at dawn we swept
by lboros on Aug 28, 2006 9:02 AM EDT
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Printif the universe will grant gary bennett all that, then surely it could indulge mark mulder in just one 5-inning, 2-run start?
ok . . . . then maybe just 1 inning of allowing only 2 runs?
i've racked my brain, and i can't think of a cardinal player -- any player -- as terrible as bennett who's ever had a series that good. i can think of terrible players who had single games that good, both during pennant races and in the postseason (tom lawless jumps immediately to mind). but 7 for 10 with 2 dingers, 6 ribbies, and two walkoff hits? can't recall any shlabotnik ever doing that; nobody even close.
set aside the rbis by bennett and jeff weaver this weekend, and the cardinals knocked in just 5 runs over the course of the 3-game set. there but for the grace of the 8 and 9 slots goes another sweep at the hand of the cubs . . . . instead it goes the other way. last time the cards won a few squeakers in a row vs a longtime rival --- the three right before the all-star break down in houston --- they got inspired, went on a two-week tear. may it happen again.
hard luck continues to shadow weaver --- but then, it usually seems as though he's left a trail of crumbs for it to follow. let's not shed too many tears for this guy. it's true that the bullpen and, at times, the gloves have let him down; but the bats have generally been there for him --- he's getting more than 6 runs a game of support. yeah, the bullpen failed to protect leads/wins for him the last two times out, but those leads were products of great offense, not great pitching; they'dve been pretty cheap wins had weaver got them. with every start, he reminds me more and more of matt morris circa late 2005 --- throws strikes, gets ahead of hitters, and appears to have good stuff, but has lost just enough zip that he can no longer get away with a mistake. he's yielded 11 homers in 48.2 innings since joining the cardinals, and ~29 homers in 135 innings this season . . . . but it's reyes who's going to get clobbered by big-league hitters? nl batters are hitting .354 vs weaver this year, a full 100 points higher than what they're hitting vs reyes. after 55 innings, weaver's earned-run average is 5.92; he has lasted 6 innings or more only twice in 9 starts. he's really not much better than marquis, imho. he may look better out there --- better movement on his pitches, a wider array of weapons --- but the results ain't much better. weaver's strikeout rate --- one of the most attractive things about him when the cards picked him up --- has been just 4.4 per 9 innings since the trade. he has recorded more than 3 strikeouts in only 1 of his 9 stl starts. it's difficult to imagine him pitching well vs a good playoff lineup.
but marquis and mulder are so awful that weaver remains one of the 5 best available options. . . . . gotta think walter's still working the phones. (disclaimer: wholly unfounded trade speculation commencing.) one player i'd have him inquire about is ted lilly, who yesterday made his first start since his throwdown v the toronto manager. didn't pitch partic'y well but still got the win. his appeal? he's a veteran left-hander who can put hitters in distress (7.7 k/9 this year, among the american league's top 10) and has some october experience (13 postseason innings, 4.15 era w/ good periphs). against a lineup such as the mets', guy like that could be an asset in a short series. would the blue jays part with him? well, let's see: he's come to blows with the manager; his contract expires in a month; and the team is 9 games back in the loss column in its division. yeah, maybe they'd think about it. he's making $4m this year, so the cards can save the jays about $700K just by taking lilly's salary; if the cards were then willing to offer an A ball player or two with some modest value (say, cory meachem or donnie smith) or one of the lesser double a arms (haberer, pomeranz), maybe toronto would listen. the phillies completed just such a deal for jamie moyer not 10 days ago.
like i said, i'm only thinking wishfully here --- and to be honest, lilly's not without his warts. although traditionally a 2d-half pitcher, he has struggled post-all-star this year, yielding 19 runs in his three most recent outings. so he's not a savior --- but he'd stand a good chance of improving upon the status quo.
but then, so would reyes, who pitched another outstanding game yesterday at memphis -- 7 shutout innings, 4 singles, 1 walk, 8 strikeouts. the team's in no hurry to call him back up; la russa told matt leach yesterday that reyes will take his regular turn for memphis on friday (yawn) and then rejoin the cardinals --- in what capacity, tony said not. bullpen bench-warmer, likeliest. . . . .
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The Reyes thing would bother me less
Lilly would be nice if we could get him for that cheap. With luck we would then DFA one of these decrepit starters that we have.
