Game 124 postgame piss n moan thread
izzy, izzy, izzy . . . . .
and down at memphis, anthony reyes threw six shutout innings --- 5 singles, 2 walks, 9 strikeouts. go-fo ratio of 2-7.
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I'm over it...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on Aug 22, 2006 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
while you were gone
all i can say is he leads the league in blown saves.....
i still say if we started a team from zero he would be about my tenth choice as a closer
i put the list of the nine i would take before him in the chat
he has no shut down pitch anymore
looper looked way better tonight
sad sad game to lose, wasting 7 rbis by albert
he looked more disappointed than i have ever seen him walking off that field
by benstl on Aug 22, 2006 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the positives
It was nice to see that Albert can turn the switch anytime he needs to, hopefully his recent swell in k's is an aberation.
It was great to see Duncan play great defense in left field. He's giving mgm't more and more reasons to make him an everyday starter, or perhaps less not to. Belliard had a good play to rob Reyes of a hit.
Except for some small spots, the bullpen looked good.
Miles still looking like a suitable temporary replacement for David.
Just take this one as it was: a close one between two pretty good teams full of players that love to compete.
by EckEqualsClutch on Aug 22, 2006 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm really not all that bent out of shape...
If you are looking for someone to blame, blame Oquendo (just for a change of pace ;P) We'd have score 8 runs if he hadn't sent Belliard.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 22, 2006 10:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anybody see Izzy...
Hellllloooooo. The game is over. You just lost it, brah.
Was he lookin' for a souvenir? What the hell was that?
by meat on Aug 22, 2006 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As to the discussion re: the new closer
by Valatan on Aug 22, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That wouldn't be a bad idea...
by guayzimi on Aug 22, 2006 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
for most teams,
by sjoshi on Aug 22, 2006 10:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
see below
by viva el rojo pajaro 42 on Aug 22, 2006 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Closer
by lopey986 on Aug 22, 2006 10:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know you know the numbers
by allenbrent on Aug 22, 2006 10:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He won't
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Aug 22, 2006 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its going to be bad
This could really be the begining of the end.
by DimitroffVodka on Aug 22, 2006 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way dude......
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Aug 22, 2006 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
11 blown saves...
I agree. Sit him, switch his role with Wainwright for awhile. Lidge only had 5 blown saves this year before garner sent his message.
That being said, I'd be sitting him more for the other 10 games than this one. Its not like he gave up a home run to a bad player.
by EckEqualsClutch on Aug 22, 2006 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
by EckEqualsClutch on Aug 22, 2006 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Closer by Committee?
9 blown saves! Are you kidding me? Even Rivera will blow 3, 4 saves but 9! Izzy is the difference between our 1 game lead and a very possible 6-7 game lead if we had an effective and relaible closer.
I am all for the dreaded closer by committee approach at this point.
by pitchout487 on Aug 22, 2006 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That Pitch
by DimitroffVodka on Aug 22, 2006 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looked like it was right down the middle to me.
by jdubya on Aug 22, 2006 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes you wonder...
I agree, I'm all for a closer by committee. Sosa, Wainwright, Looper. Whatever.
by jdubya on Aug 22, 2006 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonight's various game 124 threads
by Glenn Brummer stole home on Aug 22, 2006 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Izzy
by joemoney on Aug 22, 2006 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Was at the Game
Weaver's body language--I watched him really carefully, because I truly was curious. He's a complete schizophrenic. Half the time charging off the mound like "gimme the ball, gimme the ball," the other half all slumped shoulders and trudging off the field. When he broke his bat during his second AB, he turned and tossed it like a spoiled child. He needed to pick Duncan up after the drop of Reyes' pop, and he didn't. After the good will engendered by his last start, this was one he needed to cement that confidence. He blew it. Both HR pitches to Delgado were tee-jobs. Horrid.
I don't think So had a shot at LoDuca's single; I had a pretty good angle on it, and if he dove it ~might~ have been close. But it also might have zipped by him. I'm 80% sure his play on it--pulling up--was the right one.
Albert is a monster. No outfielders budged on either blast. (And I can say I was at the game where he hit 2 taters, drove in seven...and it didn't matter). Scotty looked lost and overmatched by each Mets' pitcher, especially Maine (who lost it spectacularly once my girlfriend looked at this scoreboard picture, and said "he's hot." I thought she successfully jinxed him and them. No such luck).
Flores did a great job through the heart of the order. Looper did great, too. Came in (his reception was violently nasty) and threw strikes.
When Beltran came up in the 9th, the stadium was not as rockin' as I'd imagined it would be. But the moment the ball left the bat, it was like an earthquake, and in the parking lot, it kept going.
