the road to wellsville
you know the cliche: desperate times call for flabby, obnoxious, bald 43-year-old pitchers. now that they're finally convinced that mulder is toast --- and they are convinced now, aren't they . . . ? --- the cardinals are scouting david wells. a boston beat writer says st louis is taking a serious run at him. and the awful truth is that he would probably improve the rotation.
typical laduncan hurler: veteran, throws strikes, gets grounders, pitches to contact. i thought i'd puke when i first heard this idea, but after checking out wells's game log i've decided i can live with the acquisition if it happens. for the last month he has pitched quite effectively --- 2.65 era in august, 4 quality starts in 5 outings, a respectable k rate (5.3 per 9 innings) and an excellent k:w ratio (4:1). on the other hand, he's yielding a .287 opp average over that span and a .448 slugging avg, not impressive figures. he has survived by keeping the ball in the park (mostly) and not walking anybody --- thin margin for error, and he's only stayed within it for 4 or 5 starts. it's a total coin flip as to whether he can keep getting guys out over his next 5 starts; just as likely it all blows up on him. but really, what choice do the cardinals have? yeah, there's reyes, but tony/dave obviously have no intention of giving him a postseason start anyway, not under any circumstances; if the cards don't go out and get wells or some other replacement for mulder, then we're gonna have to watch both weaver and marquis make october starts --- if october lasts more than 3 games.
so the choice really isn't between wells and reyes; it's between wells and marquis. and if those are my two options, i'll take wells. stupid options, but that's reality.
the cardinals undoubtedly find wells' long record of postseason success attractive, but at his age that's fairly meaningless. to my knowledge, only 1 pitcher as old as 43 years old has ever started and won a postseason game: roger clemens, who did it last season vs the cardinals in the nlcs. i'm not 100 pct sure of myself on that; there may be a geezerer postseason winner in the record books somewhere. if you know who that might be, post a comment. i do know that 43-year-old dennis martinez won a playoff game in relief for the '98 braves; also that the cards' last championship team fielded a 43-year-old relief pitcher -- jim kaat, who pitched in a career-high 62 games for the '82 club (a career high in games at age 43?) and made another 4 appearances in the world series.
man, the greybeards are gonna be everywhere come october. randy johnson (43) will be making playoff starts for the yankees, and jamie moyer (pert near 44) will be doing the same for the phillies if that team wins the wild card; glavine (mets) and maddux (dodgers) are both 40, kenny rogers (tigers) is 41, and orlando hernandez (mets) is 40 going on 47 or something. so if the cards pin their hopes on a weary old arm, they won't be alone. best-case --- they pick up wells to replace mulder, come to their senses on reyes and give him marquis' slot, and go into october with carp supps wells and reyes in the rotation. a presentable group -- and likely the best st louis can muster in 2006.
re mulder's awfulness: his era is now 7.14, the 2d-worst single-season mark in franchise history among pitchers with 10 or more starts. here are the 10 worst era's:
| year | starts | era | |
|---|---|---|---|
| an benes | 2001 | 19 | 7.38 |
| mulder | 2006 | 17 | 7.14 |
| bu smith | 2002 | 10 | 6.94 |
| brooks | 1955 | 10 | 6.56 |
| sutcliffe | 1994 | 14 | 6.52 |
| briles | 1970 | 19 | 6.24 |
| sykes | 1979 | 11 | 6.18 |
| kline | 1960 | 17 | 6.04 |
| forsch | 1984 | 11 | 6.02 |
| aybar | 1998 | 14 | 5.98 |
i'm on the road all day, back just before game time with an open thread.
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Manny Aybar
The legend of Aybar (and of Ankiel, for that matter), is the primary reason why I trust no prospect to actually produce at the MLB level
In the words of Lou Brock.............