As far as the series this weekend goes...we've had some bad luck against the cubbies (and some poor fundamentals) if it takes Gary Bennett going all Albert Pujols on their asses, well I'm ok with that. This team could use a nice gritty skin of the teeth win.
Does TLR run the
Good idea lboros
4 days left until to wheel and deal for the playoff run.
lilly
Not to mention that
by stlmapman on Aug 28, 2006 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Weaver's numbers have been wretched...
Super scrubs, Weaver
I can't come up with a regular season parallel, probably because so few of them catch enough of the national spotlight to get our attention. I have memories of Joe DiMaestri playing ten feet over his head for the Yankees in an important September series against the Tigers in 1961, but can find zero factual support from the usual sources. Maybe that was just Strat-o-Matic.
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We're seeing exactly what I thought we'd get in Weaver. The only reason he was around as late as he was last night was because we were playing the Cubs, and they were doing all the wonderful things the Cubs do to lose games. Enc made an error that cost him, but then Juan came back with a couple gems, so did Rolen, so did Wilson. Weaver was often one broken bat bloop away from disaster, and I really don't think that putting yourself and your team in that position is a matter of luck. Sooner or later, it is going to explode, and it has happened sooner rather than later a lot. He may have been gritty, but he wasn't good, and that's pretty much been the story of his Cardinal career.
I'd rather see them run Sosa out there every five days. Sure, Sosa's been a blessed addition to the pen, but if he can make it to the 7th regularly, we might not notice his absence as much as we need his presence now.
I woke up
Catchers
Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but do you think the LaDunc insistance that a 'defensive catcher' adds value worth the loss of offensive production has its roots in Dunc Sr.'s own experience? Like a lifetime .214/.279/.314 line over >900 games in 11 seasons?
Some other questions: Is TLR effectively benching Yadi for poor performance in not playing him v. Chicago (esp Saturday, day game after night)? Or is he hurt? Will Bennett get to play until he cools off?
by brdsnbt on Aug 28, 2006 10:24 AM EDT reply actions
Everyone continues to say
Fo Sho...
by Baily on Aug 28, 2006 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Belliard impressions
I don't know what he'd cost. But I wouldn't be unhappy if he played 2nd next year for a decent price.
How about his arm?
He does have that
I don't care
Yep
by rockin redbird on Aug 28, 2006 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Superscrub?
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 28, 2006 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ooops
by rockin redbird on Aug 28, 2006 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he is making $4 mil this year
If you hold to this "pitch to contact" philosophy, your infield defense ought to be a priority worth spending some $ on. But with the holes in our pitching staff next year, if there's no payroll increase, I don't see how they're going to keep Belliard.
Do I have my facts right? Someone please correct me if I don't - I'd love to be wrong on this.
I vote spend the money
Injury issues
- Thank god we didn't have to listen to MOrgan list night.
- Miller mentioned that Eck may be out for the year. Anything to that?
- Edmonds told the broadcast team that he couldn't play past the 7th in his last game due to blurred vision, etc. He said he is just not seeing the ball. I'm worried THIS could last until the end of the year.
- I have not heard a return date on Yadi. Anyone? Do you think Bennet is handling the pitchers better? Does this make Yadi expendable if we can find a good everyday catcher?
responses
- hear, hear
- last I heard was 3-6 weeks. 6 would pretty much end the season. everything I've heard makes it sound more severe than albert's
- i'm worried more about next year. if you followed matheny's injury, he may be done.
- there's an update in the notes on the homesite today.
It goes on to say that "He's feeling better every day," said head athletic trainer Barry Weinberg. "He'll be examined on Tuesday by Dr. Paletta and we'll see where he stands then. Hopefully he's made enough improvement to start playing again."
Only for point #2...
"I will push the envelope, I can tell you that," Eckstein said. "I will be very antsy and I will do whatever it takes to get back."
