sizing up the mvp candidates
those of you who read Reverend Redbird have heard by now that the blog will be discontinued. that's a loss for the card-blogosphere --- the rev will be missed. but he won't disappear entirely; erik manning, aka the rev, has agreed to write a weekly post here at VEB. i'm psyched to have him on board --- he's a great writer who knows the game, knows the organization, and knows the cardinal tradition. he does tend to overuse capital letters, but just let that go --- he'll do a great job anyway. erik's gonna be posting every sunday -- fitting day to hear from a reverend, no? -- starting this week. i'm really looking forward to his contributions. so welcome, erik, and thank you for adding your voice to the site.
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ken rosenthal opined on sunday that st louis native ryan howard ranks right up there with pujols and beltran as a leading contender for the nl mvp trophy heading into september. yesterday joe sheehan at baseball prospectus wrote (subscrip only) that the marlins' miguel cabrera belongs on the short list. and i'll add my own dark-horse candidate: lance berkman, a one-man offense who very quietly ranks among the league leaders in almost everything.
there's still a month left to play, so it's way too soon to be handing out the award --- but not too soon to size up the race. coming out of an off day, this morning seems a fine time to do some comparin' n contrastin'.
without further ado, then, i give you this table: the numbers in parentheses indicate the player's rank among nl hitters in that particular category:
| pujols | beltran | howard | cabrera | berkman | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HR | 38 (t3) | 38 (t3) | 46 (1) | 23 (t17) | 36 (6) |
| RBI | 107 (4) | 108 (3) | 121 (1) | 97 (6) | 110 (2) |
| R | 94 (7) | 104 (3) | 79 (22) | 92 (8) | 75 (t27) |
| AVG | .323 (5) | .286 (34) | .292 (26) | .340 (2) | .308 (12) |
| OBP | .424 (2) | .390 (11) | .381 (17) | .429 (1) | .414 (4) |
| SLG | .665 (1) | .633 (2) | .623 (3) | .590 (6) | .614 (4) |
| OPS | 1.089 (1) | 1.022 (3) | 1.004 (5) | 1.018 (4) | 1.027 (2) |
if you worship at the altar of OPS, then you like this quintet of candidates --- they're 1 through 5 in the nl in that category, widely used as a quick-dirty shorthand for overall offensive production. as i read these numbers, pujols currently has the strongest claim on the award, for a simple reason: he's the only one of these five players to rate among the nl's top 10 in all 7 of these categories. just scan down his column: he's a top-five player on 6 of the 7 leaderboards; his lowest ranking is 7th place (runs scored), and even there he has the 2d-highest total among these candidates. albert also leads the national league in two of the categories (slugging and ops); among the other candidates, only howard (hr, rbi) and cabrera (obp) are league leaders in anything.
let's turn now to some of the more popular sabermetric measurements and see how the contenders stack up. to the numbers:
| pujols | beltran | howard | cabrera | berkman | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| VORP | 65.4 (2) | 62.8 (3) | 48.5 (7) | 66.0 (1) | 54.6 (4) |
| WinSh | 27 (t1) | 27 (t1) | 17 (18) | 21 (5) | 24 (3) |
| EqAv | .337 (1) | .321 (4) | .312 (7) | .330 (2) | .323 (3) |
| RC/27 | 9.63 (1) | 8.85 (3) | 8.44 (6) | 8.79 (4) | 9.21 (2) |
| WPA | 6.93 (1) | 4.63 (3) | 5.55 (2) | 4.01 (4) | 3.61 (5) |
pujols' case burns even brighter by these lights. scan down his column again --- he holds or shares the national league lead in 4 of these 5 categories, and ranks a close 2d in the last one. while both beltran and cabrera also fare very well on these charts, it would appear that the award is albert's to lose . . . . well, that's too strong. let's put it this way: my 1st-place vote would be his to lose, if'n i had a ballot. but i don't, of course, and each of the men who do have a vote tends to have his own way of looking at things. some will find ry howard's gaudy hr and rbi totals irresistible; others will be persuaded by beltran's all-around excellence and his team's league-best won-lost record. beltran's point total will probably be goosed just a tad by virtue of his playing in the Center of the Known Universe; he also will (and should) get extra credit for playing a key defensive position and playing it well. but albert's got a high profile and is a likely gold-glove defender this season, so he may neutralize beltran's advantages. if the vote were held today, i think it would be a pretty close call between those two; the other three are all within striking distance, though, and with a hot september any of them could get in position to win the award. cabrera appears to have nearly as viable a candidacy as beltran, and berkman isn't far behind; if either guy's team wins 20 september games and makes the playoffs, one of them could sneak off with the award.
