Game 123 Open Thread: August 20, 2006
today's pinch-hit blogger is Tim Dierkes, who runs two blogs -- Roto Authority and MLB Trade Rumors -- and contributes to Hardball Times, Rotoworld, and other sites. he also publishes the annual Roto Authority Guide. many thanks to Tim, who is the last of our guest hosts; i fly home today and return to active duty tomorrow.
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When LBoros decided to give me the keys to his blog, I figured I'd write about the offseason and roster-building. It's probably my favorite part of the game (I'm a Cubs fan; we're more about hope than actually winning). Since I'm not a Cardinals supporter, I can take an objective look at the club's construction for 2007. If I had Walt Jocketty's job, here's what I would do to ensure the club's success in next season.
- Pick up Jim Edmonds's option. To me, this is a no-brainer. The choice is to pay Edmonds $3MM to go away or give him $10MM to stay. You really just have to decide if he's worth $7MM for 2007. Well, of course he is. Even entering his age 37 season, with his defense slipping, 130 games of Edmonds is easily worth $7MM. And what's the alternative here? Gary Matthews Jr., Dave Roberts, maybe Kenny Lofton? Those guys might save you a few mil but it's not worth it. The average NL CF has a .752 OPS this year; Edmonds hasn't been that bad since 1994. (For the 2006 season, he's at .837 as of today.) No-brainer.
- Sign David Dellucci to play left field. It's been an incredible 150-odd at-bats for Chris Duncan, but adding Dellucci for $3MM would be very reassuring. You could throw Dellucci out in center field when Edmonds inevitably goes day-to-day. Too many outfielders is a good problem; relying on Duncan seems unwise. And there needs to be less So Taguchi.
- Sign Jason Schmidt. I know, easy for me to say. Schmidt will probably command $13-14MM annually for four or five years. The 2007 Cardinals are a "win now" team, and Chris Carpenter can't do it alone. It's not often a team has two aces, but the Cards have that chance given Carpenter's favorable contract. Walt Jocketty was close to signing A.J. Burnett last winter, so I think he likes the idea of two stud starters rather than Carpenter and some decent guys.
- Anthony Reyes is your #3 starter. I think he can provide 180 innings of 3.70 ball. Maybe not mind-blowing, but that's about what Josh Beckett does. Guarantee the kid a rotation spot, but skip him when possible to keep his innings down. I was surprised to see that Reyes will be 25 in October -- no more fooling around in Triple A. But he needs to be babied somewhat.
- Round out the rotation with cheap guys and/or projects. This is a Duncan/La Russa talent, even if it didn't happen this year. Buy low on Bruce Chen, Jason Johnson, Wade Miller, Mark Redman, John Thomson, Jeff Weaver, or Woody Williams. Mix and match and find a gem. Dave Duncan can see if anything can be done with Jorge Sosa while he's at it.
- Keep Adam Wainwright in the bullpen; don't sign any relievers. We know that good bullpens are not built by spending money, and the Cards already owe Jason Isringhausen and Braden Looper $13MM next year. Groom Wainwright as Izzy's successor. This is how good closers are made, and it's a lot better than signing Bob Wickman. I'm not so sure Wainwright's success would hold up in the rotation. He never really owned Triple A as a starter, and we see what happened with Ryan Madson this year.
- Don't worry about second base. Hector Luna would've been fine, but that ship has sailed. Regardless, it's just second base. Sure, Mark Loretta would be a nice fit. But if the Cards have an extra $4 mil lying around it should go towards starting pitching. Surf the waiver wire and find something that works without spending money at second base.
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Pinch Hit Blogging
Your summation for the off season is right on by my account, and we will look forward to following it when we get there. Many thanks for all of your contributions.
For now there is baseball to be played, and game management to debate. I will post my comments on that separately.
by Birds on the Bat on
Aug 20, 2006 9:28 AM EDT
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A Parallel Post...
Dispite the alarm of reading the guest host was a Cubs fan, Tim offers an on-target, objective assesment. However, I admittedly pine for Mark Loretta in a Cardinal uniform playing 2B. Good job by all the guest hosts. It was enjoyable. Hopefully the founding host was refreshed by the ocean air and drinks with umbrellas in them.
by Baily on
Aug 20, 2006 9:51 AM EDT
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Rookie Magic
It seams to me that the difference maker for many playoff clubs, is the unanticipated over-achievement of one or more rookie additions to the team. Veb posters have debated many times whether or not this can occur for the cards while under the reigns of tlr & dunc. Regardless of one's leaning on that issue, the `06 cards do appear to have a trio of rookies that will have shared the task of getting the club to the playoffs, and could be well prepared to play significant roles once there. The trio is of course: wainright, reyes, and duncan. I don't think we've seen a cards team with this much rookie participation in a long time, and it is very exciting as we root for their success while holding our collective breath because we're not sure if they can routinely perform like they have to date.