Most of the fans I encountered (I wore my Birds on a Bat hat) were cool. On the way up to the subway, there were a couple of doinks taunting an older (at least 70) Cards' fan. Idjits.
Gut check tomorrow. For me, I'm glad I went, but...man, I'd like a do-over...
by glennrwordman on Aug 22, 2006 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the report
i'm sorry your 1st in-person look at the cards ended that way
by lboros on Aug 22, 2006 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great game to see...
I went to a Mets/Cards game last year at Shea. The fans were cool. I got some grief from a couple of teen-agers in front of us but it was good natured.
Not much of a ballpark is it? How many planes flew overhead? I saw quite a few and they were LOUD. Sounded like they were flying right over my head.
by jdubya on Aug 22, 2006 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reyes
Derek Wathan was removed from the game after the bottom of the first inning -- I'm assuming they told him he's got a plane ticket for New York first thing in the morning, because he wasn't obviously hurt.
by whopperman on Aug 22, 2006 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was wondering why Wathan left.
by liam on Aug 22, 2006 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
He hits a few homers, sure, but he's hitting under .220 in one of the best hitter's leagues there is. Doesn't walk nearly enough to offset that either.
Forgot to mention, Reyes was more wild than usual tonight. I think, like jdubya said, Reyes was pissed and was trying to throw too hard.
It was much more convenient to blame my dad for it though, since he pointed out that Reyes has 8 walks before the game. :) (Not that I didn't already know)
by whopperman on Aug 23, 2006 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
Interesting. I was wondering if they would bring someone up from AAA. Wathan, career minor leaguer might be getting his first taste of the bigs.
by jdubya on Aug 22, 2006 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert
Face it everyone. The 2006 Cards are a .500 club. No better. We simply do not have the pitching to win ANYTHING. If we can not hold a 7-1 lead, when the greatest player of all time gives you all 7 runs. Then we DO NOT DESERVE TO WIN ANYTHING.
Yes, they had plenty of chances to add runs in the middle innings. But still, Weaver gives back 4 runs. And IZZY blows another one with a walk off.
What has everyone mad is all the back and forth, up and down bullcrap. They play well for a series, then bend over for the next two. I wish this team had the pitching to win 8-10 games in a row, then keep winning every series in a season like we had in 04 & 05. But we dont. And honestly if our offence can't do anything more than hit into double plays from the sixth inning on, then in all honesty with our pitching, once again, we do no deserve to win anything.
What happened to Rolen? I know he and Albert when back to back over the weekend, But,am I wrong, or has his bat completly vanished since the All Star break?
by gdm426 on Aug 22, 2006 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rolen
Weaver lost this one.
by mikeoat on Aug 23, 2006 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
by deanj on Aug 23, 2006 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I missed everything but the end of Weaver's....
I mean, yes, giving back 4 runs after being spotted 6 isn't good, but I don't think we should throw Weaver under the bus either.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2006 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point...
by deanj on Aug 23, 2006 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I generally agree...but look what happened....
Bottom 5TH B:0 S:0 O:0
Offensive Substitution: Pinch hitter Ricky Ledee replaces John Maine.
Bottom 5TH B:4 S:2 O:0
Ricky Ledee walks.
Bottom 5TH B:3 S:1 O:0
With Jose Reyes batting, passed ball by Yadier Molina, Ricky Ledee to 2nd.
Bottom 5TH B:3 S:1 O:0
Jose Reyes reaches on fielding error by left fielder Chris Duncan.
Bottom 5TH B:0 S:1 O:0
Paul Lo Duca singles on a line drive to right fielder Preston Wilson. Ricky Ledee to 3rd. Jose Reyes to 2nd.
Bottom 5TH B:1 S:2 O:1
Carlos Beltran grounds into a force out, pitcher Jeff Weaver to catcher Yadier Molina. Ricky Ledee out at home. Jose Reyes to 3rd. Paul Lo Duca to 2nd. Carlos Beltran to 1st.
Bottom 5TH B:3 S:1 O:1
Carlos Delgado hits a grand slam (31) to right field. Jose Reyes scores. Paul Lo Duca scores. Carlos Beltran scores.
Bottom 5TH B:2 S:3 O:2
David Wright strikes out swinging.
Bottom 5TH B:2 S:3 O:3
Michael Tucker strikes out swinging. *
Yadi shouldn't have lost that ball, keeping Ledee at 1st. Next batter should be out on the fly out. Lo Duca singles. Runners at 1st and 2nd. Beltran grounds back to the pitcher which was possibly a DP, but probably just 1. So, now 2 outs, runner at 2nd and 3rd.