the stat that might represent pujols' strongest argument is also the one that's least understood: WPA, or win probability added. i've referred to it enough times that most of you know it by now; for those who don't, read up here. WPA puts players' production into context, reflecting how much it contributed toward actual wins. in this system, a walkoff three-run homer like the one pujols hit vs the reds easter sunday counts for infinitely more than a three-run homer that comes in the 9th inning of a 10-run blowout. pujols leads the major leagues in WPA; not even david ortiz, with all his walkoff hits, has directly improved his team's fortunes more than el hombre. voters are constantly groping for the essence of "valuable," looking beyond the numbers --- or deeper into them --- to sift through intangibles like which guy hits in the clutch, which guy executes the "little" things, which guy leads by example, which guy raises the game of the players around him, and so on and so forth. these are all valid considerations, imho, albeit completely subjective in most cases. most voters want to base their vote on more than what's in a guy's stat line; WPA gives them an excellent benchmark for doing so. it reflects not just how many hits a guy got but also how meaningful they were. evidently pujols has gotten a lot of meaningful hits --- more than any of his rivals for the mvp award; more, indeed, than any player in baseball.
remind me at the end of the season, and i'll re-run these tables with the full-year data. for now, suffice to say that albert is mounting a tremendous defense of his mvp trophy.
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I believe that
GO CARDS!!!
by SuperSeve on Aug 29, 2006 6:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who is the NL MVP?
by Alxfritz on Aug 29, 2006 7:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 29, 2006 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is the fund drive going?
by Intheway on Aug 29, 2006 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he keeps smacking the Cubs
by sdrone on Aug 29, 2006 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thnx again larry...and about lance
as far as berkman goes, yes he does deserve mention...but i still can't stand the guy. can there be a most valuable jerk award?
looking at those numbers i think most of us will take pujols, but i'm guessing beltran will win it. we'll see how the last month of the season plays out.
(all small case post)
by erik on Aug 29, 2006 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is it about Berkman that you don't like?
by steve in georgia on Aug 29, 2006 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: most valuable jerk award
by cardsrul on Aug 29, 2006 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kenny Lofton? the good ol' double B?
by Valatan on Aug 29, 2006 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and don't forget
by ArachNerd on Aug 29, 2006 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was 2004
by SchwabbaMoose on Aug 29, 2006 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the
by sdrone on Aug 29, 2006 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so...
by whopperman on Aug 29, 2006 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Though I guess I should have also
by Valatan on Aug 29, 2006 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
by joker24 on Aug 29, 2006 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I'd nominate the crazy person who designed that stadium. "What it really needs is a hill and three flag poles in the middle of the outfield. OOH OOH AND TRAIN!!!"
by dontEATnachos on Aug 29, 2006 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think in that case
by DanUpBaby on Aug 29, 2006 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Fella's... come on!..
by Timbo02 on Aug 29, 2006 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
i was already a little sour and when they asked berkman about how he felt about playing in the last ever game at busch, he said he could care less. like i said, i was already sour, and i didn't need that kinda crap right then. jerk.
by erik on Aug 29, 2006 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
erik --- you'll be great
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do you think pujols needs to win one of the triple crown categories outright to get this award? he's not gonna catch howard in homers, but he's stil capable of winning either the batting or rbi title.
to the extent voters overemphasize the trip-crown stats, it would seem to hurt both pujols and beltran and favor howard. on that basis, pujols trumps beltran --- even in hr / rbi (actually ahead of him, once you adjust for playing time lost to injury) and 50 points better in batting avg. but howard trumps 'em both --- league leader in two of the three categories.
by lboros on Aug 29, 2006 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If howard wasn't so far down in AVG
I also wonder if the voters are going to try to use Beltran's speed as a justification for voting for him, though I guess he really hasn't stolen as many bases this year as he is normally accustomed to.
Unless someone goes on a major tear, I have a feeling that the voting is going to be very close...
by Valatan on Aug 29, 2006 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am guessing
- He won it last year, which automatically gives him plenty of folks that are watching him intently.
- Beltran will not be playing quite as much as Albert in September, with the NL East firmly in hand, it's time to rest some guys for October. Since the Reds are licking at our heels, Albert will play almost every game.