This is the honest to god truth. Came straight from his mouth in spring training a while ago.
by Poooo Daddy on Aug 30, 2006 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
David Wells
I'm all for getting Wells, but the truth is this team is flawed and if they give up much of anything to get him I'll be disappointed. He might push them over the top of the NL (might) but, even in a short series, I don't think the Birds are good enough to win the Series. Not with this starting pitching. Too bad Carp can't be cloned, or pitch effectively on one day's rest. Maybe that's the problem- Carpenter is soft...
by Pokey Joe on Aug 30, 2006 7:17 AM EDT reply actions
I dunno
I hate our pitching corps
And I hate that we are teaching "pitch to contact" to kids in A ball. *&%^#$(
could
Half of the Cardinal fans wouldnt know that term if it hit em in the head....now they read it a few times and are ready to jump off the Poplar Street Bridge.
Its one of those "baseball terms" that fans grab on to and make WAY too big a deal out of. Its not a big deal for those in the game and know...its fans who overreact to this stuff.
I would like to think
The purpose of a "pitch to contact" approach is to minimize the number of pitches thrown per batter and to minimize the damage caused by balls put into play. This is done by getting ahead of the hitters and to change speed & location (preferably low in the zone) in an attempt to get groundballs and other weakly struck outs. And the reason for doing this is to allow the hurlers to work longer into games, both from effectiveness and efficiency.
The problem that I see with our starters (outside of Carpenter) is that they don't throw enough strikes, especially early in the count, and that they are too predictable with their location in the zone. If I want a batter to swing at pitches out of the zone, he needs to be behind in the count to cause him to expand his zone. If I want a struck ball to be hit meekly to a fielder, I need to vary speed and location WITHIN the zone so he can't put a clean swing at the pitch. If I want to fool the batter into taking a less than perfect hack at my less than perfect pitches, I can't limit myself to one or two types of pitches in the bottom half of the zone.
Get ahead, keep them off balance, keep them guessing. Not fall behind and give in, go to the same pitch over and over, and stick to the same gameplan all the time.
Beano, if you have any thoughts that can add to or correct my earlier statements, I seriously welcome your input.
As for young Master Reyes, it is most certainly possible for a majority of his struggles to be attributed to his lack of experience and normal growing pains in his first real taste of the Majors. He has enjoyed success at nearly every level of his development, so he may be unaccustomed to failure and may be unable at this time to work his way out of it. It is also possible that his early, high-profile success caused his own failures, as opposing teams would have looked to video of the White Sox game for tips on how he tries to get batters out.
But to think that switching a significant portion of his pitch usage to an option he is unfamiliar and unsuccessful with would not have a profound effect is ridiculous. The amount of two-seamers that he is asked to throw (through game-planning and pitch selection offered by his catchers) is something that I would expect out of a spring training or rehabilitation start.
If a particular pitch isn't working during an outing, you try it a few more times to see if you can get it back or you scrap it for the rest of the night. For Duncan to have one of his pitchers throw something that is obviously not working, irregardless of the results, is foolish. One, it potentially ruins the pitcher's confidence because he can't go back to something that works. Two, you've basically broadcast to the hitters, "Guess what? I'm gonna throw this worthless sinker again. Have a rip!" (Would you want Izzy to continually throw his cutter because "it can be a great pitch", all the while he's being lit up like a Christmas tree? Oh shit, that already happened. OK, bad analogy ...)
I think Duncan is a hell of a pitching coach, worthy of all of the praise that is heaped on him. He has fixed many pitchers, the suspect veterans and the untamed. He has made the unwashed masses mediocre and the league-average league-leaders. I also think that Anthony has plenty to learn from Duncan and the other pitchers on the staff.
But to shove a process down the throat of the young hurler just because it's worked before with some other guys is just a bad idea. Let Reyes implement the two-seamer 5-10 times a game. Work with him during spring training to make sure he gets it; let him take his lumps down there.
Most importantly, let him overcome one hurdle at a time. Let him fail with his best stuff and learn from it; then you can come in with the perfect solution.
Not to mention...
It's not just the phrase that evokes my wrath
Or here's another idea. If a pitcher has a pedigree of winning games and being effective w/o a 2-seam fastball or throwing low in the zone or pitching to contact, LET THEM.
Call it what you will but DD and TLR have tried to impose changes on a 24 year old player who has a track record of success. That is foolish. Why are we fixing things that aren't broken? Just because DD/TLR think it might be a problem in the future? It's a bad organization philosophy to want 5 pitching clones in your rotation that all lob the same slop over the bottom corners of the plate.
