Game 156 Open Thread: September 26, 2006

carpenter williams
15-7, 2.93 10-5, 3.53
here's a mental trick to help neutralize the deer-in-headlights karma that's overrun cardinal nation this week. goes like this: the cardinals have 7 games on their schedule -- and those games represent round 1 of the playoffs. if st louis wins 4 out of the 7 games, they win the series and advance to the next round. (yeah, i know -- they might advance by going 3-4 or 2-5, and there's also a slim chance they'll need to win 5 out of 8 to move on. but just go with it.) the playoffs are here, and we made it --- hoorah!! tonight is game 1; naturally, carpenter's starting. reyes goes tomorrow night in game 2. and so on and so forth. and what a stroke of luck -- all 7 games in this series will be played at home. and five of'm are against a sub.-500 team. that should give the cardinals a decent chance ---
hold on; what's that you say? the cardinals always choke in the playoffs? stop hitting, play uptight, pitch just well enough to lose --- get beat by inferior teams? you mean this make-believe scenario is making you more nervous? . . . . ok, then let's try this: the last 6 games were the playoffs. the cardinals got knocked out -- pulled their usual choke job and disappointed us all again. that damn la russa. after that debacle, baseball's the last thing we want to watch; might as well take a walk, enjoy the autumn air, read a couple chapters of the new oprah book-club selection, and call it a night . . . .
still not working for ya?
ok, last chance. this one can't miss. here's what you do: run on down to the corner and buy a case of gin. cart it back, open up a bottle, and start drinking just as carpenter throws the first pitch. drink deeply -- finish the first bottle while the leadoff man is still at the plate. then keep going -- two, three, four bottles, more. drink until you don't know what inning it is, what city they're playing in, or which team you root for; drink until the ballfield dissolves into a blur of raw geometric forms, vectors and arcs and right angles and trapezoids. pour the gin straight back; brush your teeth with it; saute some cabbage in it, roll up the leaves and smoke them. pour a bottle into your bathroom sink, soak some gauze in it, and tape the gauze over your eyes. fill the whole bathtub and immerse yourself; tune shannon and rooney into one headphone and zappa and the mothers of invention into the other.
when you've finished the case, go down and buy another one. repeat as necessary until the season has ended.
see ya in november.
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Option #3!
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cause we don't play in Petco
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those splits
by lawman3842 on Sep 26, 2006 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lessee....
And for those who say this season is karmic payback for 1964... I was around (albeit as a 10-year-old) in 1964. This ain't no 1964. The Phillies in September of 1964 tried starting their best two pitchers every other day (!) down the stretch. If'n the Cardinals don't make the playoffs, it's because they couldn't overcome the injuries to the core of their ballclub. Would substituting Brian Giles, say, for Juan Encarnacion during the off-season have made up for the losses of Mulder, Jimmy Ballgame, Eck, and Izzy? I think not.
If'n the Birds get Eck and Jimmy back for the playoffs, I'll take my chances in a best-of-five with Carp, Soup, and me (and my 27-mile-an-hour heater), thankyouverymuch!
by The Ol Goaler on Sep 26, 2006 7:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lineups for tonight...
Roberts, LF
Giles, RF
Gonzalez, 1B
Bard, C
Branyan, 3B
Cameron, CF
Blumkin, SS
Barfield, 2B
Williams, P
STL:
Miles, SS
Duncan, LF
Pujols, 1B
Encarnacion, RF
Rolen, 3B
Edmonds, CF
Belliard, 2B
Molina, C
Carpenter, P
by lawman3842 on Sep 26, 2006 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pirates won't be helping us...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1-0 Astros..
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huff just injured himself...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Pirates
by lawman3842 on Sep 26, 2006 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and it
by lawman3842 on Sep 26, 2006 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really...
by StrosDux on Sep 26, 2006 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The DHL Hometown Heroes
by erik on Sep 26, 2006 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Ripken piece was really good..
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd really like Bob Costas
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Costas, Uecker, and Jim Palmer
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
heard...
oh, and the Olympics. which no gives a &*$&# about anymore.
by kindred on Sep 26, 2006 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and don't forget....
by Timbo02 on Sep 26, 2006 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love scenario No. 1
They lose the "series," and they don't deserve to continue.
Works for me.
by salvomania on Sep 26, 2006 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2-0 Astros
by lawman3842 on Sep 26, 2006 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We won't be getting any help..
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Astros
And that they've never won a World Series.
by matt reeder on Sep 26, 2006 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They've never even
by lawman3842 on Sep 26, 2006 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Larry
by gdm426 on Sep 26, 2006 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lboros
I have to say that my outlook lines up more with #1 but I have this creeping suspicion that getting drunk may be necessary; I have been far too sober for some of these games recently and am convinced that I'm not doing my part to, um, help the team....