Delgado probably still hits a HR, take 3 runs there. Maybe he gets walked with the open base and we face Wright (who subsequently struck out).
It was a snowball effect that really I don't know how much was Weaver's fault (as opposed to Izzy's Chicago/Rolen errors problem). Sure, Weaver needs to nut up and get outs.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2006 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's having a great August
by deanj on Aug 23, 2006 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scotty
Also its all on our pitching. If you cant pitch, you cant win. The only way we are above .500 is our first two months were really really good. Ever since then we are something like 10 games under.
I said a couple weeks ago that this team had lost their heart and will and desire to win. And I dont think thats the case. What is the case is we are out gunned big time. Only one good starter. Only two good relivers. And Albert & Scotty & Duncan. Baby Dunc cant keep this up can he? So I am not ready to give up this devision yet. But the Reds do seam to have more ammo right now than we do. And sadly, they just might take this division from us.
by gdm426 on Aug 23, 2006 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he single handedly beat the Reds
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2006 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've noticed
by jdub176 on Aug 22, 2006 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BBTN crew did 'Who you got'
Hitting: Mets
Both said it's not even close
Fielding: Split, Kruk took the Mets with Beltran in CF. Olney said the Cardinals have great defense with Rolen, Pujols, Molina, Eckstein and even Edmonds not being as good as usual.
This one is the kicker:
Kruk: The Cardinals. They have a deeper rotation. Sure, the back end of their bullpen is shaky, but with Carpenter, Mulder, Marquis, Suppan and Weaver, the Cardinals have a better rotation.
At this point, I have to wonder if Olney could control his laughter, but he did:
Olney: I'm going to take the Mets. They've got Glavine and Pedro and their bullpen is stronger. Their pitchers are a whole half run better than the Cardinals and they've got Wagner at the backend of the pen who is clearly stronger.
by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2006 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kruk is hilarious.
by deanj on Aug 23, 2006 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They've got Glavin and Pedro?
by sdrone on Aug 23, 2006 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why I'm not worried
-King Albert is back. Yeah, he's been hitting well lately average wise. But finally we saw his power triggered, and against a pitcher who's been having a strong season.
-Chris Duncan survived not only the NL player of the week honors, but a day off and kept up his strong play with a diving catch, and 2 walks and a double. Only got out once. If he keeps getting on, and Albert keeps up his power, that's big news.
We need to realize that while our pitching isn't improving, it isn't getting worse. Our hitting on the other hand is getting a lot better. Finally they're playing like they're alive. Finally there's some pop in our bat.
Remember - We're playing the best team in the league right now. And we were oh so close to put a stomping on them. Even if we do struggle this series, if our hitting keeps up, we're gonna rack up a lot of wins against the rest of the league. And if we rack up runs, maybe the pitching will gain confidence, and if the pitching gains confidence, maybe, oh just maybe, we'll see some ERAs under 5? Can we dream?
by aet15 on Aug 23, 2006 12:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I blame Belliard
by Mr Redbird on Aug 23, 2006 12:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In case you haven't seen El Hombre's gloves...

by Hardcore Legend on Aug 23, 2006 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good evening fans....
I know there are a lot of reasons for the loss tonight... Weaver giving up two homers to DelGado ,who just owns him...lack of hitting by guys in the middle and bottom of the line-up...and of course Izzy...9th blown save to lead the majors I believe in that catagory.. but I'm just amazed that we could lose a game where Albert has SEVEN RBI's...but not ONE from anyone else..
At the end of the Cards win on Sunday I mentioned that I was happy BUT Izzy AGAIN gave up a run...and someone responded yeah...but better get used to it , he's all we have got.. and you know?...He was right. He is all we have. Wainwright is not going to be a better closer at this point. We are stuck with Izzy and that is that. BUT..
I often wonder why ...when someone like Looper comes in and is pitching pretty well...that strike out to end the 8th was awesome, ...WHY doesn't Tony just let him continue into the 9th and IF he starts to get into trouble?..bring in Izzy then..but he NEVER does. Why can't you have him pitch longer in a game like tonights? ..Why? Would we have won if Looper had stayed out there?...I have no idea...but I can tell you this with all honesty?...when they showed Izzy warming up to come in ...my nephew and I looked at each other and both said at the same time..."He's not going to hold 'em"....and ...well...the rest is history.
by Timbo02 on Aug 23, 2006 1:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What really sucks.....
by TNFan32 on Aug 23, 2006 2:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie Belliard.....
by jillsinmo on Aug 23, 2006 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And one last thing..........
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