Game 112 Open Thread: August 8, 2006

marquis milton
12-9, 5.68 7-7, 5.20
jeff gordon has love for chris duncan in today's paper; calls him "the key to the outfield equation." the kid's hanging in there pretty well; i'd noticed he started out august 2 for 15 with 6 strikeouts and was thinking "mmm hmmmm," league's caught up to him . . . so last night he goes 3 for 5 with a walk and a dinger. similar thing at the outset of last month, when he poked just 4 singles in his first 17 at-bats; the kid hit ~.350 the rest of the month with power. his 8 hr make him the cardinals' 4th most prolific rookie home-run hitter of the la russa era:
- 37, pujols, 2001
- 13, drew, 1999
- 9, mcewing, 1999
- 8, duncan, 2006
- 5, rodriguez, 2005
- 5, d young, 1997
for that matter, duncan is getting more playing time than most rookies under la russa. he currently stands 14th on the list of rookie at-bats in the TLR era. if he matches his july at-bat total (68) in the last two months of the year, he'll finish with ~250 at-bats, placing just outside the top 5:
- 590, albert pujols, 2001
- 513, joe mcewing, 1999
- 368, jd drew, 1999
- 333, dmitri young, 1997
- 296, bo hart, 2003
- 260, mike difelice, 1997
- 254, eli marrero, 1998
- 186, kerry robinson, 2001
- 173, hector luna, 2004
- 170, mark sweeney, 1996
- 149, john rodriguez, 2005
- 145, placido polanco, 1998
- 135, yadier molina, 2004
- 128, chris duncan, 2006
- 102, adam kennedy, 1999
i want to make clear, i'm not criticizing la russa; there aren't many guys on that list who merited more than 500 ab in their rookie years. maybe jd drew, maybe dmitri; those are the only two you could make a compelling argument for. but dmitri lost his playing time to mark mcgwire, and the main reason drew fell so short of 500 ab is because he spent 45 games on the dl in his rookie year. no, this isn't a TLR issue; it's an organizational issue.
one more duncan item: there's an interesting discussion of his cousin, eric, at Minor League Ball; same great power potential, same youthful struggles with strike-zone judgment, same defensive limitations. but he's put up better numbers than his cousin; maybe the yanks' 1st baseman / dh someday.
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makes me go back
by Edmonds is baseball on Aug 8, 2006 5:35 PM EDT reply actions
where in the world is joe mc ewing?
by stlspecialsauce on Aug 8, 2006 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i think...
he's with the astros
yankees
- 582, Derek Jeter, 1996
- 574, Alfonso Soriano, 2001
- 522, Robby Cano, 2005
- 378, Nick Johnson, 2002
- 283, Melky Cabrera, 2006
- 250, Ricky Ledee, 1999
- 224, Andy Phillips, 2006
- 205, Shane Spencer, 1999
- 189, Andy Fox, 1996
- 180, Jorge Posada, 1997
- 173, Juan Rivera, 2003
- 100, Erick Almonte, 2003
- 98, Bubba Crosby, 2005
- 71, Homer Bush, 1998
Thins out even faster, but more regulars at the top end.
apples and oranges, tho...
the Cardinals have been using re-treads and cast-offs instead of younger talent. the main reason for that is that the Cards don't have much young talent, and we have had has gone to trades for Finley, Renteria, and others.
Cano
Womack wasn't injured...
when those guys came back, Cano was playing better than Womack, so he kept the job.
Soriano got his shot because Knoblauch forgot how to throw to first.
Jeter and Posada both came up in mid-90s before Steinbrenner really started spending a ton of money.
also, one has to consider that the Yanks field one more hitter than any NL team because of the DH, so there's one extra spot. Nick Johnson probably wouldn't have played were there no DH... the Yanks already had Giambi in '02.
but all those things aside, does anyone really believe that the Cards have had the available talent in the minors that the Yanks have had in the past 10 years? Jeter, Posada, Johnson, Soriano, Cano, (Juan) Rivera.
excepting Pujols and Drew, the Cards really haven't had any guys that compare. so perhaps the fault shouldn't lie with TLR; perhaps it should lie with the Cards scouting/drafting squad.
Also
soriano doesn't really count
he still played...
Duncan is riding the pine tonight though...
eckstein 6
belliard 4
pujols 3
rolen 5
spiezio 7
encarnacion 9
taguchi 8
molina 2
marquis 1
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 8, 2006 5:52 PM EDT reply actions
I think...