I would rather
by DimitroffVodka on Aug 30, 2006 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
Dude, relax
Regarding Reyes, he had success in the minors as a fastball-changeup guy. He's had little success in the majors as a sinkerballer.
I know there's light years of diff between AAA and the bigs, but what's wrong with letting him pitch the way he knows how? Then if he continually gets knocked around, then you can start tinkering with the sinker.
For a team that has started a sucky Marquis and an injured Mulder over and over, it seems that they should give Reyes the same chance as a four-seam guy.
Or maybe it's just more evidence that TLR and Dunc don't like young pitchers. >;-)
by 26thMan on Aug 30, 2006 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
hey
Again, I think people are making things up with Reyes regarding Duncan/LaRussa/pitch to contact. Never once has there been a quote or evidence that Duncan asked Reyes to never strike people out and never throw the four seamer. This is an urban legend that has taken on a life of its own.
What Duncan HAS done is ask Anthony to INCORPORATE a sinker into his repetoire. He hasnt said "you must change to exactly" this. He has just asked him to learn a new pitch. A pitch that will make him a more complete pitcher.
I only get pissed when I read these comments that Duncan is completely changing him. No, he isnt. He is ADDING to the arsenal he already has. If someone can find evidence to the contrary, let er rip. Until then, lets not make stuff up.
Many of the Reyes worshipers feel his success/struggles on the major league level are based EXCLUSIVELY on the fact that he has been asked to throw a sinker now and again. As for me, I kind of figure his successes/struggles on the major league level have to do with the fact that he is facing really good hitters...teams who are learning how to gameplan against him...basically he is doing what many, many, many other rookie pitchers have done before him. Have some good starts, and then some bad ones.
Case in point..Scott Olsen last night. He had been awful his previous three or so starts. Last night, he was great. So was that because he was asked to pitch completely different or was he just going through the normal bumps/bruises that almost all rookie hurlers go through?
Why would Reyes be immune to such early career struggles?
Again, can someone please point to actual quotes/articles/evidence that Duncan is trying to completely change Reyes?? I would love to see it. But, of course, people will still talk as if its the gospel.
It's not Reyes worship
I actually
However, this is an entirely different issue than the obession with the two-seam/pitch-to-contact/changing Reyes debate. They arent the same thing.
You're looking for 'hard' evidence
Question: if all of us can see that reyes is one of the best five starting pitchers currently on the 40 man roster and should be with the major league club, wouldn't it lead you to believe that tlr/dunc who (as you indicate) know more about baseball than most of us would want him on the roster and pitching?
If he's not in the rotation, then wouldn't that indicate that he MAY have done something to displease one or both of them? Such as NOT adopting a particular pitch or change in philosophy that has been "suggested?"
I'm not getting into whether he should or shouldn't change his repetoire/philosophy.
One side: tlr/dunc know what a picher needs to do to succeed in the majors.
The other side: Reyes has been successful thus far in his career with a different style than they are suggesting.
I'm not sure which of those is more persuasive.
I don't think this is "Logic"
by foolish on Aug 30, 2006 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
foolish,
-noun
1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.
Yep, that's what I did.
2. a particular method of reasoning or argumentation: "We were unable to follow his logic."
Yep, that too.
3. the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study.
Not so much.
4. reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions: There wasn't much logic in her move.
You may disagree whether or not it's sound, but not whether or not it's logic.
5. convincing forcefulness; inexorable truth or persuasiveness: the irresistible logic of the facts.
It seems that this is the definition that you were referring to.
I'm not going to start an argument man,
by foolish on Aug 30, 2006 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that...
I really believe that the advice Duncan gave Reyes is a good one, but it seems that there is something to work onto for Reyes to adopt it, maybe more mentally than physically.
