Jan 8, 2007 10:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully lots
Per our composite rotation slots:
STL ERA -- #1 - 3.09 #2 - 4.12 #3 - 5.10 #4 - 5.68 #5 - 6.59
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/how-good-is-your-4-starter
by plh903 on Jan 8, 2007 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
THat article
While Carpenter might (might)regress slightly, I've got to feel like slot #2 will remain about the same if you count Reyes as our #2. Even if Braden Looper is our 5th starter, spots 3, 4, and 5 are almost automatic upgrades, yeah?
Also, I expect the bullpen to chew up more innings this year, as I expect LaRussa/Duncan to treat Reyes and Wainwright's arms as if they were made of porcelin. Given the stockpile of arms we have and how particular LaRussa is in using them, I think that's an advantage, right?
by ilillillli on Jan 8, 2007 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
60+ fewer runs allowed
by bdief on Jan 8, 2007 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just for fun...
Also, as far as free agent long-shots....
Ryan Drese
Jerome Williams
They're both young-ish groundballers. Drese has a 200 inning season under his belt, Williams has one with and ERA under 4.
Anyone?
by ilillillli on Jan 8, 2007 10:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jerome Williams couldn't
by sdrone on Jan 8, 2007 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They didn't have room...
by ilillillli on Jan 8, 2007 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahahah
Williams seemed like he'd get a good start, then allow 4 runs in the first.
Cub fans here hated him - I actually thought he'd do well with the change of scenery.
by sdrone on Jan 8, 2007 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you proposing...
cuz...
"seemed like he'd get a good start, then allow 4 runs in the first. I actually thought he'd do well with the change of scenery.."
that could be Jason Marquis.
Hendry, you're a genius!
kidding.
by ilillillli on Jan 8, 2007 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure that'd get him
by sdrone on Jan 8, 2007 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't Wood and Prior...
by svengali on Jan 8, 2007 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
williams
by dmb60614 on Jan 8, 2007 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say it again
by joker24 on Jan 8, 2007 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerome Williams
....at the right price. The latest reports referred to a guaranteed MLB contract would be enough to land him (so far he has just received spring training invites). I'd pay him the MLB minimum for a few simple reasons:
- He is has a career 4.00 ERA Starter
- He will play next year at 26
- He had a 4.25 ERA for the Cubs in 95 (my guesstimate is that park adjusted for STL we would be looking at a 4.00 equivalent)
- He could be had at ~ $0.4M and if there was upside would be under team control for three years thereafter
My master plan would be to offer Jerome Williams a contract along with Kurt Ainsworth and Dewon Brazelton AAA contracts.
Then, (as I mentioned before) I would try to pry away either Yusmerio Petit from the Marlins (who is 22 and reportedly could be had for a decent RP) and/or Juan Cruz for the Diamondbacks (who is likely an odd man out for the Dbacks).
That would leave us with the following people commpeting for the #5 spot:
- Juan Cruz (electric stuff and 4.2 Coors light ERA, #2 ceiling IMO)
- Jerome Williams (MLB average stuff - think Soup but much younger)
- Dewon Brazelton (Top prospect as recently as 04, 25 or 26 years old with good stuff - excellent dunc project and MRP)
- Brad Thompson
- Kurt Ainsworth (for not particular reason I really like this guy...)
- Yusmerio Petit in AAA - He'll put up the numbers
- Narveson
Compare these 7 to signing Trachsel at 1Y, 5M. I would rather have these seven personally, win or lose.
We won with Chris Carpenter and lost with Brett Tomko, but this would give us a fighting chance of projects.....
Easy to say if I'm not Dave Duncan!
by Lawless on Jan 8, 2007 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Projection most likely to come true....
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 8, 2007 10:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
by ilillillli on Jan 8, 2007 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those projections seem pretty on for 2007
For Edmonds, that projection has him mainting his current HR rate, which he had with his bad left shoulder.
If you go off his 3-year average (which does include his MVP-esque 2004) he is more likely to hit closer to 30 HRs in ~400 ABs if healthy.
Rolen really is a crap shoot. Is he going to be able to resume weight training this off-season and build strength back in that shoulder or will he maintain his current contact over power approach.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 8, 2007 11:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
5 Runs per game
Can ANYONE tell me what percentage of teams make the playoffs when they score 5 or more runs per game??????????
Thanks in advance.
by Born in 82 on Jan 8, 2007 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have to think
Ugh...they better get some good pitching.
And I would be all for Jerome Williams.
by ryanisforever on Jan 8, 2007 11:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What is all this talk about Jerome Williams??
by TurdFerguson on Jan 8, 2007 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was messing around with that lineup toy
The impetus was that Duncan, Edmonds, and Kennedy, to some extent, crushed right-handers last year, and were miserable against southpaws. I bumped their ZiPS by as much as their career lines differ against RHP/LHP. I sat those three guys and replaced them with the ZiPS from Miles, Gooch, and Marrero against RHP.
