Game 158 overflow
jason marquis --- adieu.
8-1 brew crew . . . . .
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Thank you...
Man, this sucks.
by matt reeder on Sep 28, 2006 9:25 PM EDT reply actions
What was the call?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 28, 2006 9:25 PM EDT reply actions
Yes...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 28, 2006 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yadi is NOT the problem with this team...
Yadi is part of a problem
Miles, Yadi, Encarnacion, wilson, Taguchi, Belliard, etc. are not really very good hitters. You are looking at Albert, Rolen, (healthy) Jed, and (current incarnation of) Duncan to basically do it all.
and they can't.
Sorry but Yadi has been a drain on this team REGARDLESS of his defense. his OPS is ~.600
that is really a new level of awful.
I'd have to believe that if it were Gibby out
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
well...
by ilillillli on Sep 28, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions
hopefully...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 28, 2006 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
for the first time this year
This makes me very sad.
Fielder complete misses strike 3
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Narveson looks pretty solid
So, when we lose, we'll be tied with Houston?
Thanks, Jason!
no, 1/2 game up
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly, how do you start a pitcher thats 3-9
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 9:31 PM EDT reply actions
no
Narveson in the rotation next year?
When was the last time a Gary Bennett caught
I'm actually asking.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 9:38 PM EDT reply actions
Well he usually only started with Marquis.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
this team needs to sign a catcher that can hit
Sign someone like Piazza to come in late in games or start every now and then to give the team an offensive boost when they are slipping. I'm really tired of the Matheny/Molina no hitting catcher mold.
ouch
still, with huge holes next year, there might be a chance. He's a rookie and he's pitched less than half a dozen games this year. just trying to make conversation since there's nothing in this game worth commenting on
Dear sweet baby jesus
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
You know it's bad...
Grand Slam here
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
94 pitches...
never a good sign....
At least we'll be able to laugh about this when we finally squeak into the postseason...
..before we get swept in the fisrt round...
the idea is to make davis run
so they will be a half game up..WOO...So if the cards lose the divison by a game do they play SF?
Aren't the Brewers getting tired by now?
by matt reeder on Sep 28, 2006 9:46 PM EDT reply actions
Scott Rolen has the winter gear on...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
yeah...Rolen
by cardsnutincali on Sep 28, 2006 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
There should be a chart
Honestly
I trust Suppan on Sat... he seems to do well when its crunch time. And, even thought he hasnt done well his last two starts, I still trust Carp on Sunday.
If Weaver can go out and give us a quality win, we WILL win.
I'll drink a couple for ya Weav........ please help us out.... :-D
by stlcardi70 on Sep 28, 2006 9:50 PM EDT reply actions
9-7 Houston...
They are teasing me here....
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 9:52 PM EDT reply actions
I would like to thank
How come Tony Gwynn Jr...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 9:53 PM EDT reply actions
Jason Marquis
A team simply cannot..
I'm drinking to kill the pain
Hey, Matty!
Still gotta work, just not at the office
by itsalemmon1019 on Sep 28, 2006 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
this is painful
McLaughlin is PISSED
But remember.........
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
The rally comes next inning
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
2 short outings
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Something worth talking about...
Pedro is done for the year with a calf tendon tear... not like we're in any position to talk about postseason chances, but that made the one respectable NL team fall back with all the rest of us. The Junior Circuit is laughing I'm sure...
Astros magic number at 5...
Any chance they lose 2 of those games?
I'm pretty sure we have to win 4
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
If we could just get a run or 2 here
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:07 PM EDT reply actions
dan and al now trashing the front office...
dan: "they had a 7-game losing streak. there's not much to be positive about."
Al: "i wonder why they'd even mention it."
IF
Juan needs a homerun here...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
Nah....
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy Davis sucks and he's got a 2 hitter
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
Clutch Juan.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Marquis
From this moment on I will not say his name again.
I would rather have Donovan Osborne pitching a Game 7 then HTIDTM (He That Is Dead To Me).
by saladdin69 on Sep 28, 2006 10:14 PM EDT reply actions
how bout the pitcher formerly known as douchebag?