Speeze in the 5-hole?
ah, at least Gooch isn't batting 2nd.
Speezer...
.357 / .438 / .643 - 10 for 28 w/ 2HR.
Gooch
2 for 9 with a dinger and K'd twice.
JEd
2 for 12 with a double and K'd 4X.
I'm OK with giving Jimmie a little extra rest under the circumstances.
Don't have time
Hey isnt....
HA HA thought I would be annoying as well and post something that has already been said 2 or 3 times.
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 8, 2006 6:45 PM EDT reply actions
Chinatown
His cousin.
His brother.
His cousin.
It's his brother AND his cousin... (sob)
you forgot the slaps
[slap]
his cousin
[slap]
his brother [slap] cousin [slap] brothercousinbrothercousin sobbbbbb
it's his brother ANND his cousin . . . .
[stunned silence]
clear enough for you?
. . . . . if it's not obvious, chinatown is one of me favorite films . . .. .
Great movie, great non-sequiter for final line...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
uh-oh
Marquis
Bad Jason...
Lucky...
He took a ridculously wide turn...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Marquis
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 8, 2006 7:42 PM EDT reply actions
Is it me
by Poooo Daddy on Aug 8, 2006 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
ugh
He's worthless...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 8, 2006 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a little extreme
To call him worthless seems a little harsh though.
If you were referring to Jason Marquis on the other hand ...
by dontEATnachos on Aug 8, 2006 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody else...
by Big Red on Aug 8, 2006 8:06 PM EDT reply actions
off and on....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 8, 2006 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
True!!
by Big Red on Aug 8, 2006 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we finally put to rest
Get him out of there. Get him out of town.
DFA Marquis
I really hope Tony pulls him before this game is out of reach, instead of letting him stay in there and ruining the game. (Although we are already out of it with the way we hit against lefties)
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 8, 2006 8:07 PM EDT reply actions
I really hope they get rid of him very soon
by Poooo Daddy on Aug 8, 2006 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
He really does look
I'm so sick of watching Jason Marquis
by steve in georgia on Aug 8, 2006 8:08 PM EDT reply actions
not watching the game, so...
Mostly well hit balls....
Wainwright, time for you to go 4 innings tonight.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
thank god
by Poooo Daddy on Aug 8, 2006 8:10 PM EDT reply actions
Hopefully
Sosa?!?
Play with fire too often and you're libel to get burned.
Keep looking for that fastball Royce...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It's hard to watch this when.....
by Ignatius J Reilly on Aug 8, 2006 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
No Joke
In 2 days Cruz Jr will be completly released from the Dodgers and can be signed for league minimum or minor league contract.
Faith rewarded...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Royce Clayton
by DimitroffVodka on Aug 8, 2006 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Next Innining
Milton: .000
Freel .333 in 6abs w/ 1 SO
Hatteberg .556 in 9abs
by DimitroffVodka on Aug 8, 2006 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
They should put Hatteburg on his rear
by Poooo Daddy on Aug 8, 2006 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
at least
by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 8, 2006 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
Wow
wow
by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 8, 2006 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
The Reds may win a few games in this series....
In fairness...
Yadi is either going to walk or get a hit here
by Poooo Daddy on Aug 8, 2006 8:24 PM EDT reply actions
great ab for yadi
by sjoshi on Aug 8, 2006 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
if that would have happened
by Columbus Jets on Aug 8, 2006 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
No...cause it removes Sosa from the game....
Runs will come. The Reds have no bullpen to speak of.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
At least...
Umm on second thought
I was just thinking something positive about Sosa, but man do I hate for the pitcher to get a hit.
Belliard's FSN photo...
Eck!
sanchez
by sjoshi on Aug 8, 2006 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Nomar is on my team.
Just outta curiosity
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 8, 2006 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 8, 2006 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
wow
by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 8, 2006 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
Edmondsesque
by dayimetmusial on Aug 8, 2006 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If I'm the Reds
NOMINEE???
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 8, 2006 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I saw it
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 8, 2006 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Gary Matthews Jr.
by dayimetmusial on Aug 8, 2006 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You ever seen
Now THAT was awesome...
that was one
by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 8, 2006 8:38 PM EDT reply actions
tagging from second
There would have been no reason too...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
by PGeorge @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 8, 2006 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
so
As much crap has happened in this game...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't watched
by dayimetmusial on Aug 8, 2006 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
couple of years ago
by sjoshi on Aug 8, 2006 8:43 PM EDT reply actions
I was kinda worried
Anyone miss
by dayimetmusial on Aug 8, 2006 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
I miss
I just
by dayimetmusial on Aug 8, 2006 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
coincidentally
I think
What adjustments would he make?