Managing the rookies' playing time and appearance situations to gradually increase confidence (of the player, the coaches, and the fans) is an interesting task throughout the season. It should also be noted that how they are introduced has a lot to do with what level of performance the club is playing at and the situation in the standings whether chasing or conserving a lead.
With those things in mind, and in view of the phenomenal august performance of Duncan, and his game performance Yesterday that included single handedly giving the club one more chance with a hr in the 8th; the managing decision in the 9th was nothing short of astonishing. It was predictable that tlr would be crucified for this decision (at least I predicted this, but did not participate in the crucification). A flurry of Veb posters were enjoying the discussions of ROY in the preceding innings. After tying the game in the 8th, to then have the chance to stroke the game winner in the 9th, appeared a fortuitous situation. Sufficient confidence had been inspired at least among these fans that having this rookie thrust in this situation at just that moment was perfect; not just for winning the game, and beating the despised cubbies, but launching dunc's candidature for ROY with a truly heroic total game performance.
Imagining all that, then seeing dunc removed from the game at that moment was the singular most shocking managing decision that I can recall tlr ever making. The shock was then compounded by the choice of players to substitute. Without researching the actual numbers, the replacement may well be leading the team in LOB, GIDP's, and even SO's. Whether or not this game decision was responsible for the outcome of the game is not this issue, nor is one's general regard for the decision maker. The original prospective outcome favorable to the club and the rookie was denied the chance. The turning point that might have been, is instead made into a turning point all together different. Even a successful outcome by the replacement, could never remove the shock of the decision itself. For the club, the fans, and more importantly the player, the specter of doubt instilled by the manager can set aside weeks of brewing confidence.
What was tlr thinking, or even do I care? That decision alone was so astonishing, the rest of the game didn't really matter (to me). I guess in this respect I may be alone, as the game wraps on mlb or espn failed to even notice this event. The home team web page of course would not highlight it, but even the local paper said nothing of it this morning. I am again in shock. I wonder if any ROY has ever been pulled in the 9th with the bases loaded. I wonder just how many game winning hits ROY's typically have, and how many dunc has so far. I wonder if dunc will be looking over his shoulder the next time he gets to bat with the sacks jammed, and what might happen when he does get to hit. I wonder if the same situation of having tied the game in the 8th, and the chance to win it in the 9th will ever reproduce itself, at any time let alone against an archrival.
There; I've vented (and hopefully respectfully). Any help on the ROY questions above are more than welcome.
by Birds on the Bat on
Aug 20, 2006 9:35 AM EDT
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Check out Bernie's column today
by stlmapman on
Aug 20, 2006 12:03 PM EDT
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It just bummed me
I stopped in front of the TV, thinking "ROCK. The kid is coming up!"
Encarnacion came up, I thought "sigh. K or double play" and went to the kitchen and ignored the rest of the game. I knew the outcome.
by sdrone on
Aug 20, 2006 12:36 PM EDT
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You know the other thing that worries me?
What if TLR yanking Duncan is a season changer for Duncan?
Let's hope not.
by sdrone on
Aug 20, 2006 12:40 PM EDT
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I was utterly excited when I thought we had bases
It took the wind right out of my sails.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 20, 2006 1:07 PM EDT
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Off-season
Great post. I think most of the ideas you lay out are very good. Especially the point about Gil Meche vs. Jason Schmidt. I would add to your list (although the Schmidt signing implies it) do not attempt to resign Mark Mulder. Unless he sets the world on fire this last month and can prove that he is healthy, pass. I would like to give Wainwright a chance in the spring to start, but like you I think he will end up in the bullpen.
SD
by sdangler on
Aug 20, 2006 9:54 AM EDT
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If Mulder can be resigned
That being said, I'm sure he'll end up with a more expensive multi-year contract.
by Valatan on
Aug 20, 2006 11:41 AM EDT
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I'm sure that if he pitched well in the playoffs..