- Beltran's team is better. Without Carlos, I think the Mets still win the East, without Albert we'd be lucky to be chasing the Cubs.
- I think that most voters will take into account Albert's injury earlier in the year, and though they probably shouldn't, will give him the "Can you imagine what he'd have done without that?" vote.
- And finally, Albert doesn't use a glove the size of hot-air balloon.
by fuegophil on Aug 29, 2006 9:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
by cardsfan84 on Aug 29, 2006 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but . . .
Howard, like someone already pointed out, is this year's equivalent of Andruw Jones: eye-popping HR and RBI totals. Beltran plays in NY, and it seems that the attention NY players get on ESPN could sway votes. Don't believe me? At the all star break, ESPN was ready to give David Wright the MVP because of his bat, and his defense which one commentator noted "could be the best defensive third baseman in the league."
While there is no question in my mind that Pujols is the MVP, there are lots of people who take Kruk's mentality: the MVP should be the best player on the best team. (which I think is bullshit, by the way) In the NL, that means the best player on the Mets, which would be Beltran.
I could also talk myself into believing the theory that denied a Cardinal the MVP in 2004: they will take each other's votes away. That means Reyes and Wright could take votes away from Beltran, leaving Pujols wide open for the trophy.
What does everyone think?
by Ray Lankford on Aug 29, 2006 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think that Howard is more of a media
by Valatan on Aug 29, 2006 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Excellent points..but?
by Timbo02 on Aug 29, 2006 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given American baseball media,
by sdesserman on Aug 29, 2006 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it
by whopperman on Aug 29, 2006 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols and WPA
- April +3.137 (unbelievably good)
- May +1.717
- June -0.278
- July +2.073
- August +0.283
by Solanus on Aug 29, 2006 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NL Cy Young Race - WPA
- Chris Carpenter +3.65
- Brandon Webb +3.36
- Jason Schmidt +3.25
- Roy Oswalt +3.05
- Trevor Hoffman +2.86
- Billy Wagner +2.85
- John Smoltz +2.80
- Takashi Saito +2.77
- Carlos Zambrano +2.70
- Mike Gonzalez +2.47
by Solanus on Aug 29, 2006 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Any reason why....
by BleacherBum on Aug 29, 2006 10:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Berkman a jerk?
by Brock20 on Aug 29, 2006 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd take him
by Toddius396 on Aug 29, 2006 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Berkman is a class act...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 29, 2006 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert a jerk?
by fuegophil on Aug 29, 2006 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the jerk store called...
I'd love to have Lance Berkman on the Cards. He seems like a good guy stuck on a crappy team.
by matt reeder on Aug 29, 2006 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always thought that it would be funny
by Valatan on Aug 29, 2006 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn is hilarious
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 29, 2006 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a jerk
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 29, 2006 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
- Doing nice things for some people doesn't mean you can't be a jerk to other people, sometimes.
- As long as it's not criminal or morally reprehensible, his off-the-field conduct is completely irrelevant to me.
by blove121 on Aug 29, 2006 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way......
by cards19 on Aug 29, 2006 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who will get called up?
by vince eating tarp on Aug 29, 2006 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
TLR has been weird about this stuff in the past
I think we'll see J-Rod back up on 9/1. Not sure if there are other position players worth having around; maybe Schumaker and Bigbie. Hopefully no one is tempted to call up Bo Hart for old times sake.
As far as pitchers, I think we'll see Thompson and Reyes right away, and perhaps Kinney and Falkenborg relatively soon. I'd love to see Narveson get a real shot at the second LOOGY role down the stretch -- how can he not do better than Johnson?
My understanding is that the ratio of pitchers:position players on the roster as of September 1 has to be replicated for each round of the playoffs, so it will be interesting to see if we carry 12 pitchers as of that date.
by tdawg on Aug 29, 2006 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skip
TLR said Reyes will start in Memphis on Friday and then come up.