GO CARDS!!!
understood
If he cuts down on walks and home runs, he will be fine.
he gives up the most homeruns
The reason he pitches the 2 seamer is because Dunc tells him to. When he pitches to his strengths instead of the one forced by TLR and Dunc (as he does in AAA or a couple games this year) he does better.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 30, 2006 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly
See an earlier post
by dontEATnachos on Aug 30, 2006 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
again
ok
I do not have physical proof of this because a) I don't watch most of the games b) I probably wouldn't be able to tell you based on how it looks whether it is or isn't a 2/4 seamer.
Other people who do keep track of this stuff have made the comments I linked to above.
Again I'm not saying that Duncan is a bad pitching coach. I'm just saying that in this case the evidence seems to support that when Reyes tries to throw that way he gets abused.
I'm not saying that if his 2-seamer was good, throwing it would be a bad idea, I'm just saying that there's evidence that at this point in time it's not really working for him ... and when he pitches it he gets hit more.
If you disagree with that I'm going to let someone else try to convince you because I don't know what else I can do.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 30, 2006 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Reyes
I blame Hurricane Katrina on the two-seamer.
That's cause
by dontEATnachos on Aug 30, 2006 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Making things up?
Reyes, through his minor league career, has shown that he can absolutely overpower batters...he doesn't have to pitch to contact. He pitches to no-contact.
Perhaps (and I'm just thinking aloud, like we're allowed to on this blog, I think) using the pitch-to-contact philosophy with power pitchers is the wrong idea.
Nobody knows for sure, except for perhaps Anthony himself. But I don't think anyone here has made the definitive claim that Dave and Tony's pitching philosophy have "ruined" Reyes. We see potential, and we're itchy to see him become who we think he can.
So, slow down with the "urban myth" stuff and realize this is a blog where people can say things and propose ideas and not necessarily have a research paper written to back it up.
Just admit it, the possibility of Reyes' change of character on the mound (between AAA and the majors) being attributable to TLR's and Duncan's philosophy exists. Thats all some people here (myself included) are trying to say.
by EckEqualsClutch on Aug 30, 2006 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
fair
Again, Anthony ain't the first young pitcher to have some up and down results early in his career.
No doubt...
We all wanted the guy to step in and be an instant barn-burner, but I think we'll settle for a transition period for what he's shown he's capable of. I've got Cole Hamels on my fantasy team, and everytime he pitches, I think to myself, Reyes is as good or better.
I have total confidence in Duncan and his views on pitching, by the way. The man has been nothing but successful, putting up what, 7 Cy Youngers? And there's been no reports that I've seen, rumor or otherwise, saying that Reyes is angry or frustrated with any changes put on him by Dunc or TLR. But it does take a certain type of player to take constructive criticism on needing adjustments or adding pitches to succeed. I wonder what kind of emotions the guy feels after being the best thing since corn dogs in the minor league and coming up to the next level and being told he needs more.
by EckEqualsClutch on Aug 30, 2006 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
true
I just read a couple different articles on Felix Hernandez of the Mariners. A much higher rated prospect that Reyes who has struggled. He has been told to "pitch" more and "throw" less. These types of struggles arent unique to Reyes.
I agree that there is a certain
But at the beginning of the year Reyes was sent down to the minors to explixcity work on the sinking fastball.
I just don't understand... why do we want Reyes to add a sinking fastball? Isn't a 4-seam, changeup, curve enough? I don't understand the motivation behind having him master that ONE pitch when he didn't need it before (last year in the bigs or earlier this year).
Duncan changing Reyes
- Management was very worried about Reyes mechanics because they were so similar to those of Mark Prior and they fear durability issues.
- Duncan constantly makes the pitchers throw 2 seamers instead of 4 seamers. (So much so that pitchers who desperately want to make the roster have nearly stopped throwing 4 seamers.)
- The players recognized that they had a 2nd Base problem by the end of the first week of spring training games.
- Marquis hates the pitch to contact philosophy and wants desperately to strike guys out. (Macho thing)(He tried it early in the year by throwing more 4 seamers and curveballs...with mixed results.)