Antsy? Eckstein? Gotta be kidding!?! LOL!
yaya
if we dont get someone like lilly, and we make the playoffs, here is my postseason rotation
Carpenter
Suppan
Bullpen Start
Bullpen Start
ha..
id feel more confident in hancock/wainwright going 6-7 combined or even thompson/reyes..do it Tony!
by 2ndprize on Aug 28, 2006 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
Steve Phillips
by stlmapman on Aug 28, 2006 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
THE Steve Phillips
Yeah
And that's a shame really. He is on ESPN after all. And clearly anyone on ESPN should be treated with the utmost kindness (unless they hug you inappropriately).
by dontEATnachos on Aug 28, 2006 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Reyes needs to be in the rotation when he's back
by Pujols4Pres on Aug 28, 2006 10:34 AM EDT reply actions
Babck-to-Back Walk-off Hits
And who does Paquette look like?
by 26thMan on Aug 28, 2006 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Paquette
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 28, 2006 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't stop thinkin' aboot Reyes' Super2
I don't know if you guys have re-visited this in the last few days, as I have been scarce (cooped up in the "lab", working on The Formula). Here was the post that started the discussion:
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/comments/2006/6/11/103812/890/103#103
And Larry's math (in June):
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/story/2006/6/27/172942/598
My admittedly fuzzy math shows 119 days of total ML service time if he's recalled on September 2. Which means he probably won't satisfy the second condition of Super2 status (service time relative to your peers, typically 130-140 days). But 119-28 (28 being last year's total) is 91. That's 5 days over the threshold of 86 days in a season (the first condition).
He has to meet both of these to qualify, yes?
actually, the 86-day
i still think the super 2 thing is not a factor. if they wanted to guarantee he wouldn't become a super 2, all they had to do was leave ponson in the rotation for 1 more start back in june --- then by the time reyes was needed in the rotation, there wouldn't be enough days left on the calendar for him to gain super 2 status.
instead they did the opposite --- they elected to bring reyes up just in time for him to become a super 2. ie, they placed the on-field needs of the 2006 team ahead of the payroll needs of the 2009 team.
given how tight this race is, and the (still) very real possibility they might miss the playoffs . . . . . it wouldn't be consistent w the organization's or the manager's philosophy to "play for next year." if they thought they needed reyes, he'd be on the team.
i just don't think la russa and duncan trust him.
Super 2
After the 2008 season (when he has two full years of service - 2007 and 2008), we assume he'll have met the "at least 86 days of service during the immediately preceding season" [2007]. The question is whether his total days of service prior to those seasons puts him in the top 17% of players with two plus years of service.
That threshhold can fluctuate, but lboros puts it in the 130-140 range generally. What is important is not whether he gets 86+ days this year (because 2006 isn't the year that "immediately precedes" 2008); but whether his total service for 2005-06 puts him in the top of the two plus group as of the end of 2008. A September 2 callup probably won't get him into the top 17% of his peers (as of the end of 2008).
That having been said, it irritates me that we're pitching Hopeless Mulder in a pennant race just to cheat Reyes out of the money he might be worth in 2009.
Belly
Now, to be honest, I didn't really think it through a lot. I knew he was fairly good defensively (by reputation) and that he had quite a few walks & doubles. But I didn't know the full story (pudgy, sloppy look, perceived attitude, etc.).
What I see from him now is a great defensive second baseman, especially from his right and on the double play and, at a minimum, a passable hitter in the 1/2/6/7/8 holes, better at some than others.
When all is said and done, I think he would be a quality addition for the ballclub at $4M per for 3 years. Much more than that and he's probably not worth; much less than that and he needs to get a new agent.
my guess...
Squeeze Play
I guess this may indicate my lack of baseball strategy but I didn't really think it was a squeeze situation. With the bases jacked, do you squeeze? Seems to me you run a high risk of a double play. Also I don't think I like the idea of Al being in a close play at home. I guess b/c it would be a force play he may not get into a collision, but thinking of Eck's injury, I'm just not too excited to see Al barreling down the line on the catcher.
I wouldn't have minded the squeeze
I also remember...
Plus, Howry was missing the strike zone frequently., especially in the Belliard AB. Several were high and hard--bad pitches for a little guy to bunt. Conversely, those pitches should've made it easier to simply hit a medium range fly ball to score Albert. Miles missed two chances (on 2-0 and 2-1).
I thought they'd squeeze, too, but OTOH
General rule of thumb...
The other rule of thumb is that you don't squeeze against someone who can't throw a strike. This is the same as it would be for a hit and run.
Thanks
It has to be a pretty low percentage play. Not only the likelihood of a force out at home, but also the double play at first.
i wouldnt squeez with the
Great point
The force out at home is irrelevant
Unless the ball bounces back to the catcher, there is no way in hell with the runner at third stealing the he will be able to get the force at home, unless of course, it bounces straight up off the plate.
