of jason and jimmy
marquis has apparently stopped trying, and la russa has finally had it w him; might even be that marquis, and not reyes or weaver, will be the odd man out when mulder returns. we can hope; the team looks ill whenever marquis pitches. both reyes and weaver will make starts before jason's next scheduled turn (on sunday vs pittsburgh) and thus will have the opportunity to impress. since the all-star break:
| w-l | era | whip | hr/9 | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| reyes | 2-2 | 5.91 | 1.73 | 1.27 |
| marquis | 1-4 | 6.75 | 1.83 | 1.62 |
| weaver | 2-2 | 6.93 | 1.86 | 2.55 |
the way sosa has pitched, he may even have forced his way into the discussion -- but wait, won't he have to re-condition his arm for the rotation, same as wainwright? he hasn't started in two months, has made nearly 20 relief appearances since then. . . . . that'd be amusing, wouldn't it, if the cards carried two DFA pitchers in the rotation, while their two strong rookie pitchers man the bullpen and the triple A rotation? if it means we've seen the last of marquis, that would almost be worth it.
a writer at the Hardball Times, apparently unaware that reyes is fighting for a roster spot, thinks anthony can be a postseason factor:
edmonds is feeling sorry for himself? i'll grant that it makes no sense for him to be platooning with so taguchi -- if they face a tough lefty in the playoffs, does gooch get the start? i didn't think so --- in which case, edmonds ought to face some lhp down the stretch . . . . that part of the plaint, i'll sign on to. the part about his 2007 option (but they promised!!!), i'm not weeping tears of sympathy over. if edmonds wants to finish out his career in st louis (and what fan would be opposed to that?), he can play like he's worth that $10m option the rest of the season; if he doesn't raise his game and the option's not picked up, he can take the $3m buyout and re-sign here for $4m, or waive the buyout and sign a 2-year extension for something reasonable -- $14 million, say.
i kinda don't think his statements have increased the likelihood that the owners will grant him extra credit for loyalty . . . .
lotta frustration afoot in the clubhouse. read joe strauss' "bird droppings" article from last weekend if you haven't yet; it explains an awful lot about this team's up-n-downness. the good news is, it's august -- per david pinto, the cardinals since 1999 have posted the nat'l league's best august record, playing .592 ball overall. that doesn't include last night's game, which drops the cards to 3-5 for the month. the astros rate second on pinto's list; true to form, they're off to a 5-2 start for the month and remain within striking distance, 7 games back (3.5 back in the wild card). houston's pitching is rounding into stretch-run form; they're 2d in the league in post-all-star era (colorado is 1st), and 3 of the 5 current members of their rotation have era's of 3.69 or better. even pettitte is pitching well lately --- 3.30 era over his last 8 starts (50 innings). houston still can't hit worth a damn . . . . the cardinals play them 6 more times and -- youneverknow -- could yet face them in the postseason.
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F'in Marquis
Work to do
by Edmonds is baseball on Aug 9, 2006 9:32 AM EDT reply actions
Hmmm...
If you are Jimmy, I was wondering if you came back after next year do you think you would need to move to one of the corner outfield spots?
why move JEd?
I would rather
That said, I think TLR is mixing his OF around -- he's playing Edmonds against lefties, just not all of them.
I wouldn't be surprised if Edmonds is really just speaking out of overall frustration, with the losing streak, not hitting like he's used to, etc.
I agree...
Gary Mathews Jr.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 9, 2006 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
that catch ain't worth a penny in my book
I would like to see
I'm assuming you are losing the term
between injuries and the not hitting lefties, jimmy hasn't been an everyday player this year.
using not losing
well that and work makes me want to crawl under my desk and sleep from boredom...
I hope he stays
by Edmonds is baseball on Aug 9, 2006 10:38 AM EDT reply actions
even if he doesn't restructure the deal
with the exception of Soriano or Lee (who will price themselves way to high) you can't find a CF or corner OF that is going to be worth 7 million next year. Stick with Jimmy through the decline phase and worry about replacing him when we have to.
the resources have to go
if need be they can shift en'cion to cf, then get a value-priced hitter (craig wilson? dellucci?) for lf/rf, save themselves a few million without losing all that much on the field --- and more than make up the difference by upgrading the pitching staff.