So....anybody up for a drinking game tonight?
1 drink per Padre hit
1 drink per Cardinal out
2 drinks for a Cardinal run
5 drinks for a Padre run (Carp is pitching, after all)
5 drinks for a fielding error, a balk, HBP, WP, PB
2 drinks for a double play
finish your beer when either team homers
finish two beers for a grand slam
finish your beer if a Cardinal reliever blows a save
chug the whole time in case there's a dispute and TLR comes out of the dugout to argue; if Tony throws his hat or is ejected go on and finish the beer
do a shot if Carp manages to make it on base
finish the refrigerator if the Cards lose
The definition of "drink" is up to you....post any modifications or addenda....
by nota bene on Sep 26, 2006 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm with ya...
and, if there's booze in the house, Nyquil mixed with Sudafed works nicely. course then we might not see you until Christmas.
by kindred on Sep 26, 2006 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I choose scenario #3
by iron duke75 on Sep 26, 2006 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought this was appropriate
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Someone showed this to me 4 years ago shortly after my dad was told he was dying with ALS. Dads still alive and kicking, although a machine breathes for him and he cannot get out of bed. But he is still fighting. And thats all I ask of the Cardinals. If you are going down, and least go down fighting boys.
GO CARDINALS!
by gdm426 on Sep 26, 2006 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for those who say the cards always choke in the
great comparison lb!
by chuckb on Sep 26, 2006 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonder where he's going when it's FA time
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bay just launched one
by lawman3842 on Sep 26, 2006 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pittsburgh rallying in the bottom of the 2nd
by nota bene on Sep 26, 2006 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Jose Bautista
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3-3
by chuckb on Sep 26, 2006 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Pirates aren't going to go quietly...
And they just tied the game!
Go Pirates!
Oh, and go Cards.
by matt reeder on Sep 26, 2006 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they're really
by chuckb on Sep 26, 2006 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HR by Bautista; 3-up
by nota bene on Sep 26, 2006 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I love when we launch into random
by azruavatar on Sep 26, 2006 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey
by chuckb on Sep 26, 2006 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what.....
by cardsnutincali on Sep 26, 2006 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice K, ian
by chuckb on Sep 26, 2006 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why
by lawman3842 on Sep 26, 2006 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm...
by kindred on Sep 26, 2006 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If ESPN got to vote
I bet McCarver is still crying 'cause Derrick wasn't even nominated...
by iron duke75 on Sep 26, 2006 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That crap annoys me
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have been to hell
are we really worried about tonight's game? Carp at home?
by madding on Sep 26, 2006 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Think Stan is our Hometown hero?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Depends who won the voting..
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was Ozzie in the web ad...
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope not...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No argument there
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
busch
by truemun12 on Sep 26, 2006 8:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dave roberts...
man, i hope not.
by kindred on Sep 26, 2006 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he's cheap...
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
awesome.
final table of the WSOP.
by kindred on Sep 26, 2006 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do we have any big game pitchers?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean OTHER
by Timbo02 on Sep 26, 2006 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he hadn't given up 7 runs
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn, Hardcore
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
s@#$%!!
by cardsnutincali on Sep 26, 2006 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes it is...
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the tip
Thanks again!
by lawman3842 on Sep 26, 2006 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert
by martin on Sep 26, 2006 8:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Walk to Encarnacion
and down...before I could finish this post...
by iron duke75 on Sep 26, 2006 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is Rolen stilll starting?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was that a line drive he hit?
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 26, 2006 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
by bigcardsfan5 on Sep 26, 2006 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5-3 Astros
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
6-3 Astros
I was wrong before.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
attaboy Thug Life...
by kindred on Sep 26, 2006 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Belliard hits a homerun
What has this world come to?
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 on 2 out for Nady
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 8:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bucs have stranded a ton...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carpenter's not going to give up another hit.
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 26, 2006 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really hope you are right
Go Cards!
by Poooo Daddy on Sep 26, 2006 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Over/Under on legit strikes`
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2
by Poooo Daddy on Sep 26, 2006 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Oh wait, that's right...he's Juan. There hasn't been a pitch he hasn't liked.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hit that ball well...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Juan
by Poooo Daddy on Sep 26, 2006 8:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Carp
by madding on Sep 26, 2006 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pirates with lead-off ...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 26, 2006 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds
by cardsfan84 on Sep 26, 2006 8:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nah, cause the runner
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carp doesn't have it tonight...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Criticizing him is one thing
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
watch yourself hardcore
by lboros on Sep 26, 2006 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your smarmy
your opinion has been challenged. defend the opinion; do not bait and taunt the person who challenged you.
by lboros on Sep 26, 2006 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It really was an innocent comment
Seriously.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're not going to bait me....