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 20, 2006 11:43 AM EDT
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I hope not
by Valatan on
Aug 20, 2006 11:45 AM EDT
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Thanks
But there's gotta be some people out there who would do it differently...
by Tim Dierkes on
Aug 20, 2006 10:18 AM EDT
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heard from a mets fan...
tha worldwide leader has a link also:
by sjoshi on
Aug 20, 2006 10:43 AM EDT
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The Mets are not a juggernaut
by chuckb on
Aug 20, 2006 10:54 AM EDT
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Pedro is ailing too--last start: 6 ER, 1 IP
by Valatan on
Aug 20, 2006 11:44 AM EDT
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If Glavine goes down...
Pedro
Traschal
El Duque
J Maine
Yeah...I think WE even have a better rotation than that.
Cardinals
Carp
Weaver
Mulder
Suppan
Reds
Arroyo
Harrang
Milton
Lohse
Dodgers
Lowe
Penny
Maddux
Hendrickson
The Dodger suddenly look like World Series contenders with that rotation.
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 20, 2006 11:48 AM EDT
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Pedro
by Zubin on
Aug 20, 2006 12:51 PM EDT
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I wouldn't count on it
by Valatan on
Aug 20, 2006 2:18 PM EDT
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Yeah, the NL keeps getting weaker and weaker....
by Hardcore Legend on
Aug 20, 2006 11:38 AM EDT
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Yeah
I completely agree about Edmonds. I don't even see why Walt would consider buying out his cotract for $3 mil. Sure, he's had a rough year, but those numbers are still a lot better than what's out there. Plus, his defense is still among the best in the league, and with Enc and Dunc at his side for now, we need that.
I have to wonder about the whole Dunc/Delucci idea. I love the idea of Delucci, I think he'd be a great addition to the Cardinals, but I also love Duncan. His numbers are very similar to those of Ryan Howard in his rookie season, and look at where he is now. It seems like so often with rookies who have a horrible sophomore season, it's because they came into the league on fire an dwindled off, but in Duncan's case, he game into the league doing well, but progressively got even better, and now, more than two months into his MLB career is when he's getting hot. He just seems like a pretty solid investment to me. Maybe we sign Delucci if he'd be willing to platoon with an aging edmonds?
Just some thoughts - thanks for a great guest post
by aet15 on
Aug 20, 2006 11:49 AM EDT
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Honestly,
Let him play out the year, make your drive for a WS championship, and in the 2007 offseason, trade him off to the east coast for salary prospects--the mets should be peaking around then. Then the rebuilding phase goes a little more quickly, and it's not a financial disaster.
Risky, but it might minimize the amount of time spent in the inevitable and impending dark ages.
by Valatan on
Aug 20, 2006 11:54 AM EDT
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I agree...
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on
Aug 20, 2006 11:59 AM EDT
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The beauty of doing the above
by Valatan on
Aug 20, 2006 12:02 PM EDT
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Plus
by Just Rope Ball on
Aug 20, 2006 12:22 PM EDT
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Yeah, I agree.
by aet15 on
Aug 20, 2006 1:41 PM EDT
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we'd be in better shape for this year
by johnstjc on
Aug 20, 2006 12:14 PM EDT
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Doubtful
by stlmapman on
Aug 20, 2006 12:43 PM EDT
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While I really wanted
Edmonds
Duncan
JRod
Dellucci
and still marginal vs righties with JEnc/So/Wilson
by RedbirdRay on
Aug 20, 2006 2:03 PM EDT
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Interesting perspective on Wainright
If Wainright can do it, sure. I place a lot of value on a good closer.
I wouldn't have asked this a month ago, but could Izzy be traded for something valuable?
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Aug 20, 2006 12:33 PM EDT
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FA/roster moves
Corner OF - Sorry, but I don't see the sense in picking up Delucci, whose career year has come at age 33, has only a handful more of ABs than Duncan -- and doesn't hit LHP any better -- and is no gem defensively (especially a weak arm). The Cardinals have been grooming Schumacher and Rodriguez, and I think that's the right way to go.
2B - Dropping Belliard and picking up Kennedy would save money and give the Cardinals the best defensive 2B since Herr. Actually, 2B has been an annual sore spot for the Cardinals, having not had the same one in back-to-back seasons since Vina. If Derek Wathan isn't a legitimate prospect (and he's doing pretty well at Memphis), then trade for a young one rather than continue to patch that hole. Loretta, of course, would be great -- but the price tag would be very high, even if the Sox let him go (they won't). I wonder if the Cardinals could get Alberto Callaspo from Arizona or Dustin Pedroia from the Sox.