Wilson/Delucci would...
those guys won't get
guys like that, who are not viewed as everyday players, are gonna get offered 1- or 2-year deals at $2m to $3m per.
hmmm...
If this team can't afford to retain jim edmonds
i agree
by sjoshi on Aug 9, 2006 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Amen...
Up until this year, he absolutely ripped left handed pitching... It's definitely possible the 88 abs he's had so far against them is something of an aberration.
Even if he can't be used against lefties at all - which is quite a stretch - a centerfielder that plays above average defense and puts up a .295 .404 .536 against righties is worth $7 million. Get Jose Cruz for peanuts to bat against lefties and dump So!!!
Failing an Edmonds resurgence...
LF--Duncan, RH (Marti?) platoon
CF--Juan Encarnacion
RF--Free Agent like Trot Nixon (2 years/12M)
I'm cringing as I type this but, IMO, Juan was signed as the CF backup plan in case Edmonds doesn't return in '07 or '08. (Much like Looper signed for '08 closer role.) With the pool of FA CF's thin (Pierre, Cameron, Hunter, ack!) it opens up the number of guys that you can sign. And since Duncan isn't locked into LF or RF, that opens it up to all FA outfielders. This makes it more likely that you'll get the bat you need and less likely that you'll overpay.
Look, we're not getting Cameron and paying him the same amount as Edmonds would get next year. We're not going to overpay for Hunter. We sure as hell better not get Juan Pierre.
If you could live with the hit you take defensively with Juan in CF, it would buy you a year to get to Aaron Rowand and Vernon Wells, FA after '07. Or, it at least gets you a year or two closer to the Colby Rasmus Experience.
meat
JEd
How bout
He was DFA'd on August 1st so on August 11 he is just completly released. Meaning we could even sign him for the league minimum or a minor league contract. He can play all OF positions well enough.
Cruz
against righties: .232/.340/.415
against lefties: .291/.392/.497
Me likey. He has even played a little center, if TLR is going to keep insisting on the sit Jimmy against tough lefties bit, but I too would prefer a platoon with Duncan.
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 9, 2006 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
According to this...
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 9, 2006 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He has been
by DimitroffVodka on Aug 9, 2006 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No
by mikedallas23 @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 9, 2006 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
best joke of the day award
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 9, 2006 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope
by ryanisforever on Aug 9, 2006 12:40 PM EDT reply actions
Marquis de Sadde
BE GONE, MARQUIS.
larry bigbie
by sjoshi on Aug 9, 2006 1:33 PM EDT reply actions
For all I'm concerned
by EBroglio on Aug 9, 2006 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Bigbie gives us
by MdRedbirdFreak on Aug 9, 2006 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Tony Long for STL
by Birds on the Bat in AZ on Aug 9, 2006 1:33 PM EDT reply actions
my choices would be
by sjoshi on Aug 9, 2006 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yes...
See!
They don't need to sign Edmonds
People wonder why there is clubhouse 'frustration'
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2006 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The last straw
Because I live near Philadelphia, I was forced to watch the Cards-Phils games on the local Comcast channel (MLB Extra Innings was blacked out so I could not watch the FSN Midwest broadcast). Therefore, I don't know if anyone else saw this.
In the first inning of last Thursday's game against the Phillies, Marquis gave up a single to Utley, then Taguchi bobbled the ball in the OF allowing Utley to go to second. The Comcast camera then showed a close-up shot of Marquis glaring at Taguchi (I have to assume he was glaring at Taguchi, but he was definitely glaring toward CF). My immediate thought was "What a punk!" The way he has been pitching, he should NEVER glare at another player for making an error. Even my wife, who is just learning the game, commented on how bad it was.
After that, I definitely do not want Marquis on this team anymore (that and he stinks). I am almost glad that he is pitching so poorly - maybe it will make the Cardinals' decision easier.
Anyway, I just wanted to get that off my chest.
I didnt see it..
When Molina/Duncan come out to the mound you can tell he's not even listening to them.