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
We should be in this game
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:15 PM EDT reply actions
Thank Rolen for setting the "LOB" tone
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
hey what did we expect
Makes me think even his mom is struggling being supportive of him.."jason dear I love you, btu maybe you should take up acting, or Phsycology"
It's nice to see Dave and Tony talking about
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
Funny thing about us...
by itsalemmon1019 on Sep 28, 2006 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
It's the Dan and Al standup hour!
Not really.
Wow..
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:25 PM EDT reply actions
JEFF FASSERO
RAY KING last year
MARK MULDER & JASON MARQUIS this year
Who will be the next Cardinals pitcher that everyone except TLR knows is DONE.
I suspect that if Tony's wife was caught redhanded with another guy, he'd probably say, "Well she used to be a good, loyal wife - I'll give her another chance. I'll have Dunc set her straight."
And even after she had slept with like a whole football team, he'd stick with her.
by Keep your hands off on Sep 28, 2006 10:26 PM EDT reply actions
Borbon and Yan
by itsalemmon1019 on Sep 28, 2006 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesse Orosco
by itsalemmon1019 on Sep 28, 2006 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Here we go again...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:31 PM EDT reply actions
I hate this.
Carp and Jimmy
Jimmy...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:36 PM EDT reply actions
boys, listen up
We have 1 run on 2 hits and SEVEN walks.
Day in, day out, this offense sucks.
call it a hunch
by punchinjudy on Sep 28, 2006 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It ain't the pitching?
We're not gonna win playoff games 11 - 10.
This is such a tease
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
who are thses guys?
Edmonds died ... in June
Rolen ran away and we got his fat, slap-hitting, skillet-handed brother
Yadi died ... sometime last winter
Belly is worse here than he was before, if that"s possible
Miles is an offensive superstar?
PW looks like a guy so bad he can't stay on the Ass-tros
Duncan is playing WAY over his head
Every year's the same, the weather cools off and so does our "offense"
Pitching, at least in the rubber ball era, means 5 runs a game. You can't expect them to shut out people every night.
Think how Marquis MIGHT have done (it pains me to say this, if we'd put 4 or 5 up in the 1st (like we did all of 2004, most of 2005 and some of April/May
You fail to understand Marquis...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Marquis and Talent
Instead of Marquis, or Jason, or F***Face, I propose a new nickname for tonight's starting pitcher .....
6.02
by Keep your hands off on Sep 28, 2006 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
When you touched McGee where did you touch him?
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Tan glove apparently isn't allowed.....
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrible news all...
Marquis WILL take the mound in Houston on Monday...
Hey, he gives us the best chance to win...
monday?
by Columbus Jets on Sep 28, 2006 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh that would be poetic...
what's the delay?
by Columbus Jets on Sep 28, 2006 10:51 PM EDT reply actions
Wouldn't it be if the division ends in a tie?
by itsalemmon1019 on Sep 28, 2006 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It can't...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
happy
by Columbus Jets on Sep 28, 2006 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It was too light colored...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It was over
Our offense....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 28, 2006 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
This team has but one redeeming quality.....
And thats about all.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Al and Dan are choosing up sides...
This is the best broadcasting they've done all year.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
Ugly Betty is on...
Good on ya, Scott...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 11:03 PM EDT reply actions
F that home run.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 28, 2006 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
yippee
by Columbus Jets on Sep 28, 2006 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
In a fair world...
In the real world, we'll fly out or GIDP.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
In a fair world,
no
by Columbus Jets on Sep 28, 2006 11:12 PM EDT reply actions
Duncan....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 28, 2006 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
Ha!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow...all those early inning
It would take a miracle of all miracles now in the 9th.
And the Germans have outlawed miracles.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
Should Duncan be our everday LF next year?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 28, 2006 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
Hey, look at it this way...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 28, 2006 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
i turned it off after the 5th
I can't believe...
I'm a glutton for punishment.
Buh Bye
Dont go away mad. Just go away. And never come back. You worthless piece of crap.
Pedro Cerrano
by monkey14 on Sep 28, 2006 11:45 PM EDT reply actions
I say....