P - I believe Wainwright could be turned into a closer, and as soon as next year -- if Izzy keeps sliding. Looper and Flores are solid set-up guys, but middle relief is a problem. I'm thinking that's where Sosa would best fit, or that Kinney may be ready for that role next season. If Buehrle gets locked up, then I'd go for Schmidt. For the 3-5 spots, Weaver and Reyes may be good enough -- then add in a FA (Johnson, Armas, Chen, Ohka and Eaton are the ones I'd target).
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Aug 20, 2006 12:48 PM EDT
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FA/ Roster moves
- The options with JEd are to (a) pay him $3M to walk or (b) pay him $10M to stay. The $3M is a sunk cost so the marginal cost of JEd is $7M. You won't get Hunter or Cameron for that.
- Delucci is insurance. The logic is that if CDunc cools off (as he likely will) Delucci will offer some degree of steady production
- Last I checked Kennedy's OPS is about the same as Mile's or Eckstein's. Personally I'd save some cash.
by Zubin on
Aug 20, 2006 1:00 PM EDT
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I guess I need to clarify
- I think Cameron will go for about $7 mil, but even if it's marginally more you pay it for a player who has several more productive years left. Hunter, as I noted, would be substantially more. The idea is to build a contending team, and hopefully one which can be that for several years.
- Why sign Delucci as insurance when you have guys in the minors who could be every bit as good than a a 33-year-old whose FA price is going to be substantially higher? That's a more expensive policy than necessary. And you didn't want to spend extra for an everyday CF? You skimp on corner OFs, not CF.
- My priority, as I mentioned, would be to find an up-and-coming 2B instead of looking around for a FA or making a trade every year. Loretta would be nice, but the Cardinals aren't going to get him. Kennedy's OPS is only near Miles' this season, when he was injured early; career-wise it's .727, which is higher than Miles' has ever been (and you get more speed, too). Defensively, there's no comparison, and I think the Cardinals would be substantially improved with more range at 2B -- especially for a team without power pitchers and has only had one LHP in the rotation over the past three years. When did middle infield defense become irrelevent? Could it be that the rise in the Cardinals' team ERA this year from last be partly attributable to the change at 2B between Grudzielanek, who had an outstanding season defensively in '05, and the Luna-Miles-Belliard triumvirate? It also may not be coincidental that the Eckstein-Kennedy keystone was good enough for the Angels to win a World Series.
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Aug 20, 2006 6:22 PM EDT
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Wathan
Schumaker is ok, but he's a 5th outfielder. Rodriguez is similar.
Edmonds, as has been mentioned, really only costs $7MM to keep...that's worth it, IMO.
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Aug 20, 2006 11:52 PM EDT
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I think
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Aug 20, 2006 12:50 PM EDT
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GRRRR I HATE YOU
- Schmidt is really the key to this all for me. He is the one guy that can convince me this ownership cares about this Team.
- LaRussa just said today that Wainwright is still projected to be in the Rotation next year. I think he has enough pitchs to become a major league #3.
- I think you guys are under valuing Delluchi big time. He is having a carreer year so far. WIth Abreu gone he is getting more time this year. This is his line this year .328/.400/.624/1.024
- We need a guy that can bat against lefties to protect our OF weakness with two lefties. Just a bench guy, Taguchi HAS to go.
- Sign a decent backup catcher that can't play D but can hit the ball better. I would be even happy if we traded Molina in a package for whatever. This guy just can't hit and his defense does not cover it.
- We need a bench guy that can play Short stop and 2b. As bad as this sounds I am really like forward to the 2009/2010 seasons. Our lower level A squad is just simply packed with studs.
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Aug 20, 2006 12:51 PM EDT
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2 years 14 million is not going to get Edmonds...
There is no way we get Schmidt next year unless he has some aversion to the American League East. The Yankees/Red Sox/ Orioles will open up the vault for him and Zito. I believe we SHOULD try to overpay for him, but that doesn't mean we can meet any price...
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Aug 20, 2006 1:17 PM EDT
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In General I agree with TD
As far as 2nd base goes, I'd still like to see if Tagucci can play there. No one would complain about his ~700 ops there. More to the point, the Guch really needs to be a backup OF/IF if he wants to be valuable to this team. And I think any money spent for a FA SS (and moving Eck to 2nd) would be well spent.
by Zubin on
Aug 20, 2006 1:12 PM EDT
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hey hey
by sjoshi on
Aug 20, 2006 1:21 PM EDT
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mlbtraderumors
by birdland on
Aug 20, 2006 1:38 PM EDT
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Quick Comment
by aet15 on
Aug 20, 2006 1:46 PM EDT
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Next Year
Carpenter
??????