I think J-Rod, Thompson, and Kinney will be brought up, probably Schumaker too. But I'm not sure how much else the Redbirds have that could help in St. Louis (since Spivey is hurt).
by whopperman on Aug 29, 2006 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine
by 26thMan on Aug 29, 2006 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Catcher
by cards19 on Aug 29, 2006 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols for MVP
On the statistical front, Albert's WPA and other stats confirm the commonsense judgment. This isn't even a hard choice, unless Albert and the Cards completely tank in September.
by madridbend on Aug 29, 2006 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
howard is having a great season
by lboros on Aug 29, 2006 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howards Potential
I'm not denying that he still has potential, but he is older than what a lot of people think.
by Just Rope Ball on Aug 29, 2006 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorrry,
Albert is 27 on January 16th.
by Just Rope Ball on Aug 29, 2006 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Howard's potential
Deciding whether to trade might take into account that Howard has played only 234 games - Pujols over 900 - and more experience could allow some defensive and baserunning improvement for Howard as it did for Pujols (e. g., I remember Albert seeming very slow on the basepaths at first, more effective and confident later).
by madridbend on Aug 29, 2006 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's gotta be Bert
To me, it's a 2-horse race between El Hombre and Beltran. Both teams will win their respective divisions and both play gold glove calibur defense. Both can run the bases well although one must give the stolen bases by Beltran a little attention.
It's Bert though. Look at his numbers. He's the best hitter in baseball and its his title.
At least we're not in 2005 and people are talking about giving the MVP to Andruw Jones with an average under .250
by Bird Watcher on Aug 29, 2006 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I keep waiting for the announcement...
Now I know how Cubs fans feel watching Neifi Perez hit at the top of the lineup a few hundred times every year...
by guayzimi on Aug 29, 2006 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Phil Rogers ESPN article
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=rogers_phil&id=2563840
by sdelek on Aug 29, 2006 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great article...
by bsutherland on Aug 29, 2006 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he understands
Most of the article was interesting but then he ended with this quote
If they can win a round or two in October, the flopping around of the last three months won't seem terribly important.I don't think he understands that as fans we aren't going to be satisfied with just making the playoffs.
We've done that a number of times in the past 10 years and that's not what we want. We want a WS win and a team that has respectable fundamentals and fun playing the game.
Obviously a losing team isn't going to be having much fun but I'd rather have a team like the Marlins with a bunch of young guys giving it all they've got than a bunch of old haggard vets trying to squeak into the playoffs only to lose in teh first round.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 29, 2006 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
by lboros on Aug 29, 2006 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if by "embarrassed"...
by ArachNerd on Aug 29, 2006 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of minor quibbles
Rogers mentions "an embarrassing sweep at the hands of the Kansas City Royals." Wrong. We lost two of three in K.C.
Maybe I'm the only one, but I no longer associate the St. Louis Cardinals with Aneheuser-Busch. When he says "That's when the handling of the Clydesdale's wagon got a little squirrelly," apparently he does. Or does he not know that A-B sold the team a decade ago?
Check your facts, Phil.
by 26thMan on Aug 29, 2006 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor
Don't stop him - he's on a roll.
by madridbend on Aug 29, 2006 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Jerome Brown's classic rant
by Timbo02 on Aug 29, 2006 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was 2 of 3 at Busch
by whopperman on Aug 29, 2006 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al Reyes?
by Schnake on Aug 29, 2006 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Free agency...
by guayzimi on Aug 29, 2006 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was under contract for this year with
by Schnake on Aug 29, 2006 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a real bummer for him
He was set to get the biggest payday of his career.
I sure do miss that guy. He was fearless.
by meat on Aug 29, 2006 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
by Valatan on Aug 29, 2006 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one more thing.
Steve....The reds pitchers suck too.
by Schnake on Aug 29, 2006 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
correction
Steve is still an idiot. no correction needed there.
by Schnake on Aug 29, 2006 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols
by SchwabbaMoose on Aug 29, 2006 3:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From espn.. Any comments
"Among the contending teams that make sense as possible suitors for Wells would include the Mets, Twins, Diamondbacks, Padres, Dodgers, Phillies, Cardinals, A's and the Reds."
by toris34 on Aug 29, 2006 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
El Gordo
by SchwabbaMoose on Aug 29, 2006 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Steve Phillips is a Robot!
by Big Rev on Aug 29, 2006 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant post lboros...
Hopefully, we can get a week out of him with maybe 11 RBIs, 4 or 5 homeruns and let the trophy engravers get to work early.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 29, 2006 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if only the oblique strain had never happened
by azruavatar on Aug 29, 2006 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
d. wells
by eglasier on Aug 29, 2006 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
meh
Though it would be funny that we would have had signed the two most alcoholic players in MLB for the same season.
by Valatan on Aug 29, 2006 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops
by eglasier on Aug 29, 2006 4:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs




