So with a lineup facing right-handers of: Eckstein, Duncan, Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Juan, Kennedy, Molina, and P, I'll call this lineup A.
RPG vs. RHP - 5.14
with the replacements of Miles, Marrero, and Gooch against left-handers, lineup B,
RPG vs. LHP - 4.66
I gave lineup A 120 starts, and lineup B 42 starts
Lineup A - 617 runs
Lineup B - 196 runs
total - 813 runs
Then I tried replacing Taguchi with Craig Wilson (I used his career line against LHers), and Encarnacion with JRod.
Lineup A - 630 runs
Lineup B - 205 runs
total - 835
Edmonds still hit right-handers to the tune of a .947 OPS last year, Duncan, we all know, destroyed them at a rate over 1.000, in this projection I used about a .920 for Duncan, and a .930 for Edmonds. Definitely within reach. For Kennedy I only bumped his OPS by 23 pts. I would expect better from him though given his career numbers, and the league and park switch, if I'm thinking about all that correctly.
I added Wilson and JRod just for fun because those are two things that I would like to see happen. Obviously, we can't carry a gazillion outfielders unless Marrero is carried over Bennett--which I don't see happening.
by plh903 on Jan 8, 2007 11:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why .860?
318 .390 .644 1.034
by ryanisforever on Jan 8, 2007 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because
I am sure there is a better way to do it, but that was the quickest way I could think of to stay true to the ZiPS and squeeze a split out of them at the same time.
by plh903 on Jan 8, 2007 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Statistics help needed
If it is st. sig, then "random variance" can be removed from the possible causes, and I think you have a very interesting inquiry: given the amount of data, and therefore the reliability of these projections, why did we underperform so badly last year. Was it management, lack of clutch hitting, something else? And then there's the most important question: whatever the conclusion, are we doing something to correct for it this year?
by Secret Weapon on Jan 8, 2007 12:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's a margin-of-error issue
fwiw, in 2005 they outscored their runs-created projection by 12 runs or so (or about 1.5 pct).
by lboros on Jan 8, 2007 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, projections are great,
by silent_bob on Jan 8, 2007 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember, Secret,
Someone correct me if I'm mistaken, please.
by silent_bob on Jan 8, 2007 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sure it doesn't consider...
then, when you consider that one of TLR's goals every Spring is never to use the same line-up twice, it gets even harder to predict perfectly. to wit, even if we knew everyone's exact ABs and exact production, it still wouldn't necessarily give us a true result, because these line-up toys assume a specific batting order, which TLR deviates from constantly. in some cases, it might not matter much, but it could have some effect.
by kindred on Jan 8, 2007 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kindred your post got me thinking
Like you said, it may cost some runs when averaged across a 162 game season, but it pays dividends in the playoffs.
IMO, that's where Moneyball falls short - in the postseason. You can rely on OBP all you want, but when your guys can't go from 1st to 3rd, you're not going to win the Series.
by silent_bob on Jan 8, 2007 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yes -
by sdrone on Jan 8, 2007 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were a manager I'd
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 8, 2007 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2 huge misconceptions about "Moneyball"
#2. Oakland's playoff success was NOT a result of their inability to produce runs.
Just setting some parameters: the average playoff game scores 8.57 runs, meaning that 5+ runs should be enough to win, 4 gives a good chance, 3 leaves a chance but not really, 2-1-0 is not getting it done.
In '03 they scored 5, 5, 1, 4, and 3 runs in their five playoff games. That's not overwhelming by any means, but that is enough to win a series. Their pitching was the bigger problem.
In '02, they scored 5, 9, 6, 2 and 4 runs. That should've been more than enough to win a series. Their pitching failed them.
In '01, they scored 5, 2, 0, 2, and 3 runs. Their offense actually failed them.
In '00, they scored 5, 0, 2, 11, and 5 runs. 3 very good, 2 horrible. Pitching was the bigger problem.
Draw from all that whatever conclusions about the A's that you want, just understand that saying "manufacturing runs is what cost the A's" isn't true.
by joker24 on Jan 8, 2007 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't stop thinking about
It was also one of the most unforgettable innings I've ever seen.
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 8, 2007 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really wish he would of slid
I never would've had to hear how great a play that was, how great Jeter was for making it, how great Jeter was for being on the field, how great Jeter is, how great Jeter made the flip, how great Jeter looked after he made the flip, how great Jeter was when he went back to the dugout after the flip, how great that flip by Jeter looked and the general greatness of Jeter. Also wouldn't have to hear [as much] GroupThink garbage about "Moneyball" probably.