Blackouts?
blackout
So say Fox pays for the rights to broadcast a Saturday game. In the midwest they're showing Cards-Cubs but on the east coast they're showing Yankees-Red Sox. People on the east coast who pay for MLB Extra Innings, which is supposed to provide all games that are not available to watch on local broadcast or cable networks should be showing the game.
However, since you live on the east coast, the game isn't on fox, but is already blacked out of MLB Extra Innings so you don't get to see the game, even though you paid a bunch of money for it.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 9, 2006 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you!
Here's one thing I'll never understand
If they have the technology to see that you're in a region that should be blacked out, why can't they also recognise which "nationally" broadcast game Fox is showing in your region and then let you have access to the others? It can't be that complicated.
Jonah...
by TNFan32 on Aug 9, 2006 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
if
by Birds on the Matt on Aug 9, 2006 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jonah
1)Obstinately refused to do what he was told & went the opposite direction.
2) Was given a second chance, grudgingly obeyed, but never learned his lesson.
That does sound awfully familiar, doesn't it?
Wait.....
by TNFan32 on Aug 9, 2006 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Those crazy Reds are at it again...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 9, 2006 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
We are making moves for mediocre players
by dontEATnachos on Aug 9, 2006 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Belliards not mediocre, IMO
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Aug 9, 2006 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Edmonds value
Current Cards values are here: http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/index.php?view=winshares&linesToDisplay=50&season _filter[0]=2006&league_filter[0]=NL&team_filter[0]=STL&pos_filter[0]=All&Submit=Submit& orderBy=wsp&direction=DESC&page=1
Albert the great accounts for 27 shares, Rolen 18, Carp 13...who's next? Edmonds with 11 tied with Encarnacion with 11.
However, if we look at Winshares prorated to playing time (the WSP), while Pujols, Rolen, and Carp are still at the top (joined, interestingly, by Wainwright and !Sosa), Edmonds falls to the middle of the pack. His expected Winshares over bench is 4, one above Enc @ 3. So, as others have suggested, even a sub-MVP Jim Edmonds is better than your average center fielder, and probably worth the resigning...
Interesting thing on the winshares...the bottom of the list. Of the regulars, Weaver is (not surprisingly) at the bottom, good for -1 win shares. Next up -- Belliard, also in negative numbers (compared with Luna who had earned 7 before the trade). Flores, Marquis, and Johnson form a triumvirate at about 0, all with 0 value over bench replacement. Next up -- Molina, whose 6 winshares all come from his defense.
Which brings me to a last question -- Yadi seems to be protected from a lot of the finger pointing from this frustrating season. All concede his batting is a detriment to the team, but in the TLR system a great defensive catcher somehow makes up for this. Seems to me a major sign of the effectiveness of a catcher is the ability to handle the staff -- and this year has been one of the worst pitching years in recent memories. Would a veteran everyday catcher give the boost the middle-of-the-rotation guys need?
by brdsnbt on Aug 9, 2006 2:50 PM EDT reply actions
Regarding Yadi...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 9, 2006 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yadi
A veteran catcher might have some more weight with the veteran pitchers, but I don't think Yadi's handling of the staff can be blamed. I think the blame should fall squarely on the pitcher's location.
I've been meaning to ask
Earlier in the year
Which could lead to why TLR made the comments he
I noticed the other night, Yadi ran over and put his arm around Sosa between innings at one point. They clearly are on the same page and you'd have to believe it shows in Sosa's sucess.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2006 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
YES!
by Edmonds is baseball on Aug 9, 2006 2:56 PM EDT reply actions
there's one thing yadi needs to learn
Blackouts?
Blackouts
I get frustrated by the blackouts because, at least with the case of the Phillies-Cardinals games, I want to watch the FSN Midwest broadcast instead of the local idiots doing the Phillies broadcast.