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crowd
by heathen on Sep 26, 2006 9:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure they do...
by iron duke75 on Sep 26, 2006 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone
Ever?
by Intheway on Sep 26, 2006 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I expect bad things to happen...
by Brownale on Sep 26, 2006 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jack Daniels
by iron duke75 on Sep 26, 2006 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he'd certainly
think he throws a "split image" fastball?
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Jack is offering, I'm usually taking
by iron duke75 on Sep 26, 2006 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jack Daniels
I did read about how the Red Sox were passing around a cup of Jack in 2004, right before they reeled off 8 straight to win the World Series.
by Brownale on Sep 26, 2006 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rolen HBP
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh come on
by madding on Sep 26, 2006 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What luck
by iron duke75 on Sep 26, 2006 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Atleast one player on this team wants to win...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
offense by BellyYARD
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 26, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not Woody that's for sure
by nota bene on Sep 26, 2006 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
second one...
the first one was more to left center, about 8 rows back. both no doubters.
by kindred on Sep 26, 2006 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOOT
by nota bene on Sep 26, 2006 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BelliYARD
He's our MVP!!
by cardsfan84 on Sep 26, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good to see
by Brownale on Sep 26, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lil Ronnie
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 26, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SHAVE THE POODLE!
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 26, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SHAVE THE POODLE
by punchinjudy on Sep 26, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
More surprising:
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 26, 2006 9:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As hard as we have been
by heathen on Sep 26, 2006 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely...
And it's 'Shave my poodle'...and it's from the show ED, I believe...not to get credit for something I didn't create.
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Astros and Reds are gonna win...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pirates runner on first; one out; home 7th
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 26, 2006 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pirates runners on 1st and 2nd; 2 out...
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 26, 2006 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bay hit by pitch
by Poooo Daddy on Sep 26, 2006 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Carp's on
by nota bene on Sep 26, 2006 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seems like everybody...
including Thug Life, apparently.
by kindred on Sep 26, 2006 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That Tom Petty video must really suck
by iron duke75 on Sep 26, 2006 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Bay up
by Poooo Daddy on Sep 26, 2006 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
umm...
by kindred on Sep 26, 2006 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Carp
by Brownale on Sep 26, 2006 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he's at 74 already
by dontEATnachos on Sep 26, 2006 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More runs this inning
by Brownale on Sep 26, 2006 9:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I had any faith in the 'pen
But I'd rather see them just come out and put the Pads away decisively
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This winter....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there was a time when
by madding on Sep 26, 2006 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember '04...
by guayzimi on Sep 26, 2006 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
Rolen could move up to 2nd? or JED if healthy or Belly?
by OCCardsFan on Sep 26, 2006 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting idea...
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Da Breaks!
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 9:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you can say that again...
by kindred on Sep 26, 2006 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
huge AB here...
by kindred on Sep 26, 2006 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
noone
by punchinjudy on Sep 26, 2006 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pirates fail again...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that's what you get
by chuckb on Sep 26, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You have got to be kidding me
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy this is a great time to win the game
by Poooo Daddy on Sep 26, 2006 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy ballgame....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 26, 2006 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hardcore
Go Cards!!
by RosevilleRedbird on Sep 26, 2006 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a thing from the tv show
by Hardcore Legend on Sep 26, 2006 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
atta boy jimmy!
by chuckb on Sep 26, 2006 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds!!!!!!!!!!
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 26, 2006 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie Bonds...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BIG JIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by fuegophil on Sep 26, 2006 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yadi
by Poooo Daddy on Sep 26, 2006 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
man he is horrible
by Poooo Daddy on Sep 26, 2006 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belly's getting IBB'd hahahah
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Sep 26, 2006 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My goodness Yadier sucks...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Sep 26, 2006 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seconded
by nota bene on Sep 26, 2006 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was okay
by heathen on Sep 26, 2006 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMFAO
by nota bene on Sep 26, 2006 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In the 5th?
with the way the bullpen has performed recently?
by Valatan on Sep 26, 2006 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets flash some leather and play some
by Poooo Daddy on Sep 26, 2006 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In wild card race...
Tonight: Phillies trail 3-2, the Natties batting bottom 8th;
Dodgers,with Maddux pitching lead Rockies 3-1 after 3.
by Ignatius J Reilly on Sep 26, 2006 9:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Enc makes me so nervous`
by heathen on Sep 26, 2006 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We gotta get off
by Intheway on Sep 26, 2006 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It certainly hasn't
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