Why oh why did you not slide Jeremy Giambi?
by joker24 on Jan 8, 2007 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 8, 2007 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i never said it was...
not only does his "shit not work in the playoffs," i doubt it'd even work in the National League. when pitchers have to bat (or a PH who is usually not as good as a starter), you have to be able to improvise some. i think TLR usually does this pretty well. in addition, when you eliminate the DH - an XBH slugger usually - the likelihood of the proverbial "three-run homer" becomes less likely.
but TLR sometimes guesses wrong; there were a fair number of botched squeezes this season, and plenty of botched hit-and-runs also. if TLR generally took a less-aggressive strategy, the team might've scored more runs. they might've scored fewer. of course, it's impossible to know for sure.
you're right, tho: the A's failure in the playoffs really has nothing to do with Moneyball. in nearly every playoff series they've been in since Beane took over, the team has simply been out-manned. and, were it not for Jeter's nice play (and Hatteberg's inexplicable decision not to slide into home), their recent history might be pretty different.
by kindred on Jan 8, 2007 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Last one wasn't a response to you
by joker24 on Jan 8, 2007 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing I noticed
by ArkansasTravs on Jan 8, 2007 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, that PECOTA projection
On the question of why the offense underperformed in terms of actual runs scored versus the runs created algorithm, this is just my impression, but it seemed like there was a significant period of time last season when the offense was being carried, to significant degree, by one person - by Pujols when he was healthy, by Rolen and others when he wasn't. Is it possible that the Cards missed a lot of run-scoring opportunities because they frequently weren't able to follow one hit with another? In other words, would insanely good production from one player, but bad performance by others that prevents capitalizing on that production, balance to what runs created would measure at a certain level but which would lead to a lower level of actual runs produced?
by nycbirdo on Jan 8, 2007 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I do remember...
by Harknights on Jan 8, 2007 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well
we had say bases loading
I just want to say, that when I read that, I heard it in the voice of some Bronson Pinchot character.
Lastly, I agree with all that other stuff you said.
by plh903 on Jan 8, 2007 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
had to be
he couldnt say axel for any reason
by bigcardsfan5 on Jan 8, 2007 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm begining to think
Bases loading?!? Maybe Pujols will make a Home Runs and we will score 4 points. That's good isn't it?
by Harknights on Jan 8, 2007 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Playing from Behind Mentality
I say that in how Pujols expanded the strike zone to try and increase the offense due to the lack of our normal offense during points of last year, and I wonder if we anticipate a better pitching staff by addition-through-subtraction, then perhaps our offense may improve somewhat simply by having a little less pressure to perform.
by jimstllax on Jan 8, 2007 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
very interesting
by nycbirdo on Jan 8, 2007 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pujols for 48?
anyway, i'd take the under on that number in a heartbeat
by royalsreview on Jan 8, 2007 3:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
49 in an injury shortened season
by joker24 on Jan 8, 2007 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hall of Fame Debate
by Yadier on Jan 8, 2007 4:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Something I just read about Edmonds
That and Jim "The Cat" Hayes is no longer on the Morning Grind. double ouch.
by TICY on Jan 8, 2007 4:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
by sdrone on Jan 8, 2007 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I thought he just had turf toe
So does that make a shoulder and a foot surgery?
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 8, 2007 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a Great Source???
by liam on Jan 8, 2007 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, though
The dude hit 17 home runs last season and walked as many times as he struck out vs. LHP while with Springfield.
by liam on Jan 8, 2007 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if his foot injury puts more pressure
I don't think it should (even though I don't mind signing Wilson). If push comes to shove, put Duncan, Enc and Spiezio from left to right out there on Opening Day.
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 8, 2007 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't he
In other news, Karim Garcia is attempting a comeback.
HELLO! WALT!?!?
by plh903 on Jan 8, 2007 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reid Gorecki boycotting the media?
Instead of signing either of the Wilsons as our right-handed fifth outfielder... How's this for a crazy idea:
2006 vs. LHP
133AB .323/.387/.549 7HR 14BB:11K
He's a switch hitter who could be had for around $2million if he decides that he'd want to play one more season for a team other than the one he'd been with his entire career. Great clubhouse guy, seasoned veteran, all the post-season experience in the world.
I don't think the idea of him playing elsewhere is considered likely by the entire baseball world, but I could see Bernie Williams playing his last season for the Cardinals.
by liam on Jan 8, 2007 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would
All that said, if somehow, and I can't really imagine this happening, picked him up as the fourth outfielder, I would be fine with it. He'd be a better bet than whatever shakes out of the system, which is what we'd be relying on at this point to produce when Edmonds and Duncan aren't in the lineup.