Ownership owes it to Albert to put a better team on the field next season. To not do so would be a slap in Alberts face in my opinion. He has done everything he can to get this team into the post season. I found this interesting...
2007 contract obligations:
C - Yadier Molina - $0.4MM
C -
1B - Albert Pujols - $15MM
2B - Aaron Miles - $0.35MM
SS - David Eckstein - $4.5MM
3B - Scott Rolen - $12MM
IF -
LF - Chris Duncan - $0.33MM
CF -
RF - Juan Encarnacion - $5MM
OF - Larry Bigbie - $0.9MM
OF - So Taguchi - $0.825MM
OF - John Rodriguez - $0.332MM
SP - Chris Carpenter - $7MM
SP - Anthony Reyes - $0.33MM
SP - Adam Wainwright - $0.327MM
SP -
SP -
RP - Jason Isringhausen - $8.75MM
RP - Braden Looper - $4.5MM
RP - Jorge Sosa - $2.2MM
RP - Ricardo Rincon - $1.45MM
RP - Josh Hancock - $0.355MM
RP - Randy Flores - $0.35MM
RP - Brad Thompson - $0.334MM
RP - Josh Kinney - $0.33MM
This is from MLB trade rumors, an awesome blog. We have some huge holes to fill. Either ownership wants to go for it, or they don't. The best fans in baseball deserve much better than they were given in 2006.
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 28, 2006 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to get your info
Taguchi and Bigbie, for instance, are 1 year contracts for 2006. As is Sosa. I didn't bother checking the rest of it.
cot's contracts
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2004/12/st-louis-cardinals_111971260115041890.html
this is a new kind of pain
I don't even know what to do. I can't be mad, this is just a mediocre team. but Marquis just makes me want to drive over him with a bus...
back up and drive over him again.
Reyes couldn't have given us a 6+ ERA in 33 starts? Wainwright couldn't have given us a 6+ ERA in 33 starts? Hell Tankersly/Narveson couldn't give us a 6+ ERA in 33 starts? The front office needed to do a better job of evaluating a) who is replaceable and b) who is hurt...
i don't even know what to do with this loss tonight...i'm absolutely flabergasted.
What irkes me
He's a arrogant bitch.
He has no desire to improve
He has no desire for a title
He has no desire to succeed
He is a paycheck player.
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 28, 2006 11:57 PM EDT reply actions
I agree...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 29, 2006 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
"Arrogant Bitch"
Ricochet, are you lurking?
by 26thMan on Sep 29, 2006 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
TLR
by monkey14 on Sep 29, 2006 12:01 AM EDT reply actions
TLR sucks
It hurts to say this, but...
by monkey14 on Sep 29, 2006 12:04 AM EDT reply actions
Actually let me
I tend to spout off and make some pretty harsh posts here. Most of which are just from frustration beyond belief. It doesn't give me the right to use bad language and act stupid.
It's so hard to refrain from doing so when Jason just acts like he doesn't care. If I had to bet I am sure he does care but c'mon atleast give us something as far as emotions go.
It's just a sad day really. I think Jason just pitched his way out of STL. He gave us some good games. It's just too bad he wouldn't listen.
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 29, 2006 12:16 AM EDT reply actions
I turned off in the 4th
If I was Walt, I would look to keep Carp and Albert....time to Marlins this team.......I am officially, as my wife calls me "off-season guy" until April. Nice to have my sanity back....
by cardsnutincali on Sep 29, 2006 12:25 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed, very ridiculous
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 29, 2006 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Opinions?
I am asking honestly.
Defensively I can'y think of anyone AL or NL better. His offensive numbers are pretty damn good as well.
Someone help me as to why I just have this "blah" feeling towards him when I know I probably shouldn't.
by Pujols for MVP on Sep 29, 2006 12:41 AM EDT reply actions
Let's not forget
That's great
Rolen's WPA was 3.77 in 2004. This year it is .62, for a reference point. I love what Rolen does on defense, I like his hard-nosed base running, I like what he adds as a power threat.....