- John Mabry would have played in St. Louis for nearly nothing in 2006, had the Cards wanted him.
truthfully
it hasnt been lack of effort or trying
he just doesnt have anything to offer
Why feel bad?
and to build a house in AZ
by Poooo Daddy on Aug 30, 2006 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope Mulder
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 30, 2006 8:32 AM EDT reply actions
just a million
Mulder will get a year @ 4-5 million + incentives
pitching is that expensive right now
talk to Oswalt
he isn't done
by BigJawnMize on Aug 30, 2006 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
The question will be....
by BleacherBum on Aug 30, 2006 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
nah, me neither
by BigJawnMize on Aug 30, 2006 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The situation is similiar
by BleacherBum on Aug 30, 2006 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
well after
Rub-A-Dub-Dub
by Baily on Aug 30, 2006 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
mmm, baseball pizza
Wells
by stlmapman on Aug 30, 2006 9:18 AM EDT reply actions
They could always
hahahahaha
I think my 5 year old brother could have hit that 69mph "changeup" Mulder threw last night...sad to see someone who was so good fall so fast (esp. while playing for the Cardinals - not so sad when its Wood/Prior)
I'm surprised they are looking at Wells now
I'm confused
I mean, here's a guy who is making 7,750,000 this year to perform poorly.
I recognize it's difficult/sad to watch anyone just fall apart at something that they used to do so well, but, if his career is over, he made more money than most us us will likely make in our lifetimes.
For throwing a baseball, playing a game.
It's not like Tom Browning whose arm broke while he was throwing the pill, or Dravecky who lost his arm to cancer.
and, if earlier posts here are true and he's going back for another mri, he's a fool for having been pitching hurt and or not knowing he was hurt.
Thanks rul
It's almost worse: he knows something is wrong and keeps going out there.
I feel bad for him
by steve in georgia on Aug 30, 2006 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I dont know
How much money he makes means nothing in this equation. Again, no one said we should hold a candlelight vigil but it doesnt give me joy to see someone who used to be so good, be so bad in such a short period of time.
I'm not suggesting "joy"
I feel sorry for people affected by katrina, for people with cancer, for people dealing with a variety of adversitites; but a multimillionaire (yes, money has something to do with it) who may only be hurt and worse case is moving on with his life?
Nah, I can't feel sorry for him.
I disagree
hmm
I'm not going to shed a tear for a guy who's made more money than I'll probably ever see in my life and can now spend the rest of his life chilling out and playing golf.
I think the point is that there are lots of people who face tragic situations who deserver more sympathy than a major league pitcher with some arm slot problems.
What this has to do with baseball in general ... who knows. I guess it gets back to the continued debate about whether "he has heart" or not.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 30, 2006 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ankiel syndrome?
He shouldn't be pitching like the way he is. He should have had a surgery in June.
Again with the surgery...
by RB @ Viva El Birdos on Aug 30, 2006 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Has it been mentioned that Well's contract...
David Wells p
2 years/$8M (2005-06)
* signed as free agent 12/04
* $3M signing bonus
* 05:$2.5M, 06:$2.5M
* may earn additional $10M in incentives based on starts:
o $0.2M for 11-20 GS, $0.3M for 21-30 GS
Yow! I'm not lobbying against it, I just wonder if ownership will.
He's made 8 starts, so the next two are already paid for. He's scheduled to take his turn Thursday, IIRC, so if you acquired him and he started Thursday he'd likely make 7 starts before the end of the regular season. That's 2.5MM...for a month.
That'll be a hard sell for Jocketty.
what else can they do?
Oswalt
Oswalt the Astro
$73m for 5 years
Is that the sound of Mulder crying?
nice home-town discount
2008 $13M
2009 $14M
2010 $15M
2011 $16M
2012 $12M club option w/2M buyout
And a complete no trade clause.
FWIW pecota says he maxed out at $13M this year and will fall from $11M next year to $6M in 2010. And that is assuming he never gets hurt!
Of course pecota is awful for predicting performance but still, it is a brave move for the astros- they are setting themselves up for bagwell pt 2. Now if we can talk them into signing clemens again next year...