It's not really the best idea but I would also like for the team to look at Trot Nixon, and just reserve itself to making right-handed pitchers pee their pants all year. That's not happening, I know.
Everybody loves Bernie. I'd be just fine with it.
by plh903 on Jan 8, 2007 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Jimmy starts the season
by RedbirdRay on Jan 8, 2007 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Simmons was my favorite
OTOH, he could block the plate pretty well. Maybe not as well as Johnny Bench, but that's a different standard.
Imagine how well he would have hit if he had some protection in the lineup.
by Red in Chicago on Jan 8, 2007 4:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OK, now I'll let it rest. Smile.
He was often in the All Star game, being named eight times.
As a catcher, he had unusually high batting averages, hitting in the top ten in the league six times. In 1975 he was second in the league. He broke in during the second dead-ball era when averages were low, so his averages mean more than they would today. For instance, in 1972, he hit .303 when the league as a whole hit only .248.
Simmons' lifetime batting average of .285 is tied with Hall of Famer Yogi Berra, and better than Hall of Famers Johnny Bench (.267) and Carlton Fisk (.269). In fact, there is no Hall of Fame catcher who has played in major league baseball since 1950 who has a batting average as high as the .285 that Berra and Simmons share. Some of the players prior to 1950 had gaudy batting averages during the lively ball era, but consider the reality. For example, Bill Dickey, famed for his high batting average, was only in the top ten in the league 3 times (compared to 6 for Simmons), and his highest finish was 3rd (compared to 2nd for Simmons). And Mickey Cochrane has the highest batting average of any Hall of Fame catcher (.320), but was only in the top 10 five times and never finished as high as Simmons' second place finish.
Simmons has 2,472 lifetime hits, more than any catcher in the Hall of Fame. The closest is Carlton Fisk with 2,356. Yogi Berra had 2,150.
Simmons' power was excellent for a catcher. He hit 483 doubles lifetime, which is # 58 on the all-time list. There is no catcher in the history of baseball who was primarily a catcher who has as many doubles as Simmons. Carlton Fisk, in a longer career, had 421, and Bob Boone had 303, Gary Carter had 371, Yogi Berra had 321, and Johnny Bench had 381.
Simmons had 1389 RBI in his career. That total is higher than every catcher in the Hall of Fame, except for Yogi Berra, who had 1430. Yogi, like Simmons, also played several hundred games at positions other than catcher.
Simmons hit 248 home runs in his career. Only four of the fourteen Hall of Fame catchers have hit more. Gary Carter, who had 324 home runs, had a slugging percertage of .439, only two points higher than Simmons, because Simmons had so many more singles and doubles than Carter.
by Yadier on Jan 8, 2007 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I tried looking but I couldn't find the projection
by Hardcore Legend on Jan 8, 2007 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I've been searching ebay
by effin fisk on Jan 8, 2007 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Duncan
by DJ4508 on Jan 8, 2007 6:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Groundball Tendencies
One of the surprising things was how close Jamey Wright is to Jeff Francis by that method. If he could lower his walk rate a bit and pitch with a decent defense behind him, I'm convinced Wright could be a very good pitcher.
by liam on Jan 8, 2007 6:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
(x%, y%)
Carp (21%, 53%) NE Quad
Reyes (20%, 35%) SE Quad, but he could easily move to NE if he masters his split-finger fastball :p
Wainright (23%, 47%) I didn't expect either % to be this high.
Wells (10%, 51%) NW quad, "walking the fine line"
Weaver (14%, 39%) SW quad! run away.
Thompson (13%, 55%) NW quad, but I would have sworn his K rates were better than 13%. HR/9 of 0.63!
by SleepyCA on Jan 8, 2007 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've never seen a Reyes splitter
by joker24 on Jan 8, 2007 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
neither has Beltran
by SleepyCA on Jan 9, 2007 2:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Something I'd like to see
If so, Thompson doesn't look like a horrific fifth starter.
by liam on Jan 8, 2007 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GB%
But yes, run away from weaver.
by DriverZn on Jan 8, 2007 8:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Comparison to legue averages
Given our lack of pitching depth, it looks like a long summer.
by Zubin on Jan 8, 2007 8:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
okay, obviously I can't add...
by Zubin on Jan 9, 2007 2:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Zubin, Zubin, Zubin...
Shouldn't you go ahead and change your signature now—I suggest "2007 Cardinals - 2006 White Sox."
I kid because I love.
by liam on Jan 9, 2007 3:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Freudian Slip
-Joe Buck, after McGwire's #62 game.
by joker24 on Jan 8, 2007 11:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Larry or Plh...
A pretty cool part of Pip's take on ZiPS is a look at the run projections for the rest of the NL Central.
by RedbirdRay on Jan 8, 2007 11:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs




