Wainwright
Radke??
Suppan
TLR, loves Soup, he will be back. Wainwright will be in the rotation via Cardinals management. I agree on Schmidty. I want him badly. If we get him in the offseason, next year could be absolutely the most exciting I have seen in a long time.
I like this around the horn
C - Yadier Molina
1B - King Albert
2B - Belliard (waits for the shots on this one)
3B - Scotty
SS - Eckstein
LF - Duncan
CF - Edmonds
RF - Juan
4th OF - David Dellucci
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Aug 20, 2006 2:01 PM EDT
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Rotation Filler
Assuming his knee is healthy, of course.
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Aug 20, 2006 3:30 PM EDT
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Wainwright as closer
That said, we have Izzy for at least one more year (barring a trade or injury), so the Wainwright-as-closer idea is moot.
I'd like to think that Chris Perez, drafted this spring out of Tha U, is on the relatively fast track and could set up in 2008 (if Izzy's option is picked up) then take over full time in 2009.
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Aug 20, 2006 1:55 PM EDT
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Wainwright
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Aug 20, 2006 2:06 PM EDT
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Well put
We agree that he is much more valuable as a starter than as closer. It would have been nice to see a start or 32 out of him this season.
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Aug 20, 2006 2:38 PM EDT
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after "cheap kid as closer" add
For once, I'd like to see the Cardinals among the leaders of an emerging trend (college closers fast-tracked to the bigs) instead of straggling on the back end.
I know nothing about the Perez boy, but with the early successes of Street and Cordero, a fella can hope.
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Aug 20, 2006 2:42 PM EDT
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Guillen Responds to Cheating Comments
By Mark Gonzales
Tribune staff reporter
Published August 20, 2006
MINNEAPOLIS -- Manager Ozzie Guillen fired back Saturday night at several targets, from those who have accused the White Sox of cheating to his own pitchers.
Guillen responded to suspicions raised by St. Louis pitching coach Dave Duncan, Detroit manager Jim Leyland and Boston owner John Henry that the White Sox had stolen signs.
"If we played National League teams, the Central Division, we might win 150 games," Guillen said.
"They think I cheat? We faced two good pitchers in the [NL]. Our division, they have to go through [Justin] Verlander, [Nate] Robertson, [Jeremy] Bonderman, [Kenny] Rogers, then you go to the White Sox and face all our guys?
"The American League Central? That's baseball right here. Go hard one after another."
Guillen said Cardinals left-hander Mark Mulder "wouldn't even make our team. He couldn't start for us, and he's not better than [Neal] Cotts or [Matt] Thornton in our bullpen.
"I hope [the suspicions] keep happening. What happened in the playoffs and World Series? We won so many one-run games, more than anyone in baseball.
"If we're cheating, how come we don't help Brian Anderson or [Juan] Uribe? If we're going to cheat, we're not just going to cheat for a few guys. We're cheating on the mound? Our pitching staff gets beat up once in a while."
As for Henry, who wondered in the Boston Globe whether the Sox were stealing signs in a game against the Yankees, "he doesn't even know what a field looks like," Guillen said.
Guillen also blamed his own pitchers for not preventing most of the 91 stolen bases against the Sox this season, including three in Friday night's loss to Minnesota.
"We really stink at holding baserunners," Guillen said. "Stink. The worst I've ever seen, and I'm not going to blame it on my catchers. I think some people just go out and forget they have people on base. They don't give A.J. [Pierzynski] an opportunity.
"I told them I'm not going to call a pitchout because I'm not a genius. That's not our run there, that's your run. Take care of that. We've got to be better than that. That's a free pass for people to score runs."
Guillen also took a mild shot at Freddy Garcia, who has been critical of his lack of run support.
"Well, when you give up five runs, it's a funny thing," Guillen said. "Players can say whatever they want to say because it's their right, but we gave the lead to Freddy a couple of times, and they tied the games a couple of times.
"Sometimes people should blame themselves when things happen."
Copyright © 2006, Chicago Tribune
by sgfcards on
Aug 20, 2006 2:11 PM EDT
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Grrr
by aet15 on
Aug 20, 2006 2:18 PM EDT
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Since when
If a team is gaffling signs, then the other team isn't doing a very good job of disguising them.