However, if that happens, you're screwed with or without the bases loaded.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2006 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike Benjamin
Let's not forget the play of Enc yesterday..
As a frequent derider
Encarnacion in center
I'd like to see a few more Edmonds-style catches from Encarnacion before I'm convinced about relocating Enc in center.
Then we find a real bat for right field.
Correction:
by allenbrent on Aug 28, 2006 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Bennett
GARY!
Goddammit, Gary, we need you to act!
I won't go any further with the quotes, lest we seriously violate the tenets of the site.
atleast
by Birds on the Matt on Aug 28, 2006 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
From Matt Leach's article...
"...on Tuesday night Mark Mulder (6-6, 6.77 ERA) will make his second start since coming off the disabled list..."
What's the over-under this time for Mulder? I say 3 innings and 5 runs...
Perfect Quote...
Did anyone else catch Haren's line....
by cardsnutincali on Aug 28, 2006 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Over Under for the Game
Sutcliffe
Is that possible? Back when I played baseball, the more pumped up I was, the better I played.
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 28, 2006 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Sutcliffe is a "nice"
Re: Mulder
Duncan vs. Lefties
Given the uproar this place had for TLR not letting Duncan bat vs. Ohman in Wrigley, it should be pointed out that Duncan came up in a similar situation and K'd this time.
I'm not saying Tony was right to do it in Wrigley when Duncan was hotter, but I am saying that TLR-haters should remember this comparison next time you get PO'd when Duncan is taken out.
I understand yer just playing devil's advocate,
Technically k'd, yes
Should'ves get us nowhere
yes, but...
the pitch in the 9th was thrown by a righty, so it started off the plate and kept moving in.
they didn't K-Zone it, but i think it was pretty close. certainly close enough to swing at with two strikes and two outs in the middle of a late inning rally. gotta learn to foul those close ones off... umpiring isn't an exact science. if you can foul it off, you remove the doubt.
I guess
Camera angles, etc, who knows. All I am saying is that you can't judge duncan's ability to hit left hand pitchers based on that pitch.
They did K-Zone Duncan's strikeout
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 28, 2006 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
not only that...
i still think it was a debatable call. fairly strong cases can be made for either side.
Regardless, strike or ball,
by allenbrent on Aug 28, 2006 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
umm...
look, i'm not suggesting that TLR lift Duncan anytime an opposing manager puts in a lefty. all i'm saying is that such a decision can pretty easily be justified if there is another viable option.
the first time TLR lifted Dunc - for Juan - i think there was a pretty compelling argument for the move. Juan is simply a better hitter against left-handed pitchers. there is NO argument against that. it didn't work out then, and it didn't work out later when Gooch was in Dunc's spot and then JED pinch-hit for Gooch.
but it also hasn't worked out in the last 8-10 ABs against lefties that Dunc has failed to reach base. in fact, Dunc is now hitting .186 against lefties this year with a .222 OBP. he is also hitting under .200 w/RISP, under .100 w/RISP and 2-out, etc. in AAA Duncan was hitting .229 against lefties with a .260 OBP. i know these are all small sample sizes, but they all add up to paint a fairly strong picture:
Duncan's chances of success against a left-handed pitcher in these situations are not very good.
that said, last night, with only Gooch or Vizcaino available, and with the probability of extra innings fairly high, it made sense to leave him in. but if Spiezio or Enc were on the bench, i think TLR would have to think very carefully before leaving the kid in.
that's all.
I was kind of upset
by dontEATnachos on Aug 28, 2006 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Duncan will hit lefties
The called third strike wasn't a fool job - he knew exactly where it was but thought it was outside. A more indicative sign that he's unable to hit lefties would be where he's not recognizing the pitches because he has a shorter look at them. In this area I think Duncan has improved a lot.
His average against lefties may not be very high, but the quality of his AB's against them keeps improving. He's seeing the ball, and he's putting it in play (he hit two to the warning track yesterday vs. a lefty, and drove that HR-distance foul off of the specialist in the 8th).
Give him some time, and he'll be a capable every day regular hitter, even against lefties.
i second your opinion
as a result, he got the chance to swing at some fastballs on 2-2. didn't hit any of 'em, but never mind --- he took control of the at-bat away from ohman by refusing to chase the out pitch on 1-2.
i agree w lawman --- a very encouraging at-bat.
