the hand that made us devine
Update [2007-1-29 17:15:49 by lboros]: preston wilson re-signs with the cards; 1-yr deal. here's the official press release. [end update]
the only real news this morning is bing devine's passing; tom wheatley wrote yesterday and again today about devine's career and his weighty impact on st louis baseball, and erik's post yesterday listed some of devine's most famous trades; i'd also recommend this old article from the Hardball Times naming the 1960s cardinals as perhaps the greatest trade-built team in history. and of course there are devine's memoirs, ghostwritten by the p-d's wheatley.
i had an opportunity to interview devine a year and a half ago, in the very early days of this blog; here are the links (part 1 and part 2) if you want to read or re-read that Q+A. i just looked back over the transcript, and a couple of his statements jumped out. first, i asked for his opinion of what qualities made walt jocketty so successful as a gm. devine's answer:
peace on ya, sir.
a few other small items of note:
- los venados son muertos: troy cate's mazatlan team got swept out of the mexican pacific league finals. he never took the mound again after his rough outing in game 1 of the series (described here). overall this winter (including playoffs), cate went 3-2 in 8 starts; he threw 56.1 innings overall and had the same number of strikeouts as baserunners allowed (51). his era was 1.92. cate turned 26 in october --- he's older than wainwright and reyes --- so if he's gonna have a career he'd better get on with it. if he keeps pitching like he did over the last 12 months, the guy's still got a shot.
- get ready for VEB fantasy baseball. the call for owners just went up on saturday, and already there's enough interest for nearly two full leagues. i'm very tempted to join, but i know myself too well --- if i own a team i won't get a lick of work done, and eventually i'll go broke and they'll cut off my internet service. however, i will see if i can come up with some worthwhile swag for the league winner(s).
- frequent VEB commenter sjoshi hates all 30 major league teams, beginning with the cardinals.
- miklasz adds some stray details about the weaver talks --- the cards' top one-year offer was $5m of guaranteed money, plus (unspecified) incentives. no words from weaver himself in the article, although scott boras chimes in. [shaking head] scott boras . . . . oh, by the way: i am reminded that Rev Halofan, my SB Nation brother over at Halos Heaven, called the outcome of the weaver "drama" nearly a month ago; details here.
- just last week we had some lively discussion at VEB about lary sorensen; yesterday the detroit news wrote about his battle with alcoholism. dude has paid a high price; you gotta root for him to put things back together. as you might recall, the player for whom sorenson was once traded, lonnie smith, had some demons of his own --- chronicled just a couple months ago.
- new york is still aching from yadi molina's homer three months ago --- but no hard feelings. the new york times writes lovingly of the molina family manse in vega alta, puerto rico.
- mark buehrle is tired of hearing about his future with the cardinals, and tired of people talking sh*t about him on the internet.
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I'm with Buehrle
I'm with you
by Stanfan6 on Jan 29, 2007 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
wow, that buehrle article's actually more...
He responds to rumors of his wife wanting him to go to the Cards by saying, "That's like the furthest thing from her mind, going to St. Louis. She doesn't want me playing there ever."
And as far as his feelings on the matter, he says, "I'm a Cardinals fan; I always will be. But people were thinking, 'Oh, he's a Cardinals fan. He's more apt to go there.' My heart's here in Chicago."
That doesn't sound like hometown-discount language to me.
There was a lot more in the Tribune article
Predictive GM names...
2). Brian Cashman, though a succcessful and shrewd General manager, has the luxury/responsibility of doling nearly $200 million in player sallaries every year.
Are general manager last names responsible for the lagacies they create? Perhaps not. Perhaps this is clearly an issue of small sample size. You'll have to wonder if there's anything to it, though, if in a few years Hendry steps down/gets fired and the Cubs hold a press conference announce the appointment of either Travis Centuryoffailure or Bobby Marquisextension to fill the void. I'm just saying.
by ilillillli on Jan 29, 2007 10:53 AM EST reply actions
To continue...
Billy Beane-counter
Walt Jockey-for-the-best-trade-ty
by cardzfanbub on Jan 29, 2007 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Just like anybody else...
Speaking of Jocketty
And who's name heads the list? You all know.
<http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/9952399/2>
I guess, but...
I could see ranking Shapiro 4th in the AL Central like this list does, but in all of baseball? I'm not so sure.
by ilillillli on Jan 29, 2007 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
$5 million guaranteed???
To me and to the average Joe on the street that sounds like a decent payday, but for a #2 starter--and that's the job the Cardinals were hiring him for--that's crap. That's not a competitive offer. It's downright disrespectful. With World Series money, the Brass should be able to scratch the extra $3 million off their balls to field a competitive team.
This is just plain cheap.
I love all this blather about Trader Walt swooping in for an arm at the deadline and saving his chips pennies for that distant moment. It's possible, but it's unlikely. A) We've got the same relatively barren farm system we've had for the past several years. B) Even if we do pull of a trade, we're going to have to pay the new guy the amount he's scheduled to earn (more than we would have been willing to pay preseason). C) #2 starters don't grow on trees.
I think this is going to be an ugly year. Comparatively speaking, of course. I think it's highly unlikely we'll even be able to duplicable, much less surpass, our regular season record from last year with the roster we've got at the moment.
$5 million gauranteed!