If you are gifted an advantage, you take it. Is it considered cheating to take advantage of a tipped pitch?
Regarding the Southside O.G.'s comments re the NL Central and Mark Mulder, he's dead right.
by 26thMan on
Aug 20, 2006 2:46 PM EDT
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We'll I was crying for Schmidt before the deadline
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Aug 20, 2006 2:23 PM EDT
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Good god
by sdrone on
Aug 20, 2006 2:26 PM EDT
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hee hee hee
by Elle on
Aug 20, 2006 2:27 PM EDT
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3 games
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Aug 20, 2006 2:28 PM EDT
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it seems like
by Elle on
Aug 20, 2006 2:31 PM EDT
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Oh no
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Aug 20, 2006 2:31 PM EDT
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He wasn't limping
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Aug 20, 2006 2:33 PM EDT
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I was trying to refrain from making that reference
by Elle on
Aug 20, 2006 2:53 PM EDT
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Juan..
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on
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juanny
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Aug 20, 2006 2:32 PM EDT
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duncan
and how about Juan? nice
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Pour it on Today!!!!
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Aug 20, 2006 2:33 PM EDT
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when juan homered
- is Duncan a dead-pull hitter? I don't recall ever seeing him HR to left, but I could be wrong.
- Is it just me or does Duncan not seem like a typical 2-hitter? He seems like a 3/4/5 hole hitter....maybe #2 is the best spot for him in this lineup, and maybe hitting in front of God Himself is the reason he's seeing so much to hit.
by nota bene on
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yesterday
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Aug 20, 2006 2:38 PM EDT
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Not dead pull..
by Ankiels Missing Curveball on
Aug 20, 2006 2:39 PM EDT
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well...
- no, Dunc hits the ball to left and left-center. he hits more line drives to left... gappers and some slash hits. he's got a few homers to left-center, but i'm not sure he's got any to straight left.
- Dunc has hit well in the 6-hole and 7-hole this year as well. he's just on a tear. and i think he is a good 2-hitter: high OBP with power.
by kindred on
Aug 20, 2006 2:39 PM EDT
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thx for answers
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Aug 20, 2006 2:46 PM EDT
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Juan looked...
by kindred on
Aug 20, 2006 2:37 PM EDT
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no kidding he did
by Elle on
Aug 20, 2006 2:57 PM EDT
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Belly
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Aug 20, 2006 2:38 PM EDT
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Dear Mr. LaRussa,...
An adoring fan of yours!
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Aug 20, 2006 2:40 PM EDT
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In all fairness...
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Aug 20, 2006 2:41 PM EDT
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Personally
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Aug 20, 2006 2:44 PM EDT
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ol' Abner's done it again!
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Aug 20, 2006 2:45 PM EDT
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Now THAT is FUNNY!!!
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Aug 20, 2006 2:44 PM EDT
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To Tim, our guest host
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Moyer to Phillies
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You Mean...
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Um
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Well
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Well
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Wouldn't it be splendid...
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why is it not likely?
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Aug 20, 2006 2:50 PM EDT
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I know
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Aug 20, 2006 2:56 PM EDT
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I think some players....
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Aug 20, 2006 2:59 PM EDT
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Look at
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Aug 20, 2006 3:16 PM EDT
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Bob Brenley on MLB TV said
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Aug 20, 2006 2:48 PM EDT
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what the darn?
I stand corrected.
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Shannon just called that Ramirez fly-out
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Off the bat...
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Aug 20, 2006 2:57 PM EDT
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gee golly gosh
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Gameday on Yahoo...
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I'm at Yahoo Sports Gamechannel,
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Aug 20, 2006 3:04 PM EDT
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ESPN Gamecast is pretty close to real time
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Aug 20, 2006 3:12 PM EDT
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GameDay, GameCast, GameChannel...
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Aug 20, 2006 3:17 PM EDT
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gamechannel's working fine for me too
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Aug 20, 2006 3:13 PM EDT
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no way!!
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Cedeno never had that
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carpenter is cruising
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and naturally miles GIDPs
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Way to go Carp
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Aaron Miles...
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That's a little harsh...
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Aug 20, 2006 3:23 PM EDT
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Way to go Miles
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Aug 20, 2006 3:16 PM EDT
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oh yeah wtg Miles
(end sarcasm)
geez what is it with some of you people. Not everyone is Albert Pujols.