Concur
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Aug 28, 2006 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
WPA for Gary Bennett
In games through Wednesday the 23rd, Gary had a WPA value of -64.0 (or using the new system, -0.64). In the four starts since then, he has amassed 103.6 points, basically meaning he's won two out of the last four games all by himself.
His highest single game WPA prior to this latest outburst [ed. - who am I kidding? his only outburst] was a +9.8 back on July 26th. His daily values since then: +15.5, +7.6, +47.8, +32.7.
And if you go back 10 team games, his cumulative total is +106.4. For the entire season, here are the top values for the Cardinals (for pitchers, pitching values only):
- Pujols +191.1
- Bennett +106.4
- Carpenter +105.6
- Rolen +102.4
- Isringhausen + 87.7
- Duncan + 81.9
- Suppan + 79.0
- Looper + 76.2
- Miles + 72.1
- Encarnacion + 67.3
- Marquis + 64.5
- Mulder + 63.6
- Hancock + 56.5
- Edmonds + 56.3
- Eckstein + 55.3
- Spiezio + 53.5
- Reyes + 51.6
- Wainwright + 45.4
- Taguchi + 45.0
- Molina + 38.8
WPA stands for
Fangraphs has a full explanation of the process.
I like the way that it strongly values plays made when the score is close and weakly weights those during a blowout. Prevents guys like Sammy Sosa, who was well known for his pile-on homers and his flacid bat in the clutch, from being seen in the same light as Pujols or David Ortiz. (Say what you will about Ortiz, but he was absolutely money last year.)
Stat that makes me happy
Last night one of the announcers mentioned that Rolen was 2nd in the majors for fewest errors for a 3rd baseman. Now THAT makes me happy. I checked MLB.com and came up with:
Lowell - 5 errors in 122 games
Crede - 9 errors in 124 games
Rolen - 10 errors in 114 games
A Ramirez - 10 errors in 126 games
Mora - 10 errors in 127 games
A Rod of course has 22 errors
not only that...
sutcliffe
by AL on Aug 28, 2006 2:33 PM EDT reply actions
pwilson
Well
His getting on is what allowed Rolen to tie the game with his single+error inside the park homerun.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 28, 2006 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's to hoping
Also, a little note to those who have given up on the Cardinals this year and quit watching them: please continue to do so, because apparently it's working!
Apparently it's working?
by cardsnutincali on Aug 28, 2006 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Question
- Carp
- Wainwright
I would sacrifice bullpen for starting (BP's not gonna do any good if your looking at a 10 run deficit.) Plus it can't be any worse than what we are currently looking at. PIPE DREAM?
I doubt any manager
Justifiably so. Why would you want a rookie pitcher who has not pitched a regular game this season and whose arm is no longer properly conditioned to last 100+ pitches throwing in the postseason? Especially when you've got Carp and Soup with good postseason records and then other more experienced starters (Weaver, Mulder, Reyes) or even more experienced relievers (Sosa).
by dontEATnachos on Aug 28, 2006 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
not only that
Unless UFOs kidnap all the veteran pitchers, I just don't think Tony will ever start another rookie ever again in the postseason. The history on it isn't favorable, and Tony has demonstrated himself to be a history/prior experience guy.
yes
More likely than not though TLR would have Aaron Miles or So Taguchi pitch.
by dontEATnachos on Aug 28, 2006 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Wainwright
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 28, 2006 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Duncan's splits thus far
i agree...
he's had back-to-back starts against lefties, and faced a couple out of the bullpen, and i don't think he's reached base. i know it's only a couple of games, but that seems to be in line with his previous performances: he just isn't very good against lefties.
as "encouraging" as last night's battle with Ohman was - and it was - it still wasn't productive. i'm sure he can get better eventually, but there are going to be some growing pangs.
there's another lefty starting tomorrow, so maybe he'll get another chance.
if edmonds comes back
if edmonds doesn't come back, i'd platoon duncan in left with zpiezio.
duncan's OPS vs left-handed pitchers was .552 this season in triple A. in the big leagues, it's .571. taking both level combined, he's had more than 100 plate appearances vs lefties; still hasn't figured out how to hit them.
it's not irrational to bench him vs southpaws, nor to lift him for a right-handed pinch-hitter . . . . he's already overachieving, i wouldn't push my luck.
and I was pleased to see....
in think Tony...
yeah, I'd like to think
I agree in part...