Let's establish a charity ...
Or ballet shoes.
by red menace on Aug 8, 2006 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
Dammit
Just put the game on mute
That is the very first time
We're going to win this one.
I was wondering why GC said
Way to get out of a jam, Sosa!!!
three things
- I saw y'all saying things about this MLB.TV feed. So it's not just me? It's all jerky, right? Strobe light, perfect description.
- I vote Edmondsesque. Sort of as ridiculous as Kafka, no?
- Shoot, I forget the third one. My friend Sam Adams was talking to me.
when bigbie comes back...
by sjoshi on Aug 8, 2006 8:59 PM EDT reply actions
I'd rather dump Bigbie, honestly
Bigbie
he did
Bigbie's Rehab
It may be moot, though. Bigbie was lifted in the third inning tonight for Cody Haerther. He was the lead runner in a double play (after singling) in the first. The way his luck has gone, it wouldn't be shocking if he injured himself on the play. It would be disappointing, though.
Already have it on mute
:-)
oh, third one
Which one is he?
he's the one who sounds like
reds fan asking
i know is ERA in in the clouds, but he's what, 12-5? ok, maybe i have the loses wrong, but why would you want to replace him.
just asking.
We want to replace him because
As far as pitchers with ERAs over 6 go
I'd definitely be eager to see what the guy could do in the bullpen, though, because he's got one pitch and it's a hard fastball.
Marquis to the 'pen
He could be one of those so-called "rubber-armed" relievers who can pitch effectively when he comes into every other game--and I'm inclined to think La Russa would give him every opportunity to establish himself as a solid cross-platoon relief pitcher if he'd agree to go to the bullpen.
On the other hand, the Marquis first-inning ineffectiveness (real or not) coupled with his poor numbers (this year) with runners on make him look like a less-than-promising reliever.
Because my
Sosa looks like a stud out there....
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Question
Don't get me wrong - i think Marquis is kinda egotistical and not really any good...but I'd rather get something for nothing than nothing for nothing...
Milton done, Weathers warming up...
Things are looking up. Just get us out of this inning Sosa.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Tough to tell since he keeps throwing 87 to 86....
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he just throwing junk down and away
(Yes I know Weaver was good last night but color me skeptical...guys been off all year. Good career numbers but let me see another start like that...then we'll talk)
his breaking pitch
Where is he locating them
stupid being at work and not being able to watch the game...
up and in, down and on the outside corner
agreed
we're just now starting to see that some more with Reyes and Sosa who throw a little bit harder than anyone not named Carpenter on the cardinals
it still has a lot to do with movement...but mph can cover some pitching sins quite nicely.
Thank you
Let's hope the Cards jump all over the Reds bullpen.
He and Wainwright are neck and neck...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to see him in the rotation myself
Judging by Weathers' pic on GC
I don't know how you can get in the umps face
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How did Weathers
Wow
Okay Tony...
F-ing Belliard
So, I'm watching the game on MLBTV
I using Mosaic...
So do you have to be in the dugout
What IS the rule on that?
Well...
You mean back when our lefty specialists
DAMN IT TYLER JOHNSON
1st pitch fastball?!?!?!
Just stupid. Throw your best pitch (slider). Dunn is sitting nothing but dead red fastball.
stupid.
So, Tyler Johnson...
We've scored 9 runs in the top of the 9th...
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 8, 2006 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
True enough...
State College Bottom 9th
Pitcher Change: Matthew Meyer replaces Hart Hering.
Willian Sandoval singles on a fly ball to right fielder Cirilo Cumberbatch.
With Nathan Southard batting, Willian Sandoval steals (10) 2nd base.
With Nathan Southard batting, Willian Sandoval steals (11) 3rd base.
Nathan Southard triples (3) on a fly ball to right fielder Cirilo Cumberbatch. Willian Sandoval scores.
Allen Craig singles on a line drive to right fielder Cirilo Cumberbatch. Nathan Southard scores.
Southard
Good question
I just can't believe
<3 tony's little cards.




