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Aug 20, 2006 3:21 PM EDT
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I miss Edmonds...
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oh boy...
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That was easily the worst
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It seems like the Birds are due
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That's OK though
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Aug 20, 2006 3:27 PM EDT
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lost it in the sun
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Yeah
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Not to be on Tony again...
Why didn't Miles bunt him over?
It would create 1 out, runner at 2nd with Duncan, Pujols and Rolen availible to drive that run or any other runs in.
Frustrating that he can't make a simple baseball move like that, but micromanages other situations.
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From watching carp
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Aug 20, 2006 3:31 PM EDT
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good question
Agreed that TLR's off-again/on-again micromanagement drives me nuts sometimes....
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Aug 20, 2006 3:33 PM EDT
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Yeah, but on a solid bunt...
I dunno, seemed like a no brainer to me.
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Aug 20, 2006 3:35 PM EDT
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nice play Scotty...
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thank you
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There was the DP we needed
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Carp
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LOL screw u all
LOL
who the fuck are u to tell me that you're a better fan than i am.... thinkin u allll that..
half of u are jokes... oooo i like 'intelligent' topics.... LOL... what tony did to duncan yesterday WAS uncalled for u bitches!!!!!
keep BANNING me....
I'll be baaaack....
sorry for the other half of the 'real' cardinal fans here... just that the other half are stuck up as a mother fucker trying to act like baseball is matter of life or death....
i'll come crusin around here and there (on different names since all my others ones keep gettin banned.... LOL) to leave my 'ranting' u fucks....
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Aug 20, 2006 3:31 PM EDT
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Grow up.
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Aug 20, 2006 3:33 PM EDT
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Where did the Pittsburgh
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No kidding...
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Aug 20, 2006 3:35 PM EDT
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Apparently Mateo has turned in Cy Young...
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wow
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Juan got robbed....
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I'm perplexed.
I've been able to see two TV games in a row here, and he doesn't look as good as usual.
Is there something I'm missing.
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Aug 20, 2006 3:37 PM EDT
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He's human...
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Aug 20, 2006 3:41 PM EDT
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Were Duncan or Enc's homers bombs or what?
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I was surprised
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Aug 20, 2006 3:39 PM EDT
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Yes and No
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Aug 20, 2006 3:39 PM EDT
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Nice. I wonder if he has a shot at ROY
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The NL is a tough ROY to call
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re: cubhater
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people like are me???
at least i aint fake...
sorry for my pottymouth everyone :)
lets go carp!!!!!!!!
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Aug 20, 2006 4:03 PM EDT
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When you consider the wind is
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2 HR;s brought back that inning
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Cardinals just hit two Wrigley Specials...
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Technically
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Actually, it would be 6-1
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And the wind just saved
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Carp needs to K the side here to help fullfill
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Does Juan Pierre...
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He now has 4 triples against the Cards
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don't know why
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do the cubs...
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You forgot this is Carp
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Carp's ERA back up over 3...
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nice post Tim D
I'm all for Schmidt and then some. That's exactly what we need is a dominant starter, and this team is dead last w/K's so a rotation with Carp, Reyes and Schmidt would turn that around.
Feel ya on the 5th starter situation. I think Weaver could be back for cheap, maybe a 1 year deal. Like the Dellucci idea, though it's gonna be harder for the Cards to see the need the way Dunc is hitting, though he is probably way over his head right now.
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Here it comes...
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I love Scott Rolen
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We need insurance runs now...
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Oh Man
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how many pitches is Mateo up to?
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Do you think Carp will bat for himself here?
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alright...
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Sorry guys
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Miles will homer here.
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There's the Cubs...
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or he'll reach on an E4
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Sorry to report bad news
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Does anyone
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My thoughts on 07
- No Schmidt - I live is SF and think the future schmidt is the 05 vs. 06 version. He is pitching well but is losing velo (not the kind of pitcher I am paying big money for:
- I agree with Timber - Sign Lugo and move Eck to second (unless we can find another SS or a 2B with a Bat
- Resign Edmonds at 3Y 20M. Decent money for a 37 YO or 2Y 17M if that is his preference
- Extend Carpenter an extra YR at $14M or so (i.e. recognize that we are underpaying him so when we overpay for another starter he gets his due)
- Package Reyes or Wainright with Duncan and any Double A or lower prospect (except Hawksworth) for Dontrelle in the offseason. We have to give up alot to get Dontrelle...