2). Weaver posted a 5.76 ERA last year. That's a full run/9 above league average. Baseball Prospectus rated his season as below replacement value. That is to say that Narveson, Reyes, Wainwright... you name him.. figured to produce better results than did Weaver over the span of last season. Replacement value's sitting around a cool $400k.
3). You have to understand the terms of the deal. Weaver's prefference going into the offseason was to field a 4yr/$40MM deal. When that option (deservedly) didn't present itself he decided to try a short-term offer in an attempt to bolster his stats, reprove himself as a pitcher, and enter the free agent market next season as a more marketable product. That is to say... its a too way street. It's not all about what Weaver could do for the team, Weaver was considering what the team could do for him. The Cardinals' superior bats, defense, and pitching coach figure to produce better statistics and, in turn, better money for Weaver next season. Weaver needs his 2007 team probably more than his 2007 team needs him. The Cardinals offer a better team than the Mariners. That should (and will be) worth something.
by ilillillli on Jan 29, 2007 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
$5M + incentives
I would agree, except
Mulder is the putative No. 2, even if he hasn't lived up to it for a year. Reyes is the ascendant No. 2, and we'll see how he does. But it's hard to see how a Jeff Suppan who gives up more homeruns and posts a far worse record is somehow a No. 2.
That said, they obviously didn't want him that badly because $5 million, even with incentives, is pretty paltry.
Weaver..
if he has another year like he did last year over there? I don't think that 3.5 is going to seem worth it.
Offseason summary
And Preston Wilson??? For 1 year at a million, it isn't a bad deal, but this probably stops them from trying to find a "good" outfielder.
Let's recap the offseason:
Signed
- Adam Kennedy -solid choice for a reasonable price.
- Kip Wells - lots of questions, but I like this guy and think he will prosper here.
- Russ Springer - Insurance for Izzy, Looper, Wainwright situation.
- Ryan Franklin - Wild card. High risk gamble.
- Preston Wilson - Good guy who seems to not have much left in the tank.
- Mark Mulder - Weird contract helps balance the risk on both sides. I fear his effective pitching days may be in the distant past.
- Chris Carpenter - Odd timing for an extension, but may prove to be the genius move of the offseason for all of MLB...unless, of course, he gets injured.
- Jim Edmonds - I love this guy and am glad to see him around for a little while longer.
- Gary Bennett - No comment (+ or -)
- So Taguchi - See Bennett, Gary
Weaver, Suppan, Marquis, Belliard
Only Weaver out of this group should have been kept.
Offseason Grade: See Bennett, Gary
Yo "King."...
what i heard/read...
incentives could push it to $1.5 m.
eh....
by busch league on Jan 29, 2007 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
i know
i really do hope he steps it up at the plate this year, i like seeing guys out there who look to be genuinely enjoying the game
Here's a wager...
Preston Wilson will hit more homeruns for the Cardinals in 2007 than Juan Encarnacion.
Any takers? What's a reasonable wager?
by ilillillli on Jan 29, 2007 5:22 PM EST reply actions
How's a VEB t-shirt?
by ilillillli on Jan 29, 2007 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Enc hits more
Wilson
by Edmonds is baseball on Jan 29, 2007 5:26 PM EST reply actions
Question
I hope not
How bout this?
More Strikeouts- Wilson or Ryan Franklin?
by Stanfan6 on Jan 29, 2007 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
Wilson
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Jan 29, 2007 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
*snicker*
A better bet would be:
Who do you think will strike out more in 2007?
a) Preston Wilson (w/ only platoon duties)
b) Juan Encarnacion (w/ a full year's ABs)
c) The entire Cardinals Starting Pitchers corps
That would probably be pretty close...
Btw, my money/t-shirt is on Wilson, assuming he gets the playing time...
buerhle
Doubt it
by CardinalsfanIraq on Jan 29, 2007 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Photo link
by CardinalsfanIraq on Jan 29, 2007 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
apparently
I'm in the minority...
Granted, Preston is a good clubhouse guy and has some righthanded pop...but, he can't hit a lick and is a defensive liability.
The real reason I don't like the signing, however is this...
We will have our starting 8 guys...
Molina, Albert, Kennedy, Eck, Scotty, JEnc, Jimmy and Duncan...
Plus, TLR's typical 12 man pitching staff...
Which leaves us 5 bench spots for these guys...
Wilson
Spiezer
Marrero
JRod
Miles
Bennett
Taguchi
2 of them have to go. JRod should be the last to go, but I doubt he will. We kind of have to have a backup catcher and a backup middle infielder so Miles and Bennett stay...
Wilson, Spiezer, Eli, JRod, Taguchi...
Something tells me the two BEST hitters out of the five won't make the team.
Maybe Spiezer can play shortstop.
I think
except for hitting
He'll have the spring to show us he's back to the 2004 Eli. If that happens, then I'd love for him to replace Wilson, but I don't think it's likely.
thinking this is
i do agree with your bench worries however...spezio, bennett, miles are basically guaranteed to make the lineup, and i would bet taguchi is pretty much a shoe in as well, leaving 1 spot for p-dub, eli, jrod...
i think eli better get comfortable in memphis
Certainly not a bench
by MdRedbirdFreak on Jan 30, 2007 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
was just at
I wish jocketty would give lboros an interview like beane gave them.
by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Jan 29, 2007 10:30 PM EST reply actions



