Historically (and I don't know where to find minor league stats, so this is a limited study) there have been several lefty hitters who struggled in their first year in the bigs vs. lefties only to have successful careers against pitchers of both types. Here are a few examples of lefties using only their lefty splits:
Giambi 1996 - .238/.307/.349 in 126 AB
Giambi Career - .277/.391/.469
Griffey Jr. 1989 - .212/.271/.339 in 118 AB
Griffey Jr. Career - .285/.354/.534
Bonds 1986 - .219/.348/.371 in 151 AB
Bonds 1987 - .228/.303/.456 in 206 AB
Bonds Career - .292/.414/.571
Yastrzemski 1961 - .236/.299/.400 in 140 AB
Yastrzemski Career - .244/.321/.371
Gonzo 1991 - .172/.257/.270 in 122 AB
Gonzo Career - .262/.347/.430
Duncan doesn't compare very well to Edmonds, Ortriz, or Dunn who both hit lefties very well (as compared to their righty splits) from the beginning. However, what seems to be a more frequent pattern with these above-average lefty hitters is that after the first full season of exposure (100-200 AB vs. lefties) they figure it out and go on to have productive careers. In the case of Barry Bonds it took two years for him to get it together, and then he was a monster.
I'm not saying that Duncan is as good as any of these guys. All I'm saying is that he's demonstrated clear improvement in a very short period of time in the big leagues, against righties certainly but demonstrably also against lefties (last night is a case in point).
Call it overachieving if you want - but we don't really know what he's capable of long-term until he's been given a chance to prove it. Duncan deserves a chance to play every day vs. lefty or righty pitching. The team needs him to have that chance to free up money for pitching next year. It appears that TLR is giving him that chance right now, and I'm happy with that. If his performance is hurting the team, however, vs. lefties, this year in a tight pennant race, I could go along with a platoon. But I'd rather not pigeon-hole him as a platoon guy for the long term when we don't even know what we have yet.
Interesting comparisons
As others have said, pinchhitting for Duncan should be assessed against the situation - if you have Enc or Spez available, that's one thing; but using the sadly dwindling So Taguchi is a different and less defensible move.
gotta pick spots
he'll get his chances
And...
Player of the week
by cardsfan2222 on Aug 28, 2006 5:22 PM EDT reply actions
Wonder
just another interesting article ...
I still would love to see the Cards go after this guy, especially now that he's made it clear he will not come back to LA. The Dodgers gave up some good young talent for him, and I'd imagine they would take much less than our best for him right now...but...no way he makes it through waivers to get to us at this point. We need pitching #1 to improve the team, that is a given, but the addition of this guy at SS and the idea of moving Eck over to 2nd...intrigues me to no end. But I'm getting to the point with Belly that I'd love to see him stay as others have mentioned....oh well...just some early hot-stove talk for a Monday....
well...
If Lugo doesn't sign with Dodgers next year
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 28, 2006 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
New Nick for Belliard?
Beer Belly Belliard
by TNFan32 on Aug 28, 2006 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Jabba the Hutt
You nailed it.
Thug Life
And I can imagine him captaining the infield with:
"Ya puka zert." (Adjust the position!)
I found two pennies today!
A little worried about the Marlins...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 28, 2006 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
Hawksworth got lit up a bit tonight
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 28, 2006 11:14 PM EDT reply actions
yes - I am just confused
stupid stupid stupid
Reds / Dodgers...
Pray Penny keeps throwing the smoke...he just threw about 99 mph to get the strike out...
4-1 now
Reyes named PCL
But
Dodgers up 6-1
We'd be up 5 in the loss column if the Reds don't manage yet another comeback.
by stlmapman on Aug 29, 2006 12:52 AM EDT reply actions
You just had to say it.
6-5 and freakin' Tomko is pitching. So far, he's given up a dinger and walked two straight. I can't believe he's still hurting the Cards with his lousy pitching.
Whew! They brought in Broxton, so they still might hang on.
Unfortunately Tomko is having some issues
by BTown Birds fan on Aug 29, 2006 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, so.....
I shudder everytime I think about it.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 29, 2006 1:33 AM EDT reply actions
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