I don't like his inconsistancy....Even in 2004 when he had ice in his veins in the clutch, he still ended up without a hit in the World Series.
Lately, I don't like his mentality. Maybe I wouldn't have noticed it without him blowing up over called strikes the other night; but since then I have been paying pretty close attention to his approach. From my chair it almost seems as though he has been going through some personal trauma or turmoil. He has had some TERRIBLY timed errors both throwing and fielding, he has led the team in men left on base ahead of him, and then tonight down in the 9th he hacked at an 0-2 slider with absolutely every intention of getting the heck out of there.
My personal take on Rolen is that he has had his golden opportunities here to be the player we know he can be when it really counts, and he has absolutely failed to capitalize on those opportunities.
He didn't get a hit in the world series.
In my opinion, in this life you take advantage of your opportunities if and only if you have the intangible mettle to be a winner.
He didn't do it; so...a rolling stone gathers no moss. He'll be better off with a fresh opportunity somewhere else. As much as I hate to say it, same with TLR. Staying with a losing mentality and hoping they pull out of it takes much longer than bringing in fresh blood primed for fresh opportunity.
That money he is getting paid could put a pretty sweet arm in the rotation. We could replace his inconsistant production more cheaply, and I feel like his trade value is pretty reasonably high... and maybe change the "winning dynamic" mindset while you're at it. IMO.
by cardsnutincali on Sep 29, 2006 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He was hurt the last month of 2004
Blame Tony for putting him out there, over and over, until he collapses in on himself.
I remember the Matty Morris bashing last year, and the impatience with woody when he was on his way out, and I'm having the same reaction to this attitude re: Carp and Rolen--are you kidding me? We're not exactly talking about JD Drew and Ron Gant here.
And we know that Tony runs out hurt players to die--I also remember all the comments about how Mulder had 'no heart,' which is something that we now know to not be true.
There are a lot of things wrong with the 2006 Cardinals, but the hearts of Carp and Rolen are not amongst them.
You've missed my point
I know Rolen is playing hurt...'cause he ALWAYS gets hurt 'cuase he plays old school hard nosed baseball. No I won't blame Tony for that.
It's not bashing, it's a business approach. His #s are great for a #2 hitter, not clean-up. and he isn't consistant enough to warrant the $13 mill-dog price tag.
And P.S. RE: Matty Mo'...have you seen his ERA and contract price this year? The Giants are a classic example of poor decision making.
Love the guy. Love Rolen. It's not bashing if it's true. He's worth more in trade, and he is not exactly "Mr. October."
by cardsnutincali on Sep 29, 2006 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Was at the game
From the first walk of the game...in the first inning, the entire stadium knew he was going to give up a lot of runs. Apparently he knew it too. He pitches like he doesn't want to be there. Meatball after meatball. It took the life out of our bats, our defense, and every player.
I will celebrate the day Jason Marquis is no longer a Cardinal.....sorry if that if harsh....but I mean it.
by newguy @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 29, 2006 1:01 AM EDT reply actions
By the way...did Hancock beat the runner to
by newguy @ Viva El Birdos on Sep 29, 2006 1:07 AM EDT reply actions
Let's work on scenerios
HOU Loss
1.5 game lead, 2 to play. Ensures Cards that SF game having meaning, still being a 'play in game'.
STL Loss
HOU Win
.5 games behind, any other loss and season is over should the Astros not lose again.
STL Win
HOU Win
.5 games ahead. any other loss and the Cards HAVE to win the other 2 to get in.
Ugh. I can't imagine the Astros winning 12 straight games to close the season, but damn if they aren't doing it.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 29, 2006 1:12 AM EDT reply actions
I have been saying we are in trouble for a week...
I can't imagine the Cardinals winning 3 in a row, so if the Cards scrap together 2/3 against the Brew Crew and win the SF make up they can still win.