- Start promoting our minor league relievers (i.e. we have Perez, Sillman, Worrell, Cavazos, AA Setup man excapes me, lets get this group to triple A and pitch relief games if he have to find someone with ML stuff) AND sign/trade for a top tier setup man
- Try to pry away a Devil Rays outfielder (if we can give up a package of 3-4 starter ceiling prospects or low minors prospects)
-K
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You want to give up a potential....
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Understand but don't agree
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Go look at Willis' pitch count the last 3 yrs...
Either he has a rubber arm or it's going to give out soon. Look at Carp. He threw a lot of pitches and then had shoulder problems.
I would rather have 3 good, young & CHEAP players in Reyes, Wainwright and Duncan.
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Aug 20, 2006 4:11 PM EDT
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it's the Ricky Williams conundrum
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Eck
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Yep
To further point out my ingnorance I will never complain about Aaron Miles again. I read the article in ESPN the magazine about his taking on his captor in FLA (when M. Ensberg was take hostage, etc.) and will never be able to be pissed at him again.
-K
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I vaguely remember that . . .
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Link
The player in the other room was Aaron Miles, who'd been out eating dinner with his father and returned to the adjoining room to find the armed headbussas (using the preferred term from the Evening Whirl). He called the cops and wrestled one of the thieves to the ground.
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Miles Story
- Ensberg and Several Other Astros Minor Leaguers held at gunpoint (not simple robbery seemed worse)
- One of the bad guys rounds up Miles in the next room.
- Cops show up and Miles (son of a heavyweight professional boxer believe it or not) bites his captor and struggles for the gune. The captor bites Miles, they struggle outside and the cops shoot the captor five times with Miles on top of him
- Miles comes screaming back to Ensberg and his friends with pieces of the other guys face on him
- Miles is out playing the next day (gritty signle A infielder at the time)
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Aug 20, 2006 4:29 PM EDT
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I thought the same thing
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Aug 20, 2006 4:19 PM EDT
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Our offense shut down...
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Redlegs defeat the Pirates...
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By God, Chris Duncan is playing a nice LF
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mateo out
PS we may need an overflow thread....
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It's Aardvark time
Anyone else notice his goofy Gameday photo?
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Albert...
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You're right.
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He's struggled on the road...
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I sit here with a stunned look
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I dont understand why KTRS puts these clowns
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Please give us a complete game Carp!!!
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I dunno....
Bet he sends Izzy out there in the 9th.
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Barrett...
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AP does deserve a gold glove
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Carp!
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Aug 20, 2006 4:21 PM EDT
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114 pitches ties Carps...
I would be SHOCKED to see him back out there, though I'd love it.
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Yes!!!
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Great inning
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At least let him throw to the 1st batter.
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Yadi chooses NOW to get a hit...
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Carp out...
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Nothinig scares me more....
2) Izzy in the 9th with less than a 3 run lead...
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Well dammit
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How many pitches did Izzy throw yesterday?
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izzy?
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another double for Yadi
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Yadi
PrOPS, developed by THT writer JC Bradbury and which is a formula for predicting what a player's OPS is likely to be in the future based on his batted balls, strikeouts, home runs and walks.
Anyway, according to PrOPS Yadi should have a .288 average and a .740 OPS. I think the outcry against Yadier's offense would be silenced a bit if he ever hit that well.
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PrOPS
I know his OPS vs. PrOPS gap was huge last year as well.
In the last month or so I haven't seen Yadi showing up on the THT stats list. You should post a diary with the stats or links.
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Aug 20, 2006 7:19 PM EDT
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Come on you Speziatics!!!!
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I would love for Duncan to get another chance to
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I want Duncan to get a shot
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Oh well..
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YES SPEZIATICS!!!
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maybe...
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HA...
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that last run
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Yes...Im aware of that...
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Aug 20, 2006 4:32 PM EDT
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speezo comes through
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I'm still betting Izzy gonna
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I hate you Izzy
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haha
take your ranting elsewhere......
.... on a brighter note for all you all.....
i leave to go back to school tomorrow so i doubt all you fake ass people wont get to see much of me as much as u all love me...
but dont worry.. i'll come back around to cause a fuss every now and then....
LOL
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Aug 20, 2006 4:36 PM EDT
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Back to school no doubt...
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wish u wouldnt put your childhood
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Aug 21, 2006 12:47 AM EDT
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
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At least he didn't walk...
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all right
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since my Game CHANNEL...
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the game is on WGN if ur not in the area...
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