Also, I have noticed that some ESPN games involving the Phillies have been blacked out locally. Last Wednesday was one example.
also
by Birds on the Matt on Aug 9, 2006 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
MLB doesn't do that
by dontEATnachos on Aug 9, 2006 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I live in Virginia
Anyway, when the Cards play the Nats, I can't watch the games, because they're blacked out on EI.
yeah
by sjoshi on Aug 9, 2006 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
Not unless
The other thing I am not wild about with Extra Innings is that you usually get the home team's broadcast. Although I like watching as many Cards's games as I can, I don't always like the opponent's broadcasters. They, of course, focus their attention on their team, and you don't get the inside stuff on the Cardinals that you would get from Al, Dan or Joe on FSN Midwest.
I wish Extra Innings would set it up like the MLB radio broadcasts on the internet where you can pick which broadcast you want to listen to.
TV
by Edmonds is baseball on Aug 9, 2006 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
Let me be the first to go on record
I look for them to go on a big run. I just hope the Cards hang on and get white hot before the playoffs. Maybe what it takes is for the Reds to pass them in the standings to wake them up. But I do think the Reds are playoff contenders this year.
by vince eating tarp on Aug 9, 2006 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
We shouldn't be having this conversation
Management should tell Jimbo to stop worrying about next year. Concentrate on playing well this year, and next year will take care of itself.
If Edmonds' hits 25 homeruns this year, I wouldn't hestitate to pick up the last year of his contract. But he's got to get there first.
Brad Thompson called up....
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 9, 2006 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
13 pitchers?
Bernie...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 9, 2006 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Could this be
I like DCGreg's idea
Eventually I will have prom-date-nicknames for everybody in the bullpen and maybe the lineup. Although I'm a little worried about Hancock. The problem is that he looks remarkably like my 8-year-old nephew if you aged him by twenty years.
JRod never got the chance he deserved
We'll let Yadi of the .220 AVG bat everyday but JRod can't even find a platoon with his ~.300 avg. Why they wouldn't give him LF after last season and see what he could do, I will never understand...
yadis
by stlcardinalsfang on Aug 9, 2006 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that his arm is good
at worst he's still liablity for a contending team.
I tend to think of him more as a liability.
Does JRod play outfield
I was interested in JRod too, but he hasn't blown anyone away.
his defense
by dontEATnachos on Aug 9, 2006 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Yadi hit at the plate the way
My point is this. Yadi sucks something fierce offensively behind the plate and is given 3-4 ABs a game for at least 2/3 of our games. JRod who may have been going through a power funk was hitting .300 w/ .379 OBP. Why was he not put in the 2-hole??? That OBP would be perfect there. He's been good in clutch situations (althuogh I don't take much value from that).
I think JRod got the shaft. It's not about how many balls leave the park. JRod also had a .449 SLG and I recall him hitting some long balls that got caught (i.e. Houston CF Hill) In 307 career ABs JRod now has a .300/.380/.443 line. That's enough of a sample size to take some meaning from and I think it's within reason to expect a .800 OPS from JRod (or at least give him a chance to play full time and prove that wrong) - something you aren't getting from Luna, Encarnacion or Gooch. Yet they (most notably TLR's pet Gooch) got more at bats despite having discernably worse numbers.
Short answer - JRod deserved a fulltime look and never got it despite producing better than other regulars and semi-regulars.
I liked J-Rod
Cardinals 2006 - DFA'd All-Star team
"Your Trash is our Treasure"
by DimitroffVodka on Aug 9, 2006 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It's unfortunate too
You can't send down Marquis without him passing...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 9, 2006 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Correction
"Ran into him as he was getting out of a cab at Great American Ballpark -- you're the first to know, sort of.
I don't know what the corresponding move is.
But Looper's back was hurting (spasms). They don't want to push him. They are short. Hancock can't pitch tonight. Sosa can't, either.
They sent John Rodriguez to Memphis.
Reds acquired OF Todd Hollandsworth.
--B"
by DimitroffVodka on Aug 9, 2006 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
something else must be in the works
by sjoshi on Aug 9, 2006 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
J-Rod
Grrr
soo stupid...
if they
Hunter may cost 10 mil...
plus, Edmonds isn't really costing 10 million, as so many have pointed out. he's really only costing 7, because we've gotta pay the 3 million buyout regardless.
i doubt there will be a better FA CF option for 7 million.




