46 year old Hoyt Wilhelm
by Mad Lithuanian on Aug 30, 2006 11:30 AM EDT reply actions
Izzy
I guess it just makes me want to give him a bit of pass for what has been an off year. Here's hoping he finishes the year strong.
david wells
carp
suppan
marquis
reyes
wells
looks better than if those last 2 lines were
mulder
weaver
by sjoshi on Aug 30, 2006 12:17 PM EDT reply actions
Oswalt and Ankiel
Ankiel I always thought another fat boy was responsible for some of his problems Carlos hernandez. I was a cathcer not great but certain pitchers preferd me due to hustle. even though the other guy had a better arm.
Pitchers prefer certain guys..ask tim wakefield. I think with matheny out it affected him some. not all some
You always look less stellar
thats not what im refering too
by punchinjudy on Aug 30, 2006 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Red Sox are asking the world for Wells...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 30, 2006 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
then...
by SchwabbaMoose on Aug 30, 2006 12:23 PM EDT reply actions
Edmonds and Mulder both done for season?
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=cardinalsinjuries&prov=st&type=lgns
ST. LOUIS (TICKER) -- The St. Louis Cardinals reportedly could be without lefthander Mark Mulder and center fielder Jim Edmonds for the rest of the season.
The web site of the St. Louis Post Dispatch reported Wednesday that Mulder will undergo an MRI and further testing on his ailing left shoulder after lasting just 1 2/3 innings in Tuesday's start.
In a separate story, the website also reported that Edmonds, who has been suffering from post-concussion syndrome, also will undergo tests this week. The Cardinals are uncertain whether he will return this season.
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 30, 2006 12:29 PM EDT reply actions
just read that too
PCS
LaRussa can't decide if progress has been made?
<QUOTE>"We were looking for the next step (in his progress)," Cardinals manager Tony La Russa said. "We'll discuss whether it was made or not."</QUOTE>
Reminds me of a post that lboros made the other day about Tony making comments just like this one.
Now, I realize I'm not the manager, but uh, I don't think you need to discuss whether giving up 5 runs in 1 and 1/3 innings is good progress. It's not.
by sgfcards on Aug 30, 2006 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I think what Tony may look at is this...
Mulder had gotten to 2 outs in the 2nd without giving up any runs in the 2nd and in fact had a chance of getting out of that inning had he gloved the ball hit right back to him.
While, you...me and Dupree over there know that Mulder had none stuff out there on the mound, as far as situationally, Mulder did improve to an extent.
The worst part of the whole evening was watching him get back up on the bump and get the signs after every pitch. He was breathing heavy, trying to take deep breaths and saying to himself under his breath "Okay....Okay" like he was trying to remember how to pitch.
Yikes.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 30, 2006 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW the last name of the guy in 1955
He was a black guy that got a late start in pro ball and had a fine season in 1954 and then a couple of really good seasons for the Reds.
I think somebody here posted an all-time Cardinal black player lineup. Lawrence would fit into the rotation.
By the way, I think they had Dmitri Young at first base.
Somehow, Bill White must've been overlooked.
A flyer on Wells
by Birds on the Bat in AZ on Aug 30, 2006 2:28 PM EDT reply actions
Just wondering
by Edmonds is baseball on Aug 30, 2006 2:47 PM EDT reply actions
he's in
From ESPN.com's preview of tonight's game
Marquis was not sharp in his last start Wednesday, giving up seven runs in six innings in a 6-2 loss to the New York Mets. The righthander has struggled in his last six starts, going 1-5 with a 6.44 ERA."
- Damn it! Marquis has made the most starts for us. Not good.
- He's so bad, that in his last start, he gave up runs that didn't even show up on the scoreboard!
Why are all Mets fans...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 30, 2006 3:30 PM EDT reply actions
Mets will not go all the way this year
The reckoning is coming...BOOK IT! :-)
Uh-oh...
From Ken Rosenthal on the amazing Marlins:
"...even certain owners are figuring out that decision-making is as important as money-making for a franchise to achieve long-term success.
Cardinals chairman Bill DeWitt Jr., defending his team's budget, inadvertently violated the owners' code last week, telling the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, "Everybody wants there to be a linear relationship between payroll and winning. The facts don't support that."
Memo to Ken and Bill: You need to spend money AND make good decisions to win the World Series!!!
Is this really so difficult to understand?