If it goes to a 1-game playoff, I don't give the Birds a chance against the Astros.
nothing new
but i hate houston more. i really reall do.
how do we not just go batshit crazy on a guy with a 5+ERA and knock him out faster than jason got knocked out?
well, it really is gut check time. from here on out we will see what this team is made of. i hate to say it though, i think we all allready know what they are made of. but, do they fold it up and call it a season by loosing the rest of the way? or win out aginst three really tuff pitchers. at least they are tuff when they face our Cardinals. does anyone have anything left in the take for these last 3 or 4 games? and will it be enough?
i dont care what anyone says. if this is the end, its a damn shame tony goes out like this. no chance he returns for the final season on his deal if they blow this. and thats sad. dude is a hall of fame manager. no matter what you tony haters say. he has been great. and to go out like this. well, its just really really sad.
i hate jason. and i hate houston.
Dear GOD, please let the ATL have some payback on those undeserving pieces of crap from houston and sweep them out of contention this weekend.
GO CARDINALS
Yep,
That's great
Rolen's WPA was 3.77 in 2004. This year it is .62, for a reference point. I love what Rolen does on defense, I like his hard-nosed base running, I like what he adds as a power threat.....
I don't like his inconsistancy....Even in 2004 when he had ice in his veins in the clutch, he still ended up without a hit in the World Series.
Lately, I don't like his mentality. Maybe I wouldn't have noticed it without him blowing up over called strikes the other night; but since then I have been paying pretty close attention to his approach. From my chair it almost seems as though he has been going through some personal trauma or turmoil. He has had some TERRIBLY timed errors both throwing and fielding, he has led the team in men left on base ahead of him, and then tonight down in the 9th he hacked at an 0-2 slider with absolutely every intention of getting the heck out of there.
My personal take on Rolen is that he has had his golden opportunities here to be the player we know he can be when it really counts, and he has absolutely failed to capitalize on those opportunities.
He didn't get a hit in the world series.
In my opinion, in this life you take advantage of your opportunities if and only if you have the intangible mettle to be a winner.
He didn't do it; so...a rolling stone gathers no moss. He'll be better off with a fresh opportunity somewhere else. As much as I hate to say it, same with TLR. Staying with a losing mentality and hoping they pull out of it takes much longer than bringing in fresh blood primed for fresh opportunity.
That money he is getting paid could put a pretty sweet arm in the rotation. We could replace his inconsistant production more cheaply, and I feel like his trade value is pretty reasonably high... and maybe change the "winning dynamic" mindset while you're at it. IMO.
by cardsnutincali on Sep 29, 2006 1:34 AM EDT reply actions
Oops
by cardsnutincali on Sep 29, 2006 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Harvey's Wallbangers
I read this whole thread
so did I
I believe
Still up by 1/2 a game... somehow.
Is there anyone who hasn't visited my latest diary
cardsnutincali
Go back and watch the replay last year of his shoulder "injury.". I swear it looks like he veered into Choi (?) And lowered his shoulder like he was going to "teach him a lesson.". Instead, it cost him (us) a season. Dumb
His defense has been a tad less other-worldly this year, and doen-right shoddy in the last month. Not on throws, he's the best ever to 1st. But he gets to a lot of balls that go right on by. And he NEVER used to let a ball get bwn him and the bag, but we've seen it 10 times in a week. And that wild throw yesterday would have cost us the game (and 9 L's in a row) if God hadn't decided to wear #5 last night.
I really like the sub last year, played with fire, heart, didn't get to everything that SR used to, but SR doesn't get to everything SR used to either. And at least he didn"t have Scotty's foul-out-itis, which is infecting the whole team.
I'$ just saying, it isn't only the sucky pitching. The offensive has let us down, and we've been used to EATING the 4/5's instead of letting them eat us. You let a meat like tonight 2-hit us in THE most important game of the year, and it doesn't really matter who pitches or how they do.
This team (going back to mid-season last year, and maybe the series) just has not heart. No resonance. A HOUR like Pujols' last night used to carry us for a week, now it can't carryover to the next AB.
Maybe we underestimate how much that effing embarassment with the RedSox in 04 really sucked the life outta TLR, Scotty and the Gang. Puj has a BIG heart, but it ain't 25 guyss big.
Valatan, Zubin's right. We need your mojo. Give us a little missive on Friday. Pour us a little sap.


