"the facts don't support that"??
Rosenthal should have interviewed Steinbrenner.
Yes, that would specifically be the team
yeah, but...
they aren't talking about spending 215 million (like the Yankees) because it isn't feasible. they are talking about the difference between 95-100 million or 90-95 million.
and they are right. it's about decision-making, not just throwing money around. if it were about simply throwing money around, then Steve Phillips would still have a job somewhere.
Bernie says no-go on Wells
Forget about it...
It's over....
Red Sox about 2 hours ago rejected the Cardinals' offer of a prospect or two from the lower levels of the minors.
The Red Sox told the Cardinals they could have Wells in exchange for one of these three players:
Adam Wainwright
Chris Duncan
Colby Rasmus
Oh, sure...
Jocketty was right to turn that down. Wells could blow up at anytime. He's one pitch away from a season-ending injury.
--B
He's right, of course
If this is the kind of trade the Sox are demanding, I don't see how they make a deal at all.
Sounds like the Red Sox are not very serious about
by steve in georgia on Aug 30, 2006 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the same logic
Trade a player for something, even a low-level prospect, now, or lose him at the end of the season and get zilch? Seems like a no-brainer, especially for the Sox. Wells has indicated he might retire, in which case they truly get nothing. At least Washington will get a draft pick when Soriano signs elsewhere.
This also smells like a ploy...the Sox watched Mulder last night, too. They were hoping to catch Walt in panic mode. They may still come back when they find out no one else will give them a ML-ready player for a month's worth of Wells, either.
What's interesting
Essentially there would no longer be compensation for that.
You can read a little about it here.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 30, 2006 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
not surprised
All this is not meant to be an explanation for what Epstein is thinking/doing. He will have Wells for a month, miss the playoffs, and wind up with nothing because he held out for an unrealistic trade.
Surgery for Mulder
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5919530
I wonder if continuing to trot him out there in May/June and July/August made it worse....
and from his replacement candidate...
from ESPN.com
Rolen didn't trust Paletta....
Wow...
Larussa Glossary
You saw what I saw = I've got no answers
Pitch to contact = 2 run HR
Lefthanded pitching = another L
Play a hard nine = trot out the struggling pitcher de jour and hope the offense shows up
Chris Carpenter = Cy Young winner with ANY support from the bullpen (e.g., Isringhausen)
Neatest guy ever = So Taguchi
Our best available option = fans' worst nightmare
He did some good things out there = He had no clue out there
We just couldn't make a pitch to get out of the inning = I left him out there too long again.
I don't know if he's going to be available = Our medical staff has no idea what they're doing
Physically he''s fine = No, he's not
It's mental = I'm mental
Izzy's our only option = We're hosed
The only mistake he made was walking the leadoff batter = That's the kind of intelligence we look for in a pitcher
He was good to go a couple days ago = No, he wasn't
His results were mixed = His results varied between awful and horrendous
We gave it an outstanding shot = We played a hard eight.
No excuses = It wasn't me
It was exciting in the first inning = And then our opponent batted.
When our pitching is vulnerable we protect it = When our pitching is vulnerable they crush it.
I think he just tried to press early - I think he's just making up his own game plan.
I think his pitch selection wasn't very good in the first half = His pitch selection wasn't any better the second half.
by cardsfan2222 on Aug 30, 2006 5:18 PM EDT reply actions
why
by cardsfan2222 on Aug 30, 2006 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
why?...
well
FYI, it isn't even funny. If your gonna post that, make it funny :)
okay....
It's harmless tongue-in-cheek humor
There are plenty of humorous posts on this site (see the Gary Bennett diary for example).
Mulder reportedly has
by cards19 on Aug 30, 2006 5:30 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe he'll have surgery
What I do not understand
It should have been obvious to anyone that Mulder was not capable of getting Major League batters out before he threw five pitches. Who the hell is accountable? Even if Mulder could be accused of overconfidence, he didn't warm up in the dark. I've got to put this on Duncan to start, and LaRussa for not stopping it before it began.
And forget the idea of a bullpen game this weekend, we had one last night